Odd Couple Day OT
November 13, 2014 7:35 AM - dibs
Happy Odd Couple Day.

What is Odd Couple Day?

The day Felix was asked to remove himself from his place of residence, of course.

What does it mean?

Anything you want. Or nothing.

Anyway, happy Odd Couple Day.

"On November 13, Felix Unger was asked to remove himself from his place of residence. (Unger's unseen wife slams door, only to reopen it and angrily hand Felix his saucepan) That request came from his wife. Deep down, he knew she was right, but he also knew that someday, he would return to her. With nowhere else to go, he appeared at the home of his childhood friend, Oscar Madison. Sometime earlier, Madison's wife had thrown him out, requesting that he never return. Can two divorced men share an apartment without driving each other crazy?"

This opening narration was featured during the show's first and second seasons (in the U.S. DVD release, it is also used in the third season set). It was narrated by voice actor Bill Woodson.

308 comments
November 13, 2014 7:40 AM - dibs
You and dh.
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#1
November 13, 2014 7:42 AM - Deleted
Wuts odd couple?
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#2
November 13, 2014 7:44 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
More like you and randi.

GM
#3
November 13, 2014 7:45 AM - Deleted
T.V.'s first covert Gay couple...

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November 13, 2014 7:52 AM - Partridge
GM
#5
November 13, 2014 7:53 AM - Deleted
Ok then...

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Someday this war is gonna end...
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#6
November 13, 2014 7:54 AM - Deleted
What, are we fucked today? Any mushroom clouds on the horizon?
#7
November 13, 2014 7:58 AM - dibs
Or you and BnH, posting at the same time here from different rooms.
#8
November 13, 2014 8:00 AM - Deleted
Hey that's my line!
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#9
November 13, 2014 8:01 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
Me and BnH makes no sense.

Why does it bother you people if BnH and I post from opposite ends of the apt, the same room, or at the same time?
#10
November 13, 2014 8:02 AM - Deleted
"What, are we fucked today? Any mushroom clouds on the horizon?"
We're not Fucked, you are and you are and you are and so on...
However The Stock Market is in Blow Off Mode, look at that shit go!
The Big Boys are window dressing for year end statements and Xmas shopping, can't let the market crash until next year!

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#11
November 13, 2014 8:03 AM - dibs
"However The Stock Market is in Blow Off Mode, look at that shit go!"

Which market are you looking at?????


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November 13, 2014 8:05 AM - Deleted
The What
Someday this war is gonna end..
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#13
November 13, 2014 8:08 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
That's one of BnH's favorite quotes, What.
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November 13, 2014 8:08 AM - Deleted
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#15
November 13, 2014 8:10 AM - Deleted
Great quote.
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#16
November 13, 2014 8:11 AM - Deleted
Benson likes palin because she has nice jugs.
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#17
November 13, 2014 8:11 AM - dibs
^^
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#18
November 13, 2014 8:11 AM - Deleted
And was Kinda sorta right about Ukraine.
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November 13, 2014 8:13 AM - Deleted
‘Cartell’ Chat Room Traders Boasted of Whacking FX Market
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-13/-cartell-chat-room-traders-boasted-of-whacking-fx-market.html

In an early morning chat, three senior currency traders at some of the world’s biggest banks weighed the pros and cons of admitting a fourth member to their private instant-message group.

The traders -- from Citigroup Inc. (C), JPMorgan Chase & Co. and UBS AG (UBSN) -- had worked together for years to manipulate the $5.3 trillion-a-day currency market by sharing details of client orders and coordinating trading strategies, two people with knowledge of a global investigation into the foreign-exchange market said last year. While adding a new recruit would bolster their strength, they worried he couldn’t be trusted to put the group’s interests ahead of his firm’s.

“Will he tell the rest of desk stuff,” Richard Usher, JPMorgan’s chief London-based dealer, wrote in the chat published yesterday by the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission. “Or god forbid his nyk,” he said, referring to the New York trading desk.

Broken Benchmarks

“That’s the really imp[ortant] q[uestion],” replied Citigroup’s London-based head of European spot trading, Rohan Ramchandani. “Don’t want other numpty’s to know. Is he gonna protect us like we protect each other.”

The undated conversation and hundreds of others form the bedrock of investigations that yesterday saw regulators penalize six banks, including Citigroup, JPMorgan (JPM) and UBS, a record $4.3 billion for rigging foreign-exchange benchmarks. The transcripts show traders boasting about “whacking” and “double teaming” the market and congratulating one another when plans paid off. The fines are the first wave of sanctions against banks and could be followed by criminal charges.

Core Attack

“It was an attack at the core of what the markets are about,” John McFall, a Labour member of the U.K. House of Lords, said today. “It should be about transparency and serving the public, and on both of those grounds it was rigged. You’re talking about culture and change. It shows we haven’t seen that yet.”

The three traders at Citigroup, JPMorgan and UBS eventually agreed to let the newcomer join because he would “add huge value to this cartell,” one wrote. He was admitted for a month-long trial and told “mess this up and sleep with one eye open at night.”

While Usher and Ramchandani weren’t named in the document released by the CFTC, their identities were confirmed by two people with knowledge of the probes who asked not to be named because some details of the settlement remain private. The other traders couldn’t be identified. Ramchandani, who was fired by Citigroup earlier this year, and Usher, who left JPMorgan after being put on leave in 2013, declined to comment. They haven’t been accused of wrongdoing by authorities.

3 Musketeers

The traders, and others at banks including HSBC Holdings Plc (HSBA) and Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc, would congregate in chat rooms an hour or so before benchmark rates are set to discuss their aggregate trading positions and how to execute them to their mutual benefit, according to statements and transcripts released yesterday by U.S., U.K. and Swiss regulators. The groups dubbed themselves “the 3 musketeers,” “1 team, 1 dream” and “the A-team,” Britain’s Financial Conduct Authority said.

“The trader at the center of this investigation, very disappointing behavior, very serious on his part,” JPMorgan’s commercial bank chief Doug Petno said at a conference in New York yesterday hosted by Bank of America Corp. (BAC) “It’s a reminder that the behaviors of a single individual define a company and so it’s something that we’re super focused on as a business.”

‘The Oxygen’

A lawyer for Usher didn’t immediately respond to an e-mail seeking comment on Petno’s remarks.

The fines arose from traders’ attempts to manipulate the WM/Reuters currency benchmark, which is used to determine the value of $3.6 trillion in index tracker funds around the world. The rate, known as the fix, is set for more than 130 currencies by taking a snapshot of trades in the 30 seconds before and after 4 p.m. in London.

“Foreign exchange is the oxygen for international trade,” Bill Michael, head of Europe, Middle East and Africa financial services for KPMG LLP in London, said today. It’s “a betrayal of the notion that banks will act in the best interest of the customer.”

From at least January 2008 through early 2012 traders adopted an array of strategies to maximize their profits at the fix, regulators said. If one of them had orders that ran counter to the rest of the group, he would attempt to offload his position with an unsuspecting counterpart at another bank to avoid clashing with co-conspirators.

Traders’ ‘Ammo’

If the traders all had orders in the same direction, they would seek to turbocharge any price moves. In the minutes before the fix, they would attempt to sniff out any banks with large orders in the other direction and trade with them in advance, a process known in the market as “taking out the filth.” At other times they would trade with third parties outside the chat room with the intention of giving them orders in the same direction to execute at the fix.

Sometimes they would transfer their orders, known as “ammo,” in a particular currency pair to one trader, or divvy up the orders between two traders who worked together to maximize their impact on the fix, regulators said.

After establishing that they both had a lot of euros to sell in exchange for dollars at the fix one day, Usher and Ramchandani agreed to join forces, according to a transcript published by the CFTC without a date. Usher, a former RBS trader, was the moderator of the chat room known as “The Cartel,” people with knowledge of the matter said in December. Ramchandani joined Citigroup’s trading desk after graduating from the University of Pennsylvania with a degree in economics.

‘Double Team’

“Tell you what, lets double team it. How much you got,” Usher asked about eight minutes before that day’s fix.

“ok. 300. U?” his counterpart at Citigroup replied. “ok ill give you 500 more,” said Usher.

Even colluding with one another was no guarantee traders would succeed in moving the rate. The market moved against Ramchandani and Usher that day, and they lost money, according to the transcript. On other occasions they boasted of making hundreds of thousands of dollars on a trade.

