Monday OT
December 9, 2013 6:39 AM - Deleted

December 9, 2013 6:52 AM - BoerumHillScott
Looks like I missed a fun time this weekend being a loser and doing things in the real world.

For the record, I 100% support what Snappy did yesterday regarding Rob's account.
Ignoring all the personalities involved, there was a clear and public statement made by one member that he wanted his account deleted, and the statement included a firm timeline.
Just because it was addressed to the primary site owner/administrator, I feel that it was completely appropriate for other site administrators to carry out the request.

December 9, 2013 6:55 AM - Deleted
Doing stuff irl? Loser!
December 9, 2013 7:11 AM - BoerumHillScott
Along with other stuff, we bought a Christmas tree, went to a Christmas party, and attended a Christmas concert (that RowerChick sang in).
Very Christmas weekend.

We also ate at Provence en Boite last night.
Great food, but the place was deserted and the service was still not that great.
December 9, 2013 7:31 AM - dibs
I don't think she should have blocked him.
Edited at December 9, 2013 7:31 AM
December 9, 2013 7:34 AM - rf
You don't think Rob is capable of requesting (demanding) what he wants? Why? Is he incompetent?
December 9, 2013 7:35 AM - dibs
People say things in the heat of the moment and then change their minds. Too hard to understand?
December 9, 2013 7:41 AM - dibs
Seems everywhere around us has snow excepy NYC
December 9, 2013 7:42 AM - Deleted
Wasn't the heat of the moment.
December 9, 2013 7:42 AM - dibs
December 9, 2013 7:43 AM - dibs
I left my sweater at a restaurant yesterday. Have to go back of it tomorrow.
December 9, 2013 7:45 AM - dibs
I didn't know you had ther final say about this.
December 9, 2013 7:45 AM - Deleted
He's been wanting a break for a while. If he wants back he can text me or anyone else whose contact info he has.

You guys are sorta sick. Seems you want him around for your perverse amusement even when he doesn't want to be here.

The end. Dassit. No more to discuss.
Edited at December 9, 2013 7:45 AM
December 9, 2013 7:46 AM - Deleted
I do. Qed. Capiche?
December 9, 2013 7:46 AM - dibs
He'll want to come back around tax time.
December 9, 2013 7:49 AM - rf
There was no heat of the moment.

If he thinks it's not good for him to have the opportunity to post here, and he doesn't like having the temptation, then so be it. Just because someone quits smoking or drinking doesn't mean they want to have a pack of cigarettes in the house or a beer in the fridge.
December 9, 2013 7:51 AM - dibs
December 9, 2013 7:52 AM - dibs
Now I'm stuck just listening to you morons.

December 9, 2013 7:57 AM - dibs
First Snappy banned rob and I said nothing…..
December 9, 2013 8:01 AM - Deleted
Stop trying to shit stir. Don't you have to go into the office?
December 9, 2013 8:05 AM - dibs
No. It's raining.
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December 9, 2013 8:05 AM - dibs
Yeah, I shit stir and look who floats to the top!!!!
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December 9, 2013 8:06 AM - dibs
Will randi get out of the hospital today?
December 9, 2013 8:07 AM - BoerumHillScott
Dave, you really are being an asshole.
Rob was not banned.
He asked for his account to be deleted and it was.

People somehow blaming Snappy for what happed are either beyond dense, but most likely just trying to stir up shit or open up past wounds.
If I had been at my computer yesterday afternoon and Snappy had been away, things would have happened the exact same way, except I would have been the one doing the admin work.

All rob has to do is e-mail me, and I will restore his account.

December 9, 2013 8:09 AM - dibs
Senate going to ban plastic guns.

I'm sure a lot of psychos and criminals do what the Senate says.
December 9, 2013 8:15 AM - BoerumHillScott
And more importantly, the service at Provence en Boite was really strange last night.

When we got there around 6:15, there was only 1 or 2 tables occupied, and two floor staff.
Our waiter was very attentive as we walked in, and took our coats to the back for us. Drink orders, description of the specials, and food orders we all done very well.

Then guy kind of disappeared. He did not completely abandon us, but visits were few and pre perfunctory. Water cups went empty, he did not replace the water bottle on the table, and when we were done there was a noticeable delay in clearing the table and no attempt was even made to ask us about desert.

Even taking care of the check was slow, and when we got up to leave no attempt was made to get our coats for us. And this was in a restaurant where we were now the only table.

I can only guess that when he say that between 4 people we only ordered 2 glassess of wine and one appetizer, he decided that we were not big enough spenders to give him a tip worthy of his time.

Or perhaps he was just French and trying to live up to the reputation.

December 9, 2013 8:18 AM - dibs
How old was he? Probably justy a lazy millennial. But yes, being French would explain a lot of it.
December 9, 2013 8:19 AM - dibs
We had a busboy who wore mascara and had a very bitchy face. But our waiter was nice. We drank a bit more though.
Edited at December 9, 2013 8:19 AM
December 9, 2013 8:20 AM - BoerumHillScott
I am a horrible judge of age, but he seemed to be older than DH, but younger than Randi.
Edited at December 9, 2013 8:20 AM
December 9, 2013 8:22 AM - dibs
And, I will admit to something I rarely do. I took the bus from 42nd street up to 58th. There were absolutely no taxis to be had. It had just started snowing.

Got a taxi right away though later to return to Brooklyn.
December 9, 2013 8:26 AM - dibs
Here's a deal that just popped up in my email…

Six Weeks of Adult Acting Classes
Sedgwick - Russell Acting Classes
1627 Broadway, New York

I think a few people around here could use some classes that teach them to act like adults.
Edited at December 9, 2013 8:27 AM
December 9, 2013 8:26 AM - BoerumHillScott
Dave on a bus?
The end is nigh.
Edited at December 9, 2013 8:26 AM
December 9, 2013 8:31 AM - Deleted
Gm. Waiting. Bored and hungry and thirsty but they won't let me eat or drink.

Lol how butthurt Dibs is about Rob banning himself. Haha.
December 9, 2013 8:33 AM - dibs
Go empty your bedpan, randi.
December 9, 2013 8:33 AM - dibs
Just learned that someone else had themselves blocked in protest.
December 9, 2013 8:34 AM - dibs
SYY +30% in pre market!!!!

