Monday Open Thread
August 25, 2014 7:53 AM - Cobble B. Hiller

237 comments
August 25, 2014 7:53 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
GM
#1
August 25, 2014 8:03 AM - sixyearsandcounting
Hello from a very rainy Cambridge, UK.
#2
August 25, 2014 8:18 AM - dibs
GM. Beautiful here in Philly.
#3
August 25, 2014 8:32 AM - MontroseMorris
GM

Six, you certainly get around. How long are you going to be in England?
#4
August 25, 2014 8:37 AM - petebklyn
fog again here this morning but burning off quickly
#5
August 25, 2014 8:38 AM - MontroseMorris
DeLepp, I was by your house on Sat, leading a walking tour with Morgan. They did a great job power washing the house. You're going to have it painted? It looks great as it is. The brownstone is in amazing shape. It's beautiful.

If you must paint, I hope they are using a masonry paint that breathes. Half the reason brownstone spalls is because the paint traps water inside the stone.

We visited the Halloween lady in her home. Her house is great, and she is too. She has the best stories, and is incredibly creative and fun.
#6
August 25, 2014 8:39 AM - MontroseMorris
Fog burning off here, too. It's going to be a beautiful day.
#7
August 25, 2014 8:41 AM - dibs
"Josh Treuhaft, a recent graduate of the design for social innovation master's program at the School of Visual Arts, has hosted seven Salvage Supperclubs, where he served past-prime food to diners inside a scrubbed down dumpster."

"the design for social innovation master's program"

Ughhhhhhhh


Plus, who wants these douches in a dumpster in front of their homes??????
#8
August 25, 2014 8:43 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
MM, The Halloween lady is the mother of one of DoBH's best friends.

Will love to see you one of these trips, let us know, and let's plan a Hunan Delight dinner?

Ok, off we go...
#9
August 25, 2014 8:43 AM - dibs
Almost 1/3 of the Citibikes are waiting repairs!!!!

http://nypost.com/2014/08/23/nearly-a-third-of-citi-bike-bicycles-stuck-in-repair-shop/
#10
August 25, 2014 8:48 AM - petebklyn
I wonder how many bottles of wine broken and wasted because of the Napa earthquake. Very sad.
#11
August 25, 2014 8:51 AM - BoerumHillScott
So, we had the house inspection on Saturday, and it was a mixed bag.
The basic structure of the house is in good shape, including exterior and interior walls, roof, and stairs.
The systems like furnace(oil burning), plumbing, water, sewer, and electrical are in decent shape, with some small issues.
A lot of flooring is in good shape, although it needs refinishing and has had some bad patching in the past.
Plenty of details are there, although this house was never a grand beauty.

On the other hand, the floor for the back half of the ground level is in horrible shape, down to the supports for the sub-floor. Apparently the idiots who built the back extension 80-90 years ago put the wood supports directly on dirt, and a lot is rotted out. At least the exterior support walls for the exterior were all masonry.

Most of of the wood outside (primarily soffits and window frames) is rotten and will need to be replaced ASAP.

The one thing that can't be fixed is low ceilings throughout - around 7 foot 9 inches.

Overall, the condition is what we were expecting, and we are moving forward.
Next stop, appraisal tomorrow.
#12
August 25, 2014 8:53 AM - dibs
Good to hear, Scott. None of that sounds insurmountable.
#13
August 25, 2014 8:55 AM - petebklyn
every floor has 7'9" ceilings? (awkward word usage - floors are the opposite of ceilings)
#14
August 25, 2014 8:57 AM - petebklyn
after dibs finishes his work at LP's, he can come by and redo everything at your place.
#15
August 25, 2014 8:58 AM - dibs
7'9" isn't too low. You've been spoiled by brownstone 13' ceilings.
Edited at August 25, 2014 8:58 AM
#16
August 25, 2014 8:59 AM - BoerumHillScott
Not all rooms are the exact same height, but basement/ground, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd all average out to around 7'9" inches.
#17
August 25, 2014 8:59 AM - MontroseMorris
Scott, are the ceilings low in the entire house, or just the extension? Seems odd they would be that low, especially on parlor floor. Too bad.

But, the rest just sounds like money that needs to be spent, : ( and all will be great. : )
Good luck with everything. I like that block.

Cobble, the daughter sounds great, her mom had great pictures. I took the train down Sat. morning, and went back home Sat evening. I couldn't stay this time, I'm super busy with projects. Speaking of which....later.


Edited at August 25, 2014 8:59 AM
#18
August 25, 2014 9:01 AM - MontroseMorris
Ceiling question answered.

I am spoiled by high ceilings. Our ceilings here are about 10 or 11 feet.
#19
August 25, 2014 9:02 AM - petebklyn
so what makes more sense....we have 4.375% mortgage on upstate house with about 6 years left. Refinance with a 30 year and have really low monthly payments at 4.25% or payoff the mortgage with HELOC 3% (tied to prime-variable) or just continue with current mortgage?
#20
August 25, 2014 9:03 AM - petebklyn
low ceiling are less of issue with dibs than bhs for obvious reasons
Edited at August 25, 2014 9:03 AM
#21
August 25, 2014 9:04 AM - BoerumHillScott
This house was/is definitely on the low end of the block.
Originally, it was a 22x25 wood frame on a 25 x 100 lot.

Here are the pics I took: http://boerumhillscott.com/pics/75_herkimer/inspection/
Unfortunately, when I got home and looked at them I realized I was so focused on the details, I did not get many good whole room pictures.

