Friday Open Thread
March 21, 2014 7:37 AM - Cobble B. Hiller

March 21, 2014 7:43 AM - Cobble B. Hiller

These are my favorite daffodils, but it's a bit early for those yet.
March 21, 2014 7:52 AM - dibs
GM. I should have snow drops in bucks. I'll take a pic later. Dinner at vetri was incredible, so many courses. Actually had the smoked canadian goose wrapped in a bit of endive. It came with a citrus sauce. The goose was made into a sausage though had the consistency of chicken liver, raw!,,,, incredible
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March 21, 2014 7:55 AM - BirdnestHead
Yum! We may wind up at Argentinian steak restaurant this evening...
March 21, 2014 8:05 AM - dibs
And yes, though it was cooked, the endive was still bitter
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March 21, 2014 8:33 AM - dibs
Snow here Tuesday
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March 21, 2014 8:34 AM - Slope4Eva
GM. Pete, so sorry to hear of L's Mom's passing. Its been a rough year or so if I recall.
Dave, sorry about the kitty, so sad how his bro is waiting for him to come to bed, sweet. Did I read MM lost a kitty, too? Sorry.
RC, good luck with the new adventure.
March 21, 2014 8:35 AM - dibs
Who knew the Today show would ever cover the breakup of a gay marriage...Johnny Weir's. Sounds messy actually. court appearances, biting, domestic violence, money issues. Let's hear more dirt.
Edited at March 21, 2014 8:39 AM
March 21, 2014 8:50 AM - BirdnestHead
Was always a bit surprised that the divorce lawyers of America weren't rising up in a body and *demanding* that same sex marriage be legalized, stat!
March 21, 2014 8:52 AM - Partridge

How did the waitperson react to your question about the CanGoos'dive? Were you called a moron?
March 21, 2014 9:12 AM - Deleted
gm derp
March 21, 2014 9:26 AM - More4Less
TGIF and it's not bitter cold - would be nicer if it was 5-7 degrees warmer though
March 21, 2014 9:31 AM - More4Less
Will find out how much lenses cost. Just tallied my flex spend receipts and realize I still have 325 left so will go get a new pair of glasses for lovely wife. Hope the new glasses will get her to see more things my way
March 21, 2014 9:31 AM - Deleted
March 21, 2014 9:33 AM - Deleted

"objective analysis:"

March 21, 2014 9:34 AM - Deleted
yeah, i stopped reading after i got to that part
March 21, 2014 9:35 AM - Legion
yeah, objective
...just like these objects:
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March 21, 2014 9:35 AM - More4Less
Legion, I'm noticing real estate prices in ENY starting to go up a little - eg trickle-down effect from bed stuy and crown heights popping
March 21, 2014 9:35 AM - Deleted
yeah sorry. queens before east new york. silly gentrifiers
March 21, 2014 9:37 AM - More4Less
Well, big O seem to have fixed the stock market as it keeps setting all time highs
March 21, 2014 9:40 AM - More4Less
DH, other than LIC and flushing, queens hasn't seen any explosive appreciation like BK. I'm guessing Bx will pop before queens. For some reason, queens just ain't getting no real estate appreciation love
March 21, 2014 9:41 AM - Legion
Is that right M4L?
I have heard a bit about trickling gentrification around the Bway/ENY station where the A crosses the L and J lines, but very little.
That's a tough one to see through. I wouldn't go that route myself, ENY is too much of a longshot.

March 21, 2014 9:42 AM - Deleted
that shooting on the b15 last night is pretty horrifying.
March 21, 2014 9:47 AM - Legion
Yeah, I don't get how Queens is not moving as rapidly in percentage terms.
If you apply the same parameters like access to Manhattan, access to subways, schools, etc,
it would appear to be a no brainer.
LIC/Astoria seem to be on that track though.
Queens would be tough to gentrify in the way Brooklyn neighborhoods have, it's got its own vibe in each neighborhood with a strong influx of people from outher countries. For example, how would you gentrify Flushing? It's totally transformed into a unique place already. Jackson Heights the same thing, it has it's own South Asian/South American economy and vibe.
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March 21, 2014 9:49 AM - Deleted
Astoria, Ridgewood and Woodside are becoming increasingly popular.
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March 21, 2014 9:51 AM - Deleted
Ridgewood is just Bushwick spillover

I really like Sunnyside - i think that's my next stop if i move from my current crib
March 21, 2014 9:51 AM - Deleted
As far as I know, two people on this blog have tried to sign up for Obamacare (I being one of them). Their reports on the experience speak louder than any pom-poms getting bounced around.
March 21, 2014 9:54 AM - More4Less
I'm banking on the concourse area of the Bx to pop next if this current run-up in prices continue
March 21, 2014 9:55 AM - Legion
Yeah benson, Ridgewood is moving up with the M train access. You can still get good deals there.
I keep in close contact with a broker at Marcus & Millichap and he's always comparing Ridgewood to Astoria.
Woodside has a lot of room for growth. All sorts of space along the 7 train there, moving towards Queens Blvd.
March 21, 2014 9:56 AM - RowerChick
I have my first customer! She's a friend, a Sandy victim, her house is in forecloser & going through a nasty divorce, but you've got to start somewhere-right?
March 21, 2014 9:57 AM - Deleted
yeeeah RC!
March 21, 2014 9:57 AM - Deleted
BX is too far from Manhattan work and play areas.
March 21, 2014 9:57 AM - Deleted
(yeah for you having a first customer, not your customers circumstances ha)
March 21, 2014 9:58 AM - Deleted

be sure to spell check your listings ;)
March 21, 2014 9:58 AM - Deleted
u have a kid randi - you don't get to play anymore
March 21, 2014 9:58 AM - Legion

objective analysis:
I'm sure you've all been following the continued rollout of ObamaCare.
He's now rewritten the law (illegally) about 30 times.
The latest "rewrite" includes more bailouts for insurance companies threatening to hike insurance premiums due to the losses they would incur from the mandates of the law.

Basically, this administration is using billions of dollars to plug leaks in the holes that keep
popping up in this law.