December 9, 2013 8:37 AM - Deleted
So no more dcb or cgar? One of them was equally as butthurt about it.
December 9, 2013 8:38 AM - dibs
Who asked about collector cars? DCB?

Story coming up on CNBC about them. Probably won't be very informative
Edited at December 9, 2013 8:40 AM
December 9, 2013 8:59 AM - dibs
It's absolutely ridiculous that JPM is being investigated for hiring children of mainland China politicos. First of all, these kids are going to be the best educated in all of China. Secondly, so what. Why is it wrong to hire someone who might be able to bring some business in??

Government has way overstepped here.
Edited at December 9, 2013 9:00 AM
December 9, 2013 9:00 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
Wow. I can't believe how everyone here lets rob play puppet master, he's playing you all like a violin. He is no doubt reading this and giggling to himself at his desk at work.
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December 9, 2013 9:02 AM - rf
Where was this restaurant in which the busboy wore mascara?
December 9, 2013 9:04 AM - dibs
41st and 2nd


Why? Do you need makeup tips?
December 9, 2013 9:10 AM - Deleted
What's being investigated Dave?
December 9, 2013 9:12 AM - BoerumHillScott
Judging from talk around the office and on Facebook, various college teams won/lost at football this weekend, and people are ecstatic/devastated about the results.
Some friends are considering spending $1500 a ticket plus travel expenses to watch a game in Pasadena.

December 9, 2013 9:14 AM - dibs
Just the fact that they are hiring connected individuals. Ridiculous. That's how business is done. You don't think a lot of senators, business executives, etc sons & daughters don't get hired here??? Of course they do…because they are connected.
December 9, 2013 9:14 AM - dibs
There were the most snowy NFL games yesterday since 1991.
December 9, 2013 9:16 AM - BoerumHillScott
China-bashing and bank-bashing are both popular and politically safe, and it takes attention away from the fact that nothing else is getting done.
December 9, 2013 9:17 AM - Deleted
December 9, 2013 9:17 AM - dibs
So true, Scott.
December 9, 2013 9:18 AM - dibs
8" in Philly
December 9, 2013 9:20 AM - Deleted
December 9, 2013 9:37 AM - Deleted
Can someone who is good at math help me here: my insurance is

$3500 deductible
Beyond that I pay 30% and insurance pays 70% until i reach my max out of pocket of 18k. After that insurance pays 100%.

So what would my total hospital bill have to be in order for me to max out?
December 9, 2013 9:38 AM - BoerumHillScott
Here is a house that RowerChick loves right now.
I think it’s pretty solid, although I would need to fix a few issues with the layout and would like to rearrange a bit.

December 9, 2013 9:39 AM - Deleted
December 9, 2013 9:39 AM - dibs
3500 +.30x = 18000

Solve for x
December 9, 2013 9:40 AM - Deleted
forgot the deductable - 63,500
December 9, 2013 9:41 AM - BoerumHillScott
As I read it, with total expenses of $51,833, you would have paid your $3500 deductable + 30% of the next $48,333 for total out of pocket of $18,000.
December 9, 2013 9:41 AM - Slope4Eva
Randi, good luck today. I am terrible at math, but you won't come anywhere near that amount.

Worry about bills when you get home. You have no choice but to have this procedure and get well. Try to remain calm.
December 9, 2013 9:43 AM - rf
No, I think our CPA is correct. $63,500.
December 9, 2013 9:45 AM - dibs
No, Scott is correct

3500 + .30x = 18000
December 9, 2013 9:46 AM - BoerumHillScott
$63,500 is the number if the deductible does not count towards the out of pocket maximum.
With my insurance, the deductible is included.
December 9, 2013 9:46 AM - Deleted
uhhh that equation = 63,500
Edited at December 9, 2013 9:46 AM
December 9, 2013 9:48 AM - Deleted
i dunno how insurance works. i go to the doctor maybe once a year.
December 9, 2013 9:50 AM - BoerumHillScott
DH needs to retake algebra I
December 9, 2013 9:50 AM - dibs
Total out of pocket means total out of pocket, including deductible.
December 9, 2013 9:51 AM - dibs
No, dh.

You solve that equation by subtracting 3,500 from the 18,000
Edited at December 9, 2013 9:52 AM
December 9, 2013 9:52 AM - Deleted
oh word you subtract the 3500 on both sides then divide. derp
December 9, 2013 9:52 AM - dibs
Yup. You owe me a drink on the jinx
December 9, 2013 9:54 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
I think BHS has the total number right. If you take the 51k figure, subtract the deductible of 3500, and multiply the result by .30, you get roughly 14.5. Add the 3500 deductible back in, and you get 18k max out of pocket, no?
Edited at December 9, 2013 9:55 AM
December 9, 2013 9:54 AM - BoerumHillScott
I'm never having DH do my taxes.
December 9, 2013 9:55 AM - Deleted
fun day so far - more arguing about rob and algebra.
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December 9, 2013 9:55 AM - dibs
Algebra is beyond the scope of accounting.
December 9, 2013 9:56 AM - dibs
December 9, 2013 9:56 AM - Deleted
damn skippy its beyond the scope
December 9, 2013 9:57 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
Lol, and I sucked at algebra. Now geometry...that was fun!
December 9, 2013 10:00 AM - BoerumHillScott
This seems like a good deal for a South Slope (16th street) 2 family.
December 9, 2013 10:04 AM - dibs
Cats Steal the Show at Brooklyn Nativity Scene
RED HOOK - For more than a decade, sisters Annette and Sue Amendola have erected a Christmas nativity scene in a lot at 344 Van Brunt St. in Red Hook, right next door to their home. The traditional nativity, which features statues of the Virgin Mary and Joseph kneeling in front of a hay bale that serves as the Amendolas' manger, is filled with the traditional scenes honoring the birth of Jesus on Christmas. But the Amendolas' nativity has one extra feature: a colony of feral cats, who take over the creche, nesting among the holy scene. When the Amendolas finally put out the statue of the baby Jesus on December 25, the cats oust him from his manger, taking his place on the hay.
"People love it, but they really get a laugh out of the cats," said Sue Amendola.
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December 9, 2013 10:10 AM - BoerumHillScott
More proof to never trust anyone who lives in Red Hook.
December 9, 2013 10:10 AM - rf
Concierge medicine, anyone?
December 9, 2013 10:13 AM - dibs
There will be trouble when the magi arrive
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December 9, 2013 10:38 AM - dibs
LOL, Harvey Pittt, ex-chairman of the SEC called the upcoming implementation of the Volcker Rule "The Lawyers' Relief Act of 2014"
December 9, 2013 10:48 AM - rf
There's a very similar creche (complete with plywood frame) every year in front of a house around the corner from me. But no feral cats. And no one knocks off the Baby Jesus (or steals him).

