Scary Friday OT
December 13, 2013 6:08 AM - Partridge
Be afraid, very afraid...

Bwahahaaaaaa!

325 comments
December 13, 2013 7:03 AM - Deleted
No hot water! Goin to work duuuurty
#1
December 13, 2013 7:04 AM - BirdnestHead
Ruh-roh!
#2
December 13, 2013 7:18 AM - BirdnestHead
Important news for coffee (or herbal tea) lovers:

http://m.slashdot.org/story/195527
#3
December 13, 2013 7:21 AM - Partridge
coldest day ever! instant frostbite.
#4
December 13, 2013 7:25 AM - rf
Slopey's email to me, when I sent him an email asking if he was ok:

Hope everything is well with you and that you and rf, jr are handling the college process in good humor.
Yes, I'm ok, though a bit swamped at work. I've been thinking of dropping out for a while. I burn far too much energy arguing politics or getting caught up in some of the squabbling, with too little payoff these days. Posting on and reading the OT has become too much addiction, too much same old same old every day, too little real sense of community and connection or even fun, for me, so I am taking a break and may be done.
I am not blogiciding out of "respect for rob." But in my read of what happened, it is a mistake to think that that is what CGar and arkady did. From what I read, it seemed that rob posted a request to delete his account. Rob is a serial short-term blogicider and the originator of the OT idea and around whom the OT community has become polarized, but a major -- if maddening -- part of this community, to the extent we are one. CGar -- who I consider a good offline friend -- responded first, suggesting we wait and see or perhaps check in with rob and confirm that this is what he really wanted, given the history. Then snappy -- and I say this without animus because I've shared many good times and conversations with her -- went ahead and closed the account without discussion. Both CGar and snappy have been key caretakers of this community for a long time. That there was not at least a little discussion first confirms to me the drift we've had for a long time -- that we are not really functioning as a community anymore but as a few somewhat antagonistic and increasingly smaller and more insular subgroups who share a space. I have nothing against the people in those groups but I've come not to like the environment as much any more, particularly with too many people I generally like not getting along with each other. I'll add that some of my best OT conversations are generally with CGar and arkady, and if they are not there I have less reason to be as well.
It's been a good long run, from late 2006, when I first started posting in brownstoner threads, bantering with the likes of smokeychimp and I_haz_two_toilets about the latest Scarano debacle, to the start of the OT and the first few parties, hijacking threads with dave, cgar, noki, biff and others, being quoted in the Times with MM, all the crazy what business, and all the fun in between, and I've met a lot of good people online and in person (including you, of course), but I don't really get the same benefit of participating as I used to. So I am taking a break and seeing how I feel about it. You and others should feel free to stay in touch with me if you want. This is not a fit of pique, just deciding what's best for me right now.
-- Best,

[PS Feel free to post my email to you if you want, but don't post my real name.]

Edited at December 13, 2013 8:04 AM
#5
December 13, 2013 7:35 AM - Deleted
Might wamt to edit the real name in there
Edited at December 13, 2013 7:35 AM
#6
December 13, 2013 7:36 AM - dibs
Which real name? R-------? GOD FORBID, YES, RIGHT AWAY
Edited at December 13, 2013 8:16 AM
#7
December 13, 2013 7:36 AM - dibs
GM
Edited at December 13, 2013 7:36 AM
#8
December 13, 2013 7:51 AM - Deleted
GM. Not even gonna comment on slopey email, its all really too silly.
#9
December 13, 2013 7:53 AM - dibs
I keep the house at 64 at night and day when no one is home and 68 when someone is. Highrise here usually always too warm.
#10
December 13, 2013 7:54 AM - dibs
And nothing you post is silly?????? Or worse???
#11
December 13, 2013 7:56 AM - Deleted
Ok, how about the sanctimony in that email is unbearable.
#12
December 13, 2013 7:58 AM - dibs
Well, for one thing, you are relatively new here so you wouldn't really understand a lot of it.
#13
December 13, 2013 7:58 AM - dibs
House passed one month extension of farm bill. Sounds efficient.
#14
December 13, 2013 7:59 AM - dibs
Stock mutual fund outflows were the largest of the year last week
Edited at December 13, 2013 7:59 AM
#15
December 13, 2013 8:01 AM - Deleted
Thank god I'm new enough to not be wrapped up in a bunch on nonsense revolving around a blog.
Edited at December 13, 2013 8:01 AM
#16
December 13, 2013 8:01 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
I tried to edit the name but it didn't work. DIBS, you're an editor, can you try, please.
Edited at December 13, 2013 8:01 AM
#17
December 13, 2013 8:02 AM - Deleted
What name, dick?
#18
December 13, 2013 8:03 AM - BoerumHillScott
Damn, it’s cold out there.

My only comments regarding people posting or not posting here is a repeat of my earlier statements that I 100% support what snappy did, and would have done the same if I were at my computer when rob made the post, and that anyone who asked for their account to be blocked can e-mail me and I will restore it with no questions or judgments.
I am not in the business of second-guessing where people choose to spend their online time.

#19
December 13, 2013 8:06 AM - Partridge
Oh, Slopey, I think you got the lyrics wrong.

It's not, "Blinded by the light...wrapped up like a douche when you're rollin’ in the night"

Its, "Blinded by the light, revved up like a deuce, another runner in the night"

Clearly, you jest!
#20
December 13, 2013 8:08 AM - Deleted
I support scott and snappy. The desire around here to parent some users who others feel can't act or speak for themselves as grown ass adults is strange and not indicative of any healthy functioning community.
Edited at December 13, 2013 8:08 AM
#21
December 13, 2013 8:11 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
It's completely unhealthy. But none of this is about rob. It's all about power and egos.
Edited at December 13, 2013 8:11 AM
#22
December 13, 2013 8:12 AM - Deleted
Huh?
#23
December 13, 2013 8:13 AM - dibs
Yes, a "deuce" is a 1932 Ford roadster hot rod.
Edited at December 13, 2013 8:13 AM
#24
December 13, 2013 8:16 AM - dibs
Cobble's obsession with names is unhealthy

-Dave Linehan
Edited at December 13, 2013 8:17 AM
#25
December 13, 2013 8:21 AM - dibs
Ok…off to Manhattan. Shopping to do
Edited at December 13, 2013 8:21 AM
#26
December 13, 2013 8:21 AM - BoerumHillScott
I don’t get paranoid about names, but understand and support those who do.
-Boerum Hill Scott

#27
December 13, 2013 8:26 AM - BirdnestHead
There used to be a site of most oftenly mis-quoted song lyrics. As a Hendrix fan, I always liked "'Scuse me, while I kiss this guy".

Of course, that one's pretty straightforward, but there were some real head-scratchers...
#28
December 13, 2013 8:27 AM - BirdnestHead
Well, it's one thing to reveal your own name, a different thing to reveal someone else's.
Edited at December 13, 2013 8:27 AM
#29
December 13, 2013 8:28 AM - Partridge
"Hold me closer, Tony Danza"
Edited at December 13, 2013 8:28 AM
#30
December 13, 2013 8:34 AM - BirdnestHead
"Like a virgin, touched for the 41st time..."
#31
December 13, 2013 8:40 AM - Partridge
"Last night I dreamed of salt bagels"
#32
December 13, 2013 9:07 AM - BoerumHillScott

Regarding Atlantic Yards subsidies, the hard numbers I can find indicate that total government funding for the entire project (Arena and Housing) will be $205 million in city funds and $100 million in state funds out of an approximate total project budget of $4 billion.
This includes land costs and the cost of upgrading infrastructure, although I am not sure if how/if includes the value of public streets de-mapped or utility upgrades.


The IBO did a more in-depth costs and benefits analysis, and for the arena they calculated a 30 year cost (in 2010 dollars) of $39 million for the city and gains of $25 million for the state and $5.9 million for the MTA. Opportunity costs totaled $218 for the city, state, and MTA.

The report indicated that the residential towers will receive no more or less support than other residential developments in the city, and will provide no more or less benefits.

http://www.ibo.nyc.ny.us/iboreports/AtlanticYards091009.pdf


BTW, the affordable housing part is still very much part of the project. The first building will be around 50% affordable.