There are a couple of bad ones of me in mirrors. I went directly to the inspection after running a race Saturday morning.
Edited at August 25, 2014 9:04 AM
#22
August 25, 2014 9:06 AM - petebklyn
On my garden floor level --- with ceiling height less than 7'9" - we removed the plaster/sheetrock ceiling. Then put sheetrock
just under the subfloor between each joist. So joists are exposed but not the subfloor. Painted the joists in kitchen on that level but left others unpainted but sanded lightly.
#23
August 25, 2014 9:06 AM - BoerumHillScott
I would not think a refi with 6 years left makes sense when the rate is already low. The upfront fees will eat all of the savings, unless you need to cash from lower monthly payments.
#24
August 25, 2014 9:09 AM - petebklyn
I love the front porch and the toilet seat on top of the radiator.
#25
August 25, 2014 9:11 AM - dibs
Obvioiusly the HELOC makes more sense UNLESS it adjusts upward. Are the terms such that it can and by how much? Refinancing 4.375% to 4.25% doesn't make much sense. Exrtending to 30 years there will be more money out of pocket.

I'd just stick with the 4.375%
#26
August 25, 2014 9:13 AM - dibs
Front porch makes the house
#27
August 25, 2014 9:14 AM - DeLepp
MM, unfortunately that is not brownstone on the front. If I recall some sandstone composite which the school did way back when. Brownstone only on the quoins, lintels and stoop. I have a feeling the house originally had a brick front like 232 Clinton Ave since it was done by same architect.
#28
August 25, 2014 9:14 AM - petebklyn
heloc will adjust up with prime rate.
#29
August 25, 2014 9:15 AM - dibs
What's the max it can go up in a year???
#30
August 25, 2014 9:18 AM - DeLepp
Porch is terrific. Do all the bathrooms need work?
Edited at August 25, 2014 9:18 AM
#31
August 25, 2014 9:19 AM - DeLepp
Unless you need cash out why not just stick with 4.375%. The bother of dealing with bank may cost more in lost brain cells from frustration.
Edited at August 25, 2014 9:19 AM
#32
August 25, 2014 9:20 AM - petebklyn
it just follows prime rate...so no limit.
#33
August 25, 2014 9:20 AM - rf
Scott, maybe you should get in touch with This Old House.
#34
August 25, 2014 9:21 AM - petebklyn
true -- banks are more frustrating than any gov't entity
#35
August 25, 2014 9:22 AM - dibs
TOH has a habit of running well over budget. Serious tax inplications.
#36
August 25, 2014 9:23 AM - petebklyn
It is just that some people say you should be mortgaged and not have all that equity tied up in house. Instead should be invested in other things. Diversification.
Edited at August 25, 2014 9:23 AM
#37
August 25, 2014 9:25 AM - dibs
As long as you can earn more than your mortgage rate with your investments it makes sense to have a bigger mortgage.
#38
August 25, 2014 9:26 AM - sixyearsandcounting
11 days, MM. Two conferences, one here and one in Exeter. Staying in five different places - one Cambridge, one Exeter, and passing through London three times. Very much looking forward to not living out of a suitcase.
#39
August 25, 2014 9:28 AM - rf
Do you have luxurious digs in Abu Dhabi?
Edited at August 25, 2014 9:28 AM
#40
August 25, 2014 9:28 AM - dibs
Ughhhhh, Six. Yes, all that travel and changing rooms gets tiring.
#41
August 25, 2014 9:29 AM - petebklyn
I have friends - who in 2 years when he retires plan on selling their NJ house and moving back to NYC. Their 'planner' told them to rent not buy because no sense tying up all the money for purchase. Not sure if I agree.
(because they have no desire/need to leave money when dead and gone to heirs)
#42
August 25, 2014 9:30 AM - petebklyn
Exeter
Lolzzzzzz
#43
August 25, 2014 9:30 AM - dibs
Not sure if I agree with that either, especially in NYC. Rates will rise so locking in a low mortgage rate when rates are back up to 5% or so would be very smart.
#44
August 25, 2014 9:32 AM - BoerumHillScott
For the bathrooms, we will probably gut/enlarge the basement one, put in new sinks and lighting for 1st and 2nd, and keep 3rd as is.
The 1st and 2nd could use better looking tile eventually, but not a priority.

We will probably add a bathroom at the front of the 2nd floor, and will carve the building up into a 3 bed 2 bath rental on the front of the 2nd and the 3rd floor, and a 3 bed 3 bath for us on the ground, 1st, and back part of 2nd floor.

Of course, all of this is subject to change after meeting with architect/designer/contractor, and all still depends on a good appraisal.
#45
August 25, 2014 9:34 AM - petebklyn
my suspicious mind asks whether them selling and investing instead of re-buying just meant another 1% per year for the planner on whatever the proceeds of the house are
#46
August 25, 2014 9:35 AM - petebklyn
oops - double post
#47
August 25, 2014 9:38 AM - petebklyn
sounds like ambitious plans
#48
August 25, 2014 9:45 AM - Deleted
derp gm
#49
August 25, 2014 9:49 AM - DeLepp
That planner is looking at collecting $$$ on amount invested.
#50
August 25, 2014 9:59 AM - dibs
I doubt the planner has done forward projections of worst case rental increase scenarios.
#51
August 25, 2014 10:01 AM - petebklyn
glad I am not only one with cynical mind. Many of my friends use these planners and always say great things about them but I question how are they measuring how well they are doing for them....and how much are the fees costing them
Edited at August 25, 2014 10:01 AM
#52
August 25, 2014 10:04 AM - dibs
When I don't fully understand something, or have doubts about its validity, I run it by other people. It seems many people never do this when they are taking financial advice.
Edited at August 25, 2014 10:04 AM
#53
August 25, 2014 10:06 AM - petebklyn
that one friends planner suggested adding 'commodities' to portfolio year or 2 ago. i.e. gold I imagine. I thought to myself that sounds questionable.
#54
August 25, 2014 10:09 AM - dibs
Chasing performance. I wonder what basis was used as the explanation for adding "commodities" and what form of investments were recommended. I own a small amount of a leveraged gold fund (NUGT) but just as a form of insurance.