May I say, as a Jew, how much I love that cat photo?
December 9, 2013 10:53 AM - pepper

Cibo is a great restaurant.
December 9, 2013 10:55 AM - dibs
There's one with real animals every year in Philly at the Old First Reformed Church
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December 9, 2013 10:56 AM - pepper
randi's max out of pocket should be $18k, no? assuming the deductible is included in that. if it's not, it would be $18k + $3.5k...
December 9, 2013 10:56 AM - dibs
Pepper, my short ribs were great, as was the mac and cheese they came with instead of garlic mashed
December 9, 2013 10:57 AM - pepper
Yeah, I really love that place. I used to go alot when I worked on 42nd and 3rd. I still go there with my father sometimes.
December 9, 2013 11:43 AM - Deleted
December 9, 2013 11:47 AM - pepper
December 9, 2013 12:12 PM - BoerumHillScott
What's for lunch?
I'm trying to be good and just eating cereal at my desk.
Too many food temptations this time of year.
Edited at December 9, 2013 12:11 PM
December 9, 2013 12:17 PM - pepper
I'm struggling with this question. I never know what to get... It's always my most difficult decision of the day.
December 9, 2013 12:18 PM - dibs
I'm having a ham and cheese sandwich as we speak.
December 9, 2013 12:24 PM - dibs
SEC will be investigating Friday's option activity in SYY
Edited at December 9, 2013 12:24 PM
December 9, 2013 12:26 PM - dibs
I don't make many decisions anymore.
Edited at December 9, 2013 12:26 PM
December 9, 2013 12:31 PM - dibs
My biggest decision is probably whether ot not to have cereal at home or a donut/toasted roll at the office for breakfast
December 9, 2013 12:54 PM - Deleted
December 9, 2013 12:55 PM - pepper
I ended up with Chicken Noodle soup and an egg salad sandwich from Pret.
December 9, 2013 12:57 PM - BoerumHillScott
Every couple of years I get in the mood for egg salad and go though a phase were I make it on a regular basis, although I usually eat it with crackers instead of on a sandwich.
Edited at December 9, 2013 12:57 PM
December 9, 2013 12:58 PM - pepper
Yeah, I crave it once in a while, even though it's not one of my favorites. Today it seemed like it would taste very good...
December 9, 2013 1:00 PM - Deleted
Here's another one of those "Don't know whether to cry or laugh" situations.

Greenpeace UK has produced a video in which the most sullen Santa of all times warns children of the possibility of canceling Christmas unless something is done about Global Warming!!! Way to go Greenpeace! Up the shrillness factor another order of magnitude, that'll do the trick!!!!!
Edited at December 9, 2013 1:00 PM
December 9, 2013 1:01 PM - dibs
Greenpeace = wackjobs
December 9, 2013 1:02 PM - Deleted
Where's my buddy Legion? He'd get a kick out of that video.
Edited at December 9, 2013 1:02 PM
December 9, 2013 1:03 PM - BoerumHillScott
Does anyone pay attention to Greenpeace anymore?
They seem to be up there with PETA as fringe groups that long ago turned into caricatures.

December 9, 2013 1:13 PM - dibs
Beautiful P.S. condo….
Edited at December 9, 2013 1:13 PM
December 9, 2013 1:16 PM - pepper
Nice place.
December 9, 2013 1:20 PM - dibs
Lots of discussion about "Cadillac" healthcare plans being scaled back or taxed.

If that happens to the oneI have I'll never, ever vote for a fucking Democrat again.

Talk about fucking ridiculous.

Looks like they may lose the Senate!!!!!
Edited at December 9, 2013 1:24 PM
December 9, 2013 1:27 PM - Deleted
let me guess- you have a cadillac health plan
December 9, 2013 1:29 PM - Deleted

Please be aware that your using the word "Obamacare" is akin to using the n-word. Thus sayeth a MSNBC host:

IS MSNBC vying for troll status?
Edited at December 9, 2013 1:29 PM
December 9, 2013 1:31 PM - dibs
I assume it is, dh. It's a very good one.

Penalizing people for having good, quality healthcare is something only a Democrat could think up. It's utterly ridiculous.
December 9, 2013 1:31 PM - Deleted
no, but you seem to be
December 9, 2013 1:32 PM - Deleted
A little touchy there, DH.
December 9, 2013 1:34 PM - dibs
LOL at being given talking points…

"Last week, President Obama's pollster Joel Benenson sent a memo to congressional Democrats encouraging them to refocus attention on the economy and ignore the health care chaos that has consumed the administration for the last two months. The three-page set of talking points argued that the media's relentless focus on the Obamacare website is a "distraction" from more important work on the minds of voters."
December 9, 2013 1:35 PM - MontroseMorris
"Looks like they may lose the Senate!!!!!"

