Tuesday OT
January 7, 2014 5:54 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere

488 comments
January 7, 2014 6:09 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
lol lol lol - kitty exercise video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL82YimQVFI
#1
January 7, 2014 6:49 AM - Deleted
Gm. Cold but refreshing out there, at least it's not raining. Off to work!
#2
January 7, 2014 6:57 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
GM

I do not care for this b*tchy cold weather.
#3
January 7, 2014 7:20 AM - Deleted
Brrrrr. Breaking out the north face for the first time in years
#4
January 7, 2014 7:50 AM - Kensingtonian
We have crazy travel emergency warnings up here. Office closed and roads around here closed too. Kinda crazy outside right now. Staying in and "working" from home.
#5
January 7, 2014 8:10 AM - dibs
Actually first time cold inside the apt. here. Heat on but still a bit chilly.
Edited at January 7, 2014 8:10 AM
#6
January 7, 2014 8:16 AM - dibs
randi, why do you go in so early? Although I used to leave about the same time.
Edited at January 7, 2014 8:22 AM
#7
January 7, 2014 8:19 AM - BoerumHillScott
Holy fucking cold weather.

Sorry I missed the discussions last night.
We were busy getting and putting together our new sofa, and trying not to kill people in a big ass ZipCar cargo van.
Then we made use of the new sofa while feeding our recent "Damages" addiction.


#8
January 7, 2014 8:41 AM - Deleted
I have to be home by 5 to take care of Brandi so i work 730-430 or so. And I have Thursdays off and work Saturdays. Its sort of a mess but i actually like the staggered work week, 3 on 1 off 2 on 1 off.
#9
January 7, 2014 8:44 AM - petebklyn
getting quite some snow up there in buffalo too, kens?
#10
January 7, 2014 8:46 AM - petebklyn
anyone watch the Rodman interview?
#11
January 7, 2014 9:07 AM - sixyearsandcounting
Now in the National Archives in Maryland. That was the coldest commute of my life, wind chill factor was -8 degrees. Sartorial options for layering were limited. I chose the preppy blazer and vintage hipster flannel - of course I had my big winter coat on so nobody had to look at that combo.
Edited at January 7, 2014 9:18 AM
#12
January 7, 2014 9:09 AM - dibs
OK, so here’s my much promised review of investment performance in 2013. First, an overview. Equity markets were up between 20% and 30%+ for US equity indices. Foreign markets had more mixed results. However, bond markets were down as interest rates rose. The benchmark 10 Year Treasury rate doubled from 1.6% to about 3%, the basis for weak bond prices. Thus, bond markets were off between 5% and 30%, the worst being such classes as munis and mortgage backed securities.

So, with that in mind, my retirement account was +12.6%, certainly underperforming the overall markets this year. Bear in mind that it is structured to produce income through dividends and interest. It’s made up of 64 commons stocks and REITs of which 12 are foreign stocks (mostly Asian REITs and infrastructure plays that pay out high dividends) and 14 ETFs and Closed End Funds. At the beginning of the year, yields on my holdings ranged from about 2% to 19%. In 2012, the fund was up 20.4%.

The fund produced income of a 7.9% yield based on the beginning of year value.

However, the important aspect to focus on is that income from dividends and interest grew 23% in 2012 over 2011 and 36% in 2013 over 2012, to a point where it is now generating more than enough cash flow in the form of dividends and interest than I need to live on for a year.

I post this to illustrate that, with proper planning and advice, you can make investing work for you without taking huge risks or speculating on stocks. AND, DIVERSIFICATION IS KEY.

The S&P 500 10 year average annual dividend growth is 7%, which is now higher than 10 year average price appreciation for the market. Dividends grew about 15% in 2013 and are expected to grow about the same amount in 2014.

Edited at January 7, 2014 9:13 AM
#13
January 7, 2014 9:15 AM - Kensingtonian
Yeah a bunch of lake effect snow. Accumulating to about 3 feet by tomorrow but hoping the roads will be clean.
#14
January 7, 2014 9:21 AM - Deleted
Damn kens. Weather.com has the forecast for you as "snow squalls". Sounds scary
Edited at January 7, 2014 9:21 AM
#15
January 7, 2014 9:23 AM - DeLepp
The wind was loud last night and kept me up. Slept till 730...like a Saturday.

kens, the snow sounds fun, really.
#16
January 7, 2014 9:24 AM - sixyearsandcounting
City Journal's review of Bloombergism:

http://www.city-journal.org/2014/24_1_bloomberg.html
#17
January 7, 2014 9:26 AM - Deleted
DIVERSIFICATION IS KEY

LOL, thanks for the genius tip there Dave.
#18
January 7, 2014 9:29 AM - dibs
I knew randi would have some snarky remark while he's at work and I'm retired!!!!!
#19
January 7, 2014 9:32 AM - Deleted
Dude, I'm 36.
#20
January 7, 2014 9:34 AM - dibs
Youth is no excuse for stupidity.
#21
January 7, 2014 9:36 AM - Deleted
Perhaps, but it is an explanation for not being retired.
#22
January 7, 2014 9:37 AM - dibs
Go do something there at work.
#23
January 7, 2014 9:38 AM - Deleted
How about some practical investing advice for those of us not looking to touch the money for 15+ years???
#24
January 7, 2014 9:38 AM - petebklyn
KEY TO DIVERSIFICATION is plenty of money to diversify.
#25
January 7, 2014 9:41 AM - dibs
Not at all, Pete. With trading commissions as low as they are, you could put small amounts of money in many stocks. Even with just $5,000-10,000 you can be diversified in individual stocks, not to mention mutual funds and ETFs which, by definition are diversified.
Edited at January 7, 2014 9:41 AM
#26
January 7, 2014 9:43 AM - Deleted
So dibs did slightly worse than a monkey with a dart board.
#27
January 7, 2014 9:43 AM - sixyearsandcounting
Hmmm...a fairly conservative Emirati female acquaintance's facebook status:

"How to get lucky? Any clue?"
Edited at January 7, 2014 9:43 AM
#28
January 7, 2014 9:45 AM - dibs
Like I posted the other day, randi, a portfolio of high dividend paying stocks, grows well in excess of the S& P 500. I used the SYY example and this chart of SYY with dividends reinvested vs. S&P 500 with dividends invested…..

There are many S&P 500 stocks that willdeliver strong dividend growth, PERFORMING BETTER THAN THAT OF THE AVERAGE GROWTH STOCK. You don't have to actually seek "growth stocks" to beat the market.

PERFECT FOR SOMEONE YOUNGER OVER MANY YEARS.
Edited at January 7, 2014 9:52 AM
#29
January 7, 2014 9:50 AM - DeLepp
dave, you mentioned going to the Met, I highly recommend these two exhibits.
The Carlos Scarpa exhibit on Venetian glass was quite informative and the pieces were terrific.
http://www.metmuseum.org/exhibitions/listings/2013/carlo-scarpa

Furniture by Abraham and David Roentgen, though not your style, their inventiveness with design and functionality were unmatched:
http://www.metmuseum.org/exhibitions/listings/2013/roentgen-furniture
#30
January 7, 2014 9:51 AM - dibs
DeLepp, I did see that the Roentgen exhibit was there. Those pieces are really incredible. A must see. As would be Venetian glass. I may do it next week.
#31
January 7, 2014 9:54 AM - dibs
randi, the problem with recommending growth stocks to younger investors is that they require intensive research and following and you have to anticipate when the growth will slow. The market will most likely figure it out before you or I do and you'll lose money. Growth stocks are also known as momentum stocks for a reason but when it stops, they take a massive dirt nap.

Of course a few growth mutual funds are always a good idea. Find the ones with the longest record of good results. Be prepared for volatility.
Edited at January 7, 2014 9:55 AM
#32
January 7, 2014 10:02 AM - dibs
French socialist self entitled workers holding managers of Goodyear plant there hostage because they announced that the plant will close, which was announced two years ago. Pathetic.
Edited at January 7, 2014 10:02 AM
#33
January 7, 2014 10:08 AM - Deleted
Monkey with dart board, lol.


Edited at January 7, 2014 10:08 AM
#34
January 7, 2014 10:13 AM - dibs
Not dissimilar to dh's dating strategy.
#35
January 7, 2014 10:19 AM - dibs
"JPMorgan Chase & Co., already beset by other costly legal woes, has agreed to pay $1.7 billion to settle criminal charges accusing the bank of ignoring obvious warning signs of Bernard Madoff's massive Ponzi scheme, federal authorities said Tuesday."

They will pay an additional $543 Million to the Madoff trustee who, before that amount, has recovered 50 cents on the dollar for Madoff clients, a very large % for this sort of thing

As DeLepp said previously, where are the fines that the SEC, the main oversight body, should be paying????
Edited at January 7, 2014 10:24 AM
#36
January 7, 2014 10:19 AM - Deleted
Haha PWND
#37
January 7, 2014 10:28 AM - MontroseMorris
"Even with just $5,000-10,000" - yeah, I wish I had "just" $5K to $10K lying around. Dave, the reality is that most people don't. That's why we can't get into the stock market, and plan cushy retirements before we check into nursing homes. I love those commercials where the retired couple is out whale watching on their boat. Most people won't ever be able to retire.

That said, the wind is blowing like crazy here, was all night, and it's damn cold. It's 2 degrees here, supposed to go up to 7, "real feel" is 23 below zero.
Edited at January 7, 2014 10:28 AM
#38
January 7, 2014 10:30 AM - dibs
Just because some don't is no reason for those who do not to think more about investments. MM. i provide expertise where I can. i can't fix all the "wrongs" in the world. But thanks for the socialist input.

You can't just sit there wringing your hands over it. Start with $100. You have to start somewhere. EVERYBODY DID except those born into it.
Edited at January 7, 2014 10:37 AM
#39
January 7, 2014 10:31 AM - dibs
KUDOS to the massive social security disability fraud arrests that are coming against mostly public servants later this morning
#40
January 7, 2014 10:36 AM - DeLepp
86 cops/fireman being arrested today in NYC if not already.
#41
January 7, 2014 10:38 AM - dibs
Hopefully they'll get to the MTA/LIRR/Metro North employees as well and anyone else abusing SSD
#42
January 7, 2014 10:39 AM - DeLepp
About time they started the crackdown on SS disability fraud, big numbers and the first "entitlement" to go broke in 2015 if something wasn't done.
#43
January 7, 2014 10:42 AM - MontroseMorris
Dave, spare me the condescension. You have no clue what financial hardship is. And not EVERYONE does it. The vast majority of people in this country don't know anything about the stock market, and do not trade stocks.
Edited at January 7, 2014 10:44 AM
#44
January 7, 2014 10:43 AM - DeLepp
Retirement industry is biased to saving big numbers, but the reality is if one owns their own home without a mortgage and their taxes are not too high, the income replacement % the industry recommends is too high for many which frightens folks to hand-wringing instead of investing.
Edited at January 7, 2014 10:43 AM
#45
January 7, 2014 10:47 AM - MontroseMorris
And what the hell does "socialism" have to do with it? Your tired screed is just that, tired.
Edited at January 7, 2014 10:47 AM
#46
January 7, 2014 10:48 AM - dibs
Yes, certainly, DeLepp. It used to be in the 60s, 70s, 80s and even well into the 90s that middle class people could afford to buy homes and then it became crazy and the overall numbers just aren't working anymore. Incomes have not kept up with rising home prices in most parts of the country.
#47
January 7, 2014 10:51 AM - Deleted
Mm. We all know dibs is out of touch with reality.
#48
January 7, 2014 10:52 AM - dibs
I knew this would happen.

