Friday Protest Open Thread
December 5, 2014 8:11 AM - Cobble B. Hiller

323 comments
December 5, 2014 8:14 AM - Deleted
I'm gonna do some work for the rhombus: So when Chris Christie causes a traffic jam it's a crime but when protestors do the same it's power to the people? Liberal hypocrisy at it's finest.

Gm.
#1
December 5, 2014 8:19 AM - rf
Extremely false analogy.
Edited at December 5, 2014 8:19 AM
#2
December 5, 2014 8:21 AM - dibs
Weak sauce, randi. I hope that's not your best for today otherwise no sense even going to work.

Go over to the Saraghina coffee bar and get an espresso. Have you had their cappuccino yet? It's the best
Edited at December 5, 2014 8:21 AM
#3
December 5, 2014 8:25 AM - Deleted
Lol that is actually how I feel. I don't see how blocking traffic indiscriminately does much for a cause. The bk bridge was a planned thing and they closed it down to traffic. People deciding to block the west side highway or canal or Flatbush just seems stupid to me.
#4
December 5, 2014 8:27 AM - dibs
Also, you are not ideologically, mentally and certtyain not mathematically able to think like the rhombus so don't even bother trying.

Capisci
#5
December 5, 2014 8:28 AM - Deleted
Plus most everyone I know who was out there last night has no stake in the cause, they're just Doing it for the thrill of it. Like going to a concert or something. But when the protests die down not a single one of them will be doing shit to enact real change. Many I am speaking of don't even vote.
Edited at December 5, 2014 8:28 AM
#6
December 5, 2014 8:30 AM - Deleted
Haha old man randi coming out in full force this morning. Brandi woke up waaaay to early so I'm not in a great mood.
Edited at December 5, 2014 8:30 AM
#7
December 5, 2014 8:31 AM - rf
Not the people I know who were out there.
Edited at December 5, 2014 8:31 AM
#8
December 5, 2014 8:31 AM - dibs
I have to drive down to Warrington to the Lowe's to get a heat gun and a respirator mask.



#9
December 5, 2014 8:33 AM - Deleted
also the knicks lost another heartbreaker last night, and now have the worst start to a season in franchise history. 4 wins 16 losses. m4L- still think we make 1st round???? LOL what a joke.
#10
December 5, 2014 8:33 AM - Deleted
RF is being quietly sanctimonious this morning. must not engage.
#11
December 5, 2014 8:35 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
We all have a stake in the cause, whether you go to the protests or not. Go have a cup of tea and get your head on straight, randi.

GM
Edited at December 5, 2014 8:35 AM
#12
December 5, 2014 8:36 AM - Deleted
I think this opinion piece in National Review is spot on regarding the Garner case:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/394020/unnecessary-death-eric-garner-editors

The only thing I would add to it is that the supervising sargeant of his arrest (not shown in the video) was a black woman, and did not at any time direct the officers to change course. There are serious issues in this case, but race was not one of them.
#13
December 5, 2014 8:39 AM - dibs
LOL…the dangers of gluten-free..

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2015/01/will-a-gluten-free-diet-really-make-you-healthier/index.htm
Edited at December 5, 2014 8:39 AM
#14
December 5, 2014 8:40 AM - Deleted
fine cobble- not great wording on my part. i meant they are going to protest last night because its fun, post a bunch of pics to instagram, and then sit on their hands and do nothing else about it.
#15
December 5, 2014 8:40 AM - dibs
HB King Bhumibol Adulyadej
Edited at December 5, 2014 8:40 AM
#16
December 5, 2014 8:40 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
Not engaging with cranky sanctimonious randi.
Edited at December 5, 2014 8:40 AM
#17
December 5, 2014 8:41 AM - rf
All of the other officers and EMS workers were given immunity in exchange for their testimony to the grand jury.
Edited at December 5, 2014 8:41 AM
#18
December 5, 2014 8:41 AM - dibs
This is NYC. They can't let the highways and roads be disrupted to any extent. One day of protesting and the roads will be re-opened I am sure
#19
December 5, 2014 8:43 AM - Deleted
i wonder if DH was out there "shutting it down" last night.
#20
December 5, 2014 8:46 AM - dibs
Big story on CBS now about the 4+ lb white truffle. It now weighs only 3.89 lbs as it loses moisture.
Edited at December 5, 2014 8:46 AM
#21
December 5, 2014 8:48 AM - dibs
Fingers crossed the B will be finished today. He called yesterday and said it would. Said the paint was an absolutely perfect match.
#22
December 5, 2014 8:49 AM - dibs
White truffle and B discussion. What could be more arrogant and condescending??????
Edited at December 5, 2014 8:49 AM
#23
December 5, 2014 8:50 AM - Deleted
who cares about your stupid bentley.
Edited at December 5, 2014 8:50 AM
#24
December 5, 2014 8:51 AM - dibs
An inanimate object cannot be stupid you fucking moron.
#25
December 5, 2014 8:52 AM - petebklyn
how could you be so mean calling his bentley stupid.
#26
December 5, 2014 8:53 AM - Deleted
pete were you out protesting? was anyone that posts here out protesting? what?
#27
December 5, 2014 8:57 AM - petebklyn
no I wasn't. I was not aware of last nights....only saw wednesday evening protests near TimesSquare
#28
December 5, 2014 8:59 AM - DeadCatBounce
"All of the other officers and EMS workers were given immunity in exchange for their testimony to the grand jury."
Is that supposed to be a good thing or a bad thing, rf?

I am confused about the protests.
Serious question: Are the protestors angry about the Grand Jury decision?
If so, what is the specific complaint?

Or is the protest just against police and the Grand Jury decision just was a catalyst?

#29
December 5, 2014 9:01 AM - MontroseMorris
Benson, that article is about 90% crap. It's classic blaming the victim mentality. He did not resist arrest, his being obese is an excuse, and last I heard, selling loosies is pretty far down there on the horrific crime list. The officers could have just offered a warning, and moved on. To say that choosing to take him down as if he was a violent criminal was not racial is simply being blind to reality. I don't care if some sergeant out of the picture was black. Another example of using race to try to excuse inexcusable behavior. The presence of some black officer in the background then makes what they did alright?
Edited at December 5, 2014 9:03 AM
#30
December 5, 2014 9:03 AM - DeadCatBounce
The question to rf above was more about her Googling.
I often feel like rf is trying to prove something, but I am never quite sure what.
Edited at December 5, 2014 9:02 AM
#31
December 5, 2014 9:03 AM - MontroseMorris
Serious question: Are the protestors angry about the Grand Jury decision?
If so, what is the specific complaint?

You really have to ask that question? Where have you been in the last year?
#32
December 5, 2014 9:03 AM - dibs
Generally, yes, MM BUT, he was a multiple offender and the local (minority) residents had asked the police to stop him from doing this outside their establishments

We will apparently not know what the grand jury was charged with and how the evidence was or was not presented so maybe we will never know. I can't say that the makeup being largely SI whites had nothing to do with the decision though.


#33
December 5, 2014 9:04 AM - dibs
Labor Force Participation Rate is 62.8%.


Helluva job, Obama
Edited at December 5, 2014 9:04 AM
#34
December 5, 2014 9:05 AM - DeadCatBounce
Explain to stupid old me, MM.
Was the Grand Jury in this case racist?
Did the DA present too much or too little evidence?
Are Grand Juries inherently unfair and should be abolished?
Edited at December 5, 2014 9:05 AM
#35
December 5, 2014 9:08 AM - DeLepp
I had lovely dinner at La Vara last night. I wonder how many people out protesting bothered to vote in the mayoral election or last month's mid-terms. But lets all protest and party.
Edited at December 5, 2014 9:08 AM
#36
December 5, 2014 9:08 AM - rf
DCB, I did not google.
#37
December 5, 2014 9:10 AM - MontroseMorris
So, again, they could have asked him to move on, told him they were watching, and if he stuck around, he'd get arrested. THEY ramped up the situation. "Multiple offender?" For selling loosies? Big deal. Every single day of the week, cops see people doing things a lot worse than selling loosies, and they don't intervene, for reasons good and bad. What made him perp of the week? And yeah, if it hadn't been Staten Island, the result may have been different.
Edited at December 5, 2014 9:10 AM
#38
December 5, 2014 9:11 AM - dibs
Loved La Vara. Looks like they have expanded their menu.
#39
December 5, 2014 9:12 AM - dibs
Sounds really good….

POLLO ASADO: half Murray's chicken, roasted over spiced onions, coriander, cumin • 18
#40
December 5, 2014 9:13 AM - Deleted
"Another example of using race to try to excuse inexcusable behavior. The presence of some black officer in the background then makes what they did alright?"