The article did not say that. It said SOME pollsters and insiders say that, but the article also ended by those same people saying that it's not 2014 yet, so don't count your chickens.
December 9, 2013 1:39 PM - dibs
If Obamacare really starts to have an effect on people's existing healthcare, you can bet they'll lose the Senate, AS THEY SHOULD.
Edited at December 9, 2013 1:40 PM
December 9, 2013 1:41 PM - Deleted
is this like your big bold predictions about romney winning the whitehouse?
December 9, 2013 1:42 PM - dibs
I never predicted he would. I just hoped he would.
December 9, 2013 1:44 PM - MontroseMorris
He's absolutely right. (Bennison) The website is being fixed, and meantime there's plenty else to do that needs doing. The focus should be on the economy, not the website. Also the website is not the entirety of the ACA. Regarding that, the guy from MSNBC needs to focus too. I see the point, but making a big deal over a word that the president himself turned from a curse word to an affirmation is an unnecessary distraction. This Congress was the most idle, useless Congress in the history of the body. That should be reason enough to stop all of the side shows from both sides, but especially the Republicans, and get on with doing what they were elected to do, which is to pass laws that help the nation grow and prosper.
Edited at December 9, 2013 1:45 PM
December 9, 2013 1:44 PM - Deleted
i don't know about that...
December 9, 2013 1:45 PM - dibs
Yes, of course, "especially the Republicans."
Edited at December 9, 2013 1:45 PM
December 9, 2013 1:47 PM - dibs
In fact, the budget negotiations are currently going on and going rather smoothly.
December 9, 2013 1:49 PM - MontroseMorris
Let me clarify - yes, the website needs to be fixed. Yes, there are other problems with the ACA. But does that mean the entire ACA is toast, no, it does not, and it is not. Fix the broken stuff, and let's keep going. While it is being fixed, let's do something else that needs doing, and not just sit at the roadside rubbernecking while traffic is backed up for miles behind. THere are other issues and other things that need doing.
December 9, 2013 1:50 PM - dibs
MM, what is ypour opinion on my point about Cadillac group plans having to cut back benefits or be taxed?
December 9, 2013 1:51 PM - MontroseMorris
Yes, the Republicans, who are still putting forth anti-women, anti-gay and other social issues bills before Congress, instead of paying attention to important things. What about the minimum wage? There are a host of problems they could be addressing, but are not.
December 9, 2013 1:52 PM - BoerumHillScott
If many ACA issues do not get fixed by next November, I think the Democrats have a high chance of losing the Senate.
One can argue the short and long term benefits and issues with ACA, but the overall public perception is terrible.

Edited at December 9, 2013 1:52 PM
December 9, 2013 1:53 PM - dibs
I'm betting, and hoping, that they recind the penalty tax for not having healthcare in 2014.
Edited at December 9, 2013 1:53 PM
December 9, 2013 1:55 PM - MontroseMorris
I don't know enough about Cadillac plans, or enough about what they are proposing to do to them to have an opinion.
December 9, 2013 1:56 PM - dibs
Well, lets put it this way: Do you think anyone should be taxed or have their benefits cut just because they may have a better plan????
Edited at December 9, 2013 1:56 PM
December 9, 2013 1:56 PM - Deleted
another day complaining incessantly about ACA>
December 9, 2013 1:58 PM - dibs
I'm not complaining about ACA. I'm complaining about the unintended consequences.
December 9, 2013 1:59 PM - Deleted
fine, another day of you complaing about that

go do something!
Edited at December 9, 2013 1:59 PM
December 9, 2013 2:00 PM - dibs
And another day of you compaining about people complaining.

Fuck off.
December 9, 2013 2:04 PM - Deleted
i'm not complaining - just making note.

go do something
December 9, 2013 2:04 PM - Partridge
lol! Where's Arkady? She'll like this story.

One of my best friends called me this morning, seething with anger, telling me that he had just been accused of shoplifting at his local garden center in Oxfordshire. He is as likely to shoplift as Dave is. In fact, when he is next in town, you two should meet and enjoy a long discussion about the merits of proper table settings!

As a retailer, I was mortified by incident and I suggested that he send a letter off to the owner/management. Here is his letter with a few edits.

"Dear Sir or Madam,

I live on The Hill in [edited] and I shop your store on a regular basis
(a least twice a week, sometimes more,.
over the past six years).

Today I had a very peculiar and very embarrassing situation occur. So
embarrassing, that after my initial shock,
I grew angry and thought I had better complain to management.

I was in a long queue at the plant entrance and only one till was open.
Eventually a gentleman, who, over the years,
I have thought to be a store manager (I had never seen him behind a
till before), in a fluster, decided to open another till.

He served a couple in front of me who were buying a Christmas tree and
other items. There were some difficulties in his
using the till and these continued when I was called next. I had a
double-shelf trolley with five bags of logs and a box
of kindling on the bottom, 4 bags of bird food, and 2 bunches of
evergreens on the top. All of the items on top I removed
to the counter so each could be scanned. And some had to be scanned
twice, as this gentleman's problems continued.

Sale completed, he asked another employee to take over the till. I
proceeded to my car and took my time loading the items.
As I was returning the trolley toward the front
of the store, the same gentleman came out to me and stated that "a
colleague" had questioned him as to whether or not
he had "scanned the Christmas lights that I had in my trolley." I
explained that I had had no Christmas lights in my trolley
but he continued to refer to "a colleague, who might be mistaken, but
thought he had missed these lights." In disbelief, I invited
him to come to my car and check. When I opened the boot, and all the
items I had paid for were plainly in view - and no
Christmas lights, he proceeded to move all the items about. Going so
far as to lift heavy bags of logs to see if these
phantom lights were hidden below. At this point, I was getting slightly
agitated and sarcastically pointed out that I had not yet
taken him to the front door of the car to see if I had the lights on
the front seat or in the well. And he followed me!
I opened the door and of course no lights.

At this point he had no option but to accept my story and offer a tepid
apology on behalf of "the colleague" who might have got it
wrong. But there was still an unpleasant air of an accusation. Having
just spent £70.00 on logs and bird food, I take
exception to someone believing I was simultaneously stealing Christmas

Unfortunately, I do not know this employee's name...[edited]

My take on this situation is that perhaps...[edited]

Over the years I've been a good customer using your store in the
renovation of my garden. As recently as October I made
a purchase of £720.00 in yew hedges alone with many similar purchases
throughout the years. Last week I bought my Christmas tree and wreathes.
I would like to know I have nothing to be embarrassed about continuing
to shop in your store in the future. Again, it was the air of
suspicion that lingered with no definite apology for what was a most
unfortunate and rude event."


December 9, 2013 2:07 PM - BoerumHillScott
The system of what medical insurance and medical expenses are purchased with pre-tax or after tax dollars is completely screwed up.
Employer paid Cadillac are but one example of this, and one that generally impacts people with great ability to pay.