I apologize if my attempt to provide constructive investment advice came off as "greedy" or condescending. It usually does when people take the attitude that it's about "haves" and have nots" which completely misses the point and turns it into a social issue as opposed to the instructive issue it was meant to be.

I guess I'm not allowed to do that here without being condemned for being "out of touch."
Edited at January 7, 2014 10:57 AM
#49
January 7, 2014 10:53 AM - DeLepp
dibs, hence Texas has become big retirement state as housing is quite cheap. Was concerned about getting too old for house down there and last year was helping sister-in law with assistted living options and it is very cheap compared to what I had for aunt in NJ.
#50
January 7, 2014 10:55 AM - dibs
Probably all about the amount of land for the most part.

I think beautiful mountain vistas usually thought of as very 1% in Montana are actually relatively cheap as well. But that's maybe more about lack of access.
#51
January 7, 2014 10:59 AM - DeLepp
Though being worried about driving at 90 may become moot point when google self driving cars debut and are successful.
Edited at January 7, 2014 10:59 AM
#52
January 7, 2014 11:02 AM - DeLepp
A google car paked in front of my santa barbara 900 sq foot bungalow near the water sounds like one plan.
#53
January 7, 2014 11:06 AM - dibs
Good point and one I had not considered. I always thought that when I was unable to drive in my 90s that I'd have to move to P-Town where I can get around in my mobile wheelchair but that's 30+ years from now and things change!!!!!!

Think of what new services will be around by then. Why I bet you could get a full course Keens dinner delivered anywhere in the country in a few hours.
Edited at January 7, 2014 11:06 AM
#54
January 7, 2014 11:07 AM - BoerumHillScott
The middle, lower middle, and even good chunks of the lower class can still afford to buy a house in many parts of the country.

I have a 19 year old cousin who works retail and various side jobs with a husband with similar low paying jobs who just bought a house, with close to no savings or help from family (who are also poor).

The price for any individual house in most country over the long term has not even kept up with inflation.
The two key reasons why average housing prices have gone up over time is
1) the impact of higher priced urban areas
2) the fact the average house is getting bigger and nicer
#55
January 7, 2014 11:08 AM - Deleted
To Dave's point, something like 50 millions americans have 401k plans so to say that investing is inherently elitist is also out of touch.
#56
January 7, 2014 11:10 AM - BoerumHillScott
I opened a mutual fund investment account right before I entered college, with money from a summer job.
I started it off with $250 or so, and had a $25 or $50 automatic investment put in it through college.
That would never be enough to retire on, but certainly helped me out when I graduated college and was getting started.

Neither of my parents ever owned stock/funds outside of retirement or company stock purchase plans.
Edited at January 7, 2014 11:12 AM
#57
January 7, 2014 11:10 AM - DeLepp
That would be a delight, a Chateaubriand with creamed spinach and mashed potatoes delivered where ever I reside.
Edited at January 7, 2014 11:10 AM
#58
January 7, 2014 11:11 AM - MontroseMorris
Dave, I don't have a problem with your financial advice. I think it's interesting, and believe me, I wish I could act on it. I only have a problem with your assumptions that "everyone" can do this. They can't.
#59
January 7, 2014 11:14 AM - Partridge
Excluding the top 10% of wealthy Americans and excluding the bottom 20% of unemployed and underemployed Americans, the remaining majority of 70% could invest in some way proportionate to their expendable incomes, but don't. IMO, Americans have very unrealistic, and often frivolous, set of priorities as to what to do with any extra cash.

I know way too many people that make a decent income but still live paycheck to paycheck and are left in a tailspin when (not if) emergencies hit them. But they continue to have their cable TV, iPhones, Macbooks, take vacations and eat out several times a week. We have all seen them on TV at the Walmart or Costco fighting over the flatscreens at Christmas. Madison Avenue marketing and social pressures have clouded their reasoning. They are fools who refuse to swallow the bitter pill and take personal responsibility. Rather than government handouts, this group cycle through hand out from friends and families when times get rough.

Dave's personal investing info is not showy in my opinion. He sets a unique example for others to learn from and take what they can apply to their situations. Must his be a 'rags to riches' story to appreciate what he has to say?
Edited at January 7, 2014 11:14 AM
#60
January 7, 2014 11:16 AM - Deleted
LP PWNS 70% of America!
#61
January 7, 2014 11:18 AM - dibs
But most can. That's the point. Nowhere did I say that EVERYONE can do this. Reading comprehension.

My comment that "everybody did this except those born into it" addressed a different issue.


#62
January 7, 2014 11:19 AM - MontroseMorris
True, a great deal of people have 401K's. I used to have one myself. But most people don't even look at the statements any further than to see if they've made or lost money. I think the basics of stocks, mutual funds and other every day financing should be a part of high school curriculum. That would help take the elitism out of stocks and bonds and trading. As it is, a great majority of people in this country still think the stock market is "not for them." That is unfortunate.

Part of that feeling is from the stock market itself, which cloaks itself in money and mystery and elitism. It's certainly gotten better over the last 30 years, especially with do it yourself electronic trading, but most people still have no clue what the market does, or how it works. And the relatively high cost of starting out is partially to blame. A couple of hundred dollars may not be much to a New Yorker who spends that kind of money on dinner for two, but it's a lot of money for a great deal of people, in and out of the city.
#63
January 7, 2014 11:20 AM - dibs
Part, it's just a Tale of Two Cities. Class warfare has become de rigeur with Obama.
#64
January 7, 2014 11:25 AM - Deleted
Weak sauce Dave.
Edited at January 7, 2014 11:25 AM
#65
January 7, 2014 11:26 AM - DeLepp
Just a history, my grandmother learned how to invest in stocks by working at AT&T as a telehone operator in teh 1910s. She recieved part of her pay in ma bell stock. She only had a 8th grade education but her stock picks were better than her husband's with the college degree. She chose GE and he chose AMC. My mother still benefits today.
#66
January 7, 2014 11:26 AM - dibs
Your 11:19 hits a lot of valid points, MM. When people have some investments, they really need to take the initiative to educate themselves when they know they are not.

Advice is avilable in all forms and the worst advice can be that coming from friends. I suspect that's the sort of advice that most of Madoff's investors had.

In this day and age, you can walk into a Schwad or any other office, sit down and start to get a lot of good advice for free. If it takes $1,000 to open an account, you put away $100 at a time (or $25) until you can do so. Like I said, everbody started somewhere, and still can.


Edited at January 7, 2014 11:26 AM
#67
January 7, 2014 11:27 AM - DeLepp
Though today I would tell people index funds if they were starting out for core investment.
#68
January 7, 2014 11:28 AM - Deleted
Realistically though how far is investing 1k a year gonna get you?
#69
January 7, 2014 11:28 AM - Deleted
AMC? I would love to have a gremlin!
#70
January 7, 2014 11:29 AM - Partridge
"Class warfare has become de rigeur with Obama."

Can't go that far with you. We all still need to take care of the fools. And we certainly know that if the 70% of Americans I speak of started saving money the economy would collapse.
#71
January 7, 2014 11:29 AM - DeLepp
Gremlins were cool looking, though that blind spot is tremendous. A friend had a Pacer in the early 80s, which had no blind spots.
#72
January 7, 2014 11:30 AM - Deleted
One of the thoughts I've had recently is how our educational system has abandoned "practicality" in favor of pure academics. My wife and I know a number of people who are well-educated but have not a lick of practical common sense. Case in point: one of my wife's friends is a widow about 60, who never had children. She lived in a two family house which her parents owned (and they lived in the other apartment). Last year her parents passed away, and the house is now hers. At the same time, she is broke, despite having been a teacher for 30 years. Every time I see her I ask if she has rented out the other apartment yet. Nope, she hasn't gotten around to emptying it out, and doesn't even know how to arrange a clean out.


#73
January 7, 2014 11:33 AM - dibs
"Realistically though how far is investing 1k a year gonna get you?"

That's just the sport of defeatist attitude that keeps people from investing.

If you can start now with $1,000, your contributions will likely rise in the future and it's not really the additions but the compounding that counts.
#74
January 7, 2014 11:37 AM - Deleted
I imagine 60 is not a great age to start learning new things. My parents at least are pretty much set in their ways.
#75
January 7, 2014 11:38 AM - Deleted
Defeatist or realistic? Even with smart investing of 100 times that amount all it takes is one crash to wipe out any gains. Remember 2008?
#76
January 7, 2014 11:39 AM - dibs
"I imagine 60 is not a great age to start learning new things."

Ahemmmmmmm, I'm 58 and I learn new things every day. Mostly though a lot about your stupidity.
#77
January 7, 2014 11:40 AM - Deleted
That's not what i meant asshole, and I should have said 'for many people.....60....."
Edited at January 7, 2014 11:40 AM
#78
January 7, 2014 11:42 AM - dibs
"Defeatist or realistic? Even with smart investing of 100 times that amount all it takes is one crash to wipe out any gains. Remember 2008?"

More fucking stupidity.

The market was back above 2008 highs by mid 2011. Only idiots bail at the bottoms.
#79
January 7, 2014 11:43 AM - dibs
" and I should have said"

Perhaps, but you didn't.

You're really getting PWND today.

Maybe you should go do something
#80
January 7, 2014 11:44 AM - Deleted
Whether you bailed or not you still were set back 3ish years, right?
#81
January 7, 2014 11:45 AM - Deleted
I'm pretty sure I'm not getting PWND but thanks for your opinion.
#82
January 7, 2014 11:45 AM - dibs
Thought I'd have to go out today to get something for lunch and dinner but don't. Reheated frozen chili for lunch and steaming the Hoyt St Taqueria tamales tonight for dinner.
#83
January 7, 2014 11:46 AM - dibs
There are always setbacks in long term investing. Only Chinese retail investors expect the market to rise all the time, every year, in all their stocks. Trust me, I know.
#84
January 7, 2014 11:47 AM - Deleted
Steam this
#85
January 7, 2014 11:51 AM - dibs
I have to agree with the Republicans on the unemployment benefits here, if I understand their primary objection. The ever increasing larger and larger amount of money from benefits HAS TO BE PAID FOR and come from somewhere.