“The traders put their own interest ahead of their customers, they manipulated the market -- or attempted to manipulate the market -- and abused the trust of the public,” FCA CEO Martin Wheatley told reporters at a briefing in London yesterday, without identifying which traders he was talking about. The regulator will press firms to review their bonus plans and claw back payments already made.

The fines were the largest the British regulator has imposed and mark the first time it has entered into a group bank settlement.

‘Murkier Side’

Some foreign-exchange traders became concerned that their own communications could be problematic as their banks prepared to settle with regulators over allegations of rigging another benchmark, the London interbank offered rate, in 2012. In March of that year, an unidentified JPMorgan trader asked the bank’s compliance team what procedures they had in place about sharing information in chat rooms with traders at other firms ahead of the fix, the FCA’s settlement with the bank shows.

That same month Niall O’Riordan, UBS’s co-chief currency dealer, called Bank of England official Martin Mallett to discuss how banks communicated ahead of the fix to seek his advice about whether the chats would raise concerns by regulators, according to a report released yesterday by the central bank. Mallett described the practices as “the murkier side of our business” and raised the issue at a meeting of senior foreign-exchange dealers in April 2012.

Mallett was dismissed Nov. 11 for “failure to adhere to the bank’s internal policies,” not as a result of the investigation, the BOE said.

Citigroup Fine

Citigroup, the world’s top currency dealer, was ordered to pay the biggest fine at about $1.02 billion, according to statements from the CFTC, FCA, the Swiss Financial Market Supervisory Authority and the Office of Comptroller of the Currency. JPMorgan will pay $1.01 billion, followed by UBS with $800 million.

RBS was fined about $634 million, HSBC $618 million and Bank of America Corp. $250 million. Barclays Plc (BARC), which had been in settlement talks, said it wasn’t ready for a deal.

More than 30 dealers have been fired, suspended, put on leave or resigned since the probes began last year. Banks are overhauling how they trade currencies to regain the trust of customers. They have capped what employees can charge for exchanging currencies, limited dealers’ access to information about customer orders and banned the use of online chat rooms, people familiar with the moves said in September.

Despite the impact their behavior had on the value of trillions of dollars of investments around the world, the traders regularly congratulated each other for successfully manipulating the market.

“Well done gents,” said one trader after one day’s fix, according to the CFTC settlement document.

“Hooray nice team work,” a trader at another bank replied.


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#20
November 13, 2014 8:13 AM - Deleted
Dibs what do you think of the Eisenhower quote?
#21
November 13, 2014 8:13 AM - dibs
Maxine….
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#22
November 13, 2014 8:14 AM - Deleted
Stop posting the whole fucking article!
#23
November 13, 2014 8:14 AM - Deleted
The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
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#24
November 13, 2014 8:16 AM - Deleted
Dibs no one tries to defend those morons so what point are you trying to make? The reason palin is so fun is because many on the right actually take her seriously.
#25
November 13, 2014 8:17 AM - dibs
If the US hadn't developed an armaments industry, we could never have won WW II. Now we are the world leader in armaments production and that is better than if someone else was the leader.
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November 13, 2014 8:18 AM - Deleted
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#27
November 13, 2014 8:18 AM - dibs
No one cares what some traders say among themselves, What. No one.
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#28
November 13, 2014 8:18 AM - Deleted
The What
Someday this war is gonna end....
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#29
November 13, 2014 8:35 AM - Deleted
You know something Dave? Watching you defend the undefenable is fucking hilarious!

The What
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#30
November 13, 2014 8:45 AM - dibs
You know something What???? I don't give a flying fuck what you care about anything..
#31
November 13, 2014 8:53 AM - Deleted
So you tell me that you don't give a fuck, LMMFAO!
MKAY....

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#32
November 13, 2014 9:02 AM - dibs
And another project begins in the series of "DIBS works with wood"
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#33
November 13, 2014 9:08 AM - Deleted
Looking good so far. What's the finish going to be?
#34
November 13, 2014 9:08 AM - Deleted
You gonna give that wood a coating of tongue oil?
#35
November 13, 2014 9:11 AM - dibs
randi +1
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#36
November 13, 2014 9:14 AM - dibs
Well, pine never stains very well so I am going to paint it. I think the only appropriate color against the salmon wall and the light of the rolling pins would be a brown.

Old Village Paint "Philadelphia Brownstone"
#37
November 13, 2014 9:17 AM - Deleted
Oh I see, that's where your Boyfriend ties your wrist down.
Does it come with a "Bite Down Stick"?

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#38
November 13, 2014 9:18 AM - dibs
I got something you can bite down on.
#39
November 13, 2014 9:19 AM - Deleted
Oh I see, you bite the wood while you're getting "The Wood"!

The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
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#40
November 13, 2014 9:24 AM - Deleted
Maybe you should add a Cell Phone Holder, to call the ambulance in case of internal bleeding.

The What
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#41
November 13, 2014 9:25 AM - Deleted
derp!
#42
November 13, 2014 9:34 AM - dibs
WMT looks to be breaking out here. With a yield of 2.4% and a doubling of the divi every 4-5 years!!!!
#43
November 13, 2014 9:49 AM - Deleted
seriously lame here today. i'll try back after lunch.
#44
November 13, 2014 9:51 AM - More4Less
Am surprised AT&T, Vz etc aren't hammered for this aggressive mobile price war
#45
November 13, 2014 9:53 AM - More4Less
Myrtle ave blocks by randi has changed a lot more than I expected - was by there the other day (and was on the look out for Brandi sighting)
#46
November 13, 2014 9:59 AM - More4Less
It's bad when one is NOT shocked reading/hearing that fx rigging story - eg we come to expect such crooked behavior from the banks. That's why I no longer have stomach to put too much money into stk mkt any more
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#47
November 13, 2014 10:03 AM - dibs
Total Financials are only 16.4% of the S&P 500.
#48
November 13, 2014 10:14 AM - More4Less
Financials are up no matter how much they reserve or pay for the big fines & litigation
#49
November 13, 2014 10:16 AM - Deleted
"Total Financials are only 16.4% of the S&P 500."

Dave defends the Criminals..

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#50
November 13, 2014 10:22 AM - dibs
More stupidity. ^^^^^^^^
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November 13, 2014 10:32 AM - Deleted
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#52
November 13, 2014 10:37 AM - pepper
GM.
#53
November 13, 2014 10:38 AM - pepper
Dave as Felix and The What as Oscar makes the most sense to me.
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#54
November 13, 2014 10:50 AM - Deleted
"Dave as Felix and The What as Oscar makes the most sense to me."

The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
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November 13, 2014 10:56 AM - pepper
;o)
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#56
November 13, 2014 10:59 AM - Partridge
Dave, I think the cut-outs for the pin handles should be spaced further apart.
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#57
November 13, 2014 11:04 AM - pepper
I think you are right, Part. In looking at it again, he'll have to find some mighty skinny rolling pins with that spacing.
#58
November 13, 2014 11:07 AM - More4Less
Those cutouts look like the roller is resting on there vs the handles
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#59
November 13, 2014 11:10 AM - Deleted
I love when people still hang onto that Eisenhower quote. At the time he made that quote, the defense budget accounted for over half of the federal budget, and 5-6% of our GDP, due to the Cold War. Eisenhower was wisely counseling that our politicians manage military procurement in line with the national interest, rather than the wants of their manufacturers.

Here we are, 50 years later, and the defense budget accounts for about 25% of the federal budget, and about 3% of our GDP. Moreover, much of this expenditure is for personnel, rather than armaments. But these facts don't prevent some from still using that quote. To me, it's a sign of intellectual laziness, and kind of akin to the old joke about a general fighting the last battle.
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November 13, 2014 11:15 AM - Partridge
I just hate these people next door. The ones with the construction site. My co-board member daydreams about how the guy will die. He is evil incarnate.

At 8am I went out to great the arriving workmen and get a look into the site to see what progress was made yesterday. I found that an edge of their corrugated metal fence had become dislodged and the sharp edge was bent backwards and protruding into the narrow walkway. Quite a hazard for pedestrians and their workmen. In addition, the entire fence which spans across their frontage, leans forward so much so that it narrows the passage by at least a foot. By law they must maintain a five foot safe passage in lieu of the sidewalk which they took over and is now located inside their fence.