#33
December 13, 2013 9:14 AM - dibs
"And little Early-Pearly gave my anus curly-wurly and asked me if I needed a ride"
#34
December 13, 2013 9:21 AM - dibs
First names really do no harm.
#35
December 13, 2013 9:22 AM - dibs
Imputed income cost of providing my health insurance is $7,500.
#36
December 13, 2013 9:23 AM - Deleted
I am completely baffled by what is going on with the OT. I found Slopey's e-mail to be a head-scratcher.
#37
December 13, 2013 9:33 AM - dibs
15% off all foie gras at D'Artagnan today
#38
December 13, 2013 9:36 AM - Deleted
By the way, speaking of Scarano: I'm sure the folks at Brownstoner think he has vanished from the scene. Not at all. He has refocused his practice to designing single-family homes for the uber-wealthy Syrian community in Gravesend (which is where Scarano grew up).
#39
December 13, 2013 9:52 AM - RowerChick
"Take your pants off, and make it happen"
More appropriate for a movie about a striper in my opinion.
#40
December 13, 2013 9:55 AM - dibs
benson, check your email
#41
December 13, 2013 10:00 AM - Deleted
dibs, check your email
#42
December 13, 2013 10:01 AM - dibs
dh, check this
Edited at December 13, 2013 10:01 AM
#43
December 13, 2013 10:02 AM - Partridge
Benson, let me try to help you out.

Seems that some among us have been battling an addiction. Some secretly, some publicly. PLUSAholics. What used to be fun and made them feel good, has become a dirty place full of insults, fights and negativity. They have wanted to quit on their own, but haven't been able to. Their work, health and personal lives have suffered because of their addiction. They are not to be judged harshly for their weakness. It is a disease, of course. They have departed to form the first chapter of PLUSAnonymous. They need our support.
#44
December 13, 2013 10:03 AM - Deleted
should i check my email?

dave, you should share with us what you emailed benson. secrets are bad for the community and shit.
#45
December 13, 2013 10:05 AM - dibs
Part, although I will take that as a joke, it's that sort of presumptuousness that turns people off!!!
#46
December 13, 2013 10:05 AM - Deleted
i didn't really email dibs.
#47
December 13, 2013 10:11 AM - Deleted
sure dave, it has NOTHING to do with you being a grumpy jerk most of the time, calling everyone a moron for the smallest typo or whatever. look in the mirror dude.
#48
December 13, 2013 10:12 AM - Deleted
oh, and you are an obnoxious know-it-all.
Edited at December 13, 2013 10:12 AM
#49
December 13, 2013 10:13 AM - dibs
Now I'm butthurt. Things randi says about me I take very seriously and are cause for inward reflection.
#50
December 13, 2013 10:13 AM - Partridge
Guess it is just my inner Mean Girl coming out. The gravity of this situation could use some levity, no?
#51
December 13, 2013 10:14 AM - Deleted
"better than a moron! derp derp derp"
#52
December 13, 2013 10:14 AM - Deleted
haha dibs, you know i lurve you.
#53
December 13, 2013 10:16 AM - dibs
I'm outta here for a while. Not because of the hurtful, spiteful things randi says but because it's 10:00 and there's shopping to do.


randi will have to spread (nh) his holiday venom on whomever few are left here.
Edited at December 13, 2013 10:16 AM
#54
December 13, 2013 10:16 AM - BoerumHillScott
So, anyone seen any good cat pictures recently?
#55
December 13, 2013 10:17 AM - Deleted
DIBS;

I'll fill in as the Moron taking bullets from Randi.
#56
December 13, 2013 10:17 AM - Deleted
lol - dibs trying to take the high road

he'll be back in a few hours bitching about how someone he encountered was incompetent!!
#57
December 13, 2013 10:18 AM - Deleted
i am perhaps the most harmless person here.
#58
December 13, 2013 10:19 AM - rf
Sorry I posted with first names. I left the house as soon as I posted it.

I did some shopping for the Brooklyn Hospital gift drive. By 9 a.m., Target was already getting crazy.

More from Slopey this morning:
For me it isn't about wanting rob back, it is about not enjoying the OT much anymore.
#59
December 13, 2013 10:43 AM - Partridge
Sorry, but lol @ rf 'channeling' Slopey from the beyond. hahaha
#60
December 13, 2013 10:45 AM - pepper
I find the whole situation incredibly sad...
#61
December 13, 2013 11:12 AM - petebklyn
45 degrees here in house upstate. Several times when we are away for few days, heat goes off (oil heat). I know how to 'reset' but last time guy from oil company says have them come over before so they can trace problem. But they are busy and can't come until after 3pm. shortly after or way after I don't know. brrrrrrrr...it is cold in here.
#62
December 13, 2013 11:40 AM - MontroseMorris
I am so glad I don't have oil heat anymore. In the dead of winter, I'd always run out on the coldest day, which was on the weekend, and my oil people wouldn't come until Monday. If the boiler went out, it needed to be primed before it could be turned on, which meant a visit from the oil company, which cost money. I was too poor to get a service contract, they said my credit wasn't good enough, so I had to pay for the oil in advance, and pay for the technician in cash when he came. I used to run out at least once a month. Filling the tank would cost me about $700, so I could only afford to get 100 gallons at a time, and when it was cold, I always ran out. It was a soul sucking, extremely depressing situation that I thank God I don't have anymore. We have gas heat here. Bgrl and I have separate furnaces which we control, and gas is much cheaper than oil. The gas and electricity are all on one bill from National Grid.
#63
December 13, 2013 11:43 AM - petebklyn
gas is so cheap. for brooklyn I pay less now per year than I did 25 years ago.
#64
December 13, 2013 11:48 AM - dibs
Pete, usually there's a reset button somewhere onj the front. or, just turn it OFF and then back ON
#65
December 13, 2013 11:53 AM - petebklyn
I know how to reset. But since it has happened several time, they need to come over and find out why happening.
#66
December 13, 2013 11:54 AM - dibs
Yes, they should. Oftentimes it just has to do with the filter being clogged.
#67
December 13, 2013 11:58 AM - dibs
As far as running out of oil, every tank has a floating gauge of some sort on the top that you can check every day
Edited at December 13, 2013 11:58 AM
#68
December 13, 2013 12:19 PM - rf
I guess everyone gets a chance to be a Thread Killer in the current version of the OT.
Edited at December 13, 2013 12:19 PM
#69
December 13, 2013 12:21 PM - DeLepp
A box of chocolates just got delivered from an old employee. Strangely enough it was someone I "managed out". Lucky one he was.
Edited at December 13, 2013 12:21 PM
#70
December 13, 2013 12:22 PM - Deleted
Sad but true. I forsee the slow death of the OT between now and new years. Sad it had to come to rob blogiciding for the umpteenth time and everyone crumbling around him in their own strangely motivated ways. Oh well, it's been fun. Hope I wasn't too much of a drain on the fun that used to exist here and no longer does.

Peace out.
Edited at December 13, 2013 12:22 PM
#71
December 13, 2013 12:24 PM - dibs
randi's gone!!!!! IT WORKED. Everyone come back now!!!!!!
#72
December 13, 2013 12:25 PM - Deleted
"I guess everyone gets a chance to be a Thread Killer in the current version of the OT."

Well, now that Slopey is not here, we're all going to have to share this responsibility.
#73
December 13, 2013 12:25 PM - Deleted
DIBS - Rob says "check your email"
#74
December 13, 2013 12:27 PM - Deleted
DIBS;

Now that you and I are the last men standing here, can we talk about how Obamacare is collapsing? In case anyone didn't notice, they extended the sign-up deadlines yet again. So far, the number of people who have signed up is far less than the number who had their policy cancelled.
#75
December 13, 2013 12:28 PM - dibs
From rob, in response to whether he will come back cuz some of us actually miss him:

No, I can't!! not now anyway. Many times in the last few days I've had this compulsion to just say whatever is on my mind and then having no where to act on that compulsion has honestly been really difficult. I am talking about actually feeling squirmy and squirrely if I do not have the option to type out in stream of consciousness fashion exactly the shit that is running through my head with no filter what so ever, barely even a tinge of anonymity to boot.

Feel free to share this with the OT,however I am sure most of it will go over their head.

Over the last few years, perhaps longer, WAY longer. I've been on the internet every single day (it was local BBS chat boards and prodigy and AOL back in the day of course) since I've been 14 years old. So.. 22 years now.

So for 22 years now I have been abusing the internet which has caused me extreme ego fatigue. I just finished reading a great book on the neuroscience of addiction, which is also a memoir. If you are not familiar with the concept, I just googled it and the first article that pops up was written by the author of the book I just read.

Ego Fatigue and the Pull of the Present | Psychology Today

www.psychologytoday.com/blog/.../ego-fatigue-and-the-pull-the-present
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In decision making and psychology, decision fatigue refers to the deteriorating .... decision fatigue and ego depletion, whereby a person's ability for self-control ...

I am not ashamed to say that every other time I have tried to control my internet behavior has been a total fail and I am always back to where I left. and it get worse every single time, just like what happens with drug and alcohol use, gambling and sex addiction, and every other activity in which multiple kinds of neurotransmitters are altered causing the ventral striatum stress (stress my my word here and not particularly what is actually going on) but the loss of self control has always been the trademark of addiction with the breakdown of human functioning as the consequence.