Obama is going to speak in a short while. I bet he goes on and on about the uncaring Republicans but offers no ideas on where the money is going to come from. No negotiation.
Edited at January 7, 2014 11:54 AM
#86
January 7, 2014 11:52 AM - dibs
Bill Nye, the Science Guy talking about the possibility of ongoing freezes like this!!!!! Whatever happened to warming?
#87
January 7, 2014 11:55 AM - dibs
He makes a good point about tech gadgets…battery life decreases exponentially when they are cold
Edited at January 7, 2014 11:55 AM
#88
January 7, 2014 11:55 AM - DeLepp
If you like gray:
http://curbed.com/archives/2014/01/07/stern-dutch-colonial-with-grayscale-interiors-asks-89m.php#more

I do like the staircases and the shower with the gray tile, just not sure why they went with sandstone color floor.
#89
January 7, 2014 11:56 AM - Deleted
Lollll
#90
January 7, 2014 11:57 AM - dibs
I do like the gray kitchens and bathrooms. All the rest can be brightened up.
#91
January 7, 2014 11:58 AM - dibs
She's pretty flat chested. I guess it's her personality and music that attracts you two to her
Edited at January 7, 2014 11:59 AM
#92
January 7, 2014 12:01 PM - Deleted
Who said we were attracted to her?
Edited at January 7, 2014 12:01 PM
#93
January 7, 2014 12:02 PM - Partridge
I don't understand why she is not a lesbian.
#94
January 7, 2014 12:05 PM - Deleted
I think she bats for both teams.

Dave, climate change has nothing to do with it being cold sometimes. MORON.
#95
January 7, 2014 12:06 PM - Deleted
She definitely seems to be going for a lesbian "look"
#96
January 7, 2014 12:07 PM - Deleted
ideas on where the money is going to come from.

Close tax loopholes, raise other taxes, cut defense spending.
Edited at January 7, 2014 12:07 PM
#97
January 7, 2014 12:12 PM - dibs
The starting point would be restructuring the entitlements but, for the Democrats, those are untouchable because that's where they get their votes from. We'll pay a very high price in later years if these are not restructured.

Oh wait, "we" won't but the likes of "you" wil!!!!!


#98
January 7, 2014 12:15 PM - dibs
I've always said, offer early retirement to 20% of the government workforce and I bet you'd get a very high % of takers. Retirement benefits are much cheaper than employing them and a lot of $$$$ will be saved. I've seen the math.
Edited at January 7, 2014 12:15 PM
#99
January 7, 2014 12:15 PM - MontroseMorris
Money can be found when Congress wants to find it. It's amazing how Republicans cry about not having enough money to pay for unemployment for people who really need it to survive, but have no problem choking the Congressional legal system with stupid laws regarding women's reproduction that are guaranteed to be challenged by just about anyone who doesn't dress in a wimple and houppelande and think we were still in 1328. How about lobbying to repeal Obamacare for the 46th time, or passing other social laws that go directly to the courts? Think of the money that could go to people who really need it, not Washington lawyers.


Edited at January 7, 2014 12:15 PM
January 7, 2014 12:18 PM - dibs
Obfuscating the issue at hand, MM. You always do it so well.
January 7, 2014 12:20 PM - Deleted
What is a "Congressional legal system"?


January 7, 2014 12:24 PM - Deleted
Derp
January 7, 2014 12:25 PM - dibs
It's a smoke screen, benson. She's a Democrat so there's no ability to come up with some specific ideas for cutting spending, which is what randi and I were discussing before being so rudely interrupted with her hate rant towards Republicans
January 7, 2014 12:26 PM - Deleted
Haha was Jon stewart reading the OT yesterday?

http://www.salon.com/2014/01/07/must_see_morning_clip_dont_trust_those_global_warming_scientist_thousandaires/
January 7, 2014 12:29 PM - dibs
In fact nobody should be telling Americans what they can or cannot eat, drive or burn.
January 7, 2014 12:31 PM - dibs
I can still have a burn pile in my yard in Bucks County and P-Town since I don't live in namby pamby liberal "we know what's best" pseudo intellectual elitist land despite both places being largely Democrat. They are common sense Democrats, largely wrong about many things but still with a modicum of commons sense left
Edited at January 7, 2014 12:34 PM
January 7, 2014 12:36 PM - dibs
R.I.P. Sir Run Run Shaw @ 106.

Among his MANY accomplishments, he created Kung Fu movies. A true Hong Kong Tai Pan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_Run_Shaw
Edited at January 7, 2014 12:39 PM
January 7, 2014 12:40 PM - Deleted
GO DO SOMETHING
January 7, 2014 12:41 PM - BoerumHillScott
Is dibs suggesting unregulated outdoor burning in NYC?
January 7, 2014 12:43 PM - dibs
randi, learn some world history, you uneducated philistine
Edited at January 7, 2014 12:45 PM
January 7, 2014 12:44 PM - Deleted
No one should drive a hummer.
Edited at January 7, 2014 12:44 PM
January 7, 2014 12:46 PM - MontroseMorris
Stick it where the sun don't shine, Dave. Whenever you can't answer me, you come up with this "she's a Democrat, and can't come up with specific ideas" when you have NEVER come up with one yourself, except to complain about whatever the Democrats are doing. Then you pile on by accusing me of obfuscation? The KING of obfuscation, who obfuscated by trying to change the focus of the discussion in the first place. What about all the money the Repubs waste by passing stupid social legislation that they know will be challenged? What about the money wasted trying to repeal Obamacare? Or do you think all those lawyer's and court fees come out of thin air? We are all paying for them. That money could better be spend in a hundred different ways, including extending unemployment.
Edited at January 7, 2014 12:47 PM
January 7, 2014 12:46 PM - dibs
I got your hummer right here. Have at it.
Edited at January 7, 2014 12:46 PM
January 7, 2014 12:46 PM - BoerumHillScott
I certainly should not have been driving the cargo van I rented last night.
I am surprised there was not a string of bodies down 3rd Avenue and up 4th after I went by.
Well, there might have been but I would have never noticed, in a heavy behemoth with no sight lines.

January 7, 2014 12:47 PM - dibs
Screw you, MM. We were talking about where cuts could come from and you start in with the rant about women's health issues, Obamacare, Washington lawyers, blah, blah, blah.

So yes, obfuscation at the very least.

Edited at January 7, 2014 12:49 PM
January 7, 2014 12:50 PM - MontroseMorris
I know what you mean, Scott. I've rented vans from Uhaul, and I live in fear of people passing on the right, because you just can't see them, those vans have really bad blind spots.
January 7, 2014 12:51 PM - Deleted
Montrose;

What legislation has Congress recently passed regarding abortion? As far as I know, there's been very little, if any. There's been quite a few laws passed at the state level, but again, I am not aware of any at the federal level. If there has been some legislative efforts, it's been minor. But perhaps I missed it, and hence, my question.
Edited at January 7, 2014 12:51 PM
January 7, 2014 12:51 PM - MontroseMorris
If you can bitch about unemployment, I hardly see where bringing up Republican waste is obfuscation. But then, you are NEVER wrong.
January 7, 2014 12:53 PM - MontroseMorris
Benson, I really don't have time to look it all up right now. But before you and Dave crow about that, I will later, and will post whatever. If I'm wrong, I have no problem admitting it, unlike some people.
January 7, 2014 12:53 PM - Deleted
Dave that is not a hummer gesture, this is.
January 7, 2014 12:55 PM - dibs
No, I didn't think you had any ideas about cutting spending. You still seemm incapable of understanding the specific discussion we were having.

Q.E.D.



January 7, 2014 12:57 PM - dibs
"Benson, I really don't have time to look it all up right now. But before you and Dave crow about that, I will later, and will post whatever. If I'm wrong, I have no problem admitting it, unlike some people."

You could be poster woman for The Most Interesting Woman In The World…

"I'm not often sure that what I'm saying is factual so I usually just make things up."
January 7, 2014 1:02 PM - Deleted
You are being a total ass. Go do something before you regret saying some stupid shit.
January 7, 2014 1:03 PM - dibs
Why should I? She's been on my case all day.
Edited at January 7, 2014 1:03 PM
January 7, 2014 1:03 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
while there's so much love in the room....

rob wants to know who will do his taxes this year. he needs to know what he needs to have on hand to barter for the tax services.
January 7, 2014 1:04 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
dave, wood putty or 1/8" dowels? will be painted black so let's not worry about showing too much.
January 7, 2014 1:05 PM - Deleted
OMG snappy are you really going to keep posting for rob?!
January 7, 2014 1:05 PM - dibs
For what?
January 7, 2014 1:06 PM - dibs
Maybe she feels remorse for deleting his account.


January 7, 2014 1:07 PM - dibs
Maybe Snappy can do his taxes.
January 7, 2014 1:07 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
no, no remorse for deleting his account. you and your tribe of merry fools trying to make me a demon in this situation just ain't workin', but please keep trying. it amuses me.
January 7, 2014 1:07 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
randi, he doesn't wanna be here, wants his acct inactive, but had a question so i posted it. does that kill you???
January 7, 2014 1:08 PM - Deleted
For her sake i hope not. Plus, he can always come back so your point is moot.
January 7, 2014 1:08 PM - BoerumHillScott
I will just assume dave was joking and move on with my day.
January 7, 2014 1:09 PM - BoerumHillScott
For the record, I don’t have a problem with people posting via someone else.
Sure, it’s a bit odd, but does not hurt anyone.

January 7, 2014 1:10 PM - Deleted
The irony may kill me.

I'll do his taxes, although I've never done taxes before, i pay someone to do mine.
January 7, 2014 1:11 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
randi, if you are willing to do them, have dh give rob your contact info. you two can negotiate barter terms.
January 7, 2014 1:11 PM - dibs
Tell rob to go to H&R Block. I bet at most it'll cost him $29.95.

All he needs to bring is his W-2
January 7, 2014 1:22 PM - BoerumHillScott
But the play-by-play of rob's taxes can keep us entertained for months.
January 7, 2014 1:24 PM - dibs
Yes but he has to be logged in. Someone, in her haste to remove his login, never considered the longer term ramifications and loss of entertainment value.
Edited at January 7, 2014 1:24 PM
January 7, 2014 1:26 PM - Partridge
Et que la fête commence!
January 7, 2014 1:28 PM - dibs
Partridge is a busuiness woman with accounting skills. I vote for her to do them.
Edited at January 7, 2014 1:29 PM
January 7, 2014 1:29 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
dave, get off it. i know it humors you to harass people, but trust me when i tell you you had better pick another target. i'm not the one.
January 7, 2014 1:30 PM - dibs
Whatever, Snappy. You just said above that it amuses you. Apparently not. Which is it?
Edited at January 7, 2014 1:32 PM
January 7, 2014 1:30 PM - pepper
I'll pay randi to do rob's taxes... but only if the full extent of their interactions gets posted to the OT...
January 7, 2014 1:30 PM - DeLepp
sounds like someone is filling up the glitter gun.
January 7, 2014 1:31 PM - dibs
How much are you willing to pay?????
January 7, 2014 1:31 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
your stupidity and ability to blindly follow other stupidity is what's amusing.
January 7, 2014 1:32 PM - Deleted
You've got it wrong as rob said Dave is under attack all the time. Oh the horror.
January 7, 2014 1:32 PM - dibs
Oh, OK. But it still upsets you apparently.
January 7, 2014 1:32 PM - pepper
$29.95
January 7, 2014 1:33 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
oh the horror indeed. perhaps rob will ask me to unblock his account so he can help dave out.
January 7, 2014 1:34 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
nice try dave. super fail, but nice try.
January 7, 2014 1:34 PM - dibs
cash or store credit?????
January 7, 2014 1:34 PM - Partridge
Randi is a far better choice. The drama and tension will be priceless. I don't know if I could build as much excitement as we are used to during previous tax seasons. Last year's was a real nail biter.