I sent photos and an email to the devilman this morning alerting him of the danger and advising him that I asked the workman to temporarily fix the condition. Do you think he would he have the decency to respond??? No, not yet.
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#61
November 13, 2014 11:17 AM - Deleted
Regarding Sarah Palin: as politicians go, Palin is pretty run-of-the-mill. Like most politicians, she says her share of silly things and makes gaffes.

The great thing about Palin, however, is that she is sort of like "kryptonite" to white liberal women, and it has more to do with cultural condescension than anything. They just can't get over the fact that she doesn't her know her rightful place and doesn't shut up, so that they, the superior ones, can speak for women on all issues. Not only doesn't she not back down, she revels in their hatred.

I used to enjoy watching Donatella - let's not forget, she was our "moderate" voice - totally lose it at the mention of her name.
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#62
November 13, 2014 11:20 AM - Deleted
" as politicians go, Palin is pretty run-of-the-mill. "

do most politicians have their own basic cable reality show?
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#63
November 13, 2014 11:23 AM - Deleted
"do most politicians have their own basic cable reality show?"

Nope. Sarah got hers thanks to the "kryptonite" effect that I was talking about above. She thanks her detractors for it. Otherwise, she would have been like most losing VP candidates, fading away, relegated to being an answer to a Trivial Pursuit question.
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#64
November 13, 2014 11:24 AM - Partridge
She has a reality show? How classy.
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#65
November 13, 2014 11:25 AM - Deleted
"How classy." = kryptonite. Works every time.
#66
November 13, 2014 11:26 AM - Deleted
americans love watching train wrecks - look at her reailty tv counterparts - getting a show is hardly noble.
#67
November 13, 2014 11:27 AM - Deleted
say what you will about obama - he's unlikely to ever find himself in the same room as honey boo boo and the real housewives of atlanta
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#68
November 13, 2014 11:29 AM - Deleted
haha DH. PWND


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#69
November 13, 2014 11:30 AM - pepper
But will Biden?
#70
November 13, 2014 11:33 AM - Deleted
i think sarah palin's classiest move was quitting as governor.
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#71
November 13, 2014 11:36 AM - Partridge
I can just see her sitting with Snooki at the awards shows.
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#72
November 13, 2014 11:38 AM - Deleted
it seems to me benson is equating the ability to piss off the "other guys" as the defining qualification to run for public office.

that's the problem with this country today.
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#73
November 13, 2014 11:41 AM - Deleted
DH

Feel free to have your opinion about Palin's show. I will say this: it's a far more honest line of work than that which most ex-prominent politicians take: a lobbyist, wherein they trade on their public trust and influence. Yes, those are noble people.
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#74
November 13, 2014 11:42 AM - Deleted
oh please benson - a loan shark is a more noble job than a lobbyist - the bar you have set for Palin is so low - stop thinkin with doze nutzzz
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#75
November 13, 2014 11:43 AM - Deleted
"it seems to me benson is equating the ability to piss off the "other guys" as the defining qualification to run for public office. "

Reading comprehension issues today? I never made one statement about her qualifications for office.

I'll put it another way: she has done a service to this country in just being a lightning rod of scorn by our elites. It's very instructive to many people.
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#76
November 13, 2014 11:43 AM - MontroseMorris
Oh, please. Palin was celebrated by women when she got the nomination. She became "kryptonite" when she went off book and started talking pure nonsense and stupidity. On top of that, she got a deep dose of celebrity, and then decided that her every utterance was golden and she was THE spokesperson for the right wing of America. You go thermonuclear every time Al Sharpton does something? Well, you got Palin, who was just as un-elected a spokesperson as he ever was, and just as unwelcome.
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#77
November 13, 2014 11:45 AM - dibs
LOL, benson…..all the condemnation by our elitist liberals here is the very reason Palin remains a money making brand!!!
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#78
November 13, 2014 11:47 AM - MontroseMorris
Actually, I'm grateful to Palin for going off book, and letting us know what she really thinks, and knows. If she had stuck to the script, McCain might have been elected, and she'd be VP. Now that's a scary scenario.
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November 13, 2014 11:47 AM - Deleted
Reaper 6 Call for Air Tac Pos One Six Niner, Bravo this is Air Ops Drone Armed.....
Hellfire Away!

What It's Like to Be Black or Female in Silicon Valley
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-13/code-of-silicon-valley-minority-you-can-t-be-angry-.html

Oh look it's on Bloomberg! That's a conspiracy website right?

Ana Medina says there’s an unwritten code in Silicon Valley. She was introduced to it after her first Google Inc. (GOOG) developer conference, where a guy in her row asked if she’d scored a free ticket because she’s a girl. Someone posted a photo of her from the event and it drew a raft of comments, about her cleavage.

Her instinct was to broadcast her astonishment on Twitter, but friends talked her out of it. “‘It’s not going to be worth it,’” Medina, a 20-year-old computer sciences major, says they told her. “It was a kind of ‘shake it off, let it go’ thing.”

That can be part of the bargain for high-tech minorities, the female, black and Hispanic engineers in a business that’s been one of the greatest wealth-creation machines ever for white and Asian males. Medina got the advice Lloyd Carney always gives to newcomers. “I tell women and people of color directly, ‘Don’t you dare advocate for diversity,” says Carney, who’s 52, black and chief executive officer of Brocade Communications Systems Inc. “‘Your career would be over.’”


The men and women solving the problem -- by getting hired and promoted -- can be the least comfortable talking about it.

Sounding White

All the attention being paid to the lopsided statistics hasn’t diminished the everyday strangeness of being one of the few, according to interviews with two dozen minority engineers with experience at more than 20 companies. They say they’ve found the way to deal with many of the odd and exasperating questions, assumptions and situations is to brush them off.

So Caitie McCaffrey just laughed when the men she was chatting with at an industry party took her for someone’s girlfriend, not a developer for Microsoft Corp. (MSFT)’s Halo video game. Makinde Adeagbo learned to cut his own hair as an Apple Inc. intern because he couldn’t find a black barber and there was nobody in the office to ask.

Kate Matsudaira only sighed when industry acquaintances saw she was pregnant and asked if she was going to close her startup. Harry Sims, a wireless technology engineer and expert witness in patent trials, shrugs off the flashes of worry when trial lawyers see him in person for the first time. “My name sounds white,” he says, “and I don’t sound black.”

No Anger

On the patio at Coconuts, a Palo Alto restaurant where the Jamaica-born Carney spends so much time the owners named a drink after him, he explains that he gets it, he’s not suggesting there’s no issue. Customers often shake the hand of his white salesman first when they’re out on calls, never guessing the black guy’s the CEO.

“If that stuff makes you angry, it will hold you back,” he says. “You can’t be angry. You have to be better than that. I wish it wasn’t true, but it is.”

About 1 percent of engineers at Facebook Inc. (FB), Google and Twitter Inc. (TWTR) are black, and around 3 percent are Hispanic. For all the success of women like Sheryl Sandberg, Facebook’s chief operating officer, and Marissa Mayer, CEO of Yahoo! Inc., men fill nearly 70 percent of jobs and more than 80 percent of technical positions at leading tech companies.

More than a dozen have disclosed in the last six months how their payrolls break down. They’ve rallied around diversity, reviewing promotion practices, stepping up recruiting and holding workshops on combating unconscious bias. It took Nadella less than a day to declare he was “completely wrong” when he said women should refrain from asking for raises, advice that caused a Twitter firestorm of outrage and snickering.

Super-Minority

Brown University graduate Emuye Reynolds is a super-minority: a black woman. She’s worked as a software engineer at companies including Apple and Zite Inc. In a long-sleeve T-shirt and jeans, perched on a couch pushed up against a brick wall in a startup office, the 30-year-old says software development is an ideal job, as crazy-making as it can sometimes be to never work with a person who looks like you.

Explicit acts of discrimination and harassment aren’t the concern. Those Reynolds knows how to handle, and they’re practically nonexistent at work. It’s the isolation and the wondering that can drive you nuts. Why didn’t I get that job, why did that new hire question my authority?

“It’s death by a thousand cuts,” Reynolds says, many self-inflicted by the internal debate she has. “I see things and I think, is this because? Is this not because?” Sometimes the debate ends with, “Maybe I’m just being crazy.”

Female Geek

Kate Matsudaira understands. She would tell Reynolds that she’s not crazy, and to keep quiet about it. She takes a page from Lloyd Carney’s book.

“As soon as you put yourself in the camp of the people that talk about ‘the issues,’ you’re no longer the person that works hard,” she says, “you’re the person that spoke out.”