When you have 2000 pages of legislation, which nobody bothered to read before signing,
what does any reasonable thinker think will happen as threads start to unravel?
I know there's a scientific or mathematical theorem which predicts this but the name escapes me.
Basically, it states that as the complexity of the system increases so does the potential for failure.

The law is not working, it's too complex and it's applied to a system inherently at odds with the stated aim of the legislation itself.

Gullible Americans think that because the law was written in Washington and is 2000 pages long it must be well thought out.
The people that wrote this law have no conception of the everyday mechanics of medicine.
They have no conception of the way the different aspects of medicine intertwine with business and society. They only know legalese and penalties.

We're on the wrong track with this and this administration knows it.
That's why they keep rewriting it and changing it.

Edited at March 21, 2014 9:58 AM
March 21, 2014 9:59 AM - Deleted
I could be wrong, but I just don't see the Bronx gentrifying anytime soon. As I once heard it described, much of the Bronx is "unbearably thick" with banal 1920's apartment buildings, built as a stepping stone from the Lower East Side to Westchester. Yes, the Grand Concourse is a beautiful boulevard but go in one block and have what I just described.
March 21, 2014 9:59 AM - Deleted

but seriously, bx is never gonna be the next brooklyn. queens has a much better chance especially if ridgewood really takes off.
March 21, 2014 10:00 AM - Legion
Congratulations RC.

March 21, 2014 10:00 AM - Deleted
"I could be wrong"

wouldn't be the first time, but right now benson and i agree. yikes

March 21, 2014 10:02 AM - Deleted
once someone invents a time machine, dibs and RC can go back in it and not sell his bed stuy place and then they could sell it now for like 500k more than he made.
March 21, 2014 10:03 AM - Deleted
Congratulations, RC. Good luck.
March 21, 2014 10:03 AM - Deleted
Congratulations, RC. Good luck.
March 21, 2014 10:03 AM - Legion
What I'm seeing in the Bronx is that the Northern sections, which were always nice (Many folks don't know for example, that JFK and RFK went to the private Riverdale school up there) have been increasingly seen as an option for middle class families looking for nice homes with trees and space.
March 21, 2014 10:11 AM - Deleted
my understanding of the bronx is that neighborhoods that have good transit are chopped up by housing projects. and the nice areas are so far north might as well burb it

kinda like how west harlem has gentrified way more than east, since east has way more projects.
March 21, 2014 10:12 AM - DeLepp
Bus shooting was awful, how senseless it is to die at the hands of a 14 year old with a pistol. If not death penalty maybe cut off his hands to he can't hold a gun.
March 21, 2014 10:14 AM - Deleted
"kinda like how west harlem has gentrified way more than east, since east has way more projects."

West Harlem also has much better housing stock than East Harlem.
March 21, 2014 10:19 AM - dibs
Legion.....Murphy's Law comes to mind
March 21, 2014 10:19 AM - dibs
out in bucks already and at the place where they will replace the windshield on the Dodge. Gonna be a nice weeknd
March 21, 2014 10:25 AM - MontroseMorris

I lived in the Bronx before I moved to Brooklyn. There are many areas besides Riverdale that could easily gentrify. Specifically near Moshulu Parkway and the Bronx Zoo and generally up along the D train line. It's less crowded than the parts of the Bronx with streets full of nothing but 6 story apartment buildings, and the stock is nicer, more Tudor 20s-30s apartment buildings, and other nice Deco buildings. Up around Woodlawn Cemetery isn't bad either, with actual houses in and around the apt buildings. I used to live up there. It's a bit of a commute, about 45 minutes to an hour to midtown, but at least you get a seat, as you are at the last, or close to the last stop on the trains. I got a lot of reading done then.

March 21, 2014 10:29 AM - dibs
part, i only asked about the goose after it came. We didnt order it, they just brought it since its a tasting menu. You can ask them for your favorite things though. We asked for the onion tart, the spinach gnochi and the pasta with wild boar ragu. We were too full to do the cheese courses so i just had an affogato which is really one of the simplest and best desserts ever invented
March 21, 2014 10:32 AM - MontroseMorris
Part's problems with her insurance were not with "Obamacare," they were with the insurance company. The ACA people were the ones who straightened it out, so hardly proof of the ACA's failure.

I had no problems signing up, either. I just don't choose to share details about it.

Part of the reason the law keeps changing is because the insurance companies keep finding ways to weasel out of their end of the deal, and the holes keep needing to be plugged. It was imperfect from the beginning due to trying to make everyone happy, especially the insurance industry. We should have gone with socialized medicine, like Canada and every other civilized nation.
March 21, 2014 10:35 AM - dibs
Many things would have been simpler than the ACA but the dems didnt want to think them through or debate them. It was just rammed through without anyone reading any of it.

Imagine if the founding fathers wrote the constitution like that. They should all be thrown out
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March 21, 2014 10:39 AM - MontroseMorris
"Many things would have been simpler than the ACA but the dems didnt wantt o think them through or debate them."

Revisionist history is a wonderful thing.
March 21, 2014 10:43 AM - Deleted

March 21, 2014 10:48 AM - Partridge
That's right, MM. The State Exchange acted as my advocate against BCBS and ultimately got the Dept of Health involved via a complaint. And to think that I have been a BCBS customer for 15-20 years.

Hooray to you, Montrose, for getting insured.

Perhaps this mess of a system will lead to socialized medicine in a few years. Perhaps a faster track than without this stepping stone system.
March 21, 2014 10:50 AM - Deleted
i don't think the founding fathers meant the constitution to be set in stone. its ridiculous that people act as if its the 10 commandments or something.
March 21, 2014 10:51 AM - Deleted
eating delicious salted carmel yogurt with granola and blackberries. yum!
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March 21, 2014 11:00 AM - dibs
Go live in the Ukraine then randi.
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March 21, 2014 11:02 AM - Deleted
March 21, 2014 11:02 AM - Deleted
"That's right, MM. The State Exchange acted as my advocate against BCBS and ultimately got the Dept of Health involved via a complaint. And to think that I have been a BCBS customer for 15-20 years. "

I gather that people have not been reading the news. What happened to partridge has been happening to thousands of people, and is due to the exchanges. The exchange is the "front-end" of the process because they must access IRS data to confirm the eligibility for subsidies. The exchange then forwards the info to the insurance company in a particular form (I can't remember the name of the form right now, but it is standardized). It has been widely reported that the exchanges have been dropping the ball on this.