Montrose

I am wondering if you read the same article I did. The gist of the opinion piece was that, regardless of whether or not the officer's action was criminal (in a legal sense), it was wrong and reform is needed. I pointed out the race of the supervising sergeant to make the point that what we were looking at in the video was a police procedure, not the work of some lone rogue racist cop.
#41
December 5, 2014 9:14 AM - petebklyn
grand juries not used in all states of USA. in the past I have read opinion pieces calling for getting rid because they
are generally a rubber stamp and wasteful.
#42
December 5, 2014 9:15 AM - MontroseMorris
DCB, don't be intentionally obtuse. I have no idea what went on in the Grand Jury room, and you know it. And if I need to tell you about what they are protesting about, not just in NYC, but all over the country, then I suggest you find some media coverage that is more than able to explain it.
Edited at December 5, 2014 9:15 AM
#43
December 5, 2014 9:17 AM - Deleted
see, delepp gets what i am saying!

"DCB, I did not google."

she used Bing instead.

#44
December 5, 2014 9:18 AM - DeLepp
I had no trouble getting a reservation on Wednesday for Thursday night but place was packed when we left at 9. We shared the suckling pig, tasty. $9 glass of ribiero del Duero was tasty and reasonable.
#45
December 5, 2014 9:19 AM - DeadCatBounce
rf, what does that piece of info about everyone else being granted immunity tell you?
Interested in your interpretation, or were you just posting info but not drawing a conclusion?
#46
December 5, 2014 9:24 AM - MontroseMorris
Yes, the article said it was wrong, but it couched it in terms that made it read that it was still mostly Eric Garner's fault. Racism is much more than something as overt as a KKK meeting. The whole idea that black men, especially young black men, MUST either be doing something wrong, even just walking down the street, or are so scary or powerful that you need to take them down hard and fast, comes out of racist ideas that permeates too many parts of this society. The inclination to blame the victim when they are shot down, is largely based on race. White men, young and old, are not judged by that standard. Not even white men in open carry states, wielding guns in public. Or even serial killers on a rampage. It's just a fact. And it needs to change.
#47
December 5, 2014 9:27 AM - Deleted
"it couched it in terms that made it read that it was still mostly Eric Garner's fault."

REALLY???????????????????? Montrose, you really need to take a deep breath on this one. That NR piece was well thought out and did no such thing.
#48
December 5, 2014 9:31 AM - Deleted
"What is clear, however, is that this did not need to happen. It is evident from the video footage that Officer Pantaleo, whether criminally or not, responded aggressively to a citizen who was not a threat, and whose crime was minor. Law enforcement must be granted latitude to enforce the law, but it is not clear why Garner’s offense necessitated arrest, and why that arrest was so urgent that it required aggressive force."
Edited at December 5, 2014 9:31 AM
#49
December 5, 2014 9:37 AM - Deleted
If cigs weren't fifteen dollars a pack a NYC, this wouldn't have happened. Unintended consequences of the nanny state, and the real reason the cop wasn't indicted. Lame. This also wouldn't hAve happened if he stepped on a treadmill once on a while, but I believe in peoples right to be morbidly obese if they choose.
#50
December 5, 2014 9:38 AM - dibs
MM's problem, time and time again, is that she selects a very small, out of context issue to argue and then obfuscates it. The article was well written and balanced.
#51
December 5, 2014 9:39 AM - dibs
"If cigs weren't fifteen dollars a pack a NYC, this wouldn't have happened."

Probably true. I have never seen singles being sold in Philly but I have no idea what cigs cost there.
#52
December 5, 2014 9:41 AM - Deleted
Gov. Tom Corbett on Wednesday signed into law a bill adding a $2-per-pack tax on cigarettes sold in Philadelphia to help pay for the city's schools.


The tax takes effect Wednesday and will push to about $7.80 the price of a pack of cigarettes sold in Philadelphia.

http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-pa-corbett-philly-cigarette-tax-20140924-story.html
Edited at December 5, 2014 9:41 AM
#53
December 5, 2014 9:41 AM - Deleted
so like everything in philly it is half as expensive.
#54
December 5, 2014 9:42 AM - dibs
What does a pack cost in NYC???
#55
December 5, 2014 9:42 AM - MontroseMorris
Whatever. If you can't get past one article and discuss the larger problem, then that is just fine and dandy. I don't think the article is all that fair. You do. Wonderful. Let's agree to disagree, and move on, unless you'd much rather pontificate on my intellectual "failings." I'm talking to you, Dave. You always do that. You never argue a point, when it's so much easier to harp on my supposed "problem."
#56
December 5, 2014 9:44 AM - Deleted
It's funny how that seems so cheap to me. 80 percent of his sold in NYC are black market. There's a Hasidic man in a van who delivers in my hood. Of course i found out about this after I quit.. oh well.
#57
December 5, 2014 9:46 AM - Deleted
Cigsare thirteen bud on average in Arabic delis, twelve HispAnic, and 15to 16 in Asian fauxdegas.
#58
December 5, 2014 9:48 AM - dibs
How much is a pack if you buy it at a bar?? Probably over $20. is that even legal for them to sell them????
#59
December 5, 2014 9:50 AM - DeadCatBounce
MM, what is your remedy or remedies?
Edited at December 5, 2014 9:50 AM
#60
December 5, 2014 9:52 AM - Deleted
bars don't sell smokes anymore.
#61
December 5, 2014 9:53 AM - Deleted
I don't know,, Dave. Trashy people go to bars.
#62
December 5, 2014 9:54 AM - dibs
OK.
Edited at December 5, 2014 9:53 AM
#63
December 5, 2014 9:56 AM - Deleted
"Trashy people go to bars."

weak.
Edited at December 5, 2014 9:56 AM
#64
December 5, 2014 9:56 AM - Deleted
GM - hungover - got caught in the protest last night in a 3x surge priced Uber ride home from holiday party. i'm cool with it. was really electric.
#65
December 5, 2014 9:57 AM - Deleted
also - everyone has a stake in police brutality.
Edited at December 5, 2014 9:57 AM
#66
December 5, 2014 9:58 AM - dibs
OK…off to the hardware store.


#67
December 5, 2014 9:58 AM - Deleted
was it like mardi gras? did you see any tits?
#68
December 5, 2014 9:59 AM - Deleted
derp
Edited at December 5, 2014 9:59 AM
#70
December 5, 2014 9:59 AM - dibs
"also - everyone has a stake in police brutality."

With the arrogance that many police forces have developed post 9/11 and the militarization of these knuckleheads over the past few years, I would have to agree.
Edited at December 5, 2014 9:59 AM
#69
December 5, 2014 9:59 AM - Deleted
oh DH- was your bonus acceptable?
Edited at December 5, 2014 9:59 AM
#71
December 5, 2014 10:01 AM - Deleted
If you want to put the Garner case in a larger context, I will, and it has to do with the "Broken Glass" issue. A few decades ago, when crime in NYC and elsewhere was rampant and police were in a purely reactive mode, an article was published by the Manhattan Institute's City Journal called something like "The Broken Glass Theory". The professor argued that the key to reducing crime was to go after minor offenses. He argued that the appearance of many acts of vandalism and petty crime - hence the title - led to a feeling of lawlessness, in a neighborhood, which bred more crime.

Giuliani and Bratton were a big believer in this theory. Remember their crackdown on the "Squeegie Men"? Their success in reducing crime speaks for itself.

With the Garner case, I believe we are facing the limitations of that approach. As DIBS mentioned, it was the minority shopkeeprs in the area who kept asking the police to do something about Garner. Hopefully, someone at the Manhattan Institute is thinking up the next step forward.
#72
December 5, 2014 10:02 AM - DeadCatBounce
sexist^^^^^
(Randi at 9:58)
Unless talking about men.
#73
December 5, 2014 10:02 AM - Deleted
Here is a pretty good read about a couple of white dudes at univ of chicago who got a police beatdown - and what they went through trying to get justice

it's very TLDR - but worth it - and horrfying.

not saying white people are as likely as black to suffer this - but it IS possible - and you have little recourse

http://www.vice.com/read/city-of-silence-117
Edited at December 5, 2014 10:02 AM
#74
December 5, 2014 10:03 AM - Deleted
bonus was about half what i expected - but boss said i'll get another 15 - 20% raise in January - i'm still looking to bounce though.
#75
December 5, 2014 10:03 AM - BirdnestHead
Admittedly, my morning has not been as bad as Eric Garner's, Michael Brown's, Akai Gurley's or Trayvon Martin's, or of any of the seemingly countless numbers of people of colour who have been victims of "peacekeeper over-exuberance", "poorly trained" law enforcers, or whatever the excuse/rationailzation/explanation of the moment might be.

Need to vent a bit for myself, been a morning of small irritations:

Short dude on subway elbowed me intentionally. Twice. Yappy group of girls blocked subway door at Broadway-Lafayette, were oblivious to "Excuse me please, getting off." Coffee guy made me black coffee, and insisted I had said "black" instead of "light". When I asked him to put milk in it, he filled it with half-n-half. Yuck.

It is the small things that make me nuts.
#76
December 5, 2014 10:04 AM - Deleted
According to some horrible person the protesters are all dorm and project dwellers lol. I am for the protests and change though.. humans are a mess
#77
December 5, 2014 10:12 AM - MontroseMorris
"it was the minority shopkeeprs in the area who kept asking the police to do something about Garner."