ALL addictions affect this, everything that affects the neurotransmitters. 22 years of what I have been doing on the internet has caused vulnerability in my nervous system. FYI this is NO excuse for the shit that I say, I am just talking about WHY I do and say what I do. My dACC has become exhausted over the years through repeated behavior every single day for the last 22 years. My dACC is tired and is having trouble restoring it's neurotransmitters. That is ego depletion. "Controlling emotions, like controlling impulses, tired out the dACC, used up its chemical reserves. And those who lost the capacity were less able to continue to control themselves, to think, to judge, to supervise their own behavior.... They lose the mental muscle tone for self-direction, for resolve, for strength of character, and for decency itself."

It has taken multiple attempts to identify an unhealthy behavior, but you keep attempting to identify it, I truly believe that one's will can overcome the brain damage (and that is exactly as I view it, brain damage). My alcohol use was causing massive brain damage, and internet abuse has and is causing the EXACT same kind of brain damage (brain alteration I guess) that alcohol did except it doesn't give you hangovers nor affect your liver.

Essentially what I am doing with posting, is what I did with alcohol abuse. My brain doesn't give a shit how it gets it's fix. It's a constant feedback loop of amplifying value affecting/caused by/because of glutamate and dopamine. Posting and getting responses is the other feedback loop of the amygdala of amplifying thrust and motivated action.

While I can't for certain say Wellbutrin for the last 2 1/2 months has had any effect on a lot of this, I truly feel it does. With the dopamine in my brain being regulated (moreso flooding) I have been able to identify a lot of shit in my life that while ALL MY FAULT AND I CONTROL IT IF I WANT TO, is still being dominated by and affecting many parts of my brain, and considering this has been a constant in my life for the last 22 years... well.. like the fresh prince of bel air says, ouch that hurts!

So yes, while part of me would LIKE to come back posting, I know it's not not the right thing for me and I don't know if all the damage I have done over the years (to my brain) can be reversed... mostly likely not. Even crack addicts who have been clean for 20 years still come across as total crack addicts. And God aint gonna kiss that shit and make it better, which is why I hit an impasse in AA.

soo....

Instead of posting at work, I try to engage with people face to face and get stuff done (I never had a problem with getting stuff done, but whatever, there's always something productive that could be done even if it's just doodling in my journal when I have down time).

The neural pathways of addicts are extremely narrow. Even subconsciously everything they do revolves around in some way their preferred drug of choice (or action like sex, gambling, etc). Being in a meeting with strangers in a new place allows the brain to have 2 or more senses working at once. Addiction and narrow neural pathways cause the brain to focus on one thing at a time. Listening, Hearing, in some cases for people just kinetic movement itself acts as a defense against how the addicted brain works.

Sorry way too much blah blah blah science talk and I'm probably getting all kinds of factual information wrong,but that's irrelevant anyway as I can see the bigger picture, or at least have a fuzzy image of it to work with.

Proud of myself that I've also used the information I have been learning to help with my frozen yogurt (and I am ashamed to say this but sometimes ice cream) cross-addiction. I plan to do this with cigarettes by January 1st though to be honest this is seemingly the hardest thing I have ever had to GET to the point to even want to do it.. I am completely baffled as to how I can purchase cigarettes at 12 bux a day. I would NEVER do that for anything else!!!!

For the time being, I have chosen to spend my free time doing things I really enjoy as corny as they are. Curating (lol) my extensive class video game collections, playing more modern games (and my attention span has vastly improved whereas I used to not be able to play for more than 5 minutes at a time because of the brain damage) I am actually able to sit and relax for more than 5 minutes at a time now, sometimes up to 20 minutes to half an hour. Multiple senses working at once. And I do this sometimes with a dog at my side giving me love. Of course the kicker is that this aint my dog, but I'll cross that bridge when I have to.

And allllllllll of this crazy bullshit with my brain, alllllll the bad behaviors that have been repeated for the last 22 years (internet 22 years, drinking 14/15), etc was building up inside of me making me think I was crazy. Yes, actually crazy! This has done a number of damaging things to me.. MAJOR DAMAGE to the ways in which I am able to properly communicate with people, revisionist history of past events, a coloring of the present that does not jive with reality, and a dark cloud that looms over EVERYTHING. Show a person a picture of a baby or a kitten and it normally has a calming happy effect. I'm sorry, but I see a picture of a baby or a kitten and I think my blood pressure goes up, half my brain turns chary, and I start saying really stupid things. And it has nothing to do with babies or kittens, that's the point. So randi if you are reading this, it has nothing to do with your cute baby lol. I have just been so conditioned so hard for so long that I have an ill way of reacting to all kinds of stimuli-- sight, sound, etc.

Long story short, I am not shirking responsibility for the shitty things I have said in the past, but I am acknowledging these days how all this has come to pass. And truthfully I am sure it started way before the internet, but whatever, the internet and alcohol was what I got addicted to. And cigarettes, but those are more of a do no harm (except to yourself) kind of vice.

And speaking of vices... Yep. I smoke weed now. And I have traded in my fro yo and ice cream for apples and oranges (seriously I can eat as many apples and oranges as I want and you can get like 20 apples for the cost of a pint of ice cream and there is something just intrinsically right about chomping down real fruit while playing a round of Ms. Pacman) It has not made me go back to drinking and has helped me tap into my creative side and enjoy a lot of shit I used to enjoy immensely. I am 100% pro legalization, although I do not want the government to get its grubby paws into the industry like it does with alcohol and cigarettes. Once I am done smoking cigs I can finally say, screw you NYC you lost more tax revenue.

Anyway, I speak highly of wellbutrin, and I like to consider it the "push" drug. It has pushed me into doing a lot of things I couldn't be asked to attempt to do before. The honeymoon phase of that medication has worn off though and it causes aggressive behavior on my part I have noticed, which apparently is common for a lot of people. I plan to discontinue use sometime in January after I am successfully able to quit smoking newports.

Here's the takeaway: Alcohol was killing me physically and the internet has been killing me psychosocially and for the last 6 months I have had to play role of psychiatrist and guidance counselor to myself because, like most things in life, relying on other people to get shit done for you and to fix you costs a lot of money and a lot of trial and error and you run the risk of someone ELSE screwing it up and adding unnecessary variables into an already complex equation. I can try now to love the life that I have and enjoy the things that I enjoy, or I can a miserable bitter fuck and continue on living life like a lab rat in a cage constantly hitting the damn lever to enjoy ever increasingly diminished returns and missing out on tons of shit in the process. Or missing out on nothing and being totally fine with that.

I have my fish, I have my video games, I have direct access to all the good things a dog companion provides, I can relax and smoke a joint if I so choose, and I can just turn everything off at 11 pm now and read before going to sleep. Alone. Which I like cuz I don't want anyone else on my couch except the dog and not for long periods of time lol. A lot of people do not like that last part, but that aint my problem.

Some of you have my current active email address so you can always email me if you want or whatever. Those of you who don't, well that's not my problem either as we were never really meant to be friends. I just can't sit around on the internet and chit chat like it's not problematic for me. It is! Where did this year go!?!? It's almost tax time already!!!

<3's and doggie farts,
Rob

Edited at December 13, 2013 12:28 PM
#76
December 13, 2013 12:31 PM - dibs
"So far, the number of people who have signed up is far less than the number who had their policy cancelled."

Yes, I heard that yesterday.

I'm waiting to hear that they declare a moratorium on the tax penalty for not signing up
#77
December 13, 2013 12:31 PM - dibs
Shopping done. Even went to HD to get a router bit. Alas, no museum putty yet.
#78
December 13, 2013 12:37 PM - RowerChick
As one of the "newbies" on the block. I will miss the witty repartee & punfests that Arkady & Slopey would often start, or keep going. But I won't miss *rob* or the way he was coddled. And I will be happy to have glitter in my hair on the 17th.
#79
December 13, 2013 12:39 PM - dibs
rv…those of us who enjoyed rob never "coddled" him and those who did not enjoy him outright despised him.
Edited at December 13, 2013 12:40 PM
#80
December 13, 2013 12:39 PM - Deleted
Nice try dave, I meant peace out to those who left. I'm still here, bitch. I wanna see this ship sink.