I have small commodity exposure in FCX, DE and CAT.

I don't really consider my oil & gas MLPs as "commodity exposure"
Edited at August 25, 2014 10:10 AM
#55
August 25, 2014 10:13 AM - petebklyn
My impression the commodities a.k.a. gold idea was for inflation hedge.
Edited at August 25, 2014 10:13 AM
#56
August 25, 2014 10:15 AM - dibs
That's the easy sell. Gold doesn't really act on inflation expectations anymore. It's a hedge against loose money policies pursued by central banks and, when inflation starts to rise, the central banks will start tightening. Gold not likely to do well. Small amount of inflation is good and good for coporate profits, therefore good for stock prices.
Edited at August 25, 2014 10:16 AM
#57
August 25, 2014 10:16 AM - dibs
And metals will move up or down given the expectations for the economy in China, since they are the largest marginal buyer.
Edited at August 25, 2014 10:18 AM
#58
August 25, 2014 10:18 AM - petebklyn
In the end - for them probably makes little difference to their life. The one will have very good pension from ATT - after working there for 35 years. I'm sure they have ton of savings because lived well below means.
Contrary to gay stereotypes of media and Dudley - most of our friends are in relationships for many decades, live frugally and come from modest upbringings.
#59
August 25, 2014 10:24 AM - dibs
Annoying customer service rep for UPS in the Philippines
#60
August 25, 2014 10:28 AM - petebklyn
at least USPS doesn't have service reps in other countries.
#61
August 25, 2014 10:29 AM - dibs
Yeah, they just have surly, lazy employees here.
Edited at August 25, 2014 10:29 AM
#62
August 25, 2014 10:29 AM - DeLepp
Are you saying they didn't start on third base?
Edited at August 25, 2014 10:29 AM
#63
August 25, 2014 11:13 AM - Deleted
zzzz
#64
August 25, 2014 11:16 AM - MontroseMorris
Ok, DeLepp. Well, the school did a decent job, at least. It's really a gorgeous building. Looking like Charles Pratt Sr's house is not a bad thing.

Enjoy, Six. It may be tiresome living out of suitcases, but it's exciting to visit and travel the world, nonetheless. You must have run out of pages on a couple of passports by now.
#65
August 25, 2014 11:26 AM - DeLepp
MM, would had really liked it if it was brick like the Pratt Sr. house as I'm more of a federal period admirer. Will have to get to tax archives one day to get photo. All I have is picture dating back to 40s where the mansion next door at 325 was still standing and it is hard to decipher what is on the front.
#66
August 25, 2014 11:37 AM - MontroseMorris
DeLepp, while we were standing with the group in front of your house, this strange guy came by and went into the yard to talk to the workers. He was Spanish, too. The power wash worker who was on the ground was looking at him like he was nuts, so I knew we'd be next. Sure enough, he interrupted me as I was talking about the house, then proceeded to talk to Morgan, since I'm only a woman. He went on for about five or six minutes on a rant about gentrification, and Morgan representing etc, etc. Since this happens a lot, we generally let them say their piece, and then move on, as most of them are pretty harmless, they just want to vent. But one of the white guys in the group interrupted him, and told him to get lost. That pissed the man off, naturally, and he got cursed out, but the guy did move on. You missed the drama.
#67
August 25, 2014 11:44 AM - dibs
"one of the white guys in the group interrupted him, and told him to get lost."

Tsk, tsk

I could comment so many different ways.
#68
August 25, 2014 11:46 AM - DeLepp
How odd. His argument is about 10 years to late. He could have learned something about the neighborhood history before he became it's King. Wish I was around so I could have told him how much the building pays in property taxes. Too bad he had to ruin that moment of the tour.
Edited at August 25, 2014 11:46 AM
#69
August 25, 2014 11:57 AM - rf
Is the sock guy still around? He's mostly ok but once he's off his medication...look out!
#70
August 25, 2014 12:03 PM - dibs
Moronic CNBC commentator asks: "As stocks keep rising, are investors finding it harder to find values and getting priced out of the markets?"

Ummmm, no, not the ones in the market. After watching the market rise for 5 years, if you didn't get in, you deserve to be "priced out."
Edited at August 25, 2014 12:03 PM
#71
August 25, 2014 12:10 PM - DeLepp
Not sure I know of sock guy. Have noticed many more schnauzers about and people singing to the angels while listening to their apple devices.
#72
August 25, 2014 12:11 PM - rf
I think dh knows the sock guy. By now he's an old-timer.
#73
August 25, 2014 12:13 PM - dibs
does dh get socks from him to stuff down the front of his pants?
#74
August 25, 2014 12:18 PM - Deleted
oh king solomon? yeah we're buddies
Edited at August 25, 2014 12:18 PM
#75
August 25, 2014 12:18 PM - Deleted
he also sells trees and incense.
#76
August 25, 2014 12:20 PM - MontroseMorris
This guy was in his late 30's, Hispanic with white, rather dated, homeboy sweatsuit with baggy shorts, gold jewelry and sunglasses. Looked like one of the gerbils from the Kia Soul commercials.