You keep saying that. It is irrelevant to the problem of an over militarized police killing people of color, not just in NYC, but all over the country. If anything, NYC still has the best police dept in this country, and at least they have training for these situations. But these things still happen. The question of why is what we need to address and correct as a society.


#78
December 5, 2014 10:14 AM - Deleted
i don't have the exact quote - but that mouth breather head of the PBA basically said something like "Black parents need to teach their kids not to resist arrest even if it is unjust"

what a load of fuckin bullshit.
#79
December 5, 2014 10:15 AM - Deleted
that vice story is horrifying.

i dont want anyone to think i am saying don't protest or that there isn't reason to protest, i just question the tactics being used.
Edited at December 5, 2014 10:15 AM
#80
December 5, 2014 10:15 AM - Deleted
i heard that DH. what a scary thing to say.
#81
December 5, 2014 10:16 AM - Deleted
TowArd a new earth discusses what the real issue is, but its too intellectual...
#82
December 5, 2014 10:17 AM - Deleted
" i just question the tactics being used."

sorry - i think that's bullshit - i think the shutting down of roads is the PERFECT tactic.


#83
December 5, 2014 10:22 AM - Slope4Eva
Not perfect for the fire engines, ambulances, etc. that need to get through.

GM.
#84
December 5, 2014 10:22 AM - rf
No Bing either, although now I googled to document what I posted:
The other officers at the scene that summer day were offered immunity for their testimony to the grand jury.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Grand-Jury-Decision-Eric-Garner-Staten-Island-Chokehold-Death-NYPD-284595921.html

The rest of the officers in the arrest have received immunity in the case.
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-12-03/the-eric-garner-case-weakens-the-argument-for-police-body-cameras
#85
December 5, 2014 10:23 AM - Deleted
why DH? i don't see how fucking with normal people's ability to go about their lives forwards the cause. but whatever its not worth arguing. i just think of all the OWS shit, all the laying in the streets in front of the stock exchange etc....what did that accomplish? nothing.

also i agree with what Eva says.
#86
December 5, 2014 10:23 AM - Deleted
gotta love NYC limousine liberals

vote democrat
advocate for social justice, alternative energy and the works

but FUCK YOU if you inconvenience their drive to Whole Foods.
#87
December 5, 2014 10:25 AM - Deleted
"but FUCK YOU if you inconvenience their drive to Whole Foods."

weak. anyway there isn't whole foods on west side highway and i was at home taking care of my kid.
#88
December 5, 2014 10:26 AM - Deleted
Lol Dh, spot on.
#89
December 5, 2014 10:27 AM - Deleted
the march across the bk bridge was planned, the road was shut down. cool, do it. mobs of people rushing a highway is just stupid and dangerous.
Edited at December 5, 2014 10:27 AM
#90
December 5, 2014 10:28 AM - Deleted
hey rob, did you vote in november? ok then STFU. thanks
#91
December 5, 2014 10:30 AM - Deleted
BONUS ROUND!!!!

#CrimingWhileWhite On Twitter has been trending for the last three days, take a look and get back to me!

The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
#92
December 5, 2014 10:30 AM - Deleted
i was in Manhattan in the midst of it in a car - it was a minor inconvenience - if you aren't willing to be minorly inconvenienced for something so important i guess it isn't that important to you.

it's your apathy that's rampant in this country and why stuff like this will continue happening.

fin
#93
December 5, 2014 10:31 AM - Deleted
"Manhattan Institute's City Journal called something like "The Broken Glass Theory"

Benson get your shit together is called "Broken Windows". Charles Murray creator of the "Bell Curve" is a member. The Manhatan Institute is a Covert Eugenic Think Tank!

"Giuliani and Bratton were a big believer in this theory. Remember their crackdown on the "Squeegie Men"? Their success in reducing crime speaks for itself."

I'm your Boogie Man, that's what I am. Giuliani used that Mantra to win just like when the Police Stormed City Hall calling Dinkins a "Washroom Attendant" and a "Nigger" but, you forgot about that right Benson!

Now Ladies and Gentian! You think the events of the past few months has NOTHING to do with you (I.E. White People), you're sooooooooo Fucking Wrong!!!!!

The Ebola Scare, Ferguson and Eric Garner is a Real World Tactical Exercise going on right now!
The Worlds Economy is at edge of Destruction!!!! In the next few weeks Billions of dollars in wealth will vaporize in front of your eyes! They will need some way to control the angry Population!

This is all Bullshit and the reaction tells me you cannot "Connect the dots", you really don't understand what's going on!

The What (Now you can stop posting)
Someday this war is gonna end...

#94
December 5, 2014 10:34 AM - BirdnestHead
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." 1st Amendment

"The U.S. Constitution was eventually ratified by all thirteen states. In the 1st United States Congress, following the state legislatures' request, James Madison proposed twenty constitutional amendments, which were then condensed to twelve and forwarded to the states. Ten of these were ratified and became the Bill of Rights. The First Amendment passed the House and Senate with almost no recorded debate, complicating future discussion of the Amendment's intent. The First Amendment (along with the rest of the Bill of Rights) was submitted to the states for ratification on September 25, 1789, and adopted on December 15, 1791." Wikipedia
#95
December 5, 2014 10:34 AM - Deleted
you were drunk in a 3x uber ride coming back from your corporate party and got to feel the electricity. LOL how am i showing my apathy?
#96
December 5, 2014 10:35 AM - Deleted
and now i am also complicit in this type of thing happening? sure dude.
#97
December 5, 2014 10:36 AM - Deleted
yeah so? How did any of this effect you in the slightest that you're sitting here playing armchair protest organizer ?
#98
December 5, 2014 10:37 AM - Deleted
my observation was simply that blocking a highway perhaps isn't the best tactic, that is all.
#99
December 5, 2014 10:38 AM - Deleted
Why not? It's certainly keeping the issue alive.
Edited at December 5, 2014 10:38 AM
December 5, 2014 10:40 AM - Deleted
i can't talk about this anymore i have to go to whole foods. derp.
December 5, 2014 10:40 AM - Deleted
Lolll ok I'm done too. Let's be friends again. Derp
Edited at December 5, 2014 10:40 AM
December 5, 2014 10:42 AM - Deleted
What happen? LMMFAO! Y'all was so chatty before!!
I understand, the truth is a disinfectant!

The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Edited at December 5, 2014 10:42 AM
December 5, 2014 10:44 AM - Deleted
"Lolll ok I'm done too. Let's be friends again. Derp"

The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
December 5, 2014 10:46 AM - Deleted
LOLLL
December 5, 2014 10:59 AM - DeadCatBounce
"The Ebola Scare, Ferguson and Eric Garner is a Real World Tactical Exercise going on right now!"

Believe it or not, the What is not the only one advancing this idea.

I don't give it too much credence but I will say that recent events have generated a lot of data on crowd behavior that is probably being evaluated for future situations.
December 5, 2014 11:01 AM - DeadCatBounce
Are those things Teletubbies?
Edited at December 5, 2014 11:01 AM
December 5, 2014 11:14 AM - Deleted
Those are not. And my not voting is intentional.I don't like our political system and refuse to partake... that's my right.
Edited at December 5, 2014 11:14 AM
December 5, 2014 11:22 AM - DeadCatBounce
.
Edited at December 5, 2014 11:22 AM
December 5, 2014 11:26 AM - Deleted
what political system would you prefer?
December 5, 2014 11:35 AM - DeadCatBounce
I would prefer Rule by Rhombus.
December 5, 2014 12:02 PM - Deleted
http://gothamist.com/2014/12/05/cops_shot_unarmed_man.php

rookie cop who shot unarmed black dude in the PJs texted PBA rep instead of calling for help for dying man. wasn't even supposed to be patrolling those PJs
December 5, 2014 12:10 PM - DeLepp
Union head last night was tone deaf. I think they need a PR firm. As for ^^^ that is just crazy, though not surprising.
December 5, 2014 12:13 PM - Deleted
i wonder if that rookie cop is gonna be sacrificed to appease the masses or if the system will protect him as it has the other cops in recent cases.
December 5, 2014 12:14 PM - Deleted
the whole policy of having rookies patrol high crime areas makes no fucking sense
December 5, 2014 12:14 PM - RowerChick
Yesterday morning I had my bags checked at the Pacific St Station (I refuse to call it Barclay). This was the first time I have ever seen the police check anyone's bags there. I guess I looked very subversive in my casual business attire.

December 5, 2014 12:20 PM - DeLepp
My bags been checked about 10 times at the DeKalb station since they started. Twice in one week last year.
December 5, 2014 12:24 PM - RowerChick
Well that's just because you look like a major threat, DeLepp ;-P
December 5, 2014 12:29 PM - DeLepp
I know, I'm more of a threat at happy hour not rush hour.
December 5, 2014 12:35 PM - Deleted
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
December 5, 2014 12:51 PM - Deleted
I'm going to take a break from here, I understand no one wants to hear the truth about shit (Like The Forte Condo) or other things.