The ACA was intended as a reform of the insurance market. It is laughable that its proponents now blame the companies that are the subject of this law for the failure of the mechanisms and regulations it created.

March 21, 2014 11:02 AM - pepper
Seems Citibike is having some financial trouble, it needs new money and, "its managers don't believe it can survive if it doesn't become more appealing to tourists and expand to new neighborhoods, the people familiar with the matter said."
March 21, 2014 11:03 AM - Deleted
"Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of nineteen years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right. It may be said, that the succeeding generation exercising, in fact, the power of repeal, this leaves them as free as if the constitution or law had been expressly limited to nineteen years only. In the first place, this objection admits the right, in proposing an equivalent. But the power of repeal is not an equivalent. It might be, indeed, if every form of government were so perfectly contrived, that the will of the majority could always be obtained, fairly and without impediment. But this is true of no form. The people cannot assemble themselves; their representation is unequal and vicious. Various checks are opposed to every legislative proposition. Factions get possession of the public councils, bribery corrupts them, personal interests lead them astray from the general interests of their constituents; and other impediments arise, so as to prove to every practical man, that a law of limited duration is much more manageable than one which needs a repeal." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1789. ME 7:459, Papers 15:396
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March 21, 2014 11:05 AM - DeLepp
salted caramel yogurt sounds tasty! what is the brand?
Edited at March 21, 2014 11:05 AM
March 21, 2014 11:05 AM - etson
The citibike thing in Toronto is going bust as well.

Btw, got your e-mail thanks pepper (but deleted by mistake before I had chance to reply).
Edited at March 21, 2014 11:05 AM
March 21, 2014 11:05 AM - Deleted
i thought citibikes were priced to encourage the yearly membership and discourage hourly users, but now they are saying that they need more hourly users to boost revenue?! morons. deblasio will probably bail them out.
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March 21, 2014 11:06 AM - dibs
Tl, to, dr

Too long, too old, disnt read
March 21, 2014 11:07 AM - etson
The Bronx is pretty interesting - been reading about the city a lot & along with Staten Island it's the part I know least well. I only know what I know of it through diverting off 95 / Hutch / Major Deegan when the traffic was bad.
March 21, 2014 11:08 AM - Deleted
delpp, brand is Brown Cow. i got it at whole foods. its great!
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March 21, 2014 11:09 AM - dibs

March 21, 2014 11:09 AM - pepper
Ok, good, etson. Have you moved already?
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March 21, 2014 11:10 AM - DeLepp
thanks r'andi. May have to extend my zipcar time next week to squeeze in Whole foods.

"Salted caramel on the bottom" will get a rise out of dibs.
March 21, 2014 11:11 AM - More4Less
Harlem side below the concourse area has prices pushing up pretty high and will soon price out some folks into considering crossing the river. If I can get a nice cap rate ppty there, I'll pull the trigger.

Areas too far up north in the Bx is like what DH said, might as well cross into westchester.
Edited at March 21, 2014 11:11 AM
March 21, 2014 11:12 AM - etson
No, painters are in right now & then carpets week after next.
I spent a few nights there before the work started & know the building people and a few or the neighbors.
It really turns into a neighborhood once you get east of 2nd. Planning on joining neighborhood assoc as soon as I am fully in (nh)
March 21, 2014 11:13 AM - dibs
Will never drive over the GWB and take 95 through Bronx again. Always a nightmare. If i need to take 95 for any reason I'll go allt he way up to the Tappan Zee and back down, but only take 95 when i have to drop someone off or pick them up at Stamford train station
March 21, 2014 11:13 AM - etson
I walked through Harlem a few weeks ago. Don't see what the big deal is & don't like it much. Morningside Heights is nice. One of my colleagues who is moving down soon is talking about living there.
March 21, 2014 11:14 AM - dibs
I looked at some place in W harlem when i was considering Bed Stuy but didnt wantt o spend the money. Shells were already over a million.
March 21, 2014 11:16 AM - Deleted
what's the Moonface Threat Level (MTL) in Harlem? Orange? Yellow?
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March 21, 2014 11:16 AM - Partridge
Benson, are you attempting to re-write what happened to me? Are you saying I am mistaken about the cause of my insurance problems? If so, please don't. We have been on such a loving streak!

March 21, 2014 11:16 AM - etson
I used to drive from the UES, so across the Bruckner rather than the Cross Bronx. On the way back into the city though the Cross Bx traffic could back up almost to the Westchester border on a bad day. Got to know Boston Road fairly well...
March 21, 2014 11:18 AM - etson
Apparently it has moonfaceified already, so red I guess, but can't say I really noticed. Just seems to have more chain stores than before
March 21, 2014 11:19 AM - Legion
I think Jefferson clearly understood how the Constitution IS the basis of law in our society.
By no means, should that quotation be interpreted as a desire to throw out the Constitution and start new every 19 years.
That's why they put in the process of amendments.
The Constitution is a living and breathing document in terms of being responsive to changing societal needs. Why would you be so cavalier about throwing it out when it's been the best functional experiment in human governance since we stopped being hunter-gatherers?