Sounds like Rob knows why and what he's doing, and everyone else should let him be an adult and live his life.
#81
December 13, 2013 12:39 PM - DeLepp
If I recall it was BHS who thought this social experiment would be over in 18 months based on his prior experiences. At least we surpassed that timeline.
#82
December 13, 2013 12:43 PM - Deleted
Bullshit Dave. A he was basically breast fed on a daily by arkady and B no one ever expressed more outright hatred towards people here or people/things in general than Rob.
#83
December 13, 2013 12:49 PM - dibs
A. She was largely deflecting the hatred of others
and

B Maybe so but not generic to my point.
#84
December 13, 2013 12:52 PM - Deleted
zzzzz who cares
Edited at December 13, 2013 12:52 PM
#85
December 13, 2013 12:53 PM - MontroseMorris
"As far as running out of oil, every tank has a floating gauge of some sort on the top that you can check every day"

Mine did not. It was broken, and I couldn't afford to get it fixed.
Edited at December 13, 2013 12:53 PM
#86
December 13, 2013 12:53 PM - MontroseMorris
"those of us who enjoyed rob never "coddled" him and those who did not enjoy him outright despised him."

Neither one of those is true.
#87
December 13, 2013 12:56 PM - rf
Many of those who enjoyed rob liked to have him around, like a pet they didn't have to walk or feed.
#88
December 13, 2013 12:57 PM - Deleted
rob has just been a pawn in an ongoing feud between certain peeps on here starting with the unbanning feud last year.
#89
December 13, 2013 12:57 PM - MontroseMorris
"Sounds like Rob knows why and what he's doing, and everyone else should let him be an adult and live his life."

Best thing you've ever said.
Edited at December 13, 2013 12:57 PM
#90
December 13, 2013 12:59 PM - Deleted
the OT has been in a steady decline for a while now (way before brownstoner exodus) - it's like when jordan came back to play on the washington wizards.

we all have each others contact info and communicate with those who are our friends. lets just pull the plug
#91
December 13, 2013 1:00 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Dibs' copy and paste from Rob is probably the longest post in OT history.

I foresee a cooling-off period and then many people will be back (and maybe those Gothamist lurkers will actually sign up).

The party's still happening on Tuesday, right?
Edited at December 13, 2013 1:00 PM
#92
December 13, 2013 1:06 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Shame on you, DIBS. Such exaggerated untruths help nothing and just fan the flames. MM called it.

Rob's email should tell everyone what they need to know about his situation.
#93
December 13, 2013 1:07 PM - rf
dh, we could collectively pull the plug by not posting.

Hmm, that didn't work for Rob and it doesn't work for many of us. Losers!
#94
December 13, 2013 1:09 PM - Deleted
"lets just pull the plug"

HAHA this will never happen because someone is always going to want to get the last word!
#95
December 13, 2013 1:10 PM - Deleted
no doubt rf!
#96
December 13, 2013 1:12 PM - Deleted
it's like when jordan came back to play on the washington wizards.


#97
December 13, 2013 1:14 PM - Deleted
As you may remember, I was dead set against the ban against Rob. I also believe that there are folks who have a vendetta out for him. Having said that, I don't have any sympathy for Rob in this situation. Anyone who starts out a letter in which he tries to convince us that he's turning over a new leaf with this pre-amble - "Feel free to share this with the OT,however I am sure most of it will go over their head." is ether a) a BS artist, b) an attention-seeker or c) both.
#98
December 13, 2013 1:15 PM - Legion
I applaud rob on his decision to make a break from the OT for his own mental well being.
It's true that there is an ever increasing body of scientific evidence with regard to the effects of internet addiction and negative feedback loops within the brain's neurotransmitter mechanisms.

For those of you that noticed (and I know some of you would like to think you didn't notice) I left for exactly one month (last posting on 11/13/13) because I began to recognize that an increasing number of my postings were part of a reflexive routine. A routine which I realized was beginning to take a toll on other segments of my everyday life.
I decided to perform an experiment on myself and stop, first as a test of willpower, then as a break from the routine.

There is no doubt that the OT has been a great part of my daily routine for years, but when one begins to see an activity taking time away from other endeavours which have a more lasting impact on the future, it's time to take a step back and make an accounting.

It is curious that others here, like rob, have had a sort of confluence of recognition with regard to the OT in their lives. Each of us has to make choices daily about what our time is worth.
I can say with certainty that my time spent here has been worth a great deal to me but at this time, perhaps as a result of so many other issues outside, my time is better spent on things closer to the heart.

In slopefarm's letter I read how he has noticed an increasing tone of division within this group of posters. I have seen that as well. Without naming names, there are several here who are mentally closed in terms of dealing with new ideas or even opposing ideas. This has led to a sort of vicious circle of ever decreasing alliances both within the OT community and without the community with invisible threads of subterfuge and discord crystallizing on e-mails, personal gatherings and facebook. This may sound like conjecture on my part but you all know that this has always been the case.

Regardless, for my own purposes, it was never much of an issue. As long as the OT remained a forum for open expression and discussion.
I do not find that to be the case any longer as each posting has become more of a referendum on allegiance than an expression of considered thought. To the point where even the lack of response becomes a counterpoint.

One of my favorite short stories is by the Nobel prize winning author Heinrich Boll.
It's called Murke's Collected Silences.
In it, the protoganist spends his time recording the space between conversations. Within those spaces, he understands that there lies a great truth that is not always evident but nonetheless has a value which often transcends the words themselves.
The spaces between those conversations is where our voices cease and our thoughts and feelings coalesce.
#99
December 13, 2013 1:15 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Just read Rob's post via Dave. I agree with randi's take.

I am neither an alcoholic nor an internet addict but I would have a lot of trouble quitting both, and really admire what Rob's doing to get his life in order. I wish someone else I know would do the same!
December 13, 2013 1:17 PM - sixyearsandcounting
He may be seeking attention, benson, but at least it seems to be through doing something positive.
December 13, 2013 1:18 PM - dibs
"Shame on you, DIBS"

Whatever. Typical of the sort of bullying so prevalent here and I'm not talking about the day to day arguments over this that and the other thing between me and rf or me and MM. It's the holier than thou condescension stuff like that.
December 13, 2013 1:18 PM - Deleted
"there are several here who are mentally closed in terms of dealing with new ideas or even opposing ideas. "

pot=kettle
December 13, 2013 1:21 PM - RowerChick
As far as I'm concerned, there will be festivities on Tuesday evening. My favorite OT interactions have been the ones where we get together, face-to-face. I doubt I would have joined the OT without meeting many of you at Part's party.
December 13, 2013 1:24 PM - dibs
Time for some castelvetrano olives.
Edited at December 13, 2013 1:24 PM
December 13, 2013 1:24 PM - dibs
The highlight of my year was meeting randi at Monteros.
Edited at December 13, 2013 1:24 PM
December 13, 2013 1:28 PM - Deleted
Six, I hope you are right, and wish Rob well. I agree with Randi - he's an adult. All I am saying is that I am not going to participate in any drama concerning a guy who's giving us the back of his hand. He wanted to leave, he left, and I wish him good luck.
December 13, 2013 1:28 PM - dibs
"Vagus" sounds dirty
December 13, 2013 1:28 PM - Deleted
you must be joking legion?
December 13, 2013 1:31 PM - dibs
All this fucking bullshit here today and I've completely forgotten to check Silverdaddies
Edited at December 13, 2013 1:31 PM
December 13, 2013 1:32 PM - Deleted
also if this is true

"I left for exactly one month (last posting on 11/13/13)"

how did you know about my heart???? PWND, you've been lurking- which is almost worse than posting.
December 13, 2013 1:33 PM - Legion
What part am I joking about?
The Vagus nerve is an integral part of our Sympathetic/Parasympathetic response network.
Edited at December 13, 2013 1:33 PM
December 13, 2013 1:35 PM - Legion
Randolph,
you clearly haven't the slightest idea of where I'm coming from intellectually, so please stop trying to simplify it.
I wouldn't have been posting here since 2007 if I was closed off to opposing ideas.
Take your own advice and stop taking the OT so seriously,
your heart will thank you.
You do realize that part of that fibrillation you have been experiencing is due to overexciting your Vagus nerve (and it's thoracic-cardiac branches) here on the OT, don't you?
December 13, 2013 1:36 PM - dibs
My favorite medical illustration is the faux x-ray of the cock down some guys throat. I won't post it now cuz dh is still at work and liable to have a hissy fit
December 13, 2013 1:37 PM - Deleted
that the OT had anything to do with it.
December 13, 2013 1:37 PM - kazootite
Randi, I don't think Legion is joking. I thought the same thing about your heart. But I have mixed mac and cheese with good nutrition, despite knowing better, so who am I to say.
December 13, 2013 1:39 PM - Legion
...that's the glossopharyngeal nerve dibs.
Another chapter.
December 13, 2013 1:40 PM - Deleted
you guys are crazy to think the OT caused my health problems. LOLzzzzzzzzzzz
Edited at December 13, 2013 1:40 PM
December 13, 2013 1:42 PM - dibs
Well, I don't think the OT caused your mental problems. Those are from childhood.
December 13, 2013 1:43 PM - kazootite
Quite a bunch of weeks ago, I suddenly stopped posting on the OT (now turning into months). I couldn't talk (write) about it at the time, but it was because my mother passed away. I only wrote to one person here about it. I didn't have the energy for OT conversations, and lately seem to post just once or twice about something. I read and try to catch up. There has been valuable information here.
December 13, 2013 1:45 PM - dibs
Sorry to hear about your mother, Kazoo.
December 13, 2013 1:45 PM - BoerumHillScott
You dudes are so meta today.