He thought the group was looking to rent or buy in Clinton Hill.

He didn't ruin the tour. He was forgotten the minute we walked into 313 Clinton, which is in pre-Halloween mode. She's got the coffins out in the living room, getting ready.
Edited at August 25, 2014 12:20 PM
#77
August 25, 2014 12:23 PM - Deleted
sounds pretty typical of the encounters i've had with "butthurt old timers" - big reason i wanna leave the nabe. only a 50 dollar rent increase though, so will probably stick around.
#78
August 25, 2014 12:24 PM - More4Less
Scott, house is not that big of a fixer. No way renov should come close to the 500-600k estimate. Half of that estimate range should get you a killer house
Edited at August 25, 2014 12:24 PM
#79
August 25, 2014 12:27 PM - DeLepp
"This guy was in his late 30's, Hispanic with white, rather dated, homeboy sweatsuit with baggy shorts, gold jewelry and sunglasses."

Wonder what he says about the "Flea"...
#80
August 25, 2014 12:27 PM - More4Less
My guess is 250k gets the house done real nice already. If you ain't doing a ton of custom millwork, 250k should be more than suffice
Edited at August 25, 2014 12:27 PM
#81
August 25, 2014 12:29 PM - dibs
I have to agree with m4l on prices.
Edited at August 25, 2014 12:29 PM
#82
August 25, 2014 12:36 PM - ilovestoops
bhs - so excited about the house! although renov is a hassle, it's wonderful to be able to get what you want rather than what prior owner wanted!

Panic this morning - frige quit working! checked elec and it's ok so the frige itself is broken. bought used from a neighbor in 2001 - decided to replace instead of trying to have fixed. it's a European model not made anymore so who knows if there's someone who could fix it anyway - Conserv, predecessor to Vestfrost. but I really loved that frige! Summit is making one the same size so that's what I'm getting. delivered tomorrow.
Edited at August 25, 2014 12:36 PM
#83
August 25, 2014 12:37 PM - ilovestoops
where the hell is my post?!
#84
August 25, 2014 12:37 PM - ilovestoops
nevermind - there it is
#85
August 25, 2014 12:40 PM - Deleted
sweet fridge bro! so shiny!
#86
August 25, 2014 12:48 PM - More4Less
Looks tall; similar to the wider fridges? 20+ Cubic ft?
Edited at August 25, 2014 12:48 PM
#87
August 25, 2014 12:51 PM - DeLepp
Summit makes 'apt' size counter depth fridges, probably 12-14 cubit feet.
#88
August 25, 2014 12:52 PM - ilovestoops
77.63 tall; 11.47 cu ft - holds a lot - don't need any larger
#89
August 25, 2014 1:08 PM - Partridge
That was a sweet fridge. RIP, fridge.

Scott the place looks great! I'm excited for you both. If I might offer advice... redo the bathrooms completely now. You will only have regrets.

Wouldn't you need an addition set of stairs to configure the rental unit as described?
#90
August 25, 2014 1:15 PM - Partridge
Possibly my new favorite. One of the few historic homes in move-in condition. Central Air, too. Southhold, North Fork.

http://tinyurl.com/pq9pq4n
#91
August 25, 2014 1:16 PM - BoerumHillScott
We are going to look at the budget and decide what to do or not.
The general thinking is that we will have x amount of money to spend, and will use it all, taking into account a budget for buffers/changes/overages of course. It then becomes a matter of how to prioritize.
Bathroom tile will be low on the priority list, but new sinks and fixtures are a definite.

Our plan is to put in a spiral stair in the back corner, connecting the enlarged kitchen to my son's room.
Edited at August 25, 2014 1:16 PM
#92
August 25, 2014 1:17 PM - dibs
That house looks very nicely done, part.
#93
August 25, 2014 1:28 PM - dibs
I'm being messaged on Yahoo IM by someone supposedly in Syria who wants me to be his agent to retrieve his funds in London.

Wouldn't most Syrians nowadays be looking to send their money to London to get it out of the country??


#94
August 25, 2014 1:28 PM - rf
Anyone offer to sell you a bridge at the end of Adams St.?
#95
August 25, 2014 1:29 PM - Deleted
lol @ yahoo IM
#96
August 25, 2014 1:29 PM - Partridge
Yeah, nice one, Dave. Go back and look at the picture of the kitchen. The table is raised by what looks like terracotta pots as rises. I have seen something similar before. Is that what I am seeing?
#97
August 25, 2014 1:31 PM - dibs
LOL…never seen that before. yes, raised a dining table to island/bar seat height.
#98
August 25, 2014 1:35 PM - dibs
dh, go post some instagram pics, loser.
#99
August 25, 2014 1:46 PM - More4Less
Scott, gut renov of bathrms cost 7-14k depending on materials used. Typical 5 x 7 bathrm cost 7-9k and should be real nice already. If using stock cabs, 35-45k kitchen should be pretty nice already. Removing, moving, adding walls etc is relatively inexpensive. New wood flooring is between 10-15 psf. When you price out each item, it shouldn't be the massive estimate of 500-600
Edited at August 25, 2014 1:46 PM
August 25, 2014 1:54 PM - Deleted
go talk to phishing bots on obsolete IM service.
August 25, 2014 1:58 PM - dibs
I don't know where I would be without dh's cutting edge tech insights.
Edited at August 25, 2014 1:59 PM
August 25, 2014 1:59 PM - BoerumHillScott
I've been doing some more estimating, and the numbers I'm coming up now are $317 base + 25% architect/general contractor/expediter = $400K.