Really, it's attitudes like that which make the younger generation so cynical.
Hey, let's just throw out everything that has worked to elevate mankind from a life
that's nasty, brutish and short.
March 21, 2014 11:22 AM - Legion
right, the traffic through the Bronx (Major Degan, Cross Bronx) has been competing for the position of worst traffic in the US, for many years.
Edited at March 21, 2014 11:22 AM
March 21, 2014 11:27 AM - DeLepp
I'm a pretty relaxed confident driver but 95 thru the Bronx tested every cell in my body. 278 in NJ a breeze compared to that menace.
March 21, 2014 11:28 AM - dibs
I hear the NJ turnpike is a nightmare in many spots as well. i never take that either.
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March 21, 2014 11:28 AM - dibs
Listening to the radio at the is "Memory Day" and bach's birthday and he 50th anniversary of Bloody Sunday in Selma, AL
March 21, 2014 11:35 AM - Deleted
Legion, why do you think i give a single fuck about how you think i should interpret that quote???? and where did i say "throw out the constitution"???

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March 21, 2014 11:37 AM - MontroseMorris
The Deegan around Yankee Stadium had so many potholes and craters about a month ago that even jaded, death wish NYC drivers were picking their way around them at 20 miles an hour, slowing down traffic to a crawl. I was down for a tour right after the last big snow, and it took about half an hour to go about 10 blocks. They filled them in since then.
March 21, 2014 11:38 AM - MontroseMorris
I didn't see where Randi said to get rid of the Constitution. Talk about A + B = Q.
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March 21, 2014 11:41 AM - MontroseMorris
We're getting a Whole Paycheck up here in a mall outside of Albany. They are really expanding.
March 21, 2014 11:41 AM - dibs
Well, he posted a quote abot laws that should be thrown out after 19 years
March 21, 2014 11:42 AM - dibs
Legion, how long you been here????????? Don't you know logic doesnt work here????????
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March 21, 2014 11:43 AM - dibs
Good day in the market. nice weather.
March 21, 2014 11:43 AM - Legion
LOL dibs,

is it just me, or is the concept of cause and effect being excluded from today's curriculum?
I think randolph and MM went to a Montessori school.
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March 21, 2014 11:44 AM - Legion
A. You posted your opinion about the Constitution, therefore it follows that you care about your opinion and how others would consider it.
B. You implied that our Constitution was outdated and unnecessary by your tacit approval of the illegal re-writing of laws by the Executive branch of our government with regard to Obamacare.
C. #deeznutz
March 21, 2014 11:44 AM - Deleted
i'll go with C.
March 21, 2014 11:45 AM - rf
I think randolph and MM went to a Montessori school.

lol. How old are you, Legion-Geezer?
March 21, 2014 11:48 AM - Deleted
the snobbery around here is truly unbearable, i am not sure why i keep coming back.
March 21, 2014 11:51 AM - Legion
...for the comradery, dining advice and puns?
March 21, 2014 11:51 AM - dibs
...and me
March 21, 2014 11:52 AM - Deleted
it certainly isn't to be treated with never ending condescension, which is basically all that happens now.
March 21, 2014 11:54 AM - Legion
...and don't forget the access to the internet's largest trove of
cat nutz pics!
March 21, 2014 11:56 AM - dibs
March 21, 2014 11:57 AM - Deleted
Regarding enrollment problems in ACA plans, here is an article that describes what I wrote above:

Moreover, I would expect the exchange to be your advocate in this situation. That does not take away from the facts that this article points out, namely, that so many parties are involved in the enrollment into a ACA/subsidized plan, resulting in a complex, flawed system.
March 21, 2014 11:58 AM - Deleted
i'm done. again. deactivating the account, again. maybe see y'all next thursday. peace.
March 21, 2014 12:00 PM - dibs
March 21, 2014 12:00 PM - Deleted
Here is an article in the Washington Post on the same phenomenon, and it talks specifically about that form that must be transmitted from the exchange to the insurer:
March 21, 2014 12:03 PM - Deleted
it used to be fun here and its not anymore. oh well.
March 21, 2014 12:04 PM - MontroseMorris
Randi, I completely understand how you feel. Don't go, though, then they win.
March 21, 2014 12:04 PM - dibs
Define fun. I'm having fun.
March 21, 2014 12:05 PM - MontroseMorris
No Legion, we long ago learned how to think constructively for ourselves, not simply accepting the pablum of Fox News and right wing conservative web sites.
March 21, 2014 12:05 PM - Deleted
thanks for proving my point there dave.
March 21, 2014 12:05 PM - Legion
Don't be so sensitive randolph.
I'll try not to be so condescending. :o(
March 21, 2014 12:06 PM - Legion
...give me a hug MM.
It's Spring.
Edited at March 21, 2014 12:06 PM
March 21, 2014 12:06 PM - Deleted
"not simply accepting the pablum of Fox News and right wing conservative web sites."

Hey, I just quoted the Washington Post!
March 21, 2014 12:07 PM - rf
Mt. Gox, the Tokyo-based Bitcoin exchange that collapsed and filed for bankruptcy last month, said it had found 200,000 Bitcoins that were held in an “old-format wallet,” or digital storage file.

Mt. Gox’s former chief executive, Mark Karpeles, issued a statement in Japanese and English on the company’s website saying that after it filed for bankruptcy, it began researching these wallets that were used before June 2011. That is when the company discovered the 200,000 Bitcoins, which represent about 24 percent of the coins that went missing when the site failed.

Last month, Mt. Gox said it had lost 750,000 of its customers’ Bitcoin holdings and more than 100,000 of its own coins, or more than $450 million worth. Based on today’s rates, the found coins are worth about $114 million.
Edited at March 21, 2014 12:07 PM
March 21, 2014 12:10 PM - dibs
I use Paypal a lot. Nothing gets lost in a wallet.
Edited at March 21, 2014 12:10 PM
March 21, 2014 12:10 PM - etson
Randi can give it out but not take it back.
March 21, 2014 12:15 PM - dibs
Exactly, etson.
March 21, 2014 12:22 PM - etson
I don't get bitcoin, but I'm not sure anyone else does either.
March 21, 2014 12:28 PM - DeLepp
etson, if you are looking for french in hood:
La Mangeoire at 2nd and 53rd
Was there this past week, french country traditional.
Edited at March 21, 2014 12:28 PM
March 21, 2014 12:30 PM - etson
Great, I walk past that place all the time.