For the record, I am not pulling the plug on the OT.
The cost to keep it around is so minimal, that even if it got one post a day it would be worth keeping for historical reasons.

December 13, 2013 1:46 PM - dibs
Back in about 0:30. headed home.
December 13, 2013 1:46 PM - BoerumHillScott
I just did my good deed of the year and took my managers out to lunch.
I’ll probably follow it up by taking the staff who are around on the 23rd out.

December 13, 2013 1:47 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Condescending bullying is your M.O., DIBS, not mine.
December 13, 2013 1:48 PM - MontroseMorris
"Anyone who starts out a letter in which he tries to convince us that he's turning over a new leaf with this pre-amble - "Feel free to share this with the OT,however I am sure most of it will go over their head." is ether a) a BS artist, b) an attention-seeker or c) both."

In the spirit of across the aisle bi-partisanship, I have to say I totally agree with Benson on this, and thought the same thing when I first read it. I wish rob luck in fixing his life. He's got a journey ahead of him.
December 13, 2013 1:48 PM - RowerChick
Kazoo,

Sorry for your loss. It sounds trite, but it is true.
December 13, 2013 1:48 PM - BoerumHillScott
I do tend to agree with Legion and Benson today.
Now waiting for lightening to strike me.

Edited at December 13, 2013 1:48 PM
December 13, 2013 1:48 PM - More4Less
I need to find a job paying more else wife will think I'm worth more dead then alive - decent size life insurance.
December 13, 2013 1:49 PM - MontroseMorris
Kazoo, I know that pain, and you have my heartfelt condolences.
December 13, 2013 1:54 PM - Slope4Eva
Very sorry for your loss, Kazoo.
December 13, 2013 1:57 PM - Legion
Sorry to hear about your loss Kazoo.
December 13, 2013 1:58 PM - Deleted
Kazoo;

Sorry to hear about your loss.
December 13, 2013 2:26 PM - kazootite
Legion, thank you for posting the heart diagram.

I understand the posts by both Legion and Slopey.
December 13, 2013 2:27 PM - kazootite
Thank you everyone. I know that many of you here have gone through this already.


December 13, 2013 2:28 PM - BoerumHillScott
Losing a parent sucks.

December 13, 2013 2:29 PM - BoerumHillScott

On the important topic of geeky fashion, during the last few weeks, I have noticed several people wearing Google Glasses in public. Can we all agree that they look stupid?

December 13, 2013 2:38 PM - Deleted
yes.
December 13, 2013 2:41 PM - dibs
Chill, Cobble. It's your constant hall monitoring I'm talking about. Always your way (and another's) or the highway.
December 13, 2013 2:42 PM - dibs
Google glasses should be banned in most locations.
December 13, 2013 2:46 PM - dibs
Although I think I'll get a pair for the next time I go to the go-go bars in Bangkok
December 13, 2013 2:56 PM - Deleted
ewwwww
December 13, 2013 2:59 PM - Deleted
derp
December 13, 2013 3:00 PM - dibs
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Edited at December 13, 2013 3:00 PM
December 13, 2013 3:02 PM - Deleted
moron
December 13, 2013 3:02 PM - dibs
Going on a cougar hunt tonight, dh????
December 13, 2013 3:03 PM - dibs
jackass
December 13, 2013 3:04 PM - Deleted
are cougars into DH?
December 13, 2013 3:05 PM - Deleted
nah - seeing a concert
Edited at December 13, 2013 3:05 PM
December 13, 2013 3:06 PM - Deleted
katy perry?
December 13, 2013 3:07 PM - dibs
Mandate with randi?
Edited at December 13, 2013 3:08 PM
December 13, 2013 3:07 PM - dibs
LOL
December 13, 2013 3:07 PM - kazootite
"Losing a parent sucks."

You got that right, Scott. Btw, one thing I read that was interesting about your grandfather (as Six posted) was that your grandfather kept Cajun culture and French speaking going in Louisiana. That is a part of the country and culture I know little about.


December 13, 2013 3:08 PM - Deleted
nah, !!! and Holy F*ck
December 13, 2013 3:10 PM - petebklyn
I would post but my fingers are too cold.
Edited at December 13, 2013 3:10 PM
December 13, 2013 3:14 PM - dibs
I'm hoping the forecast for Saturday turns out like all the recent ones…absolutely wrong. Saying the snow will start in the morning and get 3-6" by 5 PM or so and after that freezing rain
December 13, 2013 3:15 PM - dibs
You have a fireplace, right??

Bake a cake too
December 13, 2013 3:16 PM - petebklyn
and we have to drive back to city tomorrow sometime tomorrow.
December 13, 2013 3:17 PM - petebklyn
I'm sitting by the propane fireplace.
December 13, 2013 3:19 PM - dibs
The best heater to quickly heat up a house is a propane salamander. Contractors use them to warm up an entire house to work in
Edited at December 13, 2013 3:29 PM
December 13, 2013 3:30 PM - petebklyn
as soon as they come, place will heat up quickly. forced air heat. I went to Y for most of afternoon. it had dropped to 46 degrees in the house. bigger worry if we go to florida in january and not up here for couple of wkends could really freeze if they don't fix whatever is causing this. Never goes off while we are here.
Edited at December 13, 2013 3:30 PM
December 13, 2013 3:34 PM - dibs
I assume you turn the water supply off every time you leave. If you leave all the faucets open, pipes are much less likely to freeze since the water can expand within the pipes as it freezes.
December 13, 2013 3:35 PM - dibs
Bloomberg calling the people who are yelling and screaming against mandatory flu shots for kids "crazies."

He's right.
December 13, 2013 3:37 PM - Deleted
my kid is too young for a flu shot.
December 13, 2013 3:39 PM - dibs
According to a Siena/NYT poll, 70% of New Yorkers are optimistic about DeBlahsio.

I think most people have never read "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds" first published in 1841.
Edited at December 13, 2013 3:39 PM
December 13, 2013 3:43 PM - petebklyn
I did talk to a woman in florida who signed up for the obamacare. She is coming to end of her cobra coverage from last job and was worried. She claims the new policy is better and less than 1/2 of what she is currently paying.
Edited at December 13, 2013 3:43 PM
December 13, 2013 3:44 PM - Deleted
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December 13, 2013 3:44 PM - petebklyn
I got the shingles vaccine and 1st time for flu this year.
Edited at December 13, 2013 3:44 PM
December 13, 2013 3:47 PM - dibs
Cobra is very expensive. I think at least $1,200 per month and probably closer to $2,000.
December 13, 2013 3:49 PM - dibs
I always get the flu shot and it typically protects me. Only time I had it bad was before I was given the shot, maybe 2 or 3 years ago.
Edited at December 13, 2013 3:49 PM
December 13, 2013 3:50 PM - BoerumHillScott
The vaccination causes autism people are beyond stupid.
Their entire case is built on a paper that the author later admitted was a fraud, but they refuse to give up.

Edited at December 13, 2013 3:50 PM
December 13, 2013 3:51 PM - BoerumHillScott
The cost of Cobra is the cost of the plan you had, plus a small administrative fee.
Edited at December 13, 2013 3:51 PM
December 13, 2013 3:51 PM - pepper
huh. Snow on the ground in Queens...
December 13, 2013 3:51 PM - petebklyn
I would guess cobra cost is whatever your employer was paying. So depending on the policy of the group.
I think she said was paying $1100 and soon will be $400. I don't think with a subsidy.
December 13, 2013 3:54 PM - Deleted
true scott, but i feel bad for the parents of kids who already have autism. they were just looking for any explanation and the vaccine thing was so convincing for a moment.
December 13, 2013 3:54 PM - BoerumHillScott
COBRA = (what your employer paid + what you paid) * 1.02
December 13, 2013 3:56 PM - RowerChick
Most cobra is expensive. It's basically whatever you plan cost while you were on the job. Some places will add a 1.5% administrative fee. So, if your plan cost the job $2,000, cobra can cost $2,030.
December 13, 2013 3:56 PM - BoerumHillScott
I totally feel bad for the parents who were looking for answers and found one that looked like a possible explanation.
I have zero pity for those who can’t get over the fact they were duped and continue to fight vaccinations.