At 34, with Amazon.com Inc. (AMZN) and four other companies on her resume, Matsudaira’s practically one of the old guard. When she started at Microsoft in 2002, she wore cargo pants to blend in; when she was at Delve Networks Inc. in 2007, she joined a fantasy football league because that was how guys bonded.

Over the years she’s had run-ins with sexism, some amusing, like the time someone in the room at a board meeting asked her for a cup of coffee, not realizing she was a director.

Now she owns a company in Seattle, career counseling site Popforms Inc., and is in dresses and heels whenever she likes -- quite deliberately at industry parties, where she wants to stand out as a female geek.

Being Memorable

“If you speak intelligently and you’re technical and you look like a woman,” she says, “you’re memorable.” Being a woman in a boys’ club helped her career, Matsudaira says, earning her speaking gigs at conferences when organizers wanted to improve the gender ratio. She proved she knew what she was talking about, she says, and was invited back because of her knowledge, not her two X chromosomes.

While she mentors female developers, she doesn’t post about what she calls “the women in tech issue” on her blog, doesn’t publicly agitate for workforce diversity.

“I don’t want to be grouped into that category of activists,” says Matsudaira, who has computer science degrees from Harvey Mudd College and the University of Washington. “This sounds so horrible, but there are certain people who say, ‘I didn’t get the job because I’m a woman,’ and I’ll look at their resume and know they didn’t get the job because they don’t have the experience. I never want to be in that group.”

‘Awkward Conversations’

In San Francisco, at a conference table near one of the floor-to-ceiling windows at Pinterest Inc., Makinde Adeagbo says he understands what’s behind the concern about being seen as an activist: Companies under pressure to come up with the next big product want talent that can get them to the release, not rebels who’ll distract from the mission.

Still, “participating in the change you want to see in your industry shouldn’t cast a shadow on your commitment,” he says. He’s involved with groups such as Code2040, which helps blacks and Hispanics land internships, and just switched jobs at Pinterest, where he started in 2013 as an engineer, to work on fine-tuning the recruiting and training processes.

A graduate of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Adeagbo learned fast what he was up against when he arrived in Silicon Valley. Racism? Not really.

“What you do have is a lot of uncomfortable, awkward conversations,” he says, because so many in the industry just “aren’t used to having black people around.”

Color-Blind Code

Two of his most unforgettable exchanges were with white interviewers for companies he declines to name, one who asked why blacks sit at the same lunch table, another who inquired about the evolution of terms for his race, including the n-word. Adeagbo says he politely ended the conversations and declined the job offers, in one case telling a recruiter that he wasn’t interested because of a “severe cultural mismatch.”

That was before he got his first full-time job, at Facebook in 2007. Now 29 and established, he figures he won’t have to go through that again -- and maybe, today, it wouldn’t happen. The vaunted Silicon Valley meritocracy may not make it easy for people who don’t look like Mark Zuckerberg, he says, “but if you kick ass, it’s recognized.” After all, “If my code doesn’t work, it’s not because I’m black or white.”

Laughing, Adeagbo runs his hand over his close-cropped hair and says yes, he continues to cut it himself. He tried a white barber during his Microsoft internship in 2004, when he was the one black on a 100-plus-member team. “My hairline survived, but just barely.” At Apple the next summer, “I finally decided, hey, this is the environment I’m going to find myself in for a long time to come, so I better learn.” He biked to Target to buy some clippers, and still uses them.

‘Not OK’

“The thing about being black in Silicon Valley is that you’re not only a minority in your workplace, but you’re a minority in your community as well,” he says, ticking off statistics: Blacks are 6 percent of the population in San Francisco and 2 percent in Palo Alto; his girlfriend was one of a handful of black women in her Stanford University class; there are seven blacks on Pinterest’s 450-person payroll.

So what’s the solution? It should be simple, according to the engineers: hire and promote more people of color and women.

Ana Medina, a junior at the University of California, Santa Cruz, plans to be one of those getting hired. She attended the Google I/O conference in June on a scholarship that covered the $900 ticket price. Now she’s ready to talk about what happened to her, because the just-let-it-go admonition from her friends in the industry doesn’t seem right.

“The advice leaves you to think you’re probably not the only one who experiences things like this,” she says, and she feels she has a responsibility to speak out. “The industry shouldn’t be like this. It’s just not OK.”

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#80
November 13, 2014 11:48 AM - Deleted
"she has done a service to this country..."

no she hasn't. we would all have been better off if McCain never chose her.
#81
November 13, 2014 11:50 AM - Deleted
OK, my work is done here. Have fun hating on Sarah!
#82
November 13, 2014 11:51 AM - dibs
From Part…

"Dave, I think the cut-outs for the pin handles should be spaced further apart."

From Pepper…

"I think you are right, Part. In looking at it again, he'll have to find some mighty skinny rolling pins with that spacing."

Two completely separate issues, dumbasses.

1.The closer thet are spaced vertically, the more rolling pins I can fit
2. They are not for the handles. They are for the pins. Therefore this holder will only be 8" wide, the length of most rolling pins which overall are usually 16" with handles.
3. The cutouts will actually hold the rolling part, not the handlers and they are big enough to accomodate even the largest diameter pins which are up to 4"
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#83
November 13, 2014 11:51 AM - Deleted
how does pointing out that palin is a fucking idiot make people "elitist liberals"?


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#84
November 13, 2014 11:53 AM - MontroseMorris
Interesting article, What.
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#85
November 13, 2014 11:53 AM - Deleted
"OK, my work is done here."

pwnd off the site. laterz.
Edited at November 13, 2014 11:53 AM
#86
November 13, 2014 11:53 AM - dibs
"So what’s the solution? It should be simple, according to the engineers: hire and promote more people of color and women."

Only if they are qualified.
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#87
November 13, 2014 11:56 AM - Deleted
"pwnd off the site"

Ok, R'andi, if that makes you feel better, run with it.
#88
November 13, 2014 11:56 AM - MontroseMorris
Why the name calling, Dave? You could have pointed out whatever without the nastiness. Why is everything a defensive war where you have to destroy the opponent for disagreeing with you? And people wonder why there aren't more people participating here.
#89
November 13, 2014 11:58 AM - dibs
MM, are you referring to me caling Pepper and Partridges "dumbasses???????"

REALLY????


GET A GRIP.

AND A CLUE ABOUT SARCASM.


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#90
November 13, 2014 11:58 AM - MontroseMorris
"So what’s the solution? It should be simple, according to the engineers: hire and promote more people of color and women."

Only if they are qualified.

Which is what almost all of the people interviewed said or implied. What's your point? No one, most especially women and people of color, want to be hired for jobs they can't do. That's utterly stupid for all concerned, and totally obliterates the chances of the situation improving.
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#91
November 13, 2014 11:59 AM - Deleted
i feel the same either way, just saying that your butthurt is showing.
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#92
November 13, 2014 12:00 PM - Deleted
This...

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#93
November 13, 2014 12:01 PM - MontroseMorris
No, Dave, I'm tired of the lack of basic civility here. We don't have conversations, we have battles. You can't disagree with anyone, because to do so makes you stupid, a moron, or an asshole. When is it going to stop?
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#94
November 13, 2014 12:02 PM - Deleted
LOL you NEVER insult anyone, what! talk about hypocrisy, dumbass.
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#95
November 13, 2014 12:02 PM - MontroseMorris
Very true, What, very true.
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#96
November 13, 2014 12:03 PM - Deleted
hahaha i just did exactly what MM was accusing dibs of doing!

sorry, what. you are just a hypocrite not a dumbass.
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#97
November 13, 2014 12:03 PM - dibs
Live with it. I'm tired of you having to make sure everything is always civil and politically correct.

It was a discussion about a rolling pin rack for christ sake.

Get a grip
#98
November 13, 2014 12:03 PM - Deleted
"LOL you NEVER insult anyone, what! talk about hypocrisy, dumbass."

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#99
November 13, 2014 12:04 PM - pepper
Ok, I looked at the wood working project pic again. I think it is the perspective. The cutouts look really small in the pic. 4" diameter seems plenty big.

Oh, and bite me, dumbass.
November 13, 2014 12:06 PM - MontroseMorris
Sure, I'm done, Dave. I see you've got yourself in a frothing lather over it, which always happens when deep down, you know you are wrong.