Best food in the area so far: The diner on 53rd & 1st (Madison)! Everything I have had there was excellent and they even serve cocktails.
Edited at March 21, 2014 12:30 PM
March 21, 2014 12:32 PM - petebklyn
yeah, before ACA health insurance was easy as pie and nobody ever had issues dealing with them. Remember the old days -- nobody denied coverage, claims were processed quickly and never disputed, etc. They were so easy to reach on the phone. Premiums went down even though they were cheap to begin with. Why would anyone mess with such a wonderful system?
March 21, 2014 12:49 PM - Deleted
"yeah, before ACA health insurance was easy as pie and nobody ever had issues dealing with them. Remember the old days -- nobody denied coverage, claims were processed quickly and never disputed, etc. They were so easy to reach on the phone. Premiums went down even though they were cheap to begin with. Why would anyone mess with such a wonderful system?"

And the point is? I don't see anyone stating that the previous system was nirvana. Yes, the system needed reform - who is arguing otherwise? The question at hand is: did the ACA succeed in improving the insurance marketplace? I believe a majority of people have reached a conclusion on the matter, from first-hand experience with it.
Edited at March 21, 2014 12:49 PM
March 21, 2014 12:54 PM - Deleted
i never saw you guys stating the old system was fucked up.

textbook armchair quarterbacking
March 21, 2014 1:01 PM - Deleted
"i never saw you guys stating the old system was fucked up."

Really?? Legion must have spoken about what reforms are necessary about 1000 times. I also spoke about it, and I remember one time Townhouse Lady went ballistic with me, because one of the reforms I listed was risked-based premiums, i.e. if you are overweight or smoke you should pay a higher premium than someone who takes care of themselves.

March 21, 2014 1:04 PM - Deleted
please explain how legions reforms (tort) will cover those without healthcare under the old system.
March 21, 2014 1:13 PM - Deleted

You are shifting the debate. My original point was that no one argued against the need for reform. Now you are debating if our proposals would be effective. No more energy to debate another point today.
March 21, 2014 1:15 PM - Legion
Tort reform was only one of many different remedies to the existing system which would combine to solve the problem effectively.
Other improvements included:
-interstate insurance competition (like car insurance)
-medical court system to eliminate repeat malpractice offenders
-health savings accounts started early in conjunction with low cost major medical
-risk based premiums as benson mentioned
-tax subsidies for independent contractors to purchase insurance on the free market
-simple educational campaign to enroll those already eligible for medicaid/children's programs
and many more
Edited at March 21, 2014 1:15 PM
March 21, 2014 1:16 PM - Deleted
"the problem"

i think we need to agree what the problem is first.
March 21, 2014 1:17 PM - DeLepp
I remember that, was kind of surprised at her reaction.
March 21, 2014 1:19 PM - Partridge
Both of those articles were written last year, Benson, and they each describe problems that I did not encounter. Please do not re-write my story with your desire to place blame where it was not found. I offer up Partridge's Personal Insurance Debacle - Cliff Notes Version:

November 2013
Try to get on NYS site. Can't f'ed up.

December 2013
Access successful. Reviewed plans. Selected one. Filed application before deadline.

Jan 8, 2014 Made payment over phone. Application confirmed, chosen plan confirmed, premium subsidy confirmed. Made payment. Told cards would follow.

Jan 24, 2014. Still no cards. Made payment again over phone. Received email confirmation of that payment. Told cards would follow.

Feb 8, 2014. Still no cards. Called again. Made payment again. Told that they show my earlier payments but are unable to process due to overwhelming response. Assured cards would follow.

and so on... until happy conclusion last week. I don't speak for others and their problems. Only my own. BLUE CROSS messed up and refused to fix it until I filed a formal complaint with the NY State Dept of Health. They have admitted their failure to me. They have enrolled me retroactively to January 1, 2014 because they are responsible for this f up.

March 21, 2014 1:20 PM - pepper
And here I thought "YUPPIE" was a bad acronym. Now we have "YUMMY" to look forward to :o/
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March 21, 2014 1:22 PM - Deleted
The only thing I would add to Legion's list (and it's a huge item): eliminate the huge tax inequality between employer-provided insurance and the individual insurance market. THAT is a huge source of inequality.
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March 21, 2014 1:23 PM - Deleted
"Please do not re-write my story with your desire to place blame where it was not found."

March 21, 2014 1:23 PM - Legion
the single best solution to the actual problem,
which was access to healthcare for the middle class who wasn't eligible for Medicaid or Medicare,
was to implement a health savings account program piggy backed on existing insurance plan panels like Oxford, GHI or Aetna.
A low monthly premium would be paid.
Well care/preventive visits would be covered and subsidized by the government.
A significant portion of the monthly premium would go into an individualized HSA like an IRA.
Most people are healthy between 20 and 50, that's 30 years of compounding.
The individual would have access to the typical doctor panels when needed with a modest co-payment.
The incentive to remain healthy would increase as their HSA account increased with roll-over yearly.
Disasterous occurrences would be covered after a deductible, by the major catastrophy portion of the HSA account.
It would work because the large majority of those enrolled in this plan would be healthy, working individuals.
Abuse would be minimal due to co-payments and the incentive to save increasing yearly.

Such a plan would cover those 10-15 million not currently insured.
All other plans would continue as before and they
could keep the good provisions of Obamacare too like pre-existing exclusion ban and lifetime limits cap ban.

March 21, 2014 1:24 PM - More4Less
Randi, I'll come by to pick up Br'andi next thurs. She said she ain't cancelling her special appearance
March 21, 2014 1:25 PM - Deleted

I stand by what I wrote. Your cliff notes above describes your encounter with the system. I do not dispute it. What you do not show, nor could you as it is not transparent to the consumer, is how the system broke down. In that matter, I will rely on the reports of those who have investigated it.
March 21, 2014 1:29 PM - Deleted
all I gathered from LP's experience is that insurance companies are big fuckin scumbags.
March 21, 2014 1:31 PM - Deleted
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March 21, 2014 1:31 PM - Legion
In retrospect,
I think it has become apparent, from the slow rate of enrollment,
that the original "crisis" was not a crisis at all.
It was a significant problem that existed but not a crisis involving 45 million individuals as had been sold to
the public by the likes of Nancy Pelosi.