December 13, 2013 3:57 PM - dibs
Pete, did you see my earlier post that the "imputed income" of my insurance is $7,500 a year? That's a lot for the addition of a "spouse"
December 13, 2013 4:01 PM - dibs
This past week was one of my worst in many years in the market. Yet here I am, still my same old agreeable, congeial self, unphased by short term market ups and downs.
Edited at December 13, 2013 4:05 PM
December 13, 2013 4:04 PM - BoerumHillScott
The past 2 weeks have sucked for me, stock market wise.

December 13, 2013 4:08 PM - rf
Dave, that gives you an idea of how much M's employer is paying, a form of nontaxable income to him until now.
December 13, 2013 4:09 PM - dibs
Next year is going to be very interesting for the markets. Yellen taking office in Jan should be mostly a known known and completely discounted by the market but the direction of interest rates, or more correctly the speed at which they will rise, remains to be seen. I think the 10 Year will move quickly to 3.0% but isn't likely to go higher very soon.

I had been expecting a January selloff after such a strong year but, true to form, the market seems to be doing that now which is atypical of the usual move in December but not incongruous with a Decemeber after a very stron 12 months. In fact it has been a very strong 5 years since Mar 2009.


Edited at December 13, 2013 4:15 PM
December 13, 2013 4:28 PM - petebklyn
he replaced nozzle and cleaned whatever that means. And suggested a draft inducer since draft very low.
Now house is heating up.
December 13, 2013 4:31 PM - petebklyn
why would you think spouse's amount would be any lower than the employee's?
December 13, 2013 4:33 PM - dibs
I assumed as you add additional family members, the rate goes down. It has been that way in the past under a lot of policies.
December 13, 2013 4:38 PM - rf
Charter Prepares Takeover Offer for Time Warner Cable
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/12/13/charter-prepares-takeover-offer-for-time-warner-cable/?hp
December 13, 2013 4:39 PM - rf
It probably does go down a bit (nh). Just shows how much they pay for M.
December 13, 2013 4:41 PM - petebklyn
most places a family plan is more than double covering the individual. Doesn't matter how many people are in the family.
Some places I think if just a spouse can just get 2 individuals instead. So double.
Also - an employer may cover a larger percent of premium for individual than for a family plan.
Such as employer pays 80% of premium for employee and employee 20% but
if family plan they would pay 60% of premium only.
December 13, 2013 4:46 PM - BoerumHillScott
Where I work you can choose:
- Employee
- Employee + spouse/partner
- Employee + spouse/partner + child(ren)
- Employee + child(ren)

With shared deductibles and out of pocket limits, I’m not sure what the impact would be on total cost.

December 13, 2013 4:49 PM - dibs
This plan has no deductible and minimal co-pays, another reason for it to seem rather expensive.
December 13, 2013 4:50 PM - BoerumHillScott
In dibs’s case, imputed income is the amount of dibs’s health coverage paid for by his partner’s employer.
Because they are not legally married, it is counted as taxable income.

December 13, 2013 4:51 PM - petebklyn
sounds cheap to me ...not expensive.
December 13, 2013 4:51 PM - Deleted
I took some profits in my stock portfolio a few weeks ago, so I'm feeling ok.
Edited at December 13, 2013 4:51 PM
December 13, 2013 5:07 PM - dibs
Details coming out on the Baruch hazing of the kid in the Asian fraternity…seems that 30 of them decided that they shouldn't call 9-1-1 after the kid passed out. So much for the belief that Asian college kids are of higher intelligence.
Edited at December 13, 2013 5:12 PM
December 13, 2013 5:13 PM - Legion
benson and dibs,
how do you feel about any of the following:
-the ongoing debacle that is the ACA and the fact that the large majority of people that seem to be enrolling are those now elegible for free Medicaid. Wouldn't it have been much easier and ALOT cheaper to just give these people Medicaid cards without turning the entire healthcare sector inside out?

-The ongoing spell of severe cold weather including record low temperatures throughout the northern united states, the lowest recorded temperatures ever on the planet and the continued expansion of arctic ice.
It would appear, that those who were doubting the science behind "global warming" have Mother Nature on their side.

-Iran pulls a fast one and steps away from nuke talks. I thought we had a grand bargain in the making with Putin, Assad and the new and enlightened Iranian regime. Putin tightens his grip on Russia and Ukraine while Asaad gets a reprieve and Iran continues to go nuclear. This administration really knows how to play chess.
December 13, 2013 5:14 PM - dibs
And, yes, as tragic as that situation was, I can't help fantasizing about being paddled by the entire Pi Delta Psi fraternity
Edited at December 13, 2013 5:14 PM
December 13, 2013 5:14 PM - Legion
I did miss talking to you guys, by the way. :o(
December 13, 2013 5:17 PM - dibs
Legion
- yes, the enrollment statistics for the ACA show that they never really had a clue how this would shake out. Even worse is the situation that more people have lost insurance than have enrolled

- what can I say? Facts dispute theories

- no one in the entire middle east nor Putin can be trusted. This is nothing new and it boggles the mind that American politicians never get this.
December 13, 2013 5:17 PM - rf
quote:
Without naming names, there are several here who are mentally closed in terms of dealing with new ideas or even opposing ideas.

pot = kettle
December 13, 2013 5:25 PM - dibs
I guess dh can't really go out bar hopping after work if he didn't shower this morning. Even girls who make bad decisions don't go that far.

Ewwwwwwwwww
Edited at December 13, 2013 5:25 PM
December 13, 2013 5:27 PM - dibs
Mega jackpot is $425 Million, second largest ever. No better scheme has ever been thought up by politicians to separate the poor from their money.
Edited at December 13, 2013 5:28 PM
December 13, 2013 5:29 PM - Legion
...I already addressed that rf.
I know you have a lot invested in the global warming issue but don't take my postings so personally.
Rather, understand that there is oftentimes validity to listening to opposing arguments. Even if the NY Times tells you otherwise every week.
December 13, 2013 5:32 PM - Legion
That's exactly it dibs,
you can't trust regimes that see our nation as their main problem.
Yet, in this country, if you are a despot the President is more than willing to shake your hand and bow to you.
If you are a Conservative or Republican American, you get his derision.

That sounds a lot like our OT at times.

...just trying for some OT shock therapy here. ;o)
December 13, 2013 5:33 PM - dibs
"Rather, understand that there is oftentimes validity to listening to opposing arguments. Even if the NY Times tells you otherwise every week."

This holds true even more so for what Krugman says.
Edited at December 13, 2013 5:33 PM
December 13, 2013 5:35 PM - Legion
...I'm actually grilling pork chops on the barbecue outside, as we speak.
December 13, 2013 5:36 PM - dibs
Humanitarian crisis of the Syrian refugees is now compounded by freezing temperatures.

The most disturbing result of this, other than the immediate loss of lives, is that all these refugees will be fertile ground for terrorits to recruit against America.
December 13, 2013 5:40 PM - dibs
I think I prefer pork nowadays over beef. It's typically far more tasty and a lot of restaurants will cook it med rare. A nice thick pork chop or a pork tenderloin can't be beat.
Edited at December 13, 2013 5:41 PM
December 13, 2013 6:04 PM - dibs
20 mile backup on the GWB
December 13, 2013 6:05 PM - Deleted
I made ribs last night with an Indian spice rub and mango ginger bbq sauce. Eating the leftovers soon.

Medium rare pork? Is that just a little pink in the middle?
Edited at December 13, 2013 6:05 PM
December 13, 2013 6:06 PM - Deleted
20 miles in which direction???
December 13, 2013 6:07 PM - dibs
Unclear from the news. Typical shitty reporting.

Yes, pink.
December 13, 2013 6:10 PM - petebklyn
westbound.
December 13, 2013 6:14 PM - petebklyn
besides if you're sitting home watching tv news...does it really matter which direction?
December 13, 2013 6:15 PM - Deleted
Yeah. I'm in no shape to get lucky tonight.
December 13, 2013 6:16 PM - dibs
True, Pete. Kinda why I didn't really care.

Glad I've never had to commute. When I took the train back to NYC from Philly at 6:50 AM, once a week that was rough enough.
December 13, 2013 6:18 PM - Legion
...just sit on your hand until it gets numb,
then get the kleenex and baby oil.
They call that the "date with a stranger".
December 13, 2013 6:19 PM - dibs
OK…off to dinner
Edited at December 13, 2013 6:19 PM
December 13, 2013 6:21 PM - Deleted
Married guy Pro tip ?
December 13, 2013 6:23 PM - Partridge
Closed the gap, now ahead of last year by $500. You can count on me for frequent updates as the year comes to a close.