December 9, 2013 2:09 PM - dibs
Yes, he should send the letter. If the owner has any sense he'll send him a gift certificate (or whatever it might be called over there)
December 9, 2013 2:13 PM - dibs
Scott, the government needs to keep out of the affairs of how corporations decide to structure employee benefits. People join corporations with expectations of what the benefits are. They are an integral part of compensation. For this administration to go after them because they may be better than what others may have is ridiculous.

Using the same logic, all government emplyee packages should also be cut because they too are better than what most people have
December 9, 2013 2:24 PM - BoerumHillScott
The government is not telling employers what benefits they can offer, they are just saying how they should be taxed.

Our tax code is completely inconsistent and contradictory in many areas, including health care and retirement. I don’t see this particular inconsistency being as bad as many others.

December 9, 2013 2:27 PM - dibs
In effect they are. It's restructure them or be taxed.

The democrats have never seen a tax they didn't like and this is one more example of taxing hard working Americans and is really a slap in the face.

If this plays out the way I hope it does not, there will be a LARGE MAJORITY of Americans upset with it and upset enough to not vote Democrats in again. They really aren't thinking about the consequences or, they are underestimating them.
Edited at December 9, 2013 2:29 PM
December 9, 2013 2:32 PM - Deleted

Would it not have been much more effective for the ACA to equalize the tax discrepancy between employer-provided insurance and those that must be purchased by an individual? Either make them both pre-tax or post-tax.

Edited at December 9, 2013 2:32 PM
December 9, 2013 2:33 PM - BoerumHillScott
For three years, I could not fully contribute to my 401K, because I was a “highly compensated employee.” This was under Bush 2, and I don’t recall any great outcry over this.

I doubt any many “hard working Americans” get Cadillac plans. They seem to be mostly used for already highly paid workers.

Personally, I think either all health insurance should be after tax, or none should be.

I am not going to get upset that rich people have start paying tax on their top-notch plans, while people without employee coverage (or with poor coverage) have been paying with after-tax money all along.

December 9, 2013 2:35 PM - BoerumHillScott
Benson, that is exactly what I think.
I hate our tax code, and ACA certainly made it worse.

December 9, 2013 2:39 PM - dibs
"I doubt any many “hard working Americans” get Cadillac plans. They seem to be mostly used for already highly paid workers."

Not true. Health care packages are typically the same for everyone in the firm who is full time. There may be certain additions for executives like stress tests, etc but the basic plan is typically linear.

I cannot remember a year where I could not contribute to my 401 k. When was this? Maybe it was after I left B of A in 2007 and I was no longer "highly compensated."
Edited at December 9, 2013 2:39 PM
December 9, 2013 2:40 PM - dibs
I am now against a flat tax because it would likely be a higher rate than wehat I will be paying going forward, at least for the remaining years I have mortgage interest deductions.
December 9, 2013 2:44 PM - BoerumHillScott
I was a “highly compensated” employee from 2006-2008, at the previous company I worked for. Although my income was much less than it is now, because the company had a low average salary and low 401K participation, my contributions were capped at 4%.
December 9, 2013 2:48 PM - Deleted
Procedure went well. Heart is beating in rhythm again.

As for insurance, thanks for the math. I'm so fucked, this is gonna cost me that out of pocket max easily. So much for christmas presents and stuff. Its really insane, i am luck to have savings and this sucks but won't bankrupt me but for a lot of people 18k is just crazy. What pisses me off the most is that I have been paying $350/month for this insurance since like 2007 and never used it and i still have to pay out my ass. I understand that is how it works but what a rotten system. Just talked to my sister who lives in Germany, she was floored. She's has 2 kids there and other hospital stays and has never once seen any bill.
December 9, 2013 2:53 PM - BoerumHillScott
I'm very glad the prodedure went well.

December 9, 2013 2:53 PM - dibs
Oh, so it is sort of "company dependent." That's very odd.
December 9, 2013 2:57 PM - pepper
Glad the procedure went well, randi. What makes you think the bill will be so high that you'll have to pay the full out of pocket? Have they given you some preliminary estimates already?
December 9, 2013 2:57 PM - dibs
That sucks, randi.

In looking at the ACA, I have not seen mention of additional "out of pocket expenses" beyond the deductible but I bet they are embedded.

Benson….did you see these when you were looking?????

If they are there, it makes no sense for X to get the insurance. As it is, the expense plus the deductible are far more than anything he spends.

Yes, I know…it's insurance for what you don't expect to happen. But he has no health issues. I suspect if he has a serious one he's go back to China and get treated there. He was, afterall an MD there.
Edited at December 9, 2013 3:01 PM
December 9, 2013 2:59 PM - Partridge
So glad the procedure went well, Randi! And yes, an 18K out of pocket maximum is pretty whack but $350 p/m is very low.
December 9, 2013 3:01 PM - Deleted

The out-of-pocket limit is clearly shown for each insurance option in Obamacare. I think you must have just missed it.
December 9, 2013 3:01 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Read the reviews:
December 9, 2013 3:04 PM - Deleted
"So glad the procedure went well, Randi! And yes, an 18K out of pocket maximum is pretty whack but $350 p/m is very low."

Randi - Partridge makes an excellent point there. If you had purchased regular individual insurance, it would have cost you something on the order of $1100/month (speaking from experience). So, you were saving about $750/month with your policy-$9000/year. That was the upside. Now you've seen the downside. Given that you've had this insurance for 6 years, you've still come out ahead.
December 9, 2013 3:07 PM - Partridge
Empire Silver Guided Access w/HSA - cdib
Monthly Premium
$417 57
Quality Rating
Medical Deductible - / - Drug Deductible - / - Combined Deductible $1,100 / $2,200
Maximum Out of Pocket $1,100 / $2,200 Out-of-Network Coverage No HSA Eligible Yes