There was a signicant problem in covering independent contractors, small business people and cases where a severe medical condition could wipe out life savings for a family.

The problem with coverage could have been remedied by the HSA/Major Catastrophy route as I stated and had been studied in depth.
The problem with the single-catastrophy wipe out could have been eliminated with a single page law:
No lifetime cap on coverage, No pre-existing condition exclusion, Optional extended coverage to age 26.

They could have named that the Obama Health Law and moved on to large issues.
March 21, 2014 1:31 PM - Deleted
Moreover, I will point out that you yourself wrote that your previous, pre-ACA encounters with Blue Cross/Blue Shield had always been satisfactory. I believe the fact that their performance went down considerably after the ACA was in place points to its sharing at least some of the culpability.
March 21, 2014 1:31 PM - Partridge
Ask Legion, Benson. He knows exactly what the insurance company tried to do to me.
March 21, 2014 1:32 PM - Deleted
or that insurance companies are butthurt and are knowingly complicating the process.
March 21, 2014 1:36 PM - Legion
Keep in mind that a significant portion of the individuals who weren't covered by insurance
were actually eligible under existing Medicaid guidelines or existing federally funded/state run Health care programs. That's the end of the economic scale that we're seeing the majority of new enrollment ocurring.
Large increases in the Medicaid portion of state administered exchanges.
March 21, 2014 1:37 PM - More4Less
This is what we get when both parties' priority seems to be to sabotage the other party instead of serving the people.
March 21, 2014 1:38 PM - Deleted
"or that insurance companies are butthurt and are knowingly complicating the process."

Let's accept this as fact - that the insurance companies are not happy about Obamacare. Again, I ask: so what? I know lots of legislation that's passed that force people to do things they don't want to do. Tax hikes, for instance. Effective legislation has the mechanisms and regulations in place to make sure that the law is enforced. So, if the ACA allows the insurance companies to throw a monkey wrench into the works, it speaks to its ineffectiveness.
March 21, 2014 1:38 PM - dibs
I'm back. Windshield + rerfinishing the plastec headlight lenses $450. B running nicely.
March 21, 2014 1:41 PM - More4Less
If both sides can't see or not willing to acknowledge the other side did something good, you get what we have today - 100% 1-sided bitchfest that never reconcile to achieve greater good for the peeps.
March 21, 2014 1:43 PM - Partridge
When I was first looking at the offered plans, this one and only stood out as the best. Best coverage, cheapest premium. Why? Why were their offerings and the offering of others so much more expensive and require higher deductibles and co-pays? I don't know the answer. I would love you to research that for me. Did the ACA require them to offer a plan with these extraordinary benefits? When I posted the incredulous details of the plan ($1200 deductible/max out-of-pocket, zero co-pays for everything - drugs, doctors, specialists, hospitalization, etc.) Arkady posted that those benefits were better than her medicare plan!

I believe they did everything in their power to 'persuade' me away from that plan.
March 21, 2014 1:45 PM - dibs
From Upstater over there….$94,900 in Livingston Manor, Sullivan County $3,500 in taxes. Looks to be freshly painet with refinished floors
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March 21, 2014 1:45 PM - Deleted
yeah i agree benson - there should have been more legislation passed to make sure the insurance companies play ball
March 21, 2014 1:56 PM - etson
Never quite sure on those upstater pieces which towns are nice & which are crappy. They cover a wide area & never really explain what the locations are like.
March 21, 2014 2:02 PM - pepper
Nice house, though. And damn cheap.
March 21, 2014 2:08 PM - dibs
Screen door on. Its officially Spring. And snowdrops up
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March 21, 2014 2:09 PM - dibs
Yeah, all I know is Hudson and Rhinecliff
March 21, 2014 2:11 PM - rf
It was officially Spring yesterday.
March 21, 2014 2:13 PM - etson
So it's still officially spring today
March 21, 2014 2:18 PM - dibs
This is the first FULL DAY of Spring. And no, it's not Spring until the screen door goes on.
March 21, 2014 2:18 PM - etson
Duke seem about to lose. I have never even heard of Mercer.
March 21, 2014 2:45 PM - More4Less
I don't care that much about NCAA as Knicks don't have a draft pick all they can pick is their noses.
March 21, 2014 2:50 PM - More4Less
I don't consider it spring till it's warm enough for me to clean the windows. Now is still too cold for me to go take down the window panes to clean them
March 21, 2014 2:55 PM - rf
M4L, long story about your assemblyman and neighborhood.
They Kept a Lower East Side Lot Vacant for 47 Years
Sheldon Silver and William E. Rapfogel worked for decades to keep low-income housing out of a Jewish enclave.

March 21, 2014 2:58 PM - DeLepp

"There are 12,000 units in development in Brooklyn right now and 95 to 98 percent of them are rentals, not condos."

March 21, 2014 3:18 PM - More4Less
Rf, once those lots are built, the area and real estate prices will spike. I can see easily a 25%-30% spike. That is part of the reason I'm interested in trading up into a bigger unit
March 21, 2014 3:21 PM - More4Less
Delepp, rents are crazy high in many places in bk. That's part of reason why sale valuations spiked too. With so many 3-family bldgs able to get $5k or more in monthly rent, it's not hard to understand why valuations have crossed over $1m for so many of these houses
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March 21, 2014 3:31 PM - dibs
randi…..not one comment over there on Brownstoner today. Why don't you and dh go over there and add some of yor typical intellectual comments????