Nice to see you back here, Legion. How was Florida? I feared an alligator ate you.
December 13, 2013 6:24 PM - petebklyn
you stay open expanded hours during christmas season, part?
Edited at December 13, 2013 6:24 PM
December 13, 2013 6:29 PM - Deleted
Married guy Pro tip ?
Edited at December 13, 2013 6:29 PM
December 13, 2013 6:29 PM - Partridge
Actually not much, Pete. I'll be open on the Monday before Christmas and will not lock people out at closing time. Staying open 'til 9pm has never proven fruitful.
December 13, 2013 6:30 PM - Partridge
You asked that already, DH.
December 13, 2013 6:31 PM - rf
Just finished making dinner. Bacon burgers, cheesy fries, salad.

Legion, saying pot = kettle is hardly taking it personally, certainly less personally than this:
quote: Without naming names, there are several here who are mentally closed in terms of dealing with new ideas or even opposing ideas.

And I don't just go by the NY Times, although I find that it is a much more reliable and self-correcting resource than Faux News or the Post.

December 13, 2013 6:40 PM - Deleted
Legion was waaaay cool on the beach. I dunno what happened.
December 13, 2013 6:50 PM - Deleted
There was supposed to be a winky face emoticon after dat
December 13, 2013 6:59 PM - petebklyn
I got a breakout of those irritating cold sores. Probably from being out in sun/wind in florida. Gross and annoying.
Edited at December 13, 2013 6:59 PM
December 13, 2013 7:03 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Dirty hipster still durty? ; )

Glad business is good, LP! I haven't had a second to shop, hoping to this weekend!

Patient #1 is home! Safely ensconced, and all the 'busy bees' are buzzing around, and I can take a step back from the mayhem. For an evening. Until the next crisis.
December 13, 2013 7:06 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Vitamin C, Pete? And some Blistex? That stuff seems to cure all. Was it a good trip? Sun, sand, cocktails? Let me live vicariously...

Ft. Lauderdale again?
December 13, 2013 7:06 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Did anyone see the Fox News anchor saying Jesus and Santa are both white?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/12/megyn-kelly-jesus-and-santa-were-white-179491.html
December 13, 2013 7:07 PM - petebklyn
if you can take a step in any direction I assume your foot issue is better
December 13, 2013 7:10 PM - rf
Cobble, I am so glad you have a respite. Hope it lasts for a while.
December 13, 2013 7:14 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Foot cleared up in a day or three. I must have taken a 'wrong step' at some point earlier, and not noticed in all the flurry of activity. All fine now. BnH got me some gel cushion-y things, perhaps they helped?

Thanks, rf. Me, too. Though at their ages, with their issues, I'm steeling myself for more.
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December 13, 2013 7:19 PM - rf
Cobble, I know what you mean. The last year(s) of an old person's life can be very difficult for everyone, but I am sure your old friend is very, very happy to be home.
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December 13, 2013 7:20 PM - RowerChick
Six, that's been my favorite daily show segment for the last couple of days. Megyn is hy-sterical.
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December 13, 2013 7:20 PM - Legion
...the beach would be nice to place to vacation for a while. :o)
Jack Slade had a really super record collection and The What knew how to make the place cozy.

Hi partridge,
Florida was the closure of a chapter. I sold my parents' home. :o(
You know how in the movies, there's a montage that flashes across the screen with all these scenes from the past? That's what it felt like closing their front door for the last time.

Otherwise, I've been taking a big chunk out of life:
-attended a beautiful wedding
-an overnight Bar Mitzvah in Connecticut
-a bunch of stuff with the kids including a school dance presentation and ice skating lessons.
...most recently, the first official fist "fight" for littlelegion, he went to a birthday party/movie outing/ Japanese restaurant with a bunch of other boys and only a couple of mom chaperones.

-
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December 13, 2013 7:25 PM - Legion
...apparently the evening ended with several 4th and 5th graders brawling on Emmons Avenue in Brooklyn. Nothing serious but the stories are pretty funny from the kids' and parents' perspective.

December 13, 2013 7:32 PM - rf
Wow, that must have been some party!
December 13, 2013 7:36 PM - ilovestoops
I thought rob made some good points, although they probably went over my head (agree with benson's comment). rob, if you're reading this, I wish you well getting things sorted out.

kazoo: so sorry for your loss.
December 13, 2013 7:37 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Today was possibly the first day that I felt the new team of people helping me & my friends really truly working, communicating well, and making it all happen. Fingers are crossed that it's a sign of good things to come.

My friends won't ever go back to their lives as they once were. But I'm hopeful that we can make the quality of their lives in their remaining days as cozy, warm and comfortable as possible. I spend a lot of time thinking about the lives they've lived, how they spent their time, the things that were important to them. The mark they've made, and continue to make. Their successes and disappointments. Who they loved. How they treated people close to them. And how they've loved life. They're just two people, among billions. Like the rest of us. But I try to learn the lessons they have to share. To pay attention to seemingly unimportant moments.

A photo from 60 years ago tells a story of a movie star beautiful young woman, and her family's hopes and dreams for her. The young man in the center of the photo, back from fighting a war and being shot at by the Japanese. And their parents, immigrants, working their asses off to provide a life unimaginable for themselves where they came from. And how their lives unfolded...

This is some of what I spend my time thinking about these days.

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December 13, 2013 7:45 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
rob will find his way.

The OT, otoh, is on life support.
December 13, 2013 7:49 PM - petebklyn
I was in St. Petersburg this time. Kayak at WeechiWatchi or something like that...of mermaid fame.
Abreva and acyclovir for treatment but I had run out so not started on time. Paying the price now.

If you spend all your time thinking about those things you'll never get the christmas shopping done.
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December 13, 2013 7:54 PM - petebklyn
what time is snow starting tomorrow. That should make everyone festive and put in the christmas spirit.
December 13, 2013 7:54 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I know! This is exactly why I have this new team on the case! I need to spend some of my time elsewhere, and my friends would want me to, too! (Hush, DIBS). I need some quality time with Birdie, and the short people, before they're taller than me, and can't remember my name!
December 13, 2013 8:02 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Early, 6am, I think. I'm looking forward to it, and doing some visiting and shopping.
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December 13, 2013 8:03 PM - rf
School kids everywhere grumbling that a Saturday snowfall means no chance for a snow day.
December 13, 2013 8:06 PM - ilovestoops
cobble: sorry things have been so difficult for your friends lately, but so glad that you have such friends!
Edited at December 13, 2013 8:06 PM
December 13, 2013 8:10 PM - BoerumHillScott
Don't get the "OT is on life support" and "OT will die out by new years" comments.
Plenty of online communities stay around for years with only a handful of posts a day, and this week we still have averaged over 300 a day, and I would guess that only around 100 a day have been about recent events on the site.
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December 13, 2013 8:25 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I don't think it will die, BHS. I just think the OT's limping along right now while people sort out how they feel about the past week. I'm hopeful that people who have absented themselves will come back. And that fences can be mended. Call me Pollyanna, I see it, but I'm hopeful nonetheless.
December 13, 2013 8:31 PM - rf
I agree, Cobble; you, too, Scott. I will miss some more than others and maybe it will be a little less active and/or interesting for a while, but maybe not. And we'll see who stays away and who (if anyone) comes back.
December 13, 2013 8:32 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Thank you, stoops. They're fascinating, and wonderful, to me. As difficult as it is to watch their decline, there are so many amazing moments of trust and faith. I'm not a very trusting person, but their and their aide's faith and trust, has taught me a lot over the years.
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December 13, 2013 8:33 PM - Deleted
Wine. God damn that tastes good.
December 13, 2013 8:34 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Sweet, stoops! We're going to get a small tree for the apt. We only have room for a tiny Charlie Brown Christmas tree, but we'll love it all up! ; )
December 13, 2013 8:35 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Cheers, randi!

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December 13, 2013 8:36 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I'm having not-so-cheap-swill...
December 13, 2013 8:37 PM - ilovestoops
I'm just leaving the pic up for a few minutes since it shows the bldg.
December 13, 2013 8:38 PM - Deleted
Off to my poker game. Remember our motto: peace, love and stfu!
December 13, 2013 8:40 PM - ilovestoops
I may have another one of those spiked eggnogs tonight myself.

ran lots of errands today and bought myself xmas presents - ceramic stuff that I really like from this lady who has a sale at this time every year.

also, forgot to mention, picked up my record player (with record changer) and 8-track tape deck from being repaired but have to get speakers before I can listen to them. Left original speakers tied to sprinkler pipes in my old loft.
December 13, 2013 8:41 PM - ilovestoops
benson - be careful who you get a ride with!
December 13, 2013 8:42 PM - MontroseMorris
It's that time of year for Christmas LOLcats!