All very clear on the plan I am signing up for. Maximum out of pocket is the deductible of $1,100.
December 9, 2013 3:07 PM - Deleted
The room alone is like $2000 a night, all the blood work and pills and then the procedures, cardiologists, etc etc shit adds up!fast.
December 9, 2013 3:08 PM - dibs
I will check. Were total out of pocket numbers higher than the deductible shown on the table of offerings? I never went into any specific plan links.
December 9, 2013 3:09 PM - Deleted
I won't qualify for any subsidized plans.
December 9, 2013 3:09 PM - dibs
Part, yes, that's what I thought was the case but wasn't sure and too lazy to get his login to look again. Thx.
December 9, 2013 3:13 PM - dibs
randi…can you get any of your income moved to next year? Those expenses would be deductible but I'm not sure what the numbers are for medical deductions. I think they have to be a pretty high % of income.
December 9, 2013 3:15 PM - dibs
"The rules are changing if you plan to itemize medical deductions on your 2013 federal tax return that you will file in 2014. It does not affect income tax returns for the 2012 taxable year filed in 2013.
Beginning Jan. 1, 2013, you can claim deductions for medical expenses not covered by your health insurance that exceed 10 percent of your adjusted gross income. This change affects your 2013 tax return that you will file in 2014."
December 9, 2013 3:18 PM - Partridge
Randi, I think these plans are open to ALL. Benson, am I right? The low-income subsidies are on an individual basis but the plans are pretty reasonable in general.
December 9, 2013 3:18 PM - ilovestoops
interesting/entertaining sites (from MUG):
80 most powerful pix of 2013:

fiction contest - worst sentences:

most ridiculous luxury items:

popular science best of what's new:

employer contributions to insurance premiums should definitely be taxed.

randi: glad you're ok now!
December 9, 2013 3:19 PM - dibs
The threshold last year was 7.5%.

December 9, 2013 3:20 PM - dibs
"employer contributions to insurance premiums should definitely be taxed."

They are to a certain extent.

This is NOT what I am talking about.
December 9, 2013 3:24 PM - Deleted
"Randi, I think these plans are open to ALL. Benson, am I right? "

December 9, 2013 3:30 PM - Deleted

One thing I would advise you: after you narrow down your choice to a few insurance plans, check out their network of doctors. As I talked about ad nausea, a lot of plans have a very limited network. I found that it's best to go to the insurance company's own website to check it out. The health-exchange website did not always have accurate info regarding provider networks.
December 9, 2013 3:36 PM - ilovestoops
I think one pic from the bldg benson is working on is here. these are great!

top architecture posts on tumblr:
Edited at December 9, 2013 3:36 PM
December 9, 2013 3:47 PM - Deleted
I think I'll switch to my wife's company plan. It's probably one of those Cadillac plans. I couldn't get on it before but now that she's a partner I think she can pull some strings.
December 9, 2013 3:56 PM - pepper
Are you home now, randi?
December 9, 2013 3:59 PM - dibs
Tomorrow I have to do a spreadsheet to determine the federal tax calculations for remaining single, married filing jointly and married filing separately. I'm not liking the first glance at the ramifications for being married.
December 9, 2013 4:01 PM - Deleted
No I'm in the process of being discharged. My cousin has to come, they won't let me leave alone since I had anesthesia today.
Edited at December 9, 2013 4:01 PM
December 9, 2013 4:02 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Chinese guy commits suicide after girlfriend refuses to stop Christmas shopping...

"Having been inside the mall for five hours, Tao had reached his limit, and reportedly insisted that they leave immediately.

"He told her she already had enough shoes, more shoes that she could wear in a lifetime and it was pointless buying any more," an eyewitness was quoted as saying. "She started shouting at him accusing him of being a skinflint and of spoiling Christmas, it was a really heated argument."

Surveillance footage shows Tao angrily hurling the shopping bags and jumping over the railing onto the cosmetics section below."
Edited at December 9, 2013 4:02 PM
December 9, 2013 4:02 PM - Deleted
"I'm not liking the first glance at the ramifications for being married."

dibs, always the romantic.
December 9, 2013 4:07 PM - dibs
"Having been inside the mall for five hours"

Another unforseen consequence of being married. He should have known better than to go with her.
Edited at December 9, 2013 4:07 PM
December 9, 2013 4:10 PM - BoerumHillScott
Married jointly is good if there is a big difference in incomes, but you hit the “marriage penalty” if both people make in the same ball park.

Married filing separately is horrible in just about every scenario.

December 9, 2013 4:11 PM - dibs

December 9, 2013 4:14 PM - Deleted
I think two hours in a mall would be my limit.
December 9, 2013 4:20 PM - pepper
It's been a long couple of days for you.
December 9, 2013 4:22 PM - dibs
Where's DCB????

Did you buy any NUGT???? +7.5% today
December 9, 2013 4:34 PM - dibs
Here's a story about how the best hospitals are poorly represented in Obamacare or not at all….
December 9, 2013 4:36 PM - Deleted
Dcb sympathy blogicided with Robert??? And cgar and arkady? They've all been absent today.
December 9, 2013 4:37 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
im sick of the shit im getting so im going to say this so u can all have ur fucking 'explanation.'

if folks pitch a hissy fit and blogacide cuz they disagree, boo motherfuckin hoo. i dont give a fuck what anyone else thought of it other than scott. he saw no reason to undo what i did so thats that. and as far as cgar packing his toys, he had admin rights too and couldve reinstated rob when i announced that i HONORED ROBS TEXT and blocked him. so, u miss rob? wanna chat with him? then get the fuck outta my face and CALL HIM.
December 9, 2013 4:42 PM - Deleted
December 9, 2013 4:43 PM - pepper
I may be incredibly dense, but I'm not getting the drama.

Rob asked to be removed. His request was granted. If he changes his mind and wants to come back, all he has to do is ask. He wasn't banned.... What is there to protest?
December 9, 2013 4:45 PM - dibs
WTF is H.A.M.???
December 9, 2013 4:47 PM - dibs
Is there a list somewhere of other things we can't discuss or talk about???
December 9, 2013 4:49 PM - Deleted
arguments about rob are never ACTUALLY about rob.
December 9, 2013 4:55 PM - dibs
Edited at December 9, 2013 4:55 PM
December 9, 2013 4:58 PM - Partridge
Protesting a voluntary action. lol. Makes me seriously consider protesting until Legion and Dona return. lol, lol, lol.
December 9, 2013 4:58 PM - pepper
You mean kind of like the unmentionables list that CGar keeps on you, dibs?
Edited at December 9, 2013 4:58 PM
December 9, 2013 5:00 PM - dibs
Sort of but not really.
December 9, 2013 5:01 PM - dibs
Snow all morning tomorrow.
December 9, 2013 5:03 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Snappy lays down the law ftw

For your information, Dave...