This includes
1 brand new kitchen
1 brand new bath
2 brand new laundry hookups
2 renovated baths
Ripping up and replacing basement subfloor, doing supports right
Some new flooring, some refinished
21 new windows
Split AC systems with 9 units
Replacement of rotten wood outside
Spiral stair
New deck
New paint everywhere
Some new electrical
Lots of other little stuff
Edited at August 25, 2014 2:02 PM
August 25, 2014 2:00 PM - Deleted
hey Scott - sounds like your new crib might be very close to this place: which is excellent

http://www.yelp.com/biz/davids-brisket-house-brooklyn
August 25, 2014 2:03 PM - BoerumHillScott
That place is less than a minute walk. I like the look of it, but have not tried it out yet.
There is also a decent Indian place a minute away.
August 25, 2014 2:04 PM - dibs
Scott…bring Xing's contractor in to give you an estimate. He will itemize everything. he's good

Tommy Cheung
646-438-3589


August 25, 2014 2:06 PM - Deleted
"There is also a decent Indian place a minute away."

which one? i'm kinda on an indian kick lately and have been trying to find good delivery options
Edited at August 25, 2014 2:06 PM
August 25, 2014 2:07 PM - BoerumHillScott
Thanks.
Once the contract gets signed, we will be contacting architects and/or contractors.
There seems be more and more overlap, with a lot of design/build firms out there.

I accept all advice and recommendations.
Edited at August 25, 2014 2:07 PM
August 25, 2014 2:10 PM - pepper
"New paint everywhere"

Oh, goody. That can only mean paint chips!
Edited at August 25, 2014 2:10 PM
August 25, 2014 2:10 PM - BoerumHillScott
India House - indiahouserestaurantbk.com

Nothing too fancy or original, but good solid Indian food.

August 25, 2014 2:12 PM - BoerumHillScott
I am going to pick one paint color at random, and use it for every surface, inside and out.
Edited at August 25, 2014 2:12 PM
August 25, 2014 2:13 PM - Deleted
lime green - plz
Edited at August 25, 2014 2:13 PM
August 25, 2014 2:14 PM - dibs
Pepper, I just painted the hallway trim and MBR trim this nice Yarmouth Blue. unfortunately it wasn't up for discussion here. i fell in love with it at Deerfield.
August 25, 2014 2:15 PM - dibs
I think the clapboards would look good in Yarmouth Blue with white trim
August 25, 2014 2:15 PM - Deleted
leave it to dibs to find a paint colour with an orifice in it's name
August 25, 2014 2:16 PM - dibs
I got something right here for your orifice, dh
Edited at August 25, 2014 2:16 PM
August 25, 2014 2:18 PM - pepper
How could you deny us the pleasure of endless paint chips, dibs? I may never forgive you. ;o) Yarmouth blue looks nice, though.
August 25, 2014 2:19 PM - pepper
close yarmouth, dh.
August 25, 2014 2:20 PM - dibs
The stencilling is British Red.
Edited at August 25, 2014 2:20 PM
August 25, 2014 2:23 PM - ilovestoops
bhs: I agree with Part about doing all bathrooms at same time (and before you move in). I'm gutting mine, new everything but fixtures in same places. Using inexpensive everything but was blown away by cost of plumber. just can't believe how expensive it is. but if you've already got plumbing work to do, it would be more efficient to do it all at the same time. Tile guy is also expensive but having him put waterproof membrane on floor & walls, put in plywood for lots of grab bars, and put in niche, so not surprised by cost.
August 25, 2014 2:25 PM - ilovestoops
part: great house but I would get off balance and knock that table over for sure!
August 25, 2014 2:27 PM - dibs
Pottery Barn has very nice but relatively cheaper bathroom fixtures and accessories.
August 25, 2014 2:34 PM - dibs
I would also visit the large HD showroom in Manhattan at 59th & 3rd for bathroom fixtures. You will be surprise at the quality.

I would talk to Tommy about kitchen cabinets. The ones he got for X were very inexpensive…solid wood too
August 25, 2014 2:36 PM - More4Less
A cheap alternative to price bath vanity is use kitchen cabs with a stone counter.
August 25, 2014 2:45 PM - Deleted
i think it would be cool to have a bathroom with a urinal
August 25, 2014 2:48 PM - dibs
Like the PJ Clarke's urinals
August 25, 2014 2:48 PM - More4Less
The cruise has gotten me fatter. Panda in the mirror looks to be 6-8 lbs heavier
August 25, 2014 2:55 PM - dibs
From what I remember about the one cruise I was on, there was the opportunity for almost never ending, all-you-can-eat dining.
August 25, 2014 2:57 PM - dibs
A friend here in Philly was on the first ever all gay Norwegian cruise in the Caribbean. When the Captain was speaking at dinner abouy mid trip, he told them this was the first time in the history of their cruises thatthey had to restock liquor supplies.
August 25, 2014 3:01 PM - More4Less
Australian couple told us cruises back home are heavy boozing hence said manners here are super nice in comparison
Edited at August 25, 2014 3:01 PM
August 25, 2014 3:04 PM - pepper
Where are you cruisin' M4L?
August 25, 2014 3:05 PM - dibs
British officials close to identifying Brit who beheaded Foley
Edited at August 25, 2014 3:05 PM
August 25, 2014 3:16 PM - Deleted
i haven't been following this isis mess - sounds awful
Edited at August 25, 2014 3:16 PM
August 25, 2014 3:23 PM - dibs
I guess you don't watch the news; any news.