January 7, 2014 1:35 PM - dibs
If it didn't bother you then you'd ignore it.

"you had better pick another target. i'm not the one."

I say it bothers you.
Edited at January 7, 2014 1:36 PM
January 7, 2014 1:35 PM - Deleted
Haha pepper that is an awesome idea. I'll do it for whatever hr block charges.
January 7, 2014 1:35 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
i think randi and rob should meet at a hipster place and randi can do the taxes there. the tales of the meetup alone would be endless entertainment.
Edited at January 7, 2014 1:35 PM
January 7, 2014 1:35 PM - Deleted
Did DH ever get his books?
January 7, 2014 1:35 PM - pepper
Run Run Shaw also produced Bladerunner, apparently...
January 7, 2014 1:36 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
go ahead, have the last word dave. keep stomping your feet on your fail. you are on ignore now.
January 7, 2014 1:37 PM - Partridge
That was Pepper, not me. Pay attention!
January 7, 2014 1:37 PM - BoerumHillScott
I would think that a free market person like Dave would support the right of a person to request to have an account removed from a site.
January 7, 2014 1:37 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
i think he did get the books randi. what are you willing to trade for? i think actual items are better than money. could prove more interesting.
January 7, 2014 1:38 PM - Deleted
Does anyone really believe that Rob is not lurking every single minute?
January 7, 2014 1:39 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
oh scott, stop trying to reason! didn't you get the memo on what this is really all about? sheesh! keep up man :-)
January 7, 2014 1:40 PM - Deleted
I want Miley virus fish!
Edited at January 7, 2014 1:40 PM
January 7, 2014 1:40 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
i don't think it's a question that he reads occasionally, benson. he did send me some tips/diagnosis for lp over the weekend.
Edited at January 7, 2014 1:40 PM
January 7, 2014 1:40 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
randi, no way! the fish are surely not for trade!
Edited at January 7, 2014 1:40 PM
January 7, 2014 1:41 PM - Deleted
Yes benson and he's probably playing with his little Robbie all the while.
January 7, 2014 1:42 PM - pepper
Dave always gets us confused, Part. He's apparenlty unable to differentiate between the "P"s...
Edited at January 7, 2014 1:42 PM
January 7, 2014 1:43 PM - Partridge
And how you speak for Rob too, Snappy? Perhaps it is worth a fish to him.
January 7, 2014 1:44 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
even better deal randi - you do taxes while rob takes care of the wee one. don't freak out! i'm sure if pushed, he could do a good job for an hour while you do some quick math. you may not like the wee one's first word if she spends some time with rob, but she'd be no worse for the wear if he babysat. it's a win-win-win. he gets his taxes done, you both push your comfort levels a bit, the ot gets entertainment.
January 7, 2014 1:44 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
yes, i do speak for him ridgie. i forgot that part of the angle :-)
January 7, 2014 1:44 PM - dibs
He should be told that if he wants to continue engaging here, then he should log in.

This is just a bunch of childish bullshit posting for him. Especially about the tax matter
January 7, 2014 1:46 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
randi? you there? did you stroke out from my suggestion? you considering it?
January 7, 2014 1:46 PM - Deleted
Dave you fucking moron you know rob could come back any minute he wanted to! If snappy is willing to post his crap here for him she would surely unblock his account. What are you so fucking stupid today?
January 7, 2014 1:47 PM - Deleted
Haha snappy, i have no time to do anyone's taxes. I'm just playing.
January 7, 2014 1:47 PM - Deleted
I think Randi should do the taxes in his apartment while he watches porn and takes care of little Robbie.
January 7, 2014 1:48 PM - pepper
Eeeeeew, benson.....
January 7, 2014 1:48 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
randi, rob's taxes are pretty easy. i think it's just a 1040ez form. you got 20 minutes!
January 7, 2014 1:48 PM - dibs
randi, you were the first one to ask

"OMG snappy are you really going to keep posting for rob?!"

You sound butthurt, not to mention just plain stupid.


January 7, 2014 1:50 PM - Deleted
Pepper;

Just think of the OT's that would result!!
Edited at January 7, 2014 1:50 PM
January 7, 2014 1:51 PM - dibs
Even for the 1040 EZ, there are a few things that need to be understood and calculated for what I believe are now a few special deductions/credits. No one who doesn't actually do their taxes themselves really wants to be bothered with that sort of bullshit minutiae tax code and tax table crap.
January 7, 2014 1:51 PM - Partridge
Did Arkady tell you to post that? Are you her conduit?
January 7, 2014 1:51 PM - Deleted
I was questioning why she was obliging not questioning robs ability to rejoin the OT. Again, did you have a stroke or something you are being extra dumb.
January 7, 2014 1:51 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
ok, as fun as this is i've got some more fun things to do! later losers...
January 7, 2014 1:52 PM - dibs
"extra dumb" would be relative and relative to you, no one can be "extra dumb"
Edited at January 7, 2014 1:52 PM
January 7, 2014 1:52 PM - dibs
dh must be hiding. MAybe he's over there on Gothamist
January 7, 2014 1:53 PM - pepper
I don't want to think about that, benson...
January 7, 2014 1:54 PM - Deleted
Derp
January 7, 2014 1:58 PM - dibs
CEO of Sony on CNBC….incredibly bad teeth
Edited at January 7, 2014 1:58 PM
January 7, 2014 2:03 PM - dibs
Eighty retired New York City police officers and firefighters were charged on Tuesday in one of the largest Social Security disability frauds ever, a sprawling decades-long scheme in which false mental disability claims by as many as 1,000 people cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars, according to court papers.

Scores of those charged in the case essentially stole in plain sight, according to a 205-count indictment and a bail letter, collecting between $30,000 and $50,000 a year based on fabricated claims that they were completely incapacitated by serious psychiatric disorders. Many said that their actions in response to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks were responsible for their psychiatric conditions, such as post-traumatic stress disorder, anxiety or depression.

But their Facebook pages and other websites, according to the court papers, tell a starkly different story.

The bail letter includes photographs culled from the Internet that show one riding a jet ski and others working at jobs ranging from helicopter pilot to martial arts instructor. One is shown fishing off the coast of Costa Rica and another sitting astride a motorcycle, while another appeared in a television news story selling cannoli at the Feast of San Gennaro on Mulberry Street in Manhattan.


LOL…more morons incriminating themselves through Facebook!!!!!!!!
January 7, 2014 2:04 PM - pepper
CEO of T-Mobile tossed out of AT&T's CES party...
January 7, 2014 2:05 PM - Deleted
Randi just emailed me asking ydibssobitchybro?
January 7, 2014 2:07 PM - Deleted
Dassit!
Edited at January 7, 2014 2:07 PM
January 7, 2014 2:07 PM - pepper
Hahaha, dh. We should all start posting by proxy...
January 7, 2014 2:09 PM - Deleted
I texted rob. I'll do his taxes this year.
January 7, 2014 2:09 PM - Deleted
DH just emailed me asking me to ask dibs if the carbonara at sociale is proper?
Edited at January 7, 2014 2:09 PM
January 7, 2014 2:10 PM - Deleted
Slopey just e-mailed me to express his disappointment that we are not acting like a community.
January 7, 2014 2:11 PM - dibs
dh's and randi's 5th grade teacher just emailed me asking me if I knew where they were.

The What just emailed me asking me if I had randi's mother's phone number
January 7, 2014 2:11 PM - MontroseMorris
Dave, fortunately, I'm pretty thick skinned, and don't care if you need to make fun of me whenever possible. I find your childish antics quite amusing, myself. And I'm not the only one, so aside from Rob, who thinks you are being picked on, you're not fooling anyone. Why you feel the need to do so, I have no idea.
January 7, 2014 2:12 PM - dibs
DeLepp just emailed me asking me to email Arkady to get Sparks' phone number and email it back to him
January 7, 2014 2:13 PM - dibs
bxgrl just emailed me and asked me to email MM and ask her where the rent is.
January 7, 2014 2:16 PM - Deleted
LOL, the what and my mom. Barf.
January 7, 2014 2:22 PM - MontroseMorris
Amazing Dave, because Bxgrl just emailed me to confirm I'm right about you and everything else I said today. She also confirmed I've paid my rent, and the check cleared.
Edited at January 7, 2014 2:22 PM
January 7, 2014 2:23 PM - dibs
MM, whyusobutthurttoday???????

I think the cold up there keeps you from staying on topic.
January 7, 2014 2:28 PM - pepper
dibs just emailed me to ask what styles of cufflinks I have in stock.
January 7, 2014 2:31 PM - DeLepp
There was an item on the news this morning that cufflinks(and other mens accessories(nh)) are being made by 3-D printers. The looked cool.
January 7, 2014 2:31 PM - dibs
Haven't seen them on CNBC in a long time but just saw the Grand Prospect Hall commercial on Bloomberg TV

"Ve make djour treams come true"
Edited at January 7, 2014 2:31 PM
January 7, 2014 2:33 PM - dibs
DeLepp…it's far worse than you think……



http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/scanning-the-future-of-3d-printed-sex-toys-nsfw
January 7, 2014 2:42 PM - DeLepp
NSFW!!!
January 7, 2014 2:46 PM - DeLepp
A tad narcissistic? I would think on the spectrum of NPD.
January 7, 2014 2:50 PM - DeLepp
If I can home with a 3-D of mine I'm sure Andy would invoke his authority as power of attorney and haul me off to Bellvue.
January 7, 2014 2:51 PM - dibs
I wouldn't mind something like that to remind me of Fulgencio!!!!!


Sorry, I didn't even read the story past the first paragraph to see the NSFW pics
Edited at January 7, 2014 2:54 PM
January 7, 2014 2:52 PM - dibs
Buying SPLS…Staples. Just launched a rebranding. They are the second largest online retailer after Amazon.

Stock exhibits a two year inverse head and shoulders pattern and yields 3.1%
January 7, 2014 2:53 PM - Deleted
Can't you just keep some thoughts to yourself?
January 7, 2014 2:53 PM - pepper
Yeah, not so SFW...
Dave, you can learn how to do it yourself using the "open source dildo instructional manual"...
January 7, 2014 2:53 PM - Deleted
Inverse head. LOL.
January 7, 2014 2:55 PM - dibs
Remember, I got rid of all my dildos when I sold the house. They were recycled into something that Part sells or randi drinks out of
January 7, 2014 2:57 PM - pepper
Do you miss them?
January 7, 2014 3:00 PM - dibs
No. I had a bf a long time ago who liked to use toys. Otherwise never used them.

What about yours?
January 7, 2014 3:00 PM - Deleted
Dibs is in fine form today.
Edited at January 7, 2014 3:00 PM
January 7, 2014 3:01 PM - pepper
I don't have any dildos...
January 7, 2014 3:04 PM - Deleted
"Can't you just keep some thoughts to yourself?"