I say, condescendingly.
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March 21, 2014 3:37 PM - DeLepp
m4l, there were a bunch of these real estate developers on the stoler report last month and they all mentioned rentals for brooklyn, condos for manhattan. "All cash" was an easier sell in Manhattan with all the furiners than brooklyn. Though that doesn't explain all the french in fort greene.
March 21, 2014 3:38 PM - dibs
No bigger scumbag than Shelly Silver.
March 21, 2014 3:39 PM - DeLepp
Kinder, gentler dibs with flight 370?
March 21, 2014 3:41 PM - dibs
Huh? I don't get it.
March 21, 2014 3:42 PM - More4Less
Silver been good for my coop - as far as I can tell since I moved in. Selfishly, he's been good for me. If I move out then I won't like him again.
March 21, 2014 3:43 PM - DeLepp
Gone missing. Bottom of ocean. Did you get too much sun?
March 21, 2014 3:45 PM - Legion
Sheldon Silver has to go already.
Term limits would solve half the problems in politics.

Sheldon's brother was a good doctor (orthopedic surgeon).
As a resident, I worked on a few cases with him.
March 21, 2014 3:47 PM - BoerumHillScott
Both the state of California and the city of New York have term limits
March 21, 2014 3:47 PM - Legion
Research shows that humans can distinguish a Trillion different smells,
(probably more than that if you count the NYC subway system):
March 21, 2014 3:53 PM - etson
Don't like Silver but somehow I find him less objectionable than most local Dem politicians.
March 21, 2014 4:05 PM - RowerChick
I wish Marty hadn't been termed out. I didn't always agree with his politics, but he had no real power, so the fact that he was pro death penalty didn't worry me.
March 21, 2014 4:08 PM - RowerChick
And how many Senior Citizens do you know with his charisma and enthusiasm for Brooklyn,
March 21, 2014 4:11 PM - etson
Marty was OK. I don't even know who any of the boro presidents are now.

March 21, 2014 4:12 PM - dibs
No, I can't name him either.
March 21, 2014 4:18 PM - RowerChick
Eric Adams is Brooklyn.
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March 21, 2014 4:18 PM - RowerChick
Eric Adams is Brooklyn.
March 21, 2014 4:23 PM - etson
I have heard of Eric Adams, but did not know he was boro president.
I don't actually know what a boro president does (know they used to be very powerful but now aren't)
March 21, 2014 4:24 PM - dibs
I think Marty just visited restaurants.
March 21, 2014 4:27 PM - dibs
Did randi blogicide????
March 21, 2014 4:28 PM - etson
Anyone know any good movers / man-with-van companies that do very small jobs. Have to be legit, insured etc.
I will have to move a bed, sofa and a couple of other things from BK to Manhattan in a couple of weeks. Most of the other stuff there will fit in my car.
March 21, 2014 4:28 PM - More4Less
Day is almost done. Oh yeah
March 21, 2014 4:31 PM - More4Less
That sound like an inexpensive job. If you want, I can look up chinaman crew who moved me. The whole move only cost 650 or so - that included insurance and generous tip. So yours will cost probably under 500
March 21, 2014 4:32 PM - dibs
Call Movers Not Shakers….absolutely the best. Not sure if they will do a small job but well worth a try. Very professional, not expensive, very dependable. I used them for BS to P-Town and Cobble has used them a few times I think for her banishment to DP and then when she was allowed back to BoCoCa
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March 21, 2014 4:35 PM - rf
Eric Adams ran unopposed for Brooklyn borough president.
March 21, 2014 4:35 PM - etson
Thanks m4l - do they speak reasonable English?
(don't take that the wrong way - but need to be able to communicate with them, as do the building people).
March 21, 2014 4:38 PM - More4Less
One of the 3-man crew spoke English well
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March 21, 2014 4:39 PM - More4Less
You can also ask them to make sure they send someone who speaks English.
March 21, 2014 4:41 PM - dibs
Are they hunky????
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March 21, 2014 4:41 PM - etson
Great, well if you don't mind posting their details...thank you
March 21, 2014 4:43 PM - dibs
UH OH…you at work etson? want me to take that down?
March 21, 2014 4:46 PM - pepper
That's too bulky. Doesn't even look good. To me, anyway.
March 21, 2014 4:49 PM - DeLepp
Too PASTY! Plus can he lift anything besides weights? Not sure he could manage getting up a typical narrow brownstone staircase.
March 21, 2014 4:50 PM - More4Less
Etson, think I have your email at home. I'll email it to you after I locate the invoice with the contact info
Edited at March 21, 2014 4:50 PM
March 21, 2014 4:50 PM - dibs
He is rather pasty for me. I like them more caramel.
March 21, 2014 4:51 PM - etson
1) Yes, but my office is not overlooked.
2) Yes, b/c it's gross.
March 21, 2014 4:51 PM - More4Less
Hummm, per dibs' pic, black doors in bathrm is interesting option
March 21, 2014 4:53 PM - dibs
m4l, we have a bathroom in Philly with a fireplace and the surround and baseboards are satin black. Looks great. Wouldn't look good glossy. Tile is black and white.
Edited at March 21, 2014 4:54 PM
March 21, 2014 4:59 PM - More4Less
I've been thinking of black for accent wall, ceiling, etc
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March 21, 2014 5:00 PM - Deleted
Have a good weekend all.
Edited at March 21, 2014 5:00 PM
March 21, 2014 5:30 PM - dibs
You gonna hire Ken?
Edited at March 21, 2014 5:30 PM
March 21, 2014 5:41 PM - More4Less
That's not my decision and wife haven't brought up the topic or ken. I was thinking about that stuff for the fixer ppties I'm trying to buy for rental income.
March 21, 2014 7:02 PM - Deleted
Derp. Happy weekend y'all
March 21, 2014 7:55 PM - Partridge
March 21, 2014 7:56 PM - rf
I thought everyone went away for the weekend.
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March 21, 2014 8:02 PM - Partridge
Weird, right? Maybe Benson and DH did.
March 21, 2014 8:03 PM - pepper
I just got home.
March 21, 2014 8:03 PM - Slope4Eva
I went to the store, woo hoo!!
Edited at March 21, 2014 8:03 PM
March 21, 2014 8:07 PM - Partridge
I was late getting home too. Had a meeting with a young guy who is developing a wedding registry site. The excitement doesn't end!
March 21, 2014 8:15 PM - Partridge
So what's the latest on the plane? Is it where Dave said it is? Off Perth?
March 21, 2014 8:18 PM - pepper
No luck off Perth. They still have no clue. They think it may have sunk by now, in which case finding it may not happen. That Air France flight a few years ago, they knew almost exactly where it went down, and it took them 5 days to find the first debris, and almost 2 years to find the bulk of the wreckage...
March 21, 2014 8:21 PM - Partridge
Really sad, but I haven't given up hope that Cobble can find it.
March 21, 2014 8:24 PM - pepper
Yup. Very shocking.
March 21, 2014 8:24 PM - pepper
And as a relatively frequent flyer, somewhat less than comforting.
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March 21, 2014 8:27 PM - Slope4Eva
As a non-frequent flyer, do cell phones usually work over the ocean? Not one call/text was received.
March 21, 2014 8:27 PM - Partridge
Hadn't thought of it from a personal perspective, but yes, certainly less comforting. I guess this will elicit new/better tracking practices.
March 21, 2014 8:31 PM - pepper
I've never tried, but I don't think so, Eva. Afaik, most cell phones can't connect to satellites, so you'd need a cell tower.
March 21, 2014 8:34 PM - Deleted
Watch out breadknots crossing the streets, I'm signing up for Driver's Ed next week!