Oh, I forgot, you are only engaged in the cutting edge of social media
Edited at August 25, 2014 3:26 PM
August 25, 2014 3:25 PM - Deleted
didn't watch too much TV the last few days.
August 25, 2014 3:29 PM - dibs
Did randi leave for HI or just have a hissy fit and blogicide early???
Edited at August 25, 2014 3:29 PM
August 25, 2014 3:29 PM - More4Less
Bahamas, grand turk
August 25, 2014 3:32 PM - dibs
My friends P & L are going on a cruise to the caribbean next week with their 1 year old son
Edited at August 25, 2014 3:32 PM
August 25, 2014 3:41 PM - DeLepp
Not too late to get a position as Able seaman.
August 25, 2014 3:58 PM - dibs
I haven't been Able to get his seaman.
August 25, 2014 4:01 PM - Deleted
eww
August 25, 2014 4:05 PM - DeLepp
touché
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August 25, 2014 4:37 PM - petebklyn
today is day he was supposed to leave. and never come back.
August 25, 2014 4:38 PM - Deleted
he'll be back
August 25, 2014 4:43 PM - dibs
Doesn't he have WiFi on the plane???
Edited at August 25, 2014 4:42 PM
August 25, 2014 4:50 PM - dibs
He only has one friend.
Edited at August 25, 2014 4:50 PM
August 25, 2014 4:52 PM - ilovestoops
uh, oh. my frige is now working! evidently unplugging it and plugging it back in did the trick! called aj madison to cancel and they canceled right away - no hassles. never bought from them before but they were great to deal with. I had called to place the order instead of on-line because I wanted to make sure of when delivery was. however, this may be a warning that frige is going to go for good soon. at least I don't have to research where to buy like I did this am.
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August 25, 2014 4:52 PM - sixyearsandcounting
"Enjoy, Six. It may be tiresome living out of suitcases, but it's exciting to visit and travel the world, nonetheless. You must have run out of pages on a couple of passports by now."

Thanks MM. I have a 72 page passport - the usual 24 pages + 2 extra sections, one of which was added by mistake. My goal is to fill up 48 pages by the time this passport expires (2018). I'm about 2/3 of the way there.

Tonight was the grand opening of this conference - funded by various organizations from the Arabian Peninsula - and the Secretary-General of the Gulf Cooperation Council (Saudi, Oman, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, and Kuwait) took some very pointed questions. We also saw a presentation on oil prices by a well-known academic (like DC, academia is Hollywood for ugly people). Then there was a "gala dinner" in one of the Cambridge University dining halls - very high ceilings, bells rung to announce service, etc. All very English. Oh, and wine was served in spite of or perhaps because of the funders.
August 25, 2014 4:53 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Although that may sound exciting, let me clarify that there was an awful lot of awkward and boring networking going on.
August 25, 2014 4:54 PM - rf
He's busy entertaining the baby on the plane.
August 25, 2014 5:01 PM - rf
My daughter was very disappointed that the only place that stamped her new passport on our trip to Israel through France was the U.S. on the way back.
August 25, 2014 5:05 PM - pepper
I had to get new pages put in my passport at the Embassy in Lubljana when I was traveling in Central Europe.
August 25, 2014 5:06 PM - dibs
If you just transited through France then they wouldn't stamp it but why wasn't it stamped upon enterring and leaving Israel?
Edited at August 25, 2014 5:06 PM
August 25, 2014 5:07 PM - dibs
I had pages put in my passport at the embassy in Tokyo many years ago. my current passport has no stamps at all in it. needed a new one last year. I think it is my third passport.
Edited at August 25, 2014 5:08 PM
August 25, 2014 5:08 PM - petebklyn
I need to get to post office to buy some more stamps.
August 25, 2014 5:09 PM - dibs
i do too, Pete. in Carversville on Thursday. There won't be a line.
Edited at August 25, 2014 5:10 PM
August 25, 2014 5:12 PM - dibs
Tonite's menu:

Tomato and cuke salad
Soy marinated bone-in pork chops with corn on the cob and potato salad

homemade blondies
August 25, 2014 5:17 PM - rf
We were just in transit for a couple of hours in Paris but we had to go through the metal detectors again and show all our documents.

In Israel they did everything electronically. They did put a sticker on the cover of each passport.

I remember when I was in college, they would skip stamping your passport in Israel if you wanted to go to Egypt since the Egyptians wouldn't let you in if your passport had been stamped in Israel. I think they stamped an extra piece of paper instead of the passport book.
Edited at August 25, 2014 5:17 PM
August 25, 2014 5:17 PM - dibs
WTF???

The Philadelphia Public Record newspaper has apologized for using racial slurs in a photo caption depicting City Councilman Mark Squilla with a group of Asians in Chinatown, referring to some in the photo as "Chinky Winky," "Dinky Doo," and "Me Too."