New to the OT, are you?
January 7, 2014 3:04 PM - dibs
Sorry, I must be mixing you up with Part again
January 7, 2014 3:09 PM - DeLepp
dave, I see a business for you. Get a 3-d machine and set up shop in Jackson Heights on Roosevelt.
January 7, 2014 3:09 PM - pepper
Boooooooooo.
Edited at January 7, 2014 3:09 PM
January 7, 2014 3:12 PM - Deleted
Dildont talk about dildos
January 7, 2014 3:14 PM - dibs
dh is more interested in butt plugs
January 7, 2014 3:14 PM - pepper
Maybe he could use the 3D printer for his sea salt business - sure would be a lot faster than his current attempt...
January 7, 2014 3:15 PM - DeLepp
Imagine a dildo remittance business. Where would that be classified on the govt's cash journal.
January 7, 2014 3:18 PM - dibs
Probably buried somewhere in the rear
January 7, 2014 3:19 PM - DeLepp
lol
January 7, 2014 3:19 PM - Deleted
FYI - dildos are for gays, vibrators are for women.
January 7, 2014 3:20 PM - dibs
Hey, rf, where's your Alt Side Parking update????


DeBlahsio on NY1 just said they are in effect tomorrow
January 7, 2014 3:22 PM - dibs
Hey randi, the generic term is "dildo" or sex toy. Vibrators are merely a battery operated subset.

They can all be used interchangeably by either gays, heteros, autosexuals, men and women.

NSFW….. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dildo

Just FYI
Edited at January 7, 2014 3:23 PM
January 7, 2014 3:23 PM - pepper
The OT is very educational.
January 7, 2014 3:24 PM - BoerumHillScott
Not all dildos are vibrators, and not all vibrators are dildos.
January 7, 2014 3:25 PM - dibs
I wonder if DeBlahsio will have fling with anyone on his staff (nh). He is, afterall, a democrat.
January 7, 2014 3:28 PM - Deleted
Some dildos vibrate but no vibrators are dildos.
Edited at January 7, 2014 3:28 PM
January 7, 2014 3:30 PM - dibs
"Some dildos vibrate but no vibrators are dildos."

More stupidity.
January 7, 2014 3:47 PM - dibs
Anyone seen the Rolling Stone story on what the millennials should do???

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/five-economic-reforms-millennials-should-be-fighting-for-20140103

Sounds essentially like a communist manifesto.

"Take Back The Land" Really??? i guess you're just clueless as to how a whole banking system based on landowner's rights (Soto Priciples) works.

"Make Everything Owned By Everybody"

This is really grovelling by the Rolling Stone. I guess readership is way down.

Maybe rebrand it with some millenial indie band name.
January 7, 2014 3:48 PM - Deleted
Omfg please go do something.
January 7, 2014 3:49 PM - MontroseMorris
"I wonder if DeBlahsio will have fling with anyone on his staff (nh). He is, afterall, a democrat."

Let's see....without even looking it up......Newt Gingrich, Bob Dole, Rudy Giuliani, Strom Thurmond, Henry Hyde, Ronald Reagan, Pete Dominici, Dwight Eisenhower, the list goes on....
Edited at January 7, 2014 3:50 PM
January 7, 2014 3:56 PM - DeLepp
God bless if Strom could manage an affair at his advance dottage in his final years.
January 7, 2014 3:56 PM - Deleted
Who was that anti gay guy out west who got caught cruising an airport bathroom?
January 7, 2014 4:00 PM - dibs
"I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN"

How many other great memorable quotes are there from Dermocrat presidents
January 7, 2014 4:01 PM - pepper
The wide stance guy randi?
January 7, 2014 4:02 PM - pepper
Ha. Larry Craig. All you have to do is google "wide stance".
January 7, 2014 4:02 PM - Deleted
Ronald Reagan had a fling? When did that happen?
January 7, 2014 4:03 PM - Deleted
Also, Bob Dole?
January 7, 2014 4:06 PM - dibs
I'm having a good time over there on the Rolling Stone blog
January 7, 2014 4:06 PM - pepper
I don't think either party can claim moral superiority on this one. Many instances of indiscretions on both sides of the aisle...
January 7, 2014 4:07 PM - dibs
benson, she's really fast and loose with the facts today.
January 7, 2014 4:07 PM - Deleted
Yes, philandering is bi-partisan!
January 7, 2014 4:10 PM - pepper
dibs, there are almost 6,000 comments over there. How am I supposed to find you?
January 7, 2014 4:12 PM - dibs
Just the last 30 minutes or so, pepper. Besides, my avatar from here should be highly visible
Edited at January 7, 2014 4:13 PM
January 7, 2014 4:16 PM - Deleted
Read my lips no new taxes. Or whatever that Moron said.
January 7, 2014 4:19 PM - dibs
WOW…Rolling Stone article has a decidedly right wing Republican majority in its comments. Perhaps though I classify them wrongly. Perhaps they still have an older readership that just believes in hard work and not whining about entitlements.
January 7, 2014 4:20 PM - dibs
randi, you fucking idiot, that was from George HW Bush. Like I said, gimmie one from a Democrat.
January 7, 2014 4:31 PM - Deleted
Dave, outside the handful of lefty sites you troll most comment threads are heavily right leaning. And if drudge links to the article shit gets out of hand. Every other comment is banned.
January 7, 2014 4:33 PM - BoerumHillScott
News alert: Humans have sex with other humans, and not always they ones they are in a legal/religious/social/personal monogamous contract with. Some of them even lie about it, then get caught.
January 7, 2014 4:34 PM - ilovestoops
Shirley, shirley, no one is seriously considering doing rob's taxes. what kind of masochists are you people! and others find the back-and-forth entertaining? really: "I didn't get my taxes", "I emailed them to you", ad nauseum.
January 7, 2014 4:35 PM - petebklyn
Ronald Reagan divorced and lived in Hollywood in those days. And do you know what Nancy's nickname was?
January 7, 2014 4:35 PM - ilovestoops
today is my "full SS benefits payment" day. I got several e-cards. I hate e-cards - they're so irritating! but I love that it is acknowledged!
January 7, 2014 4:39 PM - Deleted
"Ronald Reagan divorced and lived in Hollywood in those days. And do you know what Nancy's nickname was?"

Pete;

Thank you for the innuendo and smears. Now, do you have any factual response to my question above? By the way, may I point out this response the next time you give one of your pompous lectures about how we should not smear politicians?
January 7, 2014 4:39 PM - dibs
And no one cares about the political inclinations of whom they have sex with. At least men don't
January 7, 2014 4:39 PM - pepper
"Ich bin ein Berliner"
January 7, 2014 4:42 PM - dibs
RS writer on CNBC now.
January 7, 2014 4:44 PM - Deleted
Oh, and by the way, Pete. The conversation was about politicians having affairs in office. So, exactly when did Ronald Reagan have an affair in office?
Edited at January 7, 2014 4:44 PM
January 7, 2014 4:45 PM - MontroseMorris
Yes, philandering is bi-partisan. Trying to blame it all on Dems is ridiculous, so Dave will try.

Reagan's marriage to Jane Wyman was floundering, due to his involvement in politics but more from the premature death of their third child, but he then had an affair with a British star named Patricia Roc, aka "Bed Roc." He and Wyman divorced.

Bob Dole had an affair with Meredeth Roberts in the 1960s, also while his marriage floundered, before he and his first wife divorced. She came forward with the affair, and he never denied it, but when it came out when he was running against Clinton, the press decided it wasn't relevant anymore, since it had happened 30 some years before, and never went any farther with it than a headline or two. There's a book written about the whole mess (the press decisions).

Personally, I think cheating on your spouse is awful, and puts you in my "dog" category, no matter what party you are in, but is a personal problem between the parties involved. It does not make one a better or a worse politician, except when those who have cheated cast aspersions on other cheaters, while taking the moral high ground. That is hypocrisy of the worst sort. Newt Gingrich was one of the worst of those.
Edited at January 7, 2014 4:45 PM
January 7, 2014 4:51 PM - petebklyn
So - I guess you do know what Nancy's nickname was then. Yes - that reputation before he was in office. But I'd bet that was one reasons he married her.
Edited at January 7, 2014 4:50 PM
January 7, 2014 4:54 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
what was the nickname? inquiring minds wanna know
January 7, 2014 4:56 PM - Deleted
As I said, Pete, I'll cite this the next time you give one of your pompous lectures.

Montrose,

The IMDB links Roc to Reagan in the mid-40's, when he was a struggling actor, single and not a politician:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0733540/bio

Her Wikipedia page makes no mention of an affair with Reagan when he was married to Jane Wyman:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricia_Roc
January 7, 2014 4:56 PM - Deleted
News flash - powerful men like to fuck around.
January 7, 2014 4:57 PM - Deleted
Lol benson is full of butthurt
January 7, 2014 4:58 PM - Deleted
DH;

If citing facts is butthurt, so be it.
Edited at January 7, 2014 4:58 PM
January 7, 2014 4:59 PM - petebklyn
Ronnie was too old to have affair when president. Remember that was before viagra.
January 7, 2014 5:03 PM - MontroseMorris
According to an article in the Daily Mail,

In his biography of Patricia Roc, one of the British cinema’s top box-office stars of the 1940s and 1950s, Hodgson alleges that in 1945, with his first marriage to screen star Jane Wyman in ruins, Reagan suffered a severe nervous breakdown.

This startling fact has never been revealed before, but Hodgson had access to Miss Roc’s private papers and they detail her scandalous affairs with married men — which earned her the name ‘Bed Roc’ within the film industry,

According to Hodgson, it was only Roc’s willingness to have a passionate affair with ­Reagan that prevented him from ­taking his own life — something he was threatening, such was the depth of his depression following the collapse of his marriage.

Their relationship, which began in Hollywood, where Roc was starring in a movie, continued in London while Reagan was ­filming at a British studio.

And Hodgson maintains that if Roc had accepted the newly-divorced Reagan’s subsequent proposal of marriage in 1948, there would have been, in the fullness of time, an English First Lady in the White House.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1327173/Patricia-Roc-The-British-beauty-saved-Ronald-Reagan-suicide.html#ixzz2pkiaQdSS

Funny how Wiki is a horrible source when cited for anything else, but now is the holy writ because they don't mention any affairs.
Edited at January 7, 2014 5:03 PM
January 7, 2014 5:06 PM - Deleted
Montrose;

That passage speaks for itself.


Edited at January 7, 2014 5:06 PM
January 7, 2014 5:06 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
is 'bed roc' the nickname you were referring to pete?
January 7, 2014 5:09 PM - petebklyn
BJ Nancy if you must know, snappy. But I don't like repeating such talk. Keep it between us.
January 7, 2014 5:10 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
oh dear. i never heard that before. seems like such an awful thing to call such a nice lady :-( i'm gonna wipe that from my memory now.
January 7, 2014 5:11 PM - Deleted
I got my hospital bill. I owe 6000 of an 18000 bill. Yeah American health care system!
January 7, 2014 5:11 PM - Deleted
"And Hodgson maintains that if Roc had accepted the newly-divorced Reagan’s subsequent proposal of marriage in 1948, there would have been, in the fullness of time, an English First Lady in the White House."