March 21, 2014 8:38 PM - pepper
Uh oh!
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March 21, 2014 8:40 PM - rf
My daughter used a great driving teacher, and it wasn't very expensive. (Of course she only needed 4 lessons total because I could take her to practice.) Let me know if you want her contact info.
Edited at March 21, 2014 8:40 PM
March 21, 2014 8:54 PM - Deleted
Okay Rf! I found a place in the west village and visited their website today. It's 390 for the 5 hours of instruction. But they say you need 50!?!? According the dmv website?
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March 21, 2014 9:02 PM - rf
That doesn't sound right. This is the school we used:
They will pick you up and drop you off anywhere in Brooklyn. My daughter's instructor was Anastasia. The website is kind of basic but they are very good. Here are the prices:
but you are better off calling.

I can text you Anastasia's email address and cell phone and she'll tell you exactly what to do.

I'm sure it's cheaper than in Manhattan.
March 21, 2014 9:02 PM - Deleted
I'm not letting anyone named Anastasia teach me how to drive.
March 21, 2014 9:03 PM - Deleted
Sorry. I will check out the site.
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March 21, 2014 9:05 PM - rf
This is the DMV page for new drivers.

There's no requirement for a certain number of hours unless the driver is under 18. The parent has to sign that the student has x number of hours, they don't check.

You need your learner's permit before you do anything else. You can download the book, read it a couple of times, go to DMV and take the written test for it.
March 21, 2014 9:06 PM - rf
Ok, whatever. There's another school on Jay St. right by the subway in downtown Brooklyn, you could use them. I'm sure all the Brooklyn schools are cheaper than the Manhattan ones.
March 21, 2014 9:09 PM - rf
You have to take a 5-hour class which you can do at any driving school before you can take your road test. I think my kid paid $45 for that, at Jay St. It's $50 at the Left Turn school according to their website above.
Edited at March 21, 2014 9:09 PM
March 21, 2014 9:13 PM - Deleted
Oh yeah, both of those places are way cheaper than the place I was looking at today. Okay, so it seems pretty straight forward. I've been giving it a lot of thought and I think i'm the kind of person that would totally enjoy living out of a large van or something. Obviously not here in NYC, but I need to get my ducks in order to eventually migrate out of this area. The only reason I moved to NYC was cuz I couldn't be asked to drive! If I learn to drive I will have no need for NYC anymore.

March 21, 2014 9:31 PM - Deleted
Maybe drive a truck for a living or something. I can't handle being an office monkey anymore. It's that bad.
March 21, 2014 9:54 PM - Partridge
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March 21, 2014 10:06 PM - pepper
? Chinese cabbage ?
Edited at March 21, 2014 10:06 PM
March 21, 2014 10:10 PM - BirdnestHead
Movers Not Shakers will take small jobs. I had them move a couch for me from Clinton n Remsen to Washington n Park...
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March 21, 2014 10:12 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Most lovely Friday-Decompression-Dinner at Libertador, with good friends, a bottle of wine, and laughter!

I may live.

March 21, 2014 10:12 PM - rf
bok choy!
March 21, 2014 10:13 PM - BirdnestHead
I always thought living in a big Rec-V would be ok. (when I was single) maybe park it out in the forest somewhere...
March 21, 2014 10:14 PM - Partridge
baby bok choy!

making it now. yummola about to happen.
March 21, 2014 10:16 PM - pepper
Late eats! But, enjoy. How are you preparing it?
March 21, 2014 10:19 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Baby bok choy would have been better than mushy fat asparagus...oh well. Better asparagus on deck for manana.
March 21, 2014 10:21 PM - Partridge
like this. stove top saute.
March 21, 2014 10:22 PM - Deleted
I wouldn't be able to live in a forest, i'd fucking starve. I wish there were trailer parks in NYC :(

March 21, 2014 10:27 PM - pepper
And the seasonings, Part?
March 21, 2014 10:35 PM - Partridge
Just plain for me with some potato/cheese pierogi. Would be better with salt at least. Look up some recipes...

March 21, 2014 10:51 PM - Partridge
It is pretty light on flavor. Adds texture more than taste. Crunchy like water chestnuts as it too has a high water content. Usually I just saute it with garlic but like broccoli, it is nice just steamed. I add it to my homemade vegetable soup sometimes.
March 21, 2014 11:18 PM - pepper
Roomie cooks with bbc often, but I have never prepared it myself.
Edited at March 21, 2014 11:17 PM
March 21, 2014 11:22 PM - Partridge
Ahh, lucky you with an Asian in the house.
March 21, 2014 11:35 PM - pepper
shhhhh, dave might remember, again...
Edited at March 21, 2014 11:35 PM
March 21, 2014 11:40 PM - Partridge
Not likely. Can he remember yet where Six lives?
March 21, 2014 11:46 PM - pepper
Prolly, not. So guess we are safe.