Have a lovely day.
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November 13, 2014 12:06 PM - Deleted
bad vibes
November 13, 2014 12:06 PM - dibs
Yes, probably just the perspective, dumbass.
Edited at November 13, 2014 12:06 PM
November 13, 2014 12:07 PM - Deleted
"It was a discussion about a rolling pin rack for christ sake."

Oh I get it, you Pwned yourself with the Rolling Pins!
Saves on Rent Boys, smart Move Dave! You should buy some gerbils from the Pet Store, for the "enhancement factor".

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Someday this war is gonna end...
Edited at November 13, 2014 12:07 PM
November 13, 2014 12:10 PM - Deleted
dave you should put your tiny hands in the picture to provide some scale.
November 13, 2014 12:12 PM - dibs
OK, MM, I admit I am wrong in the rolling pin rack discussion since it really matter so much.

You rerally are a piece of work here, up on your high horse. There's a reason it's referred to as the OT which means Open Thread…so that people can say anything about anything in any way they please

Capisci??????
November 13, 2014 12:17 PM - Deleted
"OK, MM, I admit I am wrong"

WOW THERE IS A FIRST TIME FOR EVERYTHING!!!!!
Edited at November 13, 2014 12:17 PM
November 13, 2014 12:17 PM - MontroseMorris
Can't let go of it, huh?
Edited at November 13, 2014 12:17 PM
November 13, 2014 12:18 PM - MontroseMorris
Ok, What, that's not cool. People are at work, for one thing.

Secondly, Ewwww.

I see you changed the picture. Thank goodness.
Edited at November 13, 2014 12:23 PM
November 13, 2014 12:21 PM - Deleted
"You rerally are a piece of work here, up on your high horse. There's a reason it's referred to as the OT which means Open Thread…so that people can say anything about anything in any way they please"

Ok then..

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Someday this war is gonna end...
November 13, 2014 12:23 PM - Deleted
which part of that photo is MM ewwwwing at????
November 13, 2014 12:30 PM - dibs
"can't let go of it, huh?"

LOL, what a joke. You started it for god's sake

Pick your battles, MM. You lost this pne and it really made you look petty
November 13, 2014 12:31 PM - dibs
Hey you two dumbasses.....

capisci now????
Edited at November 13, 2014 12:32 PM
November 13, 2014 12:32 PM - Deleted
So you sit on it or tie it to the bed?

The What
Someday this war is gonna end..
November 13, 2014 12:33 PM - dibs
Randi, MM is on a crusade to criticize everything that everyone here says as inappropriate. She is apparently in charge now, or at least thinks she is
Edited at November 13, 2014 12:33 PM
November 13, 2014 12:37 PM - Deleted
Serious question Dave, is it North and South or East and West?

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Edited at November 13, 2014 12:37 PM
November 13, 2014 12:37 PM - Deleted
bill cosby is a serial rapist!!
November 13, 2014 12:39 PM - Deleted
"bill cosby is a serial rapist!!"

Yeah Bill has been a Bad Boy.

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Someday this war is gonna end..
November 13, 2014 12:42 PM - Partridge
Your rack overpowers your pins. Consider breast reduction, dumbass.
November 13, 2014 12:44 PM - Deleted
i have to go with LP on this one. that ^^^^^ looks better. don't get me wrong, hanging rolling pins on the wall is stupid, but if you are going to at least make it look good.
November 13, 2014 12:45 PM - Partridge
ha!
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November 13, 2014 12:45 PM - MontroseMorris
Randi, the What originally had a highly inappropriate photo. The kind one would really not want anyone's boss to see, if they were to happen to walk by when it was on the screen.

Dave, considering you post here all day, every day, nonstop, and I don't, I really wouldn't look to me as the person who thinks they are in charge.
Edited at November 13, 2014 12:45 PM
November 13, 2014 12:46 PM - dibs
I have looked around for suitable period (nl) wrought iron hooks but have not found any. There is a guy in England making nice hooks (pic) and I may ask him to do a custom order

If I do find some, I can always get rid of the rack and use them, dumbass
Edited at November 13, 2014 12:47 PM
November 13, 2014 12:46 PM - Deleted
Where's Dave?! Testing out his new Pin Rack!

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Someday this war is gonna end...
November 13, 2014 12:48 PM - Deleted
MM i know the picture. i was wondering if your ewwww was in reaction to the 12" black schlong or the tiny white pecker or the boobs????
November 13, 2014 12:48 PM - dibs
What's mom goes out to buy him a Table Talk pie at the bodega.
November 13, 2014 12:51 PM - Partridge
I sell iron brackets that might work in supporting the handles. Of course they are not period. I'll take some measurements and a photo later.
November 13, 2014 12:52 PM - Deleted
DIBS

Are we allowed to use the word "crusade"? Check with the Bureau on that one.
November 13, 2014 12:54 PM - Deleted
wut
November 13, 2014 12:54 PM - DeadCatBounce
" No one, ..., want to be hired for jobs they can't do."

Obviously you have little or no experience hiring people. Happens every day.
November 13, 2014 12:57 PM - Deleted
glad obama is doing this. really it is a win win for everyone- it gives the GOP another thing to criticize the president for and also does the right thing and does their job for them since they are all too chicknshit to touch immigration.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/14/us/obama-immigration.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
Edited at November 13, 2014 12:57 PM
November 13, 2014 1:00 PM - dibs
randi…ever wonder why MM only calls me out on calling Pepper and Partridge dumbasses and never when I call you one???

Just food for thought.
Edited at November 13, 2014 1:00 PM
November 13, 2014 1:01 PM - dibs
Just some more sanding and ready to prime and paint.

I am taking suggestions as to what project to do over Thanksgiving
Edited at November 13, 2014 1:14 PM
November 13, 2014 1:02 PM - Deleted
i clearly ask for and enjoy your abuse (no homo)
Edited at November 13, 2014 1:02 PM
November 13, 2014 1:04 PM - Deleted
why do you have so many rolling pins?
November 13, 2014 1:05 PM - Deleted
seriously, why would you ever need more than 1?
November 13, 2014 1:08 PM - pepper
Dave just likes to buy things.
November 13, 2014 1:08 PM - Deleted
i get the keys to the new place tomorrow.
November 13, 2014 1:08 PM - Deleted
Check the handles...

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Someday this war is gonna end...
Edited at November 13, 2014 1:08 PM
November 13, 2014 1:16 PM - dibs
I only have one rolling pin here. Have to start buying antique ones like this
Edited at November 13, 2014 1:16 PM
November 13, 2014 1:16 PM - dibs
And these great tiger maple ones….
Edited at November 13, 2014 1:16 PM
November 13, 2014 1:17 PM - Deleted
great?
November 13, 2014 1:21 PM - Deleted
Do you play "I know what this is" with your Rolling Pins???

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Someday this war is gonna end...
November 13, 2014 1:59 PM - Deleted
Wow I just read about the accusations against Bill Cosby. Somehow I missed it.

I really liked Cosby, so I'm shocked. Has he come out and said anything in response?
November 13, 2014 2:05 PM - Partridge
"I am taking suggestions as to what project to do over Thanksgiving"

Repaint that pumpkin color. I know you say salmon, but it is too bright. Kinda wrecks the country feeling to have such a clean, bright color. Maybe a softer wheat color like the door here.
November 13, 2014 2:09 PM - Deleted
yeah that orange wall is fugly.


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November 13, 2014 2:10 PM - Deleted
"Wow I just read about the accusations against Bill Cosby. Somehow I missed it."

WHAT!? That shit is old, he was in some deep shit drugging chicks and shit!
He paid off all of them, that was the time of the Cosby Show.

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Someday this war is gonna end...
Edited at November 13, 2014 2:10 PM
November 13, 2014 2:10 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I like the wheat color better than the salmon, and the pegs for the pins. Jussayin'
November 13, 2014 2:12 PM - dibs
I like the salmon color. The photo makes it look a lot more orange than it is. it's nothing like that.Maybe if you weren't such a dumbass you could come down and see it.