It's like a Dream World in here made of Fucking Retarded Racist People with a Covert Agenda.
Now every one has Righteous indignation and shit, the same people you have pity for is the same people your drove out of Brooklyn, the Fucking Left saying "Look at those Poor people" or better yet walking with them saying "Don't shoot hands up" in secret you want the Cops to kill every Black Person in the hood so you can have it, without doing the dirty work yourselves.

For years I have railed against Brownstoner's Covert Race/Class Warfare Tactics and for years You've have defended him!

But it's alright, the Mutant Asset Bubble is gonna fucking crash and I wanna see how much love you have For Brooklyn then.

"My bags been checked about 10 times at the DeKalb station since they started. Twice in one week last year."

So you give up your 4th Amendment rights to unreasonable search and seizure, this is why America is Fucking Retarded, You're Fucking Retarded!

I'm gonna stand Down in the Hooch, knock back a few cold ones, Live in my House and Laugh at all the Fucktards paying 2500.00 a month to live on Grand Ave paying for Heat and Hot Water, Suck it well..

The What
Someday this war is gonna end...

Edited at December 5, 2014 12:50 PM
December 5, 2014 1:21 PM - Deleted
My bag was checked like three times at the 125th st station in the y2k decade.
Edited at December 5, 2014 1:21 PM
December 5, 2014 1:46 PM - sixyearsandcounting
ATTN Benson: regarding the Garner case and "broken windows" here's what Commentary Magazine had to say: http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2014/12/03/eric-garner-and-the-crime-drop/

"This inspired strategy helped save New York City, and its adoption across the country helped save the nation from the most pressing domestic problem it faced from the 196os to the 1990s. But we’re now into our third decade of the crime drop, and the simple fact of the matter is that broken-windows logic doesn’t work in the same way it did in the 1990s. The criminal class that made New York City a disastrous place to live has been rendered ineffectual. Crime is down and has remained low because the crooks are in jail and have stayed in jail. The low-hanging fruit was picked, and so too was the fruit that hung higher.

Thus, in a reversal of the past, it’s more likely the case that a shambling 43 year-old selling loosies on a commercial strip is not someone who poses much of a danger, and need not be subdued aggressively as the officers in question sought to subdue Garner. You can’t do nothing about someone like Garner—allowing him to work the street as he was in front of functioning businesses is a classic example of a window that may be on the verge of breaking. But there’s nothing and then there’s too much."
December 5, 2014 1:49 PM - sixyearsandcounting
As for the article in National Review, there's this sentence: "The claims of demonstrators notwithstanding, Garner’s death has occasioned outrage not because it is another example of a common occurrence, but because it is virtually unique."

The writer means "unique" in the context of misdemeanor arrests, which is silly because that's not the situation that protesters are worked up about. Deaths of African-American men at the hands of the police are not rare. Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Tamar Rice, John Crawford....and that's just highly-publicized cases in the last year.
December 5, 2014 1:50 PM - dibs
While all you fucktards have been here mentally masturbating, I have been busy with woodworking projects.
Edited at December 5, 2014 1:50 PM
December 5, 2014 1:55 PM - Deleted
Joan Crawford was killed by the popo¿¿¿
December 5, 2014 2:03 PM - sixyearsandcounting
"woodworking" lolzzz
December 5, 2014 2:18 PM - Legion
What,
try to understand that it's always been a mess.
Ironically, that's what keeps me optimistic for the most part,
the fact that I'm just lucky to be enjoying an easy life compared to the majority of the people on the planet.
Like the song goes: "...ball of confusion...that's what the world is today..."
December 5, 2014 2:20 PM - Legion
randolph confirmed my suspicions with his comments earlier.
The majority of the protesters are the same hipster types we talk about here all the time.
Too busy taking selfies and impressing themselves with their social activism to understand
what it really takes to make change on a large scale.

These are the children of the internet.
Televising the revolution while taking time to impress their friends on facebook.
Wait till a real crisis hits.
December 5, 2014 2:33 PM - dibs
A large % of OWS werte the same people, Legion
December 5, 2014 2:34 PM - sixyearsandcounting
So Legion, what does it take to "make change on a large scale" if protests are not a valid means of doing so?
December 5, 2014 2:35 PM - MontroseMorris
Six is always a calm voice of reason and good sense. Thank you!
Edited at December 5, 2014 2:35 PM
December 5, 2014 2:36 PM - rf
I know 4 or 5 protesters who joined the crowd after working a full day in Manhattan.
December 5, 2014 2:37 PM - Legion
What it takes sixyears is to accept the limitations of our democracy first,
then understand the role of individual responsibility within it.

Vote, for one.
Holding politicians accountable for their promises would be another.
How about ensuring a responsive government by voting for term limits.
How about becoming part of the education process within the neighborhoods themselves.
December 5, 2014 2:37 PM - rf
And the protests mostly started up after the work day.

quote
When the protests began early Thursday evening, a crowd of a few hundreds morphed into an estimated 10,000 protesters in Foley Square in Lower Manhattan.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/12/04/more-rallies-planned-after-protests-erupt-following-grand-jury-decision-in-eric-garner-case/
December 5, 2014 2:38 PM - Legion
I think so dibs,
the OWS crowd is full of "career anarchists" and the like.
People who have no interest whatsoever in actually changing the democracy we live in for the better.
Rather, they'd like to see it burn.
December 5, 2014 2:41 PM - MontroseMorris
Peaceful protests are effective in producing change. How else does one let the establishment know that masses of people are not happy? Sign an internet petition? Wait three years and then vote? People have been taking to the streets for centuries. If people had not protested during the Civil Rights Movement, and waited for elected officials to get around to righting wrongs, I'd still be sitting in the back of the bus in Alabama. The Viet Nam War would have dragged on even longer. The list goes on.

I would argue that we would have been out of Iraq sooner had people taken to the streets the way they did against the Viet Nam War. Instead, we sat in our homes, on our computers and XBoxes, and bitched and moaned in chat rooms. I applaud people taking to the streets, we need to do it more often. I'm talking about PEACEFUL protests, not mobs, or lootfests.
December 5, 2014 2:41 PM - Legion
We've heard it all before rf,
we saw the photos and video of OWS and we saw the photos and images from Times Square.

We saw a good deal of hipster types taking selfies and videotaping themselves being "revolutionary",
then running home to watch their DVR collection of Girls.
December 5, 2014 2:42 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Working within the two-party system doesn't create change when dealing with systemic problems.
Edited at December 5, 2014 2:42 PM
December 5, 2014 2:43 PM - Legion
...as usual MM is arguing a point other than the one I made.
No problem with protests.
Big problem when the objective of the protest is not clear.
Edited at December 5, 2014 2:43 PM
December 5, 2014 2:45 PM - Legion
"Working within the two-party system doesn't create change when dealing with systemic problems."

This sentence betrays a lack of confidence in our judicial system.
Where was the objection when the Supreme Court upheld a law which most of the nation was against?
December 5, 2014 2:47 PM - DeadCatBounce
Here is what doesn't work:

Countering hate with hate

Here is what does work:

Persuading others to change their outlook.
Much harder to do than burning some cars.


December 5, 2014 2:48 PM - Deleted
"This sentence betrays a lack of confidence in our judicial system."

lol @ mr conspiracy theory chastising someone for a lack of confidence in something.
December 5, 2014 2:49 PM - Deleted
i think if everyone just works hard and doesn't commit crimes they have nothing to worry about! /s
Edited at December 5, 2014 2:49 PM
December 5, 2014 2:50 PM - Legion
yes, because daddy-government is supposed to take care of everything for you and tuck you in at night with a bedtime story. m/s
December 5, 2014 2:51 PM - Deleted
that sentence displays a lack of confidence in our country.
December 5, 2014 2:52 PM - Deleted
**pauses for tl;dr haiku**
December 5, 2014 2:52 PM - Legion
...I sense a bit of protest butthurt in dh today. :o(
Edited at December 5, 2014 2:52 PM
December 5, 2014 2:53 PM - rf
Were cars burned in NYC over the past 2 nights, DCB? I wasn't aware of it.
Edited at December 5, 2014 2:53 PM
December 5, 2014 2:54 PM - Legion
I don't lack faith in our country dh,
as long is it well understood that the individual;s role in society is what makes this nation.
NOT, the government which is elected to run it.
December 5, 2014 2:56 PM - rf
Please post some of these photos of dirty hipsters (no offense, our very own dh) overwhelming the protests. Not what I saw on the news or on the Internet.
December 5, 2014 2:58 PM - Deleted
" that the individual;s role in society is what makes this nation."

so you'd agree that thousands of individuals assembling to peacefully protest the tyranny of a gov't agency is a beautiful thing?
December 5, 2014 2:58 PM - Legion
Is that what people are protesting dh?
I'm not being sarcastic here.
Is it a "tyranny" of the police?
Edited at December 5, 2014 2:58 PM
December 5, 2014 2:59 PM - Legion
...and anyone who would like to enjoy the alternative "collectivist" form of governance need only read a history book to see what a joy that is.
I recommend reading Solzhenitsyn first, The Gulag Archipelago.