December 9, 2013 5:04 PM - Deleted
Does anyone know why Rob suddenly asked to exit the scene? It seemed to come out of nowhere.
Edited at December 9, 2013 5:04 PM
December 9, 2013 5:05 PM - Deleted
It wasn't really out of the blue.
Edited at December 9, 2013 5:05 PM
December 9, 2013 5:06 PM - Deleted
Was there something going on behind the scenes (either in his life, or in his interactions with others here)?
December 9, 2013 5:07 PM - dibs
Well, the thing is, he wants to blogicide all the time and then rarely follows through on it.

If he didn't want to post he can just not post.

The added drama of requesting his login be removed was just that, drama.

And then of course came the pile on.
Edited at December 9, 2013 5:07 PM
December 9, 2013 5:10 PM - Deleted
some of us talk to each other off the blog

my "rob's fine" was just to let you know he's not having some sort of melt down and to not be worried.

why does everything rob related need to go through some tribal council?
December 9, 2013 5:18 PM - dibs
Port Authority issues Shoot To Kill order for snowy owls around JFK.
Edited at December 9, 2013 5:19 PM
December 9, 2013 5:19 PM - pepper
What did the snowy owl do to deserve that?
December 9, 2013 5:20 PM - Deleted
too much hootin and hollerin?
December 9, 2013 5:22 PM - dibs
One flew into the engne of a plane on the tarmac. There was no mention of what damage occurred.

I may be wrong but I don't think owls are generally high fliers at all and wouldn't affect a plane in the air. They are also much smaller than geese.
December 9, 2013 5:24 PM - Partridge
Damn I want the soup that Dave posted and Cobble made over the weekend. Off to shop for ingredients.
December 9, 2013 5:25 PM - dibs
Bigger than I thought…

"This yellow-eyed, black-beaked white bird is easily recognizable. It is 52–71 cm (20–28 in) long, with a 125–150 cm (49–59 in) wingspan. Also, these birds can weigh anywhere from 1.6 to 3 kg (3.5 to 6.6 lb).[3] It is one of the largest species of owl and, in North America, is on average the heaviest owl species."
December 9, 2013 5:25 PM - dibs
Part…I think potatoes are a good substitution for the butternut squash, as Cobble did.
December 9, 2013 5:27 PM - dibs
The guy who fell asleep and got locked in the empty airplane has a mullet
Edited at December 9, 2013 5:27 PM
December 9, 2013 5:29 PM - Partridge
OK. Crossed off squash, added potatoes.
December 9, 2013 5:31 PM - dibs
Peeling butternut squash is a PITA. Red skin potatoes or yukon golds can just be added with the skins on.
December 9, 2013 5:33 PM - pepper
He's from Louisiana.
December 9, 2013 5:33 PM - Partridge
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December 9, 2013 5:35 PM - DeLepp
Can't believe that guy with mullet is still a story.
Edited at December 9, 2013 5:35 PM
December 9, 2013 5:44 PM - pepper
I think he's milking it...
December 9, 2013 5:51 PM - dibs
2-4" of snow here tomorrow.
December 9, 2013 6:10 PM - BoerumHillScott
The Treasury sold the last of the government's GM stake, for a total loss of $10 billion.
I was against the bailout at the time, but overall it was probably a net win for the federal government, considering the disruption a full bankruptcy would have cost.
I still think the better option would have been some sort of structured bankruptcy with the government providing interim financing.
December 9, 2013 6:22 PM - pepper
Isn't that what kind of happened, Scott? They filed a Chapter 11 reorg, and the gov't provided $50 bio in interim financing...
December 9, 2013 6:27 PM - sixyearsandcounting
File this in the "no surprise" category:
Edited at December 9, 2013 6:27 PM
December 9, 2013 6:28 PM - dibs
There were many reasons that made it a correct decision to support GM. Among them…

"A Center for Automotive Research (CAR) study reported that in just a single year, 2010, the automotive industry generated $91.5 billion in state and local tax revenue and $43 billion in federal tax revenue in the United States."
December 9, 2013 6:29 PM - dibs
"Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who hailed Mandela as "a freedom fighter who rejected violence", will not attend Tuesday's ceremony in Johannesburg due to the costs of travel and security, aides said."

Cough BULLSHIT Cough Cough
December 9, 2013 6:30 PM - pepper
and this:

"A total automobile-industry shutdown from a liquidation of GM and Chrysler would have cut 2.63 million jobs from the U.S. economy in 2009, according to a study released today by the Center for Automotive Research. The bailout saved or avoided the loss of $105 billion in transfer payments and the loss of personal and social insurance tax collection in 2009 and 2010, according to CAR"
December 9, 2013 6:42 PM - Deleted
December 9, 2013 6:45 PM - dibs
Go drink something, dh
December 9, 2013 6:46 PM - Deleted
I've been watching a lot of stuff on Mandella.

I understood his significance - but wasn't aware how crazy his life was and how he was divisive here politically

(Seemed repubs didn't like him because many corps had heavy investments in South Africa and his rabble rousing jeopardized them)
December 9, 2013 6:54 PM - Deleted
Do the markets generally do better during wartime? Is that like a thing?

(Just a random question)
December 9, 2013 6:56 PM - dibs
I don't know. Certainly not when it's a Middle East issue since the price of oil usually rises.
December 9, 2013 7:05 PM - Deleted
Do you think any president has ever made a foreign policy decision based on how it would affect out financial markets? Do you think that's appropriate? (I'm not trolling Gwb either)
December 9, 2013 7:06 PM - Deleted
By foreign policy I mean like military stuff. And maybe humanitarian
December 9, 2013 7:06 PM - dibs
Don't know. I think it can be appropriate. Global financial markets are so inextricably linked nowadays too.
December 9, 2013 7:08 PM - Deleted
Sorry I'm in a ponderous mood
December 9, 2013 7:09 PM - Deleted
What about FDR and WWII. Someone had to have mentioned "oh yeah, this will help get us out of the Depression"
December 9, 2013 7:15 PM - sixyearsandcounting
The American right wing was opposed to the ANC because Mandela worked with the Communist Party (because they were the first to come out for racial equality in South Africa) and the apartheid regime was hard-core anti-Communist. Not coincidentally, once the Cold War ended, the regime threw in the towel.
December 9, 2013 7:16 PM - BoerumHillScott
Yes, GM was eventually a Chapter 11 with government interim financing, but months after the government tried to prop them up by other means.
They should have done the refinancing right out.