I in fact have a wheat color like that for the shelving here. It's Old Village "Antique Yellow" and this photo makes it look too dark.
Edited at November 13, 2014 2:15 PM
November 13, 2014 2:13 PM - Deleted
"That shit is old"

Why is it news again then?
November 13, 2014 2:19 PM - Partridge
That looks nice. Yes, I'd like to see more of that. Even with the queer personalized cat dishes. :)

When I'm not working so much, I'll come down.
November 13, 2014 2:19 PM - Deleted
because some other comedian brought it up and the clip went viral, then cosby asked the internet to meme him and all the memes were about him being a rapist and then a bunch of the accusers came out of the woodwork and were all "dufuq we've been saying this for years!!!"

can't hide from the internet.
Edited at November 13, 2014 2:19 PM
November 13, 2014 2:22 PM - Deleted
Ok thanks. I don't follow celebrity stuff, but this issue seemed to cross-over to the news.
Edited at November 13, 2014 2:22 PM
November 13, 2014 2:25 PM - dibs
"Even with the queer personalized cat dishes. "
November 13, 2014 2:27 PM - pepper
Dave prolly made the personalized cat dishes himself.
November 13, 2014 2:34 PM - dibs
$14MM HOTD

http://www.elliman.com/new-york-city/17-prospect-park-west-brooklyn-tiyhyam

Look at that tub!!!! Alas, a shower curtain in a $14MM house. Pffffft
Edited at November 13, 2014 2:34 PM
November 13, 2014 2:35 PM - dibs
MM is going to have a cow cuz I called you Bitch up there^^^^^^ She'll completely go off the rails.
November 13, 2014 2:36 PM - Deleted
yeah - hannibal burress but him on blast because Cosby lately has been a cranky old man criticizing young black male culture. Burress was basically like "ok, rapist" PWND>
Edited at November 13, 2014 2:36 PM
November 13, 2014 2:37 PM - Deleted
hannibal burress is incredibly funny, btw
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November 13, 2014 2:37 PM - Deleted
haha dibs i had the same thought. no fucking shower curtain in any house over $5mm
November 13, 2014 2:40 PM - pepper
What are you supposed to have, then. A separate shower room?
Edited at November 13, 2014 2:40 PM
November 13, 2014 2:41 PM - Deleted
shower curtain > rack full of decorative baking utensils
November 13, 2014 2:42 PM - dibs
Yes, dumbass. A designer tub and a separate walk-in shower with framelss glass enclosure.
November 13, 2014 2:43 PM - Deleted
what if it's a fancy claw foot tub?
Edited at November 13, 2014 2:43 PM
November 13, 2014 2:43 PM - dibs
dh, like the cutting boards, they are not only decorative but also utilitarian, dumbass
November 13, 2014 2:44 PM - Deleted
"shower curtain > rack full of decorative baking utensils"
PWND

pepper- YES! tub for baths and then a glass walled stand up shower. and radiant heat floors, marble tile, etc etc etc THE HOUSE IS $14mm !!!!!!
November 13, 2014 2:44 PM - Deleted
incase you have 15 friends over to chop cucumbers and make biscuits?
November 13, 2014 2:45 PM - dibs
"what if it's a fancy claw foot tub?"

Even more lame and a bigger PITA with a shower curtain.
November 13, 2014 2:46 PM - pepper
I wouldn't mind not needing a shower curtain. They always get so nasty.
November 13, 2014 2:50 PM - dibs
Is that because you only shower once a week?
November 13, 2014 2:53 PM - Deleted
"I wouldn't mind not needing a shower curtain. They always get so nasty."

Hit them with some soft scrub, and all is well.

You're welcome.
November 13, 2014 2:55 PM - dibs
More videos with more comments from Gruber on stupidity of American voters coming out.
November 13, 2014 2:55 PM - Deleted
lots of soft scrubs around here
Edited at November 13, 2014 2:55 PM
November 13, 2014 2:56 PM - DeLepp
That tub looks like a kiddie pool you would find in a backyard. Useless as a tub for anyone over 2 or not a canine.
Edited at November 13, 2014 2:56 PM
November 13, 2014 2:56 PM - Deleted
i only use green cleaning products. LOL.
November 13, 2014 2:58 PM - Deleted
do people really take baths together? that's just totally unappealing to me
Edited at November 13, 2014 2:58 PM
November 13, 2014 3:03 PM - Deleted
that's cuz you fart in the bath. BUBBLES!
Edited at November 13, 2014 3:03 PM
November 13, 2014 3:03 PM - Deleted
those are the jacuzzi jets
Edited at November 13, 2014 3:03 PM
November 13, 2014 3:06 PM - pepper
I just buy a bunch of shower curtains at once, and when they get gross, throw out and and put up a new one.
November 13, 2014 3:10 PM - Deleted
exactly pepper - maybe if republicans bought new shower curtains instead of cleaning them the economy wouldn't be in the toilet!


November 13, 2014 3:21 PM - Deleted
zzzz
Edited at November 13, 2014 3:21 PM
November 13, 2014 3:22 PM - pepper
They are just loathe to flush even a single penny away, dh.
November 13, 2014 3:36 PM - dibs
Speaking as a Republican, none of my three master baths have shower curtains.
Edited at November 13, 2014 3:36 PM
November 13, 2014 3:36 PM - Deleted
Waste not, want not!
November 13, 2014 3:44 PM - dibs
benson, they just can't get away from their spend, spen, spend mentality.
Edited at November 13, 2014 3:44 PM
November 13, 2014 3:46 PM - Deleted
wuts 'spen' ?
November 13, 2014 3:46 PM - Deleted
dibs is obviously trying to type with his rolling pins.
Edited at November 13, 2014 3:46 PM
November 13, 2014 3:58 PM - Partridge
lol, dh. Is Felix holding a rolling pin up top?
November 13, 2014 4:00 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I love a nice claw foot tub. That said, a friend of mine just ripped her's out...calling it a potential 'death-trap! Lol! She has a point. They're not the easiest to get in and out of as we get older, sadly. And shower curtains are a drag with them.
Edited at November 13, 2014 4:04 PM
November 13, 2014 4:10 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I think it's a spatula, not a rolling pin, but we should photoshop that!
November 13, 2014 4:12 PM - Partridge
WE should, shouldn't WE.
November 13, 2014 4:12 PM - dibs
Did you leave work early, Cobble???
Edited at November 13, 2014 4:12 PM
November 13, 2014 4:16 PM - petebklyn
I put shower curtain in the washing machine to clean it. Really isn't very difficult.
Clawfoots tubs look great in photo shots but I wouldn't want one.
Edited at November 13, 2014 4:16 PM
November 13, 2014 4:17 PM - DeadCatBounce
My 2 Master Baths do NOT have shower curtains.
Edited at November 13, 2014 4:17 PM
November 13, 2014 4:26 PM - dibs
Do any of you use Rain-X on the inside glass of your shower enclosures? I just did mine here today.
November 13, 2014 4:27 PM - Deleted
i leave for an hour and you guys are still talking about shower curtains!? LOSERS!
Edited at November 13, 2014 4:27 PM
November 13, 2014 4:38 PM - petebklyn
the YMCA showers don't have curtains either. Just like your fancy master baths
November 13, 2014 4:39 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
That kind of photoshop work is too fancy for me.

I'm working at home today.
Edited at November 13, 2014 4:39 PM
November 13, 2014 4:49 PM - DeLepp
No shower curtains or doors:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/13/garden/bathrooms-with-full-frontal-views.html?hpw&rref=garden&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region®ion=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well#slideshow/100000003227557/100000003227559

November 13, 2014 4:57 PM - dibs
The second bath in P-Town has a jacuzzi tub with a shower, tiled walls on two sides and glass block on third but no curtain across front. Have a drain in the floor so splashed water not an issue.

I had an ensuite master bath in Hong Kong that had a shower that had an almost full circular wrap around window from about 4' off the floor upwards. I had to get shower curtain to pull across the windows otherwise the Chinese guys wouldn't use it despite the obvious fact that there were no buildings nearby that could see in.
November 13, 2014 4:59 PM - dibs
WOW…that 215 Chystie St bath view is spectacular
November 13, 2014 5:00 PM - dibs
Camelback getting snow!!!!
November 13, 2014 5:06 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Or maybe not too difficult after all...ok, the fingers could have been finessed a bit...but hey...
Edited at November 13, 2014 5:07 PM
November 13, 2014 5:06 PM - DeLepp
Dibs and his demure chinese guys.