The staffer was fired.
Edited at August 25, 2014 5:17 PM
August 25, 2014 5:19 PM - dibs
The only place that ever asked if I did or did not want mine stamped was Vietnam as I was there before we had resumed diplomatic relations. Could not use american credit cards there either. I got mine stamped
Edited at August 25, 2014 5:19 PM
August 25, 2014 5:27 PM - rf
How long has it been since you traveled abroad? It had been a while for me, and I noted many differences in the screening processes everywhere. Of course that makes sense!
August 25, 2014 5:31 PM - dibs
italy two years ago...no changes. nothing changes in Italy. havent been to Asia since 2006. things get easier every year over there and were never the hassle they became here. the HK and BKK airports are both very new and very large and efficient. Worst major aiport is Narita, primarily because Japanese dont want anyone visiting anyway
Edited at August 25, 2014 5:34 PM
August 25, 2014 5:37 PM - RowerChick
dh,

If you go to India House, try the Shrimp Puri-delicious and a decent sized appetizer.
August 25, 2014 5:38 PM - More4Less
What correction in stk mkt?? I just checked - after not giving an F about it the last few days. Nothing but new record highs.
Edited at August 25, 2014 5:42 PM
August 25, 2014 5:41 PM - More4Less
Besides eating a lot - the large amount of desert is what is puffing the panda. And that's me already showing tremendous restraint not consuming the bountiful baked goods (cookies, bread, brownies, etc)
Edited at August 25, 2014 5:41 PM
August 25, 2014 6:04 PM - RowerChick
In front of the house is a great rose of sharon bush. It needs some pruning big-time, but I'm sure nobody took care of it when the place was an SRO-so I'm hoping BHS and I can't do damage to it.
August 25, 2014 6:06 PM - More4Less
RC, the exterior of the house can be killer once some window trim is put on.
Edited at August 25, 2014 6:06 PM
August 25, 2014 6:09 PM - dibs
yes, it certainly will look nice. Rose of Sharon very hardy....prune away.
August 25, 2014 6:14 PM - More4Less
Randi blogicided on us again? Why?
August 25, 2014 6:18 PM - pepper
We're too addictive and distracting. He's trying to quit us cold turkey on his vacation.
Edited at August 25, 2014 6:18 PM
August 25, 2014 6:24 PM - rf
Also he is starting a new job when he gets back.
August 25, 2014 6:29 PM - More4Less
Randi will fail miserably. He lacks the conviction to quit us.
Edited at August 25, 2014 6:29 PM
August 25, 2014 6:32 PM - rf
You taking bets on when what's-his-name R*b is coming back?
Edited at August 25, 2014 6:32 PM
August 25, 2014 6:45 PM - More4Less
Rob can last longer (maybe) but he too lacks the conviction to quit us
August 25, 2014 6:49 PM - More4Less
Rf, my net10 phone rate looks to have dropped $5 (to $45). I anticipate it will drop some more as t-mobile and sprint tank prices for the mkt
August 25, 2014 6:52 PM - RowerChick
M4L,

There are cute faux shutters on the porch windows. Both our Moms want us to add the same shutters to the second and third floor windows.
August 25, 2014 6:55 PM - rf
Are you going to continue to delete all your posts? What a waste of time--who gives a shit besides the 10 (+/-) of us?

Besides, I wasn't talking to you, R*b!
August 25, 2014 7:01 PM - rf
M4L, I am locked in for a while--recently bought a Samsung Galaxy III via VirginMobile. My $35/month is fine--very rarely I use up my 300 minutes and just restart my month early. Happened maybe twice in the past year, when my dad was dying and then again a couple of weeks ago when I had to make a million calls related to my dad's memorial. I pay $45/month for my kid who gets 1200 minutes. Only had to restart her month early once. And neither of us ever used up our data. Kid looked into TMobile, AT&T, Verizon student discounts but it wasn't worth switching.
August 25, 2014 7:06 PM - Deleted
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August 25, 2014 7:11 PM - DeLepp
It cost me $29 to leave Costa Rica. Just seemed a way to employ the 20 people behind the counter.
Edited at August 25, 2014 7:11 PM
August 25, 2014 7:11 PM - rf
Ok, R*b, I guess you have time on your hands.
August 25, 2014 7:14 PM - dibs
What's with "post expired????"
August 25, 2014 7:17 PM - dibs
I have never seen a fee at any country's immigration or emigration desks. Years ago though, if there was a long line to get nto Indonesia, you could pay $20 to bypass it.

and when I was living in HK, Diana Ross made a big stink at geig a celebrity and having to wait in the long line to get in
August 25, 2014 7:17 PM - More4Less
Rf, unlimited talk & text and 500 meg data is $40/month on Net10. Recall virgin had same pricing. I anticipate all these resellers to drop prices as th big carriers drop prices close to these resellers' prices
August 25, 2014 7:20 PM - Deleted
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August 25, 2014 7:20 PM - rf
Tell me, oh mysterious one, how it is that you think I am using your name? How about R**? I don't think you can dig any dirt about me; I am very boring!

Besides, I wasn't talking to you. You are the one who started the conversation with me.
Edited at August 25, 2014 7:20 PM
August 25, 2014 7:20 PM - Deleted
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August 25, 2014 7:21 PM - rf
If I didn't have something better to do (which I do, shortly), I would make a point to copy and paste R**'s posts into my own.
August 25, 2014 7:23 PM - Deleted
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August 25, 2014 7:27 PM - Deleted
Are we really down to just 10? I thought it was more like 15.