In reference to the millions killed in order to allow for a glorious new society of
men:
"...to taste the sea, you only need to take one gulp."
December 5, 2014 3:00 PM - Deleted
tyranny = cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control.

absolutely
December 5, 2014 3:01 PM - sixyearsandcounting
"This sentence betrays a lack of confidence in our judicial system.
Where was the objection when the Supreme Court upheld a law which most of the nation was against?"

It seems like the anti-Roe v Wade campaign is one of the longest-running protest movements in the country. So was the abolitionist movement. There's nothing wrong with protesting against a court decision. What's your point?
December 5, 2014 3:03 PM - Deleted
Dukes old dog walker has been protesting pretty hard ,<3
Edited at December 5, 2014 3:03 PM
December 5, 2014 3:07 PM - Legion
dh,
Do you believe that the NYPD is systematically plagued by unreasonable and arbitrary use of power in their millions of encounters with citizens yearly?
Could this incident in Staten Island be an unfortunate case of bad judgement and excessive force by ONE officer combined with an individual in bad health?
Edited at December 5, 2014 3:06 PM
December 5, 2014 3:07 PM - Deleted
"where the majority of Americans were clearly against its implementation?"

citation please
Edited at December 5, 2014 3:06 PM
December 5, 2014 3:08 PM - Legion
Numerous polls including Gallup, Pew, CBS/NYTimes.
Please look up under Popularity of ACA.

December 5, 2014 3:08 PM - Deleted
yes and no
Edited at December 5, 2014 3:08 PM
December 5, 2014 3:09 PM - Legion
sixyears,
You mentioned that there were "systemic problems", I assume you meant our judicial system since that's what spurred the protests.
Where was your outrage with the "system" with regard to its role in the case of the ACA where the majority of Americans were clearly against its implementation?
Didn't seem to be a systemic problem in that case.
Edited at December 5, 2014 3:09 PM
December 5, 2014 3:09 PM - Legion
You do realize that the majority of the NYPD is made up of minority men and women no?
December 5, 2014 3:09 PM - Deleted
well i've seen numerous polls saying people are happy with ACA - look em up
December 5, 2014 3:10 PM - Deleted
"You do realize that the majority of the NYPD is made up of minority men and women no?"

doesn't matter - chain of command.
Edited at December 5, 2014 3:10 PM
December 5, 2014 3:11 PM - DeadCatBounce
rf, i did not say that.
December 5, 2014 3:13 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Legion, now you're just changing the subject. I need to define systemic problems for you?

Ok - a systemic (or "structural" problem) is one that those in power, regardless of what party they are from, will not or cannot fix on their own because the problem is intrinsic to the system. It's a feature, not a bug, in other words.

The reason that the civil rights movement, and abolitionists, and etc etc take to the streets is because the political system (and I mean both parties) cannot or could not deal with the critical issue at hand. These protesters are raising awareness of the problem of racial discrimination in law enforcement. By being in the streets, they bring news coverage to their cause, and passive spectators think about it more than they otherwise would. Some will be persuaded, others won't be.
December 5, 2014 3:14 PM - Legion
The senior officer in Staten Island was an African American woman.
This is no excuse at all. Simply an observation if the ultimate objection is to be based upon the spectre of institutional racism.

I do believe that excessive force was obviously used.
If that's what folks are protesting, I would even say that I agree with holding our police officers accountable for excessive use of force and working towards better training and use of non lethal means of subduing an individual, one of those giant glue guns or a net or stun gun.
Most of the message I'm hearing from protesters however is based on the race issue unfortunately.
Edited at December 5, 2014 3:14 PM
December 5, 2014 3:15 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Advice for African-Americans on how to deal with, yes, a systemic problem: https://twitter.com/OWSLibrary/status/540753096335695872/photo/1
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/12/25-things-black-people-shouldnt-do-around-cops.html

"Don't play in the park with toy guns and maybe they won't kill you. Don't ask for help after a car accident and maybe they won't kill you. Don't wear a hoodie and maybe they won't kill you. Don't cosplay with a toy sword and maybe they won't kill you. Don't shop at Walmart and maybe they won't kill you. Don't take the BART and maybe they won't kill you. Don't ride your bike and maybe they won't kill you. Don't reach for your cell phone and maybe they won't kill you. Don't go to your friend's birthday party and maybe they won't kill you. Don't sit on your front stoop and maybe they won't kill you. Don't "startle" them and maybe they won't kill you. Don't "look around suspiciously" and maybe they won't kill you. Don't walk on a bridge with your family and maybe they won't kill you. Don't play "cops and robbers" with your buddies and maybe they won't kill you. Don't work in a warehouse repairing instruments and maybe they won't kill you. Don't stand in your grandma's bathroom and maybe they won't kill you. Don't pray with your daughters in public and maybe they won't kill you. Don't go to your bachelor party and maybe they won't kill you. Don't have an ex boyfriend who might be a suspect and maybe they won't kill you. Don't call for medical help for your sister and maybe they won't kill her. Don't hang out in the park with your friends and maybe they won't kill you. Don't get a flat tire and maybe they won't kill you. Don't park in a fire lane and maybe they won't kill you. Don't reach for your wallet and maybe they won't kill you. Don't let your medical alert device go off and maybe they won't kill you. I'm done for today. My heart can't handle any more."
Edited at December 5, 2014 3:15 PM
December 5, 2014 3:16 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Here is a systemic problem:

The DA, who works with the police to secure indictments of criminals, is also the one who presents the case to indict (or not) a cop. There is an inherent conflict of interest.
December 5, 2014 3:17 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Good night - 12:17 am here.
December 5, 2014 3:22 PM - Legion
sixyears,
you are adding fuel to the fire by insisting that there is no form of acceptable policing of minority communities.
Articles like the one you just posted only serve to reinforce the outdated notion that the people who police our communities are not to be trusted.
That in itself is a self fulfilling prophecy when every encounter with the law become a referendum on a the perceived greater injustice of simply living in this nation.
I say that as a minority myself.
Edited at December 5, 2014 3:22 PM
December 5, 2014 3:23 PM - Legion
...it's a page right out of the Al Sharpton textbook of community building.
Edited at December 5, 2014 3:23 PM
December 5, 2014 3:25 PM - Deleted
"you are adding fuel to the fire by insisting that there is no form of acceptable policing of minority communities."

where did he say that?
December 5, 2014 3:28 PM - Legion
...he just said that by posting a long article where a child is told that their lives are in danger by every police officer and law enforcement official in the nation.
Much of whom are minorities themselves.
December 5, 2014 3:29 PM - Deleted
lol no he didn't
December 5, 2014 3:30 PM - Deleted
how can you even remotely take that away from what he posted?
December 5, 2014 3:33 PM - Deleted
Hi

I'm back.

Six: the fact that National Review (the "Catholic Right") and Commentary (the "Jewish Right") are willing to re-examine their views on the appropriate use of police force speaks to to their intellectual flexibility. Which is more than can be said for the Left on this issue, and I refer to the NR's characterization of it as "race-obsessed".

Let's examine the two situations in NYC. In the Garner case, you had a team of cops responding to the complaints of minority shop-keepers, directed by a black female sargeant. In the Pink PJ's, the officer who fired the shot was Asian (a "person of color"). All of this in a city which only has a plurality of whites, and a police force that is headed that way.

Yet the left continues to create an over-arching issue of "white cops vs. black victims", and to see the whole thing through this prism. Moreover, they refuse to discuss another aspect of the issue, and that is the high level of criminality in the black ghetto. Cops are going to be deployed where the crime is, and as such, the majority of these type of incidences will be in black areas (unless there is an Amish equivalent of the Pink Houses that I'm missing).

Because of all this, I doubt the protests will do much. As I've said before, I'm willing to have a conversation about the use of the police, and I believe a lot of Americans are. I'm not going to have such a conversation with rable-rousers.
December 5, 2014 3:34 PM - Legion
...dh are you reading what I'm reading with his 3:15 post.
It's a littany of don't dos or else "they'll kill you".
Who's "THEY"?
December 5, 2014 3:37 PM - Legion
I agree benson,
the majority of this city is already non-white at about 56 percent (Hispanic, Black, Asian).
The NYPD is also a majority non-white.

I am also attempting to advance this discussion beyond the White vs. Black race isssue but
it doesn't seem to be budging from there.
December 5, 2014 3:39 PM - Legion
sixyears,
I'm not changing the subject, I'm attempting to analyze the core of the protest.
Is it our judicial system?
Is it our law enforcement system?
Is it racism in general?