The urinals at the Standard hotel are the best thing about the joint. Pissing on the city.
Edited at November 13, 2014 5:06 PM
November 13, 2014 5:06 PM - petebklyn
I didn't think chinese were so into physical modesty
Edited at November 13, 2014 5:06 PM
November 13, 2014 5:08 PM - dibs
Yes, they would take quite a while to fix the shower curtain so that no one could ever possibly see through. Then I would be serenaded with the shower hawking sounds.
November 13, 2014 5:08 PM - Deleted
Where's that ?
Edited at November 13, 2014 5:08 PM
November 13, 2014 5:09 PM - DeLepp
If Oscar was standing on a stool that could have been a scene in Bucks.
Edited at November 13, 2014 5:09 PM
November 13, 2014 5:10 PM - dibs
Have to pick M up at the Doylestown SEPTA station. Don't like driving around here at night with all the fucking deer.
Edited at November 13, 2014 5:10 PM
November 13, 2014 5:13 PM - pepper
I hear fences down there are pretty perilous too, dibs. Beware!
November 13, 2014 5:16 PM - dibs
Where'd you hear that, Part????
November 13, 2014 5:18 PM - pepper
Some drunken dumbass told me.
Edited at November 13, 2014 5:18 PM
November 13, 2014 5:22 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I have to say the whole DIBS (for real or not) confusing LP & pep, and pep and LP pretending to be each other thing is pretty amusing. : )
Edited at November 13, 2014 5:22 PM
November 13, 2014 5:40 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Yay, yummy thai food for dinner, courtesy of BnH! Very exciting!
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November 13, 2014 6:03 PM - dibs
Waiting at Doylestown train station for Hubby's train to get in

November 13, 2014 6:05 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Please tell us his reaction to the rolling pin concept.
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November 13, 2014 6:21 PM - Partridge
Love it! Thanks, Cobble. Looks great. Dibs is soooo Felix. Why we haven't gone there before is surprising.
November 13, 2014 6:27 PM - Partridge
Back in the days
When I was only a lurker
I would scratch my head
with confusion.
"Who was whom?"
I'd ask myself.

So many losers,
So many nicknames,
So many inside jokes,
So many dumbasses.
November 13, 2014 6:28 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Lol...too true...he *is* so Felix-ish!
November 13, 2014 6:29 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Ha! And now you know! Sorry yet? The 5 stages of OT grief... ; )
November 13, 2014 6:38 PM - Partridge
Nah, never sorry. Y'all still make me laugh.
November 13, 2014 6:45 PM - Deleted
even benson?
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November 13, 2014 6:48 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
He's makes us laugh in an oh-brother-that's-some-happy-horsesh*t kind of way. : P
November 13, 2014 6:50 PM - Partridge
Benson's funny, very funny sometimes.
November 13, 2014 6:59 PM - DeadCatBounce
Benson has a good sense of humor.
And his "happy-horsesh*t" is usually based in solid fact.

However, you do get colorful language points for using "happy-horsesh*t" in a sentence.
Edited at November 13, 2014 6:59 PM
November 13, 2014 7:04 PM - petebklyn
you noticed he hedged but saying 'usually' based
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November 13, 2014 7:06 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Snort! Excellent point, Pete!
November 13, 2014 7:07 PM - Deleted
usually solid, sometimes gelatinous?
November 13, 2014 7:12 PM - DeadCatBounce
Hedge This!
November 13, 2014 7:22 PM - petebklyn
ah, this is the name of the new eyeglass outfit opening on smith/baltic. I could never quite make out what sign said in window with the stylized script:Anne et Valentin

From Anne et Valentin's website:
From day one, rather than trying to adapt the customer to a frame, Anne and Valentin opt for a deeper comprehension of who their customers are - how they move, live and think - in order to find, for each, the perfect frame, dedicated to the customer’s unique personality and particularities.
(lifted from PMFA)
Who writes this stuff?
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November 13, 2014 7:24 PM - dibs
What, the glasses aren't also "curated" to the customer????
November 13, 2014 7:27 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Ridiculous. Sad. Meanwhile, where are you grocery shopping, Pete?
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November 13, 2014 7:27 PM - petebklyn
I'll have to keep a lookout for all the deep and hard to comprehend customers that come to them. I can imagine plenty of you people fitting that bill.
November 13, 2014 7:28 PM - Deleted
"deeper comprehension"

lolzzzz
November 13, 2014 7:29 PM - petebklyn
I went again last night to WF. bought fish, green beans and quinoa cakes (which weren't that good --- too sweet).
Today went to sahadi's for a few things and stopped at damascus for spinach pies and meat pies.
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November 13, 2014 7:31 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Love the Damascus pies. I pick some up most times I over there. So good!
November 13, 2014 7:33 PM - rf
Does WF sell fish by the quarter-pound?
November 13, 2014 7:33 PM - rf
I just noticed today that the Met Food (that brand since the 80s) on Fulton St. between Donatella and DH is now Key Food.
November 13, 2014 7:34 PM - petebklyn
I bought about 1/2 lb.
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November 13, 2014 7:35 PM - rf
The former something-else-changed-brands-many-times supermarket on Lafayette and Grand is now Key Food too. But the Key Food further up Fulton St. between Franklin and Bedford (also there for many years, at least since 1990) went out of business.
November 13, 2014 7:39 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I still haven't been over to the WF yet. Perhaps this weekend. Good excuse for a long walk.
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November 13, 2014 7:39 PM - dibs
I just changed from the Giant to the Acme, both in Doylestown. Unfortunately I still have to go to the Giant for a better Talenti selection.
Edited at November 13, 2014 7:39 PM
November 13, 2014 7:41 PM - Deleted
Wuts talenti?
November 13, 2014 7:42 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Gelato.
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November 13, 2014 7:43 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
What kind of food snob are you! Doesn't know Talenti! Sheesh! ; )
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November 13, 2014 7:44 PM - dibs
Gelatos AND sorbets, Cobble
November 13, 2014 7:46 PM - dibs
This is their BEST…..
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November 13, 2014 7:47 PM - dibs
And this is the best sorbet….
November 13, 2014 7:48 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
...and sorbet...excuuuuuse me! : P
November 13, 2014 7:50 PM - dibs
Far be it from you to admit you weren't totally correct.
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November 13, 2014 7:51 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Oh hush. How did M react to the rolling pin idea? Did you get spontaneous buttsecks? ; )
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November 13, 2014 7:52 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I've only had the gelato.
November 13, 2014 7:52 PM - dibs
Yes, he loved it.
November 13, 2014 7:53 PM - petebklyn
I'm only excited about the Pistachio Talenti. Rest is fine but ..I'd rather a JT chocolate.
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November 13, 2014 7:54 PM - Deleted
I don't eat dessert.
November 13, 2014 7:57 PM - dibs
Maybe you should. You'd be less of a grouchy dickhead.

(MM won't mind that cuz I didn't aim it at one or more of the mean girls)
November 13, 2014 7:58 PM - Partridge
talenti
I just assumed it was another one of Dave's euphemisms for 'hot stock boy'. Perhaps Italian ones.
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November 13, 2014 7:59 PM - dibs
Now that you bring up the subject of sexual encounters, I do know a Vietnamese guy named Valentin.
Edited at November 13, 2014 7:59 PM
November 13, 2014 8:02 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Of course you do. : P
November 13, 2014 8:05 PM - dibs
Crew of hot beaners installing the marble countertops in the Charlestown house episode of This Old House
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November 13, 2014 8:06 PM - Deleted
dibs don't use me in your battle with mm!

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November 13, 2014 8:06 PM - dibs
Beautiful classic white carrera island. Looks to be over 10'
November 13, 2014 8:45 PM - Partridge
slurp, chew, chew.
November 13, 2014 8:48 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Whaddya have for dinner, LP?
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November 13, 2014 8:51 PM - Partridge
Pasta chic & zucchini.
Edited at November 13, 2014 8:51 PM
November 13, 2014 8:55 PM - Partridge
Who are you getting Thai from lately?
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November 13, 2014 8:57 PM - Partridge
Is it going to snow tonight?
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November 13, 2014 8:59 PM - Deleted
No
November 13, 2014 8:59 PM - Deleted
Maybe
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November 13, 2014 8:59 PM - Deleted
Yes
November 13, 2014 9:03 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Thai food from a place near BnH's place of employ. The best. A real hole in the wall, tiny place. Great food.
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November 13, 2014 9:14 PM - Partridge
Just reading about the origin of the term "Black Friday" as discussed by Part and Dave the other day. They are both right or wrong. Like R'andi's weather prediction.