You were warned!
December 13, 2013 8:51 PM - ilovestoops
removed
December 13, 2013 8:54 PM - BoerumHillScott
All cat pictures should be that funny.
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December 13, 2013 8:59 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Snort! Good one, MM! Crazy cats...so much material...so little time...
December 13, 2013 9:00 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I'm buying egg nog tomorrow. What should I spike it with? Should I make it myself, or is store bought just fine?
December 13, 2013 9:15 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Alton Brown says bourbon, what about rum? DH? What say you?

Martha says bourbon, rum and cognac! The big boozer! ; )
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December 13, 2013 9:24 PM - BoerumHillScott
RowerChick's dad put apple brandy in eggnog last year, and it turned out very well.
We were at a party last weekend where there was rum mixed in, but in very small amounts.
December 13, 2013 9:28 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Oh, really? I have a bottle of nice calvados, maybe I'll buy a little rum, too, and experiment.

I also have some decent armagnac, I wonder if that would work?
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December 13, 2013 9:31 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
hola loserinos! the week is finito! wheeeeee! swill in hand, cat on feet, sweet :-)
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December 13, 2013 9:31 PM - ilovestoops
cobble: I usually use brandy but used rum the other day (when you thought I was drunk) and really liked it. When I first got eggnog about 3 years ago, I bought pear brandy because that's all the store had & I really don't like it. I have only ever had store-bought eggnog so have nothing fresh made to compare it to.
December 13, 2013 9:32 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
cobbly, any of those work well in 'nog. i like whiskey in mine. tasty.
December 13, 2013 9:33 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Hi Snaps! You can say that again. I've got my feet up, and cheap swill in hand. Wish I had a warm kitty!
December 13, 2013 9:34 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
they've been making and selling 'nog in the cafeteria at work. lately it's been too sweet though. i kept telling them that they could fix that little issue by adding some whiskey, but alas, they would not do it. it would certainly make the work day far more interesting!
December 13, 2013 9:35 PM - rf
I'm listening to James Taylor and Carole King on PBS. Nice memories.
December 13, 2013 9:36 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
love those two. i used to say i was going to marry j.t. so he could sing me to sleep at nite. hey, j.t., you lurkin? the offer still stands!
December 13, 2013 9:37 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
oh, and carole, the offer goes for you too! :-)
December 13, 2013 9:37 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Thanks, stoops, I'm tempted to make it, but buying it seems more likely time-wise. I think my parents put rum or bourbon in it. They had friends that brought rum from Jamaica, I remember that.

Great, thanks, Snaps. Maybe we should have a taste-test? ; )
December 13, 2013 9:37 PM - rf
They just sang "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow." Of course I remember the original, from the Shirelles. High school days!
December 13, 2013 9:37 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
someone get carly on the line she can get the same deal. i'll be the official brooklyn polygamist.
December 13, 2013 9:38 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
taste test? but of course!
December 13, 2013 9:39 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I loved them both a lot when I was a kid. JT can still make me cry. It still cracks me up that 'young' Snapster even knows who they are!
December 13, 2013 9:41 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
i grew up on that stuff. i always loved it. i think i was born a decade or two too late.
December 13, 2013 9:42 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Snort! I'll tell you a secret...BnH looked a little like JT when he was a young guy. Adorbs!
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December 13, 2013 9:43 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
so did everyone play mega millions for today?
December 13, 2013 9:43 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
awwww...a j.t. lookalike? wonderful! the girlies must've been ga-ga over him!
December 13, 2013 9:46 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
We played at the office, with our winnings from earlier in the week.

Everyone thought BnH was a sweet cutie pie catch. He's always had the same sweetness to him.
Edited at December 13, 2013 9:46 PM
December 13, 2013 9:47 PM - rf
What winnings from earlier in the week????? Cobble, what are you hiding from us?????
December 13, 2013 9:48 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
you got rich cobbly? and didn't tell us??? FOR SHAME!!!
December 13, 2013 9:49 PM - rf
Snappy, it's too late (baby, it's too late)! They gambled it away.
December 13, 2013 9:50 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Ha! I think it was $10 or $12 bucks. When I win the lotto, you gals will be the first to know! 'Cause we're going on a vay-cay!
December 13, 2013 9:51 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
BnH!!! Don't do that!! Omg...I almost had heart attack. My eyes!!
December 13, 2013 9:52 PM - BirdnestHead
Just an experiment




Click here

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December 13, 2013 9:54 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
i hope my vacay is the cute little house around the corner from me...HINT HINT HINT! :-)
December 13, 2013 9:54 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Geezus...Birdie! Thank you. Oy!
December 13, 2013 9:54 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
lol rf!
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December 13, 2013 9:54 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
what'd i miss? what did he post?
December 13, 2013 9:55 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Lol! How about a week on a tropical island? With umbrellas, lounge chairs, and cool fruity drinks?
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December 13, 2013 9:56 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
you postin' sexy cat pics, birdie?
December 13, 2013 9:56 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
That link originally went to Silverdaddies! Omg!
December 13, 2013 9:56 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
tropical island??? but, but...i don't need a tan! i was blessed with a lovely permanent one!
December 13, 2013 9:57 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
ewwwwww!
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December 13, 2013 9:57 PM - BirdnestHead
OMG 301!!!!!

2 days in a row....
December 13, 2013 9:58 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
magic!
December 13, 2013 9:59 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I'm trying to reign him in...he's on a tear...

Tan or no tan...you need a vay-cay! Cool blue water, sunsets, tropical breeze, cocktails, no?
December 13, 2013 10:00 PM - rf
Hey, Snappy, you can lounge in the pool (in the shade of course) with an umbrella drink. Go for it! I would!
December 13, 2013 10:00 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
if i have to travel for my vacay, i'll take two weeks at mama snaps' house. kthx!
December 13, 2013 10:01 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
i don't swim!
December 13, 2013 10:01 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
there's a pool in mama snaps' backyard. i'll just hang with her on the back porch and watch the kids splash :-)
December 13, 2013 10:03 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
What! Momma Snaps has a pool! You've been holding out on us!
December 13, 2013 10:04 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
A guitar just came out...you've inspired him. He's playing it!
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December 13, 2013 10:04 PM - rf
Snaps, they make these floating chairs with drinkie holders...no need to swim. Weather much nicer than Pittsburgh!
December 13, 2013 10:04 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
it's not an adult size that you can swim in. it's big, but big for a kid. lemme find a pic...
December 13, 2013 10:04 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
but rf, mama snaps is in pgh...i wanna be where she is!
December 13, 2013 10:04 PM - rf
Plus plenty of eye candy for you.
December 13, 2013 10:06 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Are you missing your Momma? Holidays do that, I think.

I'd love to be at my folks Xmas Eve party...that was really sweet and big fun for many years.
Edited at December 13, 2013 10:07 PM
December 13, 2013 10:12 PM - BirdnestHead
I love J.T.'s music. Taught myself "Sweet Baby James" a while ago. 'Course, I've forgotten it now...
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December 13, 2013 10:13 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
here it is...full of loud kiddos!
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December 13, 2013 10:14 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
i always miss my mama. she drives me nuts sometimes, but i wouldn't trade her for anything.
December 13, 2013 10:18 PM - rf
This time of year, I miss my Oma (grandmother).
December 13, 2013 10:20 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
My cousins had an Oma, she made the best Christmas fudge. It was the first gift we wanted to open every year.

She sent us a nice big box, a couple dozen pieces tucked into wax paper. I've tried and failed to replicate it.
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December 13, 2013 10:29 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
gramma's are great. miss mine as well. sigh.
December 13, 2013 10:30 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
i think i drank my swill too fast. my peepers are crossing!
December 13, 2013 10:32 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
ok...i've been up and working since the crack of dawn. time for me to get horizontal. nitey nite and sweet dreams to you all :-)
December 13, 2013 10:37 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Cripes! How many kids are in that pool!?

Sorry, Snaps, I was doing the dinner dishes. G'nite, sleep well.
December 13, 2013 10:57 PM - Partridge
Night, night.

Someone post the Weekend OT thread in the morning. Is tomorrow as Shopping with Snappy Saturday?

I'll be busy. See you ALL on the other side of insanity.

Big drama over. Snappy made the right call. She knows him the best, she loves him the most. Y'all shoulda trusted her.
Edited at December 13, 2013 10:57 PM