All of these are muddled by the facts of the specific cases however.
All I'm getting from the protesters whose ultimate leader appears to be Al Sharpton,
is that there is no Justice to be had in this nation.
This is a falsehood.
Not based on my opinion but on what actually happens every day in America according to crime and punishment statistics.
December 5, 2014 3:40 PM - Deleted
it's a summary of circumstances that led up to unarmed black people being shot.

is shooting unarmed minorities a fundamental tactic of policing minority communities?

i don't know how you read that and formulated your 3:22
December 5, 2014 3:43 PM - Legion
dh,
according to statistics there were hundreds of more white men shot by police last year than black men.
This is why the idea that there is some sort of "open season" on certain individuals, is simply a false premise.
Throw in the number of hispanics (white or black) into the mix and the varied races of the officers involved and you begin to see that this nation is already beyond the simplistic "burn down the white house" approach.
Edited at December 5, 2014 3:43 PM
December 5, 2014 3:45 PM - Deleted
"according to statistics there were hundreds of more white men shot by police last year than black men."

were those said white men armed?
Edited at December 5, 2014 3:45 PM
December 5, 2014 3:51 PM - Legion
It's a general FBI statistic dh.
The point is that there is no lack of white men being killed by officers, no matter the color of the officer.
The running theme of those who would take the Al Sharpton route is that there is some sort of organized movement to exterminate certain individuals.
If that were true, we wouldn't have 52% of the men killed by cops being white men or 13% hispanic.
Edited at December 5, 2014 3:51 PM
December 5, 2014 3:52 PM - Deleted
your point is irrelevant to the discussion at hand and is only meant to obfuscate the matter.


December 5, 2014 3:53 PM - Legion
LOL,
you are beginning to sound like me there.
December 5, 2014 3:53 PM - Deleted
i learn from the best! ;)
December 5, 2014 4:05 PM - Deleted
i think saying cops are racist is oversimplifying the issues. i think a big factor is since 9/11 we've started arming our police forces like they're military in the name of national security. you arm people like they're in a war zone - they will act like they're in a war zone.
Edited at December 5, 2014 4:05 PM
December 5, 2014 4:11 PM - dibs
^^^^What I have been saying for some time now, dh, including earlier today
Edited at December 5, 2014 4:11 PM
December 5, 2014 4:17 PM - Deleted
yeah - we've agreed on that point for a while.
December 5, 2014 4:18 PM - Deleted
Derp.
December 5, 2014 4:20 PM - DeadCatBounce
If you want to make things better, you need to find an approach that gets people working together.
Being divisive is not helpful.
Edited at December 5, 2014 4:20 PM
December 5, 2014 4:24 PM - Deleted
"Being divisive is not helpful"

Amen.
December 5, 2014 4:26 PM - Legion
...hey,
divide this by two:
Edited at December 5, 2014 4:26 PM
December 5, 2014 4:29 PM - rf
.
December 5, 2014 4:29 PM - Deleted
Well, now that we've reached some form of consensus, is it time for drinks again? R'andi?
December 5, 2014 4:30 PM - MontroseMorris
"Let's examine the two situations in NYC. In the Garner case, you had a team of cops responding to the complaints of minority shop-keepers, directed by a black female sargeant."

I repeat - TOTALLY IRRELEVANT! Who cares if the shop keepers were minorities? Why do you think that is important? The black female sergeant is also irrelevant. She wasn't the one jumping on the man's back or in the pile up around him. Whatever she did or did not do to direct the situation from the background, she was not jumping on the man, pulling him to the ground. The issue is not really even the race of the cops who did it. It's in the policing itself. Garner was not resisting arrest, clearly. He asked to be left alone. They didn't need to pull him down like wolves on a bear. They could have handled it much better, and that is the point in this particular case.
December 5, 2014 4:30 PM - DeLepp
Maybe What was right, bank is telling me my balance is not available...
December 5, 2014 4:33 PM - Deleted
I'm still buying benson.
December 5, 2014 4:34 PM - Deleted
^^what a guy!
December 5, 2014 4:34 PM - MontroseMorris
And I see the scary spectre of Al Sharpton has arisen. Again, who cares? He inserts himself because that's what he does. He speaks only for Al Sharpton, and for the glorification of Al Sharpton. He's so irrelevant, I barely see him in the photos. Besides, he looks like he's wasting away. Maybe he'll disappear soon, and you'll have to find another person to take his place.
December 5, 2014 4:40 PM - dibs
Cash unavailable too or just balance check? I've seen the balance unavailable before.
Edited at December 5, 2014 4:40 PM
December 5, 2014 4:52 PM - Deleted
"Rolling Stone magazine said Friday that it found discrepancies in its controversial story about an alleged gang rape at the University of Virginia and had lost faith in the piece, a shocking retreat coming merely days after author Sabrina Rubin Erdely defended the reporting.

"In the face of new information, there now appear to be discrepancies in Jackie's account, and we have come to the conclusion that our trust in her was misplaced," Will Dana, the magazine's managing editor, wrote on its website.

"We were trying to be sensitive to the unfair shame and humiliation many women feel after a sexual assault and now regret the decision to not contact the alleged assaulters to get their account," the post said. "We are taking this seriously and apologize to anyone who was affected by the story.""

Apparently the same thing may soon happen to Lena Dunham's accusation that she was raped by the leading conservative Republican on her campus at Oberlin, a guy she named as "Barry".

December 5, 2014 5:03 PM - DeadCatBounce
"They didn't need to pull him down like wolves on a bear. They could have handled it much better, and that is the point in this particular case."
Finally!
Edited at December 5, 2014 5:03 PM
December 5, 2014 5:57 PM - dibs
Christie cleared once and for all…

An investigation by the New Jersey Legislature has cleared Gov. Chris Christie in an apparently politically motivated scheme that closed some lanes of the George Washington Bridge last year, leading to major traffic jams and a political firestorm.

The investigation could find no evidence that Christie was involved in the scheme.

The Associated Press reports:

"Investigators found no conclusive evidence whether Christie was aware or not of the closures last year, but they say that two former Christie aides acted with 'perceived impunity' and with little regard for public safety when they ordered the lanes closed, according to a 136-page interim report by a joint legislative panel that was obtained by news organizations Thursday night.

"A report commissioned by Christie previously cleared him of any wrongdoing and a lawyer for the governor said in a statement Thursday that the report corroborates that investigation.

" 'The Committee has finally acknowledged what we reported nine months ago — namely, that there is not a shred of evidence Governor Christie knew anything about the GWB lane realignment beforehand or that any current member of his staff was involved in that decision,' Christie attorney Randy Mastro said in a statement."

This will be unbearable to rf who will have some asinine, snarky retort.
Edited at December 5, 2014 5:59 PM
December 5, 2014 6:08 PM - Deleted
Oh dear. It's been a busy day....implosion of "The New Republic".

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/the-new-republic-moves-to-new-york-city-113343.html

Edited at December 5, 2014 6:08 PM
December 5, 2014 6:22 PM - dibs
I guess the 31 year old dot commer knows whats best
December 5, 2014 6:42 PM - dibs
Category 5 Super Typhoon headed right for the Philippines
Edited at December 5, 2014 6:42 PM
December 5, 2014 7:29 PM - MontroseMorris
"This will be unbearable to rf who will have some asinine, snarky retort."

Dave, that is hardly necessary. You just love to toss that gasoline on the fire.
December 5, 2014 7:39 PM - dibs
I think all you Democrats who were adamantly accusing him and proclaiming his guilt should apologize but I know not one of you are man enough to do so
December 5, 2014 7:39 PM - MontroseMorris
Finally what, DCB? That statement hardly negates anything DH and others, including myself, were saying.
December 5, 2014 7:41 PM - MontroseMorris
You're right, I'm not man enough.

I also don't recall saying anything about Christie whatsoever, so don't look over here.
Edited at December 5, 2014 7:41 PM
December 5, 2014 7:43 PM - dibs
No of course you didn't. You stayed silent during the whole brouhaha.
December 5, 2014 7:45 PM - rf
Apologize? On the OT? Talk about delusional!
December 5, 2014 7:48 PM - dibs
There she is. The head Christie hater.
December 5, 2014 7:51 PM - petebklyn
"Investigators found no conclusive evidence " -- very different from no evidence. Like saying watching that SI video
and no indictment means that everything smells like roses. Something still stinks.
I can believe he did not know about beforehand. But he certainly was deceitful and untruthful afterwards when he sure as hell knew what happened and how it happened and why it happened...yet claimed their was no politics involved.
We admit Cuomo is slimy even though he has done positive things...but to remain so obtuse and deny that Christie is also slime bucket is ridiculous.
Edited at December 5, 2014 7:51 PM
December 5, 2014 7:51 PM - Deleted
ya know what's divisive? killing people you're scared of.
December 5, 2014 7:52 PM - dibs
If you say so, Pete.
December 5, 2014 7:53 PM - rf
Dave, do you mean I should write a letter of apology to Christie? Should I google his address?

HAHAHAHA
December 5, 2014 7:53 PM - Deleted
just send him a platter of veal parm
December 5, 2014 7:59 PM - Deleted
calorist! SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME


December 5, 2014 8:02 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
GE

DH, Six and MM have done a stellar job of holding down the fort here!

Thank you all, sincerely for voicing a lot of what I've been feeling and thinking, but unavailable to comment on. I also agree with DH and DIBS that the militarization of our police is showing itself to come to no good end.