The day's name originated in Philadelphia, where it originally was used to describe the heavy and disruptive pedestrian and vehicle traffic which would occur on the day after Thanksgiving.[5][6] Use of the term started before 1961 and began to see broader use outside Philadelphia around 1975. Later an alternative explanation was made: that retailers traditionally operated at a financial loss ("in the red") from January through November, and "Black Friday" indicates the point at which retailers begin to turn a profit, or "in the black".[5][7] For large retail chains like Walmart, their net income is positive starting from January 1, and Black Friday can boost their year to date net profit from $14 billion to $19 billion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_(shopping)
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November 13, 2014 9:20 PM - Legion
Good evening.
Do you guys realize that the comet landing is really a mission
to determine how to deflect an asteroid when the "big one" is found
hurling towards earth?

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November 13, 2014 9:29 PM - Deleted
Did not know that
Edited at November 13, 2014 9:29 PM
November 13, 2014 9:29 PM - Deleted
I figured we'd just try to nuke it
November 13, 2014 9:38 PM - rf
Citation please, Legion?
November 13, 2014 9:40 PM - Legion
You have to know how to land something on a moving target
in order to nuke it effectively.

Throwing a nuke at a rock the size of Manhattan traveling 108,000 Kilometers per hour
will only serve to aggravate it.
Edited at November 13, 2014 9:40 PM
November 13, 2014 9:45 PM - rf
The Rosetta mission will achieve many historic firsts.

* Rosetta will be the first spacecraft to orbit a comet’s nucleus.
*It will be the first spacecraft to fly alongside a comet as it heads towards the inner Solar System.
Rosetta will be the first spacecraft to examine from close proximity how a frozen comet is transformed by the warmth of the Sun.
Shortly after its arrival at Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko, the Rosetta orbiter will despatch a robotic lander for the first controlled touchdown on a comet nucleus.
*The Rosetta lander’s instruments will obtain the first images from a comet’s surface and make the first in situ analysis to find out what it is made of.
*On its way to Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko, Rosetta will pass through the main asteroid belt, with the option to be the first European close encounter with one or more of these primitive objects.
*Rosetta will be the first spacecraft ever to fly close to Jupiter’s orbit using solar cells as its main power source.

Scientists will be eagerly waiting to compare Rosetta’s results with previous studies by ESA’s Giotto spacecraft and by ground-based observatories. These have shown that comets contain complex organic molecules - compounds that are rich in carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen.

Intriguingly, these are the elements which make up nucleic acids and amino acids, the essential ingredients for life as we know it. Did life on Earth begin with the help of comet seeding? Rosetta may help us to find the answer to this fundamental question.

http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Rosetta/Europe_s_comet_chaser
November 13, 2014 9:45 PM - Partridge
Was just reading some silly post on some blogger's page about The Amazing Randi. And I quote:

"His organization JREF is famed for a long-publicized, never claimed 1,000,000 prize for anyone who can provide definitive evidence of paranormal phenomena. There is an asteroid named after him."

ASTEROID? I thought it was a typo. Maybe not?
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November 13, 2014 9:50 PM - Legion
...and now you must take the next mental leap after reading that list of objectives rf.
Sure, it will be nice to know if there are the basic building blocks of life on comets but that provides a fitting cover story to the real scientific and technical challenges of determining what the comet is made of and how to penetrate it to successfully blow it apart .
November 13, 2014 9:51 PM - Deleted
Makes sense. But Why would there have to be a cover story?
November 13, 2014 9:51 PM - Deleted
Lol the amazing randi comet!
November 13, 2014 9:54 PM - rf
So you made it up?
November 13, 2014 9:55 PM - Partridge
Careful my friend. Sometimes cover story = tinfoil hat. ;)
November 13, 2014 9:56 PM - Legion
Why a cover story?
Because they don't want humans to panic.

Check out this list of "near approaches" and keep in mind that it only
includes the last few weeks and the few weeks ahead.

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/ca/
November 13, 2014 9:59 PM - Legion
haha
since when does the power of observation and deduction
lead to the conclusion that something is "made up" or "tin foil hat" territory?

I think those terms would apply to something which is seemingly implausible and out
of sync with observed reality.
I've just given you the list of asteroids making near earth approaches within a window
of just a few weeks.
Do you really think that the international community is not considering the possibility of an
asteroid strike?
November 13, 2014 10:01 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
If a big rock hits us, we'll likely be blown to smithereens. I'm not going to worry about that. Do you seriously not have enough else to concern yourself with!?
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November 13, 2014 10:06 PM - Deleted
its obviously an obama secret muslim asteroid benghazi
November 13, 2014 10:07 PM - Partridge
But what if the big rock hits us and only half of the world's population is blown to smithereens and the remaining half find themselves adrift and out of orbit. We'll slowly freeze or burn to death! That would be terrible.
November 13, 2014 10:07 PM - Deleted
Comets hitting earth is the Cosmo's way of cleaning up the Bullshit!
Don't worry new life will take our place.

The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
November 13, 2014 10:09 PM - Deleted
Hey Legion, Dr. Fucktard is coming to your office to get a Pedicure!
Get your Hazmat suit ready!

The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
November 13, 2014 10:09 PM - Partridge
lol, you people are making me laugh!!!! That's why you exist, you know?
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November 13, 2014 10:12 PM - Legion
hahaha,
No dr. fucktards allowed in my office unless they have an ebola green card.
November 13, 2014 10:13 PM - Legion
"But what if the big rock hits us and only half of the world's population is blown to smithereens and the remaining half find themselves adrift and out of orbit. We'll slowly freeze or burn to death! That would be terrible."


...life begins on the far side of despair.
November 13, 2014 10:16 PM - Deleted
Legion be like..

The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
November 13, 2014 10:17 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
If it hits us, we're dead...end of story. And very quickly. No Mad Max Road Warrior scenarios. Pffft. Done. Over.
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November 13, 2014 10:18 PM - Deleted
""But what if the big rock hits us and only half of the world's population is blown to smithereens and the remaining half find themselves adrift and out of orbit. We'll slowly freeze or burn to death! That would be terrible."

The Government will tell us right? Right? Righ...t? R i g h t?

The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
November 13, 2014 10:21 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Personally, I don't want to know. Let me live my life until bing-bang-kaboom! I don't want to spend months agonizing about some rock headed our way. No siree, thank you!
November 13, 2014 10:22 PM - Legion
LOL,
this is a photo of me at the clinic yesterday when someone started sneezing in the waiting room:
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November 13, 2014 10:26 PM - Partridge
Legion,

With all of the known dangers that we face daily on the planet - that scholars and scientists research, teach about, lecture about and publicly work toward solving, which books are written about and Nova episodes are created about - why wouldn't they reveal that they are working toward saving us from this danger? If NASA publishes near misses, why not publish the science behind a way to protect us from our potential destruction?
November 13, 2014 10:29 PM - Legion
partridge,
for the same reason that the government didn't tell New Yorkers that they were being sprayed with
weird bacteria during their daily commute:
http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB1003703226697496080

November 13, 2014 10:32 PM - Legion
Don't get too startled though,
I'm not saying that this comet is crashing into earth.
Only that the international community is gathering important information on how to land on a moving target in space and what those targets are likely to be made of.
Trajectories, vectors, speeds, masses, etc, etc.
It's a good thing in the end.
November 13, 2014 10:42 PM - Partridge
That's my point. It is a good thing if they are working on it. Will reduce fear.
November 13, 2014 10:44 PM - Legion
Even if it is a good thing,
could you imagine the field day the press would have
if they announced the first landing on comet to study how to
avoid the extinction of mankind?

They don't have anything to gain by that except a constant
barrage of press questions about when to expect the "big one".

November 13, 2014 10:48 PM - rf
So does that mean that the Europeans (gasp!) are way ahead of us?

The European Space Agency (ESA) is Europe's gateway to space. Its mission is to shape the development of Europe's space capability and ensure that investment in space continues to deliver benefits to the citizens of Europe and the world.
http://www.esa.int/About_Us/Welcome_to_ESA
November 13, 2014 10:58 PM - Partridge
Sure, I know what you mean. SuperStorms, Snowmageddon, etc. Cometannihilation.

Good night, all.
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November 14, 2014 6:31 AM - Deleted
"Why a cover story?
Because they don't want humans to panic."

This rationale completely contradicts your stance on the "myth" of climate change. So the scientific community pushes one doomsday theory into us but keeps another hidden? Not likely. Derp.
November 14, 2014 6:33 AM - Deleted
"could you imagine the field day the press would have
if they announced the first landing on comet to study how to
avoid the extinction of mankind?"

Um, again, what about climate change????