Hahahahaha. Is this guy now on the panel predicting global warming??? Excellent, quality citation there, Montrose.
January 7, 2014 5:11 PM - Deleted
"And Hodgson maintains that if Roc had accepted the newly-divorced Reagan’s subsequent proposal of marriage in 1948, there would have been, in the fullness of time, an English First Lady in the White House."

Hahahahaha. Is this guy now on the panel predicting global warming??? Excellent, quality citation there, Montrose.
January 7, 2014 5:12 PM - dibs
I bet Jane Fonda, who played Nancy in the Butler movie, gave far more BJs
January 7, 2014 5:12 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
cripes, randi! is that par for the course with the type of insurance you have? did you choose a super high deductible or something?
January 7, 2014 5:12 PM - Slope4Eva
Happy SS Benefits Day, Stoops!!

I liked Reagan (alot), he was a bit of a dog though, from what I've read, I wasn't there.
January 7, 2014 5:13 PM - petebklyn
I think more you had crummy insurance rather than system. They did take good care of you and found out what was wrong, no?
January 7, 2014 5:14 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
wait...i missed something! stoops, is today your origination date???!!!!!
January 7, 2014 5:14 PM - dibs
Christie signs "Dream Act"
January 7, 2014 5:14 PM - Deleted
3500 deductible, then 30% out of pocket until I hit a max of 18k per year.
January 7, 2014 5:16 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
damn. can i ask what your monthly premium is? are you in that freelancer's union inusrance?
January 7, 2014 5:17 PM - dibs
The worst of the SSD offenders are the police and firemen who claimed they were at Ground Zero and were not.

SS Admin says they have stopped payments today to all arrested.
January 7, 2014 5:18 PM - dibs
So you are still liable for another $12,000 this year??? Get off that plan immediately.
January 7, 2014 5:19 PM - petebklyn
don't worry. Nancy and Jane together no competition for you.
January 7, 2014 5:19 PM - Deleted
Yes Pete I felt taken care of. Not sure I'd call my insurance crummy, it's just lower premium which is reasonable for someone my age and health (or so I thought). And yes I blame the system, compared to say Germany where my sister lives. They pay nothing. I'd rather pay more taxes and actually get something out of it.
January 7, 2014 5:20 PM - MontroseMorris
Hey Benson, I really don't give a flying fahootie if Reagan had an affair or not. Rare is the Hollywood actor who hasn't, and rarer still a powerful politician. I also don't care if you like my sources. You asked, I answered. You can choose to believe the guy, and therefore the woman behind him who said it happened, or not. Just as I can choose to believe all the sources you cite for whatever reason. If you want to believe that St. Ronald of Reagan was as pure as the driven snow, so be it.
January 7, 2014 5:21 PM - petebklyn
so -- under your philosophy food should not be cheap but health care should be.
January 7, 2014 5:24 PM - petebklyn
reagan's never claimed to be like sexual moralists. I believe that had a very loving close romance and relationship.
Not really read about their escapades after married....good chance didn't have....but certainly before married to each other they both of them had been around the block quite a few times. Doesn't change how I feel about them.
January 7, 2014 5:24 PM - Deleted
Montrose;

Given the fields that Reagan came from (Hollywood and politics), it's highly likely that he had an affair. However, unlike some of the other cases cited above, it is not a known fact, and I don't take the word of a single scandal-monger as fact.

I think people should be held to account when they make an argument, and play loose with the facts. And that is why I asked you to cite your source. As I said, it speaks for itself.
January 7, 2014 5:27 PM - rf
Benson, did you not cite Wikipedia as proof that he didn't?
January 7, 2014 5:28 PM - Deleted
Actually I am liable for 18k, it's a new year.
January 7, 2014 5:29 PM - Deleted
Yes Pete. I never said food should be expensive, but it also shouldn't be Costco priced.
January 7, 2014 5:29 PM - Deleted
On no, Mrs. Argumentative is here.

Later folks.
January 7, 2014 5:30 PM - Deleted
I kinda wish my login here was 'flying fahootie'
January 7, 2014 5:45 PM - dibs
I kinda wish I had been reading the rolling stone blogs a lot more
Edited at January 7, 2014 5:45 PM
January 7, 2014 5:49 PM - MontroseMorris
"Benson, did you not cite Wikipedia as proof that he didn't?"

I believe the correct phrase here is "PWND".


Edited at January 7, 2014 5:52 PM
January 7, 2014 5:56 PM - Deleted
Montrose;

Please point out the post where I claimed that he never had an affair. I never tried to prove a negative (that he didn't have one). Rather, I was asking you to prove your declarative statement that he did have one, and made those citations to show that they didn't support your statement.
January 7, 2014 6:00 PM - petebklyn
"As I said, Pete, I'll cite this the next time you give one of your pompous lectures."

Snappy, can you change my name on here to PompousPete?Has a better ring to it.

(of course dibs will chime in that I should be called PomPomPete)
January 7, 2014 6:03 PM - MontroseMorris
I never claimed you did. But you have to admit, telling me MY source, (and he wasn't the only one who claimed so, just the one I chose to illustrate it) is lame, with no other indication except he writes about celebs, is hardly proof of anything either. And then using WIKI!!!! to back that up is an irony beyond irony.

As I said before, I have no dog in this race. I could care less if Reagan had an affair.
January 7, 2014 6:07 PM - dibs
here's a new avatar as well
Edited at January 7, 2014 6:07 PM
January 7, 2014 6:14 PM - petebklyn
NIVEA? is that your preferred 'moisturizer'?
Edited at January 7, 2014 6:14 PM
January 7, 2014 6:18 PM - petebklyn
so - to change subject and interject some butch talk.....DO you know if mitre boxes come in larger sizes to cut larger
moulding. Appparently mitre box we have only fits up to 4" moulding but I think the moulding is 4 and 1/2.
I tried looking up online but they don't seem to give that info on web sites I looked at.
Edited at January 7, 2014 6:18 PM
January 7, 2014 6:22 PM - dibs
They don't get very large but you, er, I mean lesbiman, can make one using three pieces of wood fastened together in the same shape and then just use a speed square to get the angle right.

Speed square…. I'm sure he has one. If not I'll have to readjust my regard of him.
Edited at January 7, 2014 6:22 PM
January 7, 2014 6:23 PM - dibs
Besides, if these are crown moldings and not flat ones, they can't be cut that way. They have to be cut "standing up but upside down" and then you need a coping saw

Coping saw….
January 7, 2014 6:26 PM - petebklyn
will just use a chop saw but that necessitates bringing moulding back upstate. Was hoping to just find larger mitre at HD or somewhere to use tonight if they sell such a thing.
January 7, 2014 6:29 PM - dibs
Not sure what width they come in. There may be larger ones.

Sorry.
January 7, 2014 6:30 PM - dibs
This style would work. More expensive.
Edited at January 7, 2014 6:30 PM
January 7, 2014 6:30 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
hey mm, you still around? what do you know about eastlake style? have you ever seen eastlake elements mixed with more modern things and still look good?
Edited at January 7, 2014 6:30 PM
January 7, 2014 6:32 PM - petebklyn
David Brooks column about boutique hotels today. He must be running out of ideas of what to write about.
January 7, 2014 6:32 PM - Deleted
Derp.
January 7, 2014 6:33 PM - ilovestoops
snappy: I like mixed styles much better than everything matching or similar, but I don't have very good taste! and yes - today's the day

we had a couple of eastlake side tables with marble tops at the farm but too much trouble to send up here - I looked them up and they weren't worth much
January 7, 2014 6:34 PM - petebklyn
surprising how much cold I can feel by the stove -- from the range vent. I guess just a simple flap on outside of building
doesn't provide much insulation. Probably same with dryer and bathroom vents too.
January 7, 2014 6:36 PM - ilovestoops
pete: the other day you said your stove at the country place wasn't working (fuel issue, I think). If this happens a lot, or if it happens a little but when you're there for a while, you may want to get a portable burner. I got a mag induction one to try before I bought a cooktop and it's the best thing ever! used it for everything instead of the stove. also, the combined microwave/convection oven I'm always recommending would enable you to cook anything. both are 110v.
January 7, 2014 6:38 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
HAPPY ORIGINATION DATE STOOPS!
January 7, 2014 6:40 PM - dibs
Robert Gates with scathing critique of Obama's foreign policy on defense in his new book
January 7, 2014 6:45 PM - MontroseMorris
Snappy, I really like Eastlake, and because much *can* be minimalist, compared to other Victorian styles, it blends well with other things. Later Eastlake gets very fussy, but I know you hate that stuff, anyway. I'm thinking of what people call "spoon carved" pieces like below. I have several of these type pieces, including my bedroom set, and I love them.
January 7, 2014 6:45 PM - dibs
I sure hope stoops and me and Pete don't deplete the SS funds before dh and randi get a bite at them
Edited at January 7, 2014 6:45 PM
January 7, 2014 6:47 PM - dibs
That's a nice dresser.
January 7, 2014 6:49 PM - MontroseMorris
The headboard on my bed is very similar to this. The sides are much lower and not ornamented.
January 7, 2014 6:49 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
thanks, mm! i've recently (since last nite!) fell in love with eastlake pulls and want to put them on my more modern looking dresser.
January 7, 2014 6:49 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
that bed is great. love the wood.
January 7, 2014 6:50 PM - MontroseMorris
Yeah, Dave, I wouldn't mind owning that one myself.
January 7, 2014 6:50 PM - rf
Hey! What about me? I intend to start collecting on my 66th origin day in June, to pay for college for my kid.
January 7, 2014 6:51 PM - MontroseMorris
I think you could. I love Eastlake hardware. Probably my favorite style of hardware.
January 7, 2014 6:51 PM - petebklyn
stove finally came on ( and the dryer too). Just takes awhile. I think is cold weather issue up there when we haven't used the appliances for awhile. We do have convection/microwave and of course the outside gas grill.

January 7, 2014 6:53 PM - Deleted
Holy shit this 2 year aged prosciutto I got at eataly is good.
January 7, 2014 6:55 PM - Deleted
Aww Dave and mm bond over furniture. Maybe you two shouldn't talk politics????
January 7, 2014 6:56 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
randi, when you gonna cook for us?
Edited at January 7, 2014 6:56 PM
January 7, 2014 7:00 PM - Deleted
At dhs spring bbq?
Edited at January 7, 2014 7:00 PM
January 7, 2014 7:00 PM - dibs
Maybe you shouldn't talk at all, randi.