I wish I'd been present to cheer you on! #daylatedollarshort
Edited at December 5, 2014 8:04 PM
December 5, 2014 8:02 PM - Deleted
Lol rob. I'm surprised your arent all pro Ana fat shaming since you've quit smoking
December 5, 2014 8:04 PM - petebklyn
veal parm is lowcarb
Edited at December 5, 2014 8:04 PM
December 5, 2014 8:05 PM - dibs
Speaking of low carb, I'm gonna have a slice of pecan pie
Edited at December 5, 2014 8:05 PM
December 5, 2014 8:06 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Oh, and Pete, too!
December 5, 2014 8:07 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
We're having middle eastern food, as soon as it's delivered. : D
December 5, 2014 8:07 PM - Deleted
I was just joking. Make fun of whomever you want. I'm actually sick and tired of EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE being shamed to fucking death these days.

Oh yeah, and NO PEACE TIL COBBLE IS BANNED

NO PEACE TIL COBBLE IS BANNED

BURN THE FUCKING FAKE BITCH WITCH

NO PEACE TIL COBBLED IS BANNED


ahh, that felt good and right.

December 5, 2014 8:08 PM - Deleted
Mmmmm jealous.

I had dinner in Greenpoint. Did a nice long walk through my old stomping grounds of the Williamsburg Riviera. It's mind boggling how much it's changed since I moved away - and even more so when I first moved there. I can't say its for the worse - but it's not how it was when I enjoyed it. Can't imagine the nostalgia for the old days some people who've lived here their whole lives must feel
December 5, 2014 8:09 PM - Deleted
Burn should have read ban.. But I guess i'm in the moment. Present.
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December 5, 2014 8:10 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Fake? I may be a b*tch or a witch at times, but I'm certainly not fake.

Bite me, robbrat.
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December 5, 2014 8:10 PM - Deleted
They will get their nostalgia back on Sunday night.
December 5, 2014 8:11 PM - Deleted
I don't like shaming either. Christie is kinda special as he lives in a glass house but loves to throw stones.
December 5, 2014 8:11 PM - BirdnestHead
Burst the Pustule!!
Burst the Pustule!!
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December 5, 2014 8:13 PM - BirdnestHead
Eeek!! Run away! Run away!
Edited at December 5, 2014 8:13 PM
December 5, 2014 8:13 PM - petebklyn
that olive oil wine bar I think is opening tomorrow on smith
Edited at December 5, 2014 8:13 PM
December 5, 2014 8:13 PM - Deleted
Do not address me you vile piece of tuna can

December 5, 2014 8:15 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Robbrat, robbrat, robbrat, robbrat, robbrat, robbrat!
December 5, 2014 8:15 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Robbrat, robbrat, robbrat, robbrat, robbrat, robbrat!
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December 5, 2014 8:15 PM - Deleted
Also - I seriously think the L train isn't even close to capacity. It's just crowded because everyone on it has the same fucking Herschel backpack and leaves it on their back while on the train. So everyone is taking up double the space They should.
December 5, 2014 8:16 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Ha ha ha, I saw what you really posted. You have socialization issues, robbrat. Seek help.
December 5, 2014 8:19 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I saw that place, Pete. I'll stop in to peer around, I'm curious, but expect it to be over-priced.
December 5, 2014 8:20 PM - BirdnestHead
Hey!
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December 5, 2014 8:20 PM - petebklyn
I wonder if there is noticeable increase in ridership now that weather is getting crummy and dirty hipsters are less likely to ride bicycles.
Edited at December 5, 2014 8:20 PM
December 5, 2014 8:22 PM - Deleted
It's a good question PETE. (I dunno why my phone auto caps your name)

Also - wtf are people carrying in those bags?

Rob always carries a huge bag too. Wtf do you have in there?
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December 5, 2014 8:24 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Robbrat won't understand that Venn diagram, Birdie. It's not intellekshul enough for him.
December 5, 2014 8:26 PM - Deleted
Regarding the militarization of the police, and the interaction of the public (of all races) with the police, the statistical data ordered by Congress suggests otherwise. An excellent report by Steven Malanga of the Manhattan Institute in the most recent issue of City Journal, published today:

http://www.city-journal.org/2014/eon1204sm.html
December 5, 2014 8:27 PM - petebklyn
all caps is sign of respect.
December 5, 2014 8:29 PM - BirdnestHead
I guess that report just calls for a big ole "Blow me!"
December 5, 2014 8:31 PM - Deleted
"I guess that report just calls for a big ole "Blow me!""

I see. As you would have it.
December 5, 2014 8:32 PM - Deleted
I carry everything on my person I will need to get through a couple of days of being abducted (seriously). I never get abducted though. Getting abducted/kidnapped has been a fantasy of mine my entire life. I've said this many times.


December 5, 2014 8:34 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Explain what you think happened recently, with these young black men, benson. Please tell us why you seem to think these deaths were not the result of an excessive use of force, and directly related to institutionalized racism.
December 5, 2014 8:35 PM - Deleted
"Explain what you think happened recently, with these young black men, benson. Please tell us why you seem to think these deaths were not the result of an excessive use of force, and directly related to institutionalized racism."

I've made my arguments above.
December 5, 2014 8:37 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I almost wish you would...then could drive your abductors crazy with your b*llsh*t, and get the f*ck out of here.
December 5, 2014 8:38 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Not that I've seen, benson.
December 5, 2014 8:40 PM - Deleted
I should start committing lots of crimes. If what so many people are saying is true, then I will not face any trouble at all because of my buttercream colored skin. I don't know what to do with all this privilege.

December 5, 2014 8:41 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I'd like to see robbrat spend a week with Sheldon on Big Bang Theory. That would be entertaining!
December 5, 2014 8:41 PM - Deleted
Cobble fuck off, stop trying to conversate with me. I don't engage people like you in real life and i'd like to be able to not have to online as well.
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December 5, 2014 8:41 PM - Deleted
Cobble fuck off, stop trying to conversate with me. I don't engage people like you in real life and i'd like to be able to not have to online as well.
December 5, 2014 8:43 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Oh? Then you might want to blogicide for the 5,000,000th time, robbrat.
Edited at December 5, 2014 8:47 PM
December 5, 2014 8:43 PM - Deleted
Interesting stats but I don't think that really refutes the fact of how police interact with communities now.

Vs experience with the NYPD when she was a victim is a good example. She feels more traumatized by She was treated by the nypd than someone breaking into her home and stealing her personal belongings. That won't necessarily show up in your stats - but the vibes are there.
December 5, 2014 8:45 PM - Deleted
I was kicked and pepper sprayed by cops when I was sent to the hospital once. Not NYPD though.
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December 5, 2014 8:52 PM - Deleted
Lol rob, when you get abducted you really think the abductor is going to let you access your bag and its contents?
December 5, 2014 8:56 PM - Deleted
DH;

This does not represent progress (from the report)?

Since 1991, the peak of crime in New York, the number of yearly shooting incidents by NYPD officers has declined by more than two-thirds, from 332 to 105. The number of individuals shot and killed by police officers has fallen from 39 to 16.

As to your anecdote, my own observation (from personal experience) is that most victims of a robbery do not feel satisfied with the response by the police.
December 5, 2014 8:58 PM - Deleted
I'm no longer abductable, Randi, I don't have to worry about things like that. But the shit in my abduction bag also works well for a your house just burned down bag, your just got fired bag, your don't remember where you live bag, your stuck in a train for hours bag, your oh shit look at all that random cool stuff on the ground bag, etc etc. I feel naked without carrying a lot of shit on me.
December 5, 2014 9:05 PM - Deleted
I used to carry a lot of shit on me. I don't anymore. Not sure when that changed and why. I will analyze and get back to you.
December 5, 2014 9:06 PM - Deleted
If pressuring victims of crime not to file reports and not following proper protocol on investigation of such matters (according to the detective eventually assigned to the case) are standard operating procedure now I can see how your stats would show a downward trend.
Edited at December 5, 2014 9:06 PM
December 5, 2014 9:09 PM - Deleted
And for the record - most people I know are very happy with ACA who have it.... So I don't see how your anecdote of registering your daughter should be extrapolated as some broad condemnation of the program
December 5, 2014 9:12 PM - Deleted
Plus in the last 20 years or so people who are not violent have replaced many people who are violent. Of course there's going to be a reduction in the numbers. Recently i've visited family members whom were it not for smart phones would be very violent people. It's crazy how amazing of a pacifier those little devices are.

December 5, 2014 9:16 PM - Deleted
"And for the record - most people I know are very happy with ACA who have it.... So I don't see how your anecdote of registering your daughter should be extrapolated as some broad condemnation of the program"

I would challenge you to find any post where I claimed that my experience with the ACA should be extrapolated to the public at large. The only statement I have made is that we experienced first-hand many of the things that were reported in the press (the policy cancellations, the problems with the web-site the limited choice of doctors, etc.).