R**, any way to convince Kazoo to come back? I miss her.
August 25, 2014 7:27 PM - rf
If you were talking to me, you'd need to leave it up a little longer. I had to go to the bathroom to pee and missed the last one! So I guess R** is acceptable.
August 25, 2014 7:36 PM - Deleted
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August 25, 2014 7:38 PM - rf
Oops, missed again. oh well.
August 25, 2014 7:38 PM - rf
That's a lot less than 10 minutes!
August 25, 2014 7:45 PM - More4Less
Huh?? Post expired???
August 25, 2014 7:46 PM - More4Less
I'll soon be MIA again as the ship goes into intl waters and I lose cell reception plus I'll be hanging out at casino
August 25, 2014 7:47 PM - dibs
Ship doesn't have WiFi???
Edited at August 25, 2014 7:47 PM
August 25, 2014 7:48 PM - rf
Gambling?
Edited at August 25, 2014 7:48 PM
August 25, 2014 7:51 PM - More4Less
Once in intl waters, Internet & cell connection is via satellite which is like 37c per minute
August 25, 2014 7:52 PM - More4Less
Of course gambling
August 25, 2014 8:08 PM - MontroseMorris
Rf, please do cut and paste. I want to see what's so damn impressive that Rob needs to redact it after 2 minutes. You'd think he was revealing the recipe for somebody's secret sauce, or giving up State secrets, instead of just insulting people, as per usual.
Edited at August 25, 2014 8:08 PM
August 25, 2014 8:09 PM - MontroseMorris
Have fun M4L. Win some money!
August 25, 2014 8:10 PM - Deleted
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August 25, 2014 8:10 PM - pepper
I prefer the posting by proxy to this post expired stuff.
Edited at August 25, 2014 8:10 PM
August 25, 2014 8:19 PM - Deleted
post expired

(am i doing this right?)
August 25, 2014 8:20 PM - pepper
post expired
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August 25, 2014 8:27 PM - dibs
P. E.
August 25, 2014 8:29 PM - petebklyn
postage required
Edited at August 25, 2014 8:29 PM
August 25, 2014 8:31 PM - pepper
no stamps
August 25, 2014 8:35 PM - petebklyn
passport expired
Edited at August 25, 2014 8:35 PM
August 25, 2014 8:37 PM - petebklyn
did M4L get benson stamp of approval for this cruise line?
August 25, 2014 8:45 PM - Partridge
I've been out. What game are we playing?

This little piggy went to market,
This little piggy stayed home,
This little piggy had roast beef,
This little piggy had none,
And this little piggy cried wee wee wee all the way home.
Edited at August 25, 2014 8:45 PM
August 25, 2014 8:50 PM - Deleted
hahaha sarah silverman

http://laist.com/2014/08/25/video_blazed_sarah_silverman_whips.php
August 25, 2014 8:52 PM - pepper
Oh, my. lol.

August 25, 2014 9:08 PM - dibs
i saw that photo a few weeks ago. i had the good sense and class not to post it.
Edited at August 25, 2014 9:09 PM
August 25, 2014 9:09 PM - dibs
Steven Colbert's lines at the Emmys really sucked
Edited at August 25, 2014 9:09 PM
August 25, 2014 9:17 PM - pepper
Yeah, you definitely out-class me, dibs.
August 25, 2014 9:21 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
F*ck you and your 'post expired', rob,...what idiocy! No one cares!

GE
Edited at August 25, 2014 9:23 PM
August 25, 2014 9:28 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Post expired.

(I'll get the hang of this...)
Edited at August 25, 2014 9:33 PM
August 25, 2014 9:53 PM - pepper
post expired
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August 25, 2014 9:56 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
my milk is expired ;-)

evening loserinos
Edited at August 25, 2014 9:56 PM
August 25, 2014 10:00 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
you all went to bed that fast? sigh. ok. i gotta snooze anyway. gotta be up at the booty crack of dawn. nite!
Edited at August 25, 2014 10:00 PM
August 25, 2014 10:03 PM - pepper
hola snaps!
Edited at August 25, 2014 10:03 PM
August 25, 2014 10:03 PM - pepper
are you back at work?

Edited at August 25, 2014 10:03 PM
August 25, 2014 10:04 PM - Partridge
Still here but fading.
August 25, 2014 10:09 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Ha ha ha!

How are you doing, Snaps? Back at work? Or is that next week?
August 25, 2014 10:10 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Jinx, pep!
Edited at August 25, 2014 10:10 PM
August 25, 2014 10:14 PM - pepper
jinx
Edited at August 25, 2014 10:14 PM
August 25, 2014 10:15 PM - Partridge
She's back.
Edited at August 25, 2014 10:15 PM
August 25, 2014 10:24 PM - Deleted
M4L;

Welcome to the fraternity of cruisers! You can now aspire to be a "Platinum Class" cruiser, in which case you get about 5 hours of free internet on board.

Jussayin.
August 25, 2014 10:24 PM - Deleted
Daughter's apartment almost all painted. Moving in day on this Friday.
Edited at August 25, 2014 10:24 PM
August 25, 2014 10:45 PM - pepper
Cool, Benson. Congrats and good luck to Benson-daughter!
August 26, 2014 12:24 AM - rf
I guess everyone is long gone. My friend Sue and I saw Boyhood tonight, all 3 hours of it. I really liked it and she did not. Maybe it's just timely for me because it ends with high school graduation/beginning of college and the mom selling her house and getting a new start.

I am thinking that I should leave NY. Too expensive, too much of a hassle to live here, although the public transportation is good for a senior-citizen-to-be. Probably not until my kid graduates from college since she'll want a familiar place to come home to, but that gives me some time to plan. My drives near Rochester last week and seeing the Texas scenery reminds me of the natural beauty that's so inconvenient here. But a place without real winter, certainly not Rochester! California is too expensive; maybe New Mexico?
August 26, 2014 12:56 AM - Kensingtonian
Cali is not that expensive for anyone who doesn't need to worry about a commute. All depends whether you need to be in LA proper and good school district. If you don't require either, it's much more affordable than Brooklyn. Prolly more like queens. Nevada can be cheap, super cheap. Or Florida.....
Edited at August 26, 2014 12:56 AM
August 26, 2014 2:05 AM - sixyearsandcounting
I was going to catch up on the OT, but half the posts expired.
Edited at August 26, 2014 2:05 AM