Jussayin
January 7, 2014 7:00 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
ok dh, you're on deck for a spring bbq!
Edited at January 7, 2014 7:00 PM
January 7, 2014 7:02 PM - petebklyn
I don't call this scathing but perhaps you're borrowing your term from FauxNews:
"Mr. Gates writes that Mr. Obama’s approval for the Navy SEAL mission, despite strong doubts that bin Laden even was there, was “one of the most courageous decisions I had ever witnessed in the White House.”
January 7, 2014 7:03 PM - petebklyn
if weren't so darned cold and windy I'd walk up to Atlantic avenue for a swim.
Edited at January 7, 2014 7:03 PM
January 7, 2014 7:08 PM - MontroseMorris
Randi, I have a beautiful Eastlake table and mirror that Dave gave me when he sold his house. He does have his better moments, and I try to remember those when he gets cranky.
Edited at January 7, 2014 7:08 PM
January 7, 2014 7:08 PM - dibs
Yes, he praised the capture of bin Laden. The rest was pretty scathing
January 7, 2014 7:13 PM - petebklyn
sounds more to me like he disapproves of the disengagement from Afghanistan. So - he would then find your viewpoint/perspective more objectionable.
January 7, 2014 7:17 PM - petebklyn
just got a call from this possible scam:
http://www.arizonadailyindependent.com/2013/12/14/alert-yavapai-county-victims-avoid-senior-crime-watch-scam/
January 7, 2014 7:18 PM - Deleted
Jussayin
Edited at January 7, 2014 7:18 PM
January 7, 2014 7:24 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
January 7, 2014 7:24 PM - sixyearsandcounting
http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/04/07/us-france-bosses-idUSTRE5362ME20090407

"Almost half of French people believe it is acceptable for workers facing layoffs to lock up their bosses, according to an opinion poll published on Tuesday.

Staff at French plants run by Sony, 3M and Caterpillar have held managers inside the factories overnight, in three separate incidents, to demand better layoff terms -- a new form of labor action dubbed "bossnapping" by the media."


January 7, 2014 7:29 PM - BirdnestHead
That's right, baby! I had "Marconi" for Final Jeopardy! None of the contestants got it, although I thought "Fermi" was kind of cute...
January 7, 2014 7:29 PM - dibs
Goodyear plant yesterday, Six
January 7, 2014 7:31 PM - Deleted
I love the French, so full of contradictions.
Edited at January 7, 2014 7:31 PM
January 7, 2014 7:31 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
lol @ bossnapping. although here we call that false imprisonment and kidnapping :-)
January 7, 2014 7:34 PM - Deleted
Not hard to boss nap somebody when he looks like this
Edited at January 7, 2014 7:34 PM
January 7, 2014 7:36 PM - petebklyn
sounds pretty tame to me. years ago they would have been sent to guillotine.

My Roth is up 35%-ish for year. Considering some of it is 'Global' mutual funds I think pretty good since I think globally things weren't as good as here in Barack Obama's USA.
Edited at January 7, 2014 7:36 PM
January 7, 2014 7:37 PM - sixyearsandcounting
napping...like a boss
January 7, 2014 7:37 PM - dibs
I got it too, BnH but probably not in time to have written it down.
Edited at January 7, 2014 7:37 PM
January 7, 2014 7:38 PM - ilovestoops
love that dresser! much better than the side tables we had. haven't been familiar with eastlake hardware but I love the handle snappy posted - is it reasonably priced?

Thanks, snaps!
January 7, 2014 7:38 PM - Deleted
Lol sure you did Dave.
January 7, 2014 7:38 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
lol, dh.
January 7, 2014 7:40 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
stoops, depends on how you define "reasonably!!!" prices vary based on finish and center to center measurement, but range is about $6-8 per handle. would love to find it in pewter.
January 7, 2014 7:40 PM - petebklyn
stuffed some towels and tried half-heartedly to block range vent with plastic.
Edited at January 7, 2014 7:40 PM
January 7, 2014 7:42 PM - petebklyn
pewter is too fragile for drawer handles.
Edited at January 7, 2014 7:42 PM
January 7, 2014 7:42 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
pete, use the frost king brand window film for the vent. stuff really works. keeps air from coming in my window with the a.c. in it.
January 7, 2014 7:43 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
is it? so i should nix any pewter drawer pulls i drooled over? phooey.
Edited at January 7, 2014 7:44 PM
January 7, 2014 7:43 PM - BirdnestHead
Well done, dibs, and thank you for intelligent and informative comments on investment strategies earlier.
January 7, 2014 7:44 PM - ilovestoops
pewter handles would look great on a black dresser! sort of costly if a lot of handles but ok for a few since they look that great. where'd you find them?

by the way, do I need to read yesterday's OT for a discussion of downton abbey?
January 7, 2014 7:45 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
yeah, stoops. i'm finding that i like pewter better than satin nickel, polished chrome, etc. because those seem too shiny for a dresser. just been googling like crazy and checking pinterest and houzz. home depot and lowes have crap :-(
Edited at January 7, 2014 7:45 PM
January 7, 2014 7:47 PM - petebklyn
probably 'pewter finish' and not pewter , no?
January 7, 2014 7:47 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
with current setup, i'd need 16 handles. i've decided that i'm going to fill 8 of the spaces and just use 8 handles. will also be filling 3 spaces so i only need 4 knobs. if i kept all the existing holes, the hardware will wind up costing more than double what the dresser did!
January 7, 2014 7:48 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
yes, you are right pete. pewter finish, not solid pewter. i'd hate to even think what that would cost if it were!
January 7, 2014 7:49 PM - dibs
The pewter will be fine. Pete has no idea what he's talking about. Besides, they aen't real pewter, just made to look like it.
January 7, 2014 7:51 PM - pepper
No Stoops, we haven't really discussed Downton at all...
Edited at January 7, 2014 7:51 PM
January 7, 2014 7:53 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
pepper, how's the tourist situation in our neck of the woods? any idea if the tunnel is open post fire?
January 7, 2014 7:55 PM - BirdnestHead
To revisit:

"Edna is going to be as much trouble as O'Brien was. Can't someone find Lady Grantham an honest lady's maid?"
Edited at January 7, 2014 7:55 PM
January 7, 2014 7:56 PM - dibs
I got the final Wheel as well, randi.
January 7, 2014 7:56 PM - petebklyn
tourists? tunnel fire? what Are you talking about?
January 7, 2014 7:57 PM - pepper
Tourists are back down to a normal level, Snappy. It's possible to walk down the street again! But have no idea about the tunnel - you mean the tunnel to the subway, right?
January 7, 2014 7:57 PM - dibs
I don't like Braithwaite at all. At least O'Brien was entertaining.

And Thomas is going to fall hard when he does.

What other options did O'Brien have that she left the show?
January 7, 2014 7:58 PM - pepper
The transformer explosion by Snappy's office yesterday, Pete.... I work very nearby.
January 7, 2014 7:58 PM - Partridge
Happy SS Day, Stoops. Hope it is a good one.


January 7, 2014 7:58 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
yes, that tunnel. hoping to be able to avoid being outside up there. this air is deadly for me.
January 7, 2014 7:59 PM - Deleted
Good job Dave. I'm drinking pinot noir from Oregon.
January 7, 2014 8:00 PM - pepper
I was wondering the same thing, dave. I was quite shocked that O'Brien left. And really not in-like with Edna - she seems kind of boring, in a nasty pretty-girl way...
January 7, 2014 8:00 PM - petebklyn
I missed this. Must have not been covered in the NYTimes.
Edited at January 7, 2014 8:00 PM
January 7, 2014 8:02 PM - pepper
Well, it was covered by the OT, pete, so you really have no excuse...
Edited at January 7, 2014 8:02 PM
January 7, 2014 8:06 PM - Partridge
Snappy, dare I ask, how can you reduce the draw pulls by 1/2 and have them function properly?
January 7, 2014 8:07 PM - Deleted
Made a hot toddy. Finally killed this bottle of henny I've had for years.
Edited at January 7, 2014 8:07 PM
January 7, 2014 8:08 PM - dibs
"pinot noir from Oregon"

How quaint.
January 7, 2014 8:08 PM - petebklyn
what page? I see the fire in the highrise apt building the strand i think it is called. but no transformer article.
Edited at January 7, 2014 8:08 PM
January 7, 2014 8:12 PM - petebklyn
regular IRA up only 10%. There were several years when everyone could have one and contribute - back when Ronnie was president but after he was finished having affairs. My mother insisted I open one.

January 7, 2014 8:14 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
part, what you see below is one drawer. has spaces for 4 pulls, each 2.5" center to center. my plan is to fill, sand and paint the upper two holes on the right and left and place pulls on the lower section, reducing the number of pulls for one drawer from 4 to 2. will that be a bad thing?
Edited at January 7, 2014 8:14 PM
January 7, 2014 8:15 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
dunno if that pic is clear enough. is it visible?
Edited at January 7, 2014 8:15 PM
January 7, 2014 8:16 PM - Deleted
Grey goose and tonic would be quaint. Red wine is just red wine.
January 7, 2014 8:17 PM - Deleted
No snaps it's not.
January 7, 2014 8:18 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
no the pic isn't clear or no that's not a bad thing?
January 7, 2014 8:21 PM - Deleted
Not clear
Edited at January 7, 2014 8:21 PM
January 7, 2014 8:22 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
crap.
January 7, 2014 8:24 PM - ilovestoops
the pic is fine and now I understand the early question about putty or dowels!
January 7, 2014 8:26 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
how's this? placed matchsticks in the holes...
Edited at January 7, 2014 8:26 PM
January 7, 2014 8:27 PM - Partridge
Clear to me. I think it is a bad thing. The drawer design is that of an 'illusion'. One draw made to look like two. By eliminating the upper pair you ruin the balance and intention. Honestly, I think you are obsessing over getting the greatest pulls in the world at a low price. Better to have the 16 at a lesser price even if you are not in love with the pulls.
Edited at January 7, 2014 8:27 PM
January 7, 2014 8:27 PM - Legion
I came home to a frozen pipe in one of the bathroom showers.
...took care of it instead of whining like a liberal.
Now it's running fine. ;o)

If anyone wants to know what to do, let me know and I'll describe what to do.
January 7, 2014 8:27 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Who says academics are uptight?

http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cas/4273152554.html
January 7, 2014 8:28 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
crap. ok. will reconsider.
January 7, 2014 8:30 PM - Partridge
Legion, had my store gate padlocks freeze on me today. Wanna know how I solved that problem? ;)
Edited at January 7, 2014 8:29 PM
January 7, 2014 8:31 PM - ilovestoops
thomas is such an ass! wasn't he given a 2nd chance already.....and he persists in lying and being such a bad guy! one of his lies turned out to have a good result, though!

Isabel Cawley is still the most admirable person on the show.