I rely upon polls to see how the public feels about it. The ones I have seen would suggest that it is an unpopular program.
December 5, 2014 9:28 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
My two personal friends who were able to get health insurance, especially the 62 yr old immigrant, are very happy to have it. That's not to say it was without issues in the process, but they got it! And every one of us knows how important it is to have it.
December 5, 2014 9:30 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Oh please, benson, you've kvetched and complained about ACA from day one. Give it up.
December 5, 2014 9:33 PM - dibs
Cobble always makes the evening so enjoyable.
December 5, 2014 9:35 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Just like you make the daytime so enjoyable? : P
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December 5, 2014 9:37 PM - Deleted
I find it's best to ignore her shenanigans Dave. I think she has socialization issues!


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December 5, 2014 9:38 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
We're watching the Springsteen tribute on PBS. Some great musicians.
December 5, 2014 9:50 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
41 Shots ... And it's still happening. What's it going to take?
Edited at December 5, 2014 9:50 PM
December 5, 2014 10:25 PM - Partridge
The madness is scheduled to begin tomorrow but rain is in the forecast. That might mean Sunday instead.

I have never been more ready.
December 5, 2014 10:25 PM - pepper
GE. Holiday party was better this year than last, even though it was exactly the same.
December 5, 2014 10:31 PM - pepper
No crabcake sliders for us, Scott. We prolly had the cheap menu. Food is not at all excellent there, though I always enjoy the potatoes au gratin. The warm cherry crepes with vanilla ice cream were the highlight, and I don't really enjoy sweets that much.
December 5, 2014 10:32 PM - Partridge
Glad it was fun. Did you eat lobster?
December 5, 2014 10:32 PM - Deleted
Now that I have my own business, I don't get treated to a holiday party. Maybe I should throw a party for myself?
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December 5, 2014 10:38 PM - pepper
Maybe you should throw a party for all the little children you deprived of heat, Benson ;o)
December 5, 2014 10:39 PM - Partridge
I'm having a Holiday Dinner with my staff.
December 5, 2014 10:39 PM - pepper
No. But there was lobster bisque that everyone thought smelled weird.
December 5, 2014 10:40 PM - Deleted
Hey, that Pediatrics office loves me now. They had a long-term issue with their heat. Looking at the units computer control program, I was able to figure out why.
December 5, 2014 10:40 PM - pepper
You and stockboy? Where?
December 5, 2014 10:41 PM - Deleted
"stockboy"

condescending
December 5, 2014 10:41 PM - pepper
Just teasing, Benson. Good you were able to figure it out and keep them toasty through the winter.
December 5, 2014 10:43 PM - rf
Not winter yet!
December 5, 2014 10:43 PM - pepper
That's Part's name for him. Should I call him a Merchandise Transportation and Restocking Professional?
December 5, 2014 10:44 PM - Partridge
Stockboy, his GF and a holiday helper. Venue TBA but date set.
December 5, 2014 10:46 PM - pepper
Very nice of you, Bosslady. Enjoy!
December 5, 2014 10:49 PM - Partridge
Every shopgirl should have a stockboy.
December 5, 2014 10:51 PM - pepper
Indeed!
December 5, 2014 11:03 PM - sixyearsandcounting
GM.

"I'm willing to have a conversation about the use of the police, and I believe a lot of Americans are. I'm not going to have such a conversation with rable-rousers."

If you're willing to have a serious conversation about a topic, you don't get to pick who you're going to have the conversation with.
December 5, 2014 11:04 PM - Partridge
It would seem that when so many people are willing to sacrifice their personal time and energies on a cause which upsets them enough to take it to the streets in protest, when those same people are organized, peaceful and respectful - they are right. Things need to change.
December 5, 2014 11:07 PM - Partridge
Good morning, Six.
December 5, 2014 11:10 PM - Legion
It has the appearance of more conniving and strategizing by Leftist organizations.
They are using these incidents to continue advancing their agendas by driving a wedge in society using the predictable and tired "race" issue.

The protests are organized by the usual suspects.
December 5, 2014 11:10 PM - Partridge
301?
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December 5, 2014 11:13 PM - pepper
Yup. Well done.

So, is tomorrow when it starts getting really nuts for you, Part?
December 5, 2014 11:13 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
GM, Six.

In what other venue can so many come together spontaneously, in a timely manner, and SPEAK OUT than a public protest? It's pretty natural to me.
December 5, 2014 11:15 PM - Legion
It's contrived.
The groups are well known and Leftist.
Throw in Sharpton as leader and that speaks for itself.
Our mayor is simply useless.
December 5, 2014 11:18 PM - Partridge
I remember the days when cops would give young kids a talking to. Even mentor them. When hooker and junkies were treated with respect. I just can't imagine any of that happening today.
December 5, 2014 11:25 PM - Partridge
Yes, la fête commence! These three weekends beginning tomorrow are the big days. Next weekend and following bigger than this one. All good, I hope, I pray.
December 5, 2014 11:26 PM - Deleted
"It would seem that when so many people are willing to sacrifice their personal time and energies on a cause which upsets them enough to take it to the streets in protest, when those same people are organized, peaceful and respectful - they are right. Things need to change."

Silliest comment of the day.
December 5, 2014 11:28 PM - Deleted
"It would seem that when so many people are willing to sacrifice their personal time and energies on a cause which upsets them enough to take it to the streets in protest, when those same people are organized, peaceful and respectful - they are right. Things need to change.""

The group that has been able to mobilize the most people "on the street" in the past 10 years is the Tea party. I'm sure you apply the same logic to them.
Edited at December 5, 2014 11:28 PM
December 5, 2014 11:29 PM - pepper
Well, good luck! Will S be helping you throughout?
December 5, 2014 11:31 PM - Deleted
"If you're willing to have a serious conversation about a topic, you don't get to pick who you're going to have the conversation with."

Oh really? Says who? There are plenty of movements I've ignored, and it's worked out for the best.


December 5, 2014 11:32 PM - Deleted
Partridge;

You win.

Good night.
December 5, 2014 11:33 PM - DeLepp
Olive oil and wine bar on Smith is open, was packed when I walked by earlier tonight.
December 5, 2014 11:35 PM - Legion
We've got quite a few folks in the late night OT beer summit this evening!
December 5, 2014 11:38 PM - Partridge
No, no, don't be so modest. You clearly won the silliest comment of the day with this brilliant comment:

"I'm not going to have such a conversation with rable-rousers."
December 5, 2014 11:39 PM - DeLepp
Liquor before beer all clear...
December 5, 2014 11:39 PM - pepper
Cheers, Legion!
December 5, 2014 11:40 PM - pepper
You think it was maybe the soft opening, DeLepp?
December 5, 2014 11:40 PM - Deleted
Legion, my man. Pass down a beer.
December 5, 2014 11:45 PM - Legion
Cheers pepper and good night everyone.
I'll leave with this random great song from the 80's.

The Stranglers: Always the Sun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um9kd-mhhK4

How many times have you woken up
And prayed for the rain?
How many times have you seen
The papers apportion the blame?

Who gets to say?
Who gets the work and who gets to play?
I was always told at school
Everybody should get the same

How many times have you been told
If you don't ask you don't get?
How many liars have taken your money
Your mother said you shouldn't bet?

Who has the fun?
Is it always the man with the gun?
Someone must have told him
If you work too hard you can sweat

There's always the sun
There's always the sun
Always, always, always the sun

How many times have the weathermen told you
Stories that made you laugh?
You know it's not unlike the politician
And the leaders when they do things by half

But who gets the job
Of pushing the knob?
That sort of responsibility
You draw straws for if you're mad enough

There's always the sun
There's always the sun
Always, always, always the sun

There's always the sun
There's always the sun
Always, always, always the sun

There's always the sun
There's always the sun
Always, always, always the sun

Always the sun
Always the sun

There's always the sun
There's always the sun
Always, always, always the sun

There's always the sun
There's always the sun
Always, always, always the sun




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December 5, 2014 11:46 PM - DeLepp
Maybe. Was raining hard(lolzz) so didn't case the joint.
Edited at December 5, 2014 11:46 PM
December 5, 2014 11:46 PM - Legion
...cheers benson
Edited at December 5, 2014 11:46 PM
December 5, 2014 11:53 PM - MontroseMorris
Late to the party, but catching up:

"No of course you didn't. You stayed silent during the whole brouhaha." from Dave re: Christie - I say, "Better to say nothing and remain wise, than mouth off and prove yourself a fool." Great proverb, you should take its advice.

"The groups are well known and Leftist. Throw in Sharpton as leader and that speaks for itself." as per Legion - Ah, the Sharpton/Leftist boogie man. This is so old it has cobwebs. Not to mention patently untrue on both accounts.

"I'm not going to have such a conversation with rable-rousers." words from Benson. - Everyone else took care of this. Far be it from me to point out you can't spell. What are "rable?"

Rob's drivel - Well, it's drivel.

There's more, especially the usual paranoid fantasies from Legion, but why bother?
December 6, 2014 6:01 AM - dibs
High horse, once again^^^^^^^^^^