I think the producers must have been pissed off that Matthew left, otherwise would have just sent him on a trip or have him not appear, but be referred to, for a while. it's like when they killed off the colonel in mash because they were mad he left the show.
January 7, 2014 8:31 PM - Partridge
Can I see a picture of the who;e dresser again? Could be an old one. Doesn't matter if before you painted.
January 7, 2014 8:33 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
six, i was giggling 'til i read he was married :-/
January 7, 2014 8:33 PM - pepper
Pete: 5:01, 5:03, 5:07, 5:15, 5:30...
January 7, 2014 8:33 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
here she is...
Edited at January 7, 2014 8:33 PM
January 7, 2014 8:33 PM - Legion
haha partridge,
...did you use a hair dryer?
January 7, 2014 8:35 PM - Partridge
Guess again. Remember I'm outside on the street.
January 7, 2014 8:36 PM - Legion
...hot water from the corner deli?
January 7, 2014 8:37 PM - pepper
Poured your hot coffee over it?
January 7, 2014 8:37 PM - Deleted
You can't eliminate half the pulls it'll look weird and off balance.
January 7, 2014 8:37 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
cigarette lighter or matches
January 7, 2014 8:37 PM - Deleted
Pissed on it.
January 7, 2014 8:38 PM - pepper
jinx, sort of, Legion!
January 7, 2014 8:38 PM - DeLepp
lighter?
January 7, 2014 8:39 PM - Partridge
Thanks, got it Snaps. So many things will look great on that piece. I think you are trying too hard. Simple would be better from my perspective. I'll find you something, but you will reject it, I know...
Edited at January 7, 2014 8:39 PM
January 7, 2014 8:41 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
desperation has kicked in. i'll take it if it's reasonably priced. i kvit!

so what did you use on the lock?
January 7, 2014 8:41 PM - ilovestoops
it's ok if it looks weird and off-balance if you like it!
January 7, 2014 8:42 PM - Partridge
Yes, cup of hot water from deli! Put also have used rubbing alcohol. Does the same trick.
January 7, 2014 8:42 PM - Legion
Is that an original Farbman dresser?
If so, I wouldn't change the hardware.
Edited at January 7, 2014 8:42 PM
January 7, 2014 8:42 PM - pepper
Snappy's drawer pull search is bordering on a certain paint chip discussion I seem to recall ;o)
January 7, 2014 8:45 PM - ilovestoops
snappy: just paint fake handles where the missing ones are - doesn't matter if they don't match the ones you buy. that way you get to have the ones you love.
January 7, 2014 8:45 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
lol...except i've got no one snoozing in mine legion! good ole carl farbman :-)
Edited at January 7, 2014 8:45 PM
January 7, 2014 8:46 PM - Partridge
Why not this type in a pewter finish with matching knobs?
January 7, 2014 8:46 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
if only i were that talented! my hands shake too much. can't paint on handles.
January 7, 2014 8:46 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
fine. i'll take it. where'd you find that? is she cheap?
January 7, 2014 8:48 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
cheap is key...remember i need 16
Edited at January 7, 2014 8:48 PM
January 7, 2014 8:48 PM - Partridge
Gimme the spread again and I'll find them for you.
January 7, 2014 8:49 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
2.5" center to center
Edited at January 7, 2014 8:49 PM
January 7, 2014 8:49 PM - Partridge
The one I posted is $16.59. I'll find them cheap.
January 7, 2014 8:50 PM - Deleted
Did LP piss on the sidewalk?
January 7, 2014 8:52 PM - pepper
No, on the lock, dh. Please try and keep up.... ;o)
January 7, 2014 8:52 PM - Legion
partridge,
I used to be in charge of the gate locks on my father's cash register repair shop in ENY.
Every winter, at least one of those heavy steel locks would freeze up. Hot water worked good but make sure you bring them in and place them on the radiator to dry out completely.

Over time we started using Lock-Ease with graphite powder every Winter and the sticking problem went away.
Edited at January 7, 2014 8:52 PM
January 7, 2014 8:55 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
comes with a flexible snorkel, eh? lol
January 7, 2014 8:58 PM - Partridge
Yes, know that stuff. So tell us about your pipe? What did you do?
January 7, 2014 9:11 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
ok...it's my horizontal time. nitey nite all. sweet dreams :-)
January 7, 2014 9:15 PM - ilovestoops
stencils
January 7, 2014 9:17 PM - Partridge
You are so cute, Stoops. Love your 'outside o the box' thinking.
January 7, 2014 9:23 PM - Legion
ok,
to unfreeze a frozen water line behind the wall;
-first open the faucet to alleviate pressure inside the line.
Water has the unique property of increasing in size as it freezes (this has to do with the Hydrogen bond structure but I won't get into that boring part).

-next, open the other lines on the same pipe run to make sure they don't freeze as well, keep them open a bit to allow the water to keep moving.

-increase the heat by turning the thermostat up, I raised it to 73 from the usual 70.

-then identify the frozen pipe. If it's exposed, as in a basement, not a problem just place a heater nearby and allow it to defrost slowly.

-if it's behind a wall, this is a problem, a big problem because you need access somehow to get the heat to the pipe. You can wait till the house heats up more but you take the chance that the pipes don't heat up enough and continue to freeze and eventually burst. Big problem.
Usually, heating the house is enough to slowly thaw the pipes.
This pipe in my upstairs bathroom was behind the tile wall so I removed the medicine cabined to open the space behind the wall.
I placed a small ceramic heater in the bathroom and aimed it at the opening.

-next, I looked under the sink since the pipe run was connected to the sink as well. The sink had running water so I knew the freeze was located just after the copper connection to the sink.
Problem was that this area of pipe was located behind ceramic tile.
Out came the ball peen hammer.
I made a hole in the wall under the sink, inside the cabinet. Not a problem really since nobody sees that area and it will allow warm air to circulate through better in the future.

After two hours of heating the pipe through the medicine cabinet opening and the opening under the sink, the pipe was unfrozen.

To prevent a recurrence, I'll open the area under the sink more and insulate the area behind the wall better using some sort of spray foam.
The house was built in 1935, so once in a while I expect a plumbing issue.
Edited at January 7, 2014 9:23 PM
January 7, 2014 9:32 PM - More4Less
chickened out today and worked from home so what cold weather.
January 7, 2014 9:35 PM - More4Less
watching House of Cards. can understand why DH likes that girl reporter character.
Edited at January 7, 2014 9:35 PM
January 7, 2014 9:38 PM - Partridge
Yay, Legion. Cool!
January 7, 2014 9:38 PM - Deleted
Awww yiiiiis
January 7, 2014 9:40 PM - More4Less
DH, I can see the "type" of gal you like.
January 7, 2014 9:52 PM - ilovestoops
legion - tl:dr but I'll save it for future reference and hope I never need it! glad you got it unfrozen

lp: my place will never look that good but I can't bear the idea of buying something because it looks right, if I don't love it!
Edited at January 7, 2014 9:52 PM
January 7, 2014 9:58 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Interesting facts about cats:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/07/cats-facts-jerks_n_4520552.html
January 7, 2014 10:14 PM - petebklyn
was it the hot water or cold water supply line that froze (or both) ? Mpemba effect.
I thought of asking top floor resident to run her bathroom faucet or let it drip. That side of building not attached (on that level anyway). Last thing need is burst pipe. I forget name of that new pipe material that expands and is relatively easy to install and can connect/join to copper pipes if need to.
Edited at January 7, 2014 10:14 PM
January 7, 2014 10:14 PM - petebklyn
there is nothing interesting about cats
January 7, 2014 10:15 PM - petebklyn
A house built during depression. Not too many of those probably.
Edited at January 7, 2014 10:15 PM
January 7, 2014 10:37 PM - Legion
sheesh, that article makes cats seem downright creepy!

That stuff is called Pex pete.

It was the cold water line.
Keeping the water trickling a bit overnight helps to prevent freezing pipes too.


January 7, 2014 10:44 PM - petebklyn
Pex. That's it. Now you've got me worried about tenants bathrooms. Inside brick wall of course but behind the tile/sheetrock.
Once there was a leak in middle of winter which I presumed was because of frozen pipe up there. Turned out it was a screw that had been pressing against the copper pipe for years and finally punctured.
Of course I have forgotten once or twice to shut off/drain garden pipe and had that burst over the years.
Edited at January 7, 2014 10:44 PM
January 7, 2014 10:56 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
GE

I've been lurking for an hour. Just thought I would fess up and say hello. Hello.

I'm too tired to talk though.
January 7, 2014 10:56 PM - Partridge
Sent you some options via email, Snappy but now it dawns on me if you want to do it cheaply, a couple of yards of cord like this silver one...
January 7, 2014 10:57 PM - Partridge
could be used like this...
January 7, 2014 10:57 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Happy SS/origination day, stoops! Hope it was a good one!
January 7, 2014 10:58 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I bet Snaps has a drill, but she may need help with knots or somesuch to end the cord. Staples? Nails? Staple gun?
January 7, 2014 10:59 PM - Partridge
Hi, Cobbs. That's OK, really.
January 7, 2014 11:00 PM - Partridge
Yes, drill holes large enough to accommodate cord diameter and knot it on the inside.
Edited at January 7, 2014 11:00 PM
January 7, 2014 11:02 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Hi LP. Glad you were able to thaw your locks.

I was so bundled up today one of my bestest friends didn't recognize me on the street. Though it was dark out, too.
January 7, 2014 11:06 PM - Partridge
for the knobs...
January 7, 2014 11:07 PM - Partridge
I walked to the car and back.
January 7, 2014 11:07 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Neat idea! Cool knots!
January 7, 2014 11:08 PM - Partridge
this one looks cool.
Edited at January 7, 2014 11:08 PM
January 7, 2014 11:10 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I walked to/from subway, with stops along the way. This cold is 'b*tchy' cold. Not refreshing. Not bracing. Not invigorating. B*tchy. And mean.
Edited at January 7, 2014 11:10 PM
January 7, 2014 11:10 PM - Partridge
Have you heard that I am swelling-free for 2 days!
January 7, 2014 11:11 PM - pepper
Ummm, sorry, but I don't really like the rope/knots; a bit too shabby chic, for me, anyway...
January 7, 2014 11:11 PM - Partridge
Bitchy. Deserves the full spelling it is so BITCHY out there.
January 7, 2014 11:12 PM - pepper
And "Hi", Cobble!
January 7, 2014 11:13 PM - Partridge
Who asked ya? It only matters is her DIYhighness does.
Edited at January 7, 2014 11:13 PM
January 7, 2014 11:13 PM - pepper
Yeah, it was cold today, for sure. But not really all that unbearable. And tomorrow is supposed to be a balmy 25 or so...
January 7, 2014 11:15 PM - Partridge
Ooow, look. They make glitter rope! What's not to love here?
January 7, 2014 11:16 PM - pepper
:o( I was just contributing to the convo... but to your point, I bet your knots are NOT the DIYhighness' vision for her new dresser...
January 7, 2014 11:17 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Lol, glitter rope. Dassit! ; )

Hey, pep. : )
January 7, 2014 11:17 PM - Partridge
I think knot, as well.
January 7, 2014 11:20 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
One of my favorite jokes...not quite the version I tell, but close enough...

http://www.jokesplace.com/joke/string.html
January 7, 2014 11:23 PM - ilovestoops
hey, cobble - too cold to celebrate today - will go out with friends later in the month.

I like those knot knobs ok, and it's a clever idea.
January 7, 2014 11:27 PM - Partridge
Hope we too can celebrate with you, Stoops. We should all get mean together soon with you.
January 7, 2014 11:51 PM - Partridge
DH, you awake? Any word from Dubai?