If the government had not stepped in, things would have been bad, but nowhere near the levels of the doomsday scenarios. The bondholders would have stepped in and kept enough of the company running.
December 9, 2013 7:18 PM - etson
I was in high school when Mandela was released. As I recall (maybe inaccurately) he only became such a great unifier during the process by which apartheid was ended and he became president. Obviously there was not much he could do from prison & I recall seeing stuff that he was (understandably perhaps) more radical before he was jailed. I recall him being more of a symbol of resistance to apartheid than a hero for his personal qualities as well before around say 1992 or so.
December 9, 2013 7:19 PM - ilovestoops
dh: not directly related to question on financial markets, but after WWII, Eisenhower warned of the increasing influence of the military-industrial complex and those concerns continue today with industries supplying the military and some military pushing for spending on some things that many experts do not think are necessary and which are a large contribution to our spending problems
December 9, 2013 7:21 PM - etson
Re foreign policy and oil. George Bush Sr persuaded the Saudis to restrict oil production again after they flooded the market l & prices crashed in 1986:
December 9, 2013 7:26 PM - dibs
Any idea which American President, though born in the US, spoke English as his second language?

Final Jeopardy
December 9, 2013 7:26 PM - dibs
Martin Van Buren who grew up in the Dutch community of Kinderhook, NY
December 9, 2013 7:27 PM - Partridge
Just back from drive to Dyker for shopping. Better get chopping now.
December 9, 2013 7:28 PM - Deleted
I knew that. I'm actually obsessed with Martin Van Buren
December 9, 2013 7:29 PM - Deleted
No homo
December 9, 2013 7:33 PM - sixyearsandcounting
He was the last sitting VP to be elected President until George HW Bush.
December 9, 2013 7:35 PM - Deleted
Just refreshed my memory on wiki

He said fuck no for annexing Texas. Smart man
December 9, 2013 7:35 PM - Partridge
Cocktails, friends?

Edited at December 9, 2013 7:35 PM
December 9, 2013 7:37 PM - Deleted
I'm home!

December 9, 2013 7:38 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
cocktails? me, please! i had a great apple pear martini this weekend. fabulous. wouldn't mind another.
Edited at December 9, 2013 7:37 PM
December 9, 2013 7:41 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
congrats, randi! how ya feelin'?
December 9, 2013 7:41 PM - Partridge
Here ya go! Just please don't tell me that I made it wrong or you wanted it on the rocks. Please! Tell me it is delicious.
December 9, 2013 7:43 PM - Deleted
Lol. 2 drinks. No more. DASSIT
December 9, 2013 7:43 PM - Deleted
(Oh those weren't for randi?)
December 9, 2013 7:43 PM - Partridge
Shirley T for you, Rand. Cheers!
December 9, 2013 7:43 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
no rocks needed! nom :-)
December 9, 2013 7:44 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
wait, do people actually drink martinis on the rocks? i don't know that i've ever seen/heard of that before.
December 9, 2013 7:45 PM - Partridge
for you, DH. Packs a wallop.
December 9, 2013 7:45 PM - Deleted
I'm not gonna get all cocktail nerdy right now.
December 9, 2013 7:46 PM - Partridge
Cobs should be by soon and thirsty, I'm sure.
December 9, 2013 7:47 PM - Partridge
Dave, Etson, Six?
Edited at December 9, 2013 7:47 PM
December 9, 2013 7:48 PM - Deleted
Oooh what does Aquavit taste like? I've had it as a component in drinks but never solo
Edited at December 9, 2013 7:48 PM
December 9, 2013 7:49 PM - Partridge
Something flaming, perhaps?
December 9, 2013 7:49 PM - Partridge
Like fire water.
December 9, 2013 7:50 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
whoa. heartburn thinking about it.
December 9, 2013 7:50 PM - Partridge
stoops, you still around?
December 9, 2013 7:52 PM - dibs
A martini would never be served on the rocks
Edited at December 9, 2013 7:52 PM
December 9, 2013 7:54 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
i didn't think so. but hey, i put ice and water in wine so...
December 9, 2013 7:55 PM - etson
A Manhattan... my future home... (& respecting benson's impeccable taste in most things..)

Keep wondering if I'll miss anything about up here. So far: nope.
December 9, 2013 7:57 PM - Deleted
But anything besides gin/vodka and sweet vermouth isn't really a martini.

Any delicious concoction served up in a martini glass could be served on the rocks.
December 9, 2013 7:57 PM - Deleted
(Sorry. Nerd out)
December 9, 2013 7:58 PM - dibs
Yes, all those other ridiculous fruity things are not martinis
December 9, 2013 7:58 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
while sipping (ok, gulping) said martini, i had a feeling delepp would say it was'nt a real martini. ha! but it was damn good. also had lemonade with raspberry stoli in it. NOM.
December 9, 2013 8:01 PM - Deleted
Hah remember when u me and cgar got all really high and had those ridiculous sweet drinks at the blue ribbon in bk bowl?
December 9, 2013 8:02 PM - Partridge
For you Mr Manhattan...
December 9, 2013 8:02 PM - pepper
dry vermouth, maybe dh?
December 9, 2013 8:03 PM - Partridge
Pancetta smells amazing while browning.
December 9, 2013 8:03 PM - Deleted
Oh yeah. Dry. Derp
Edited at December 9, 2013 8:03 PM
December 9, 2013 8:04 PM - Deleted
I'm drinking a negroni so have sweet vermouth on the brain
Edited at December 9, 2013 8:04 PM
December 9, 2013 8:05 PM - Partridge
for Dave...

December 9, 2013 8:05 PM - pepper
Some would argue even vodka does not a true martini make...
Edited at December 9, 2013 8:05 PM
December 9, 2013 8:05 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
oh shit yeah! and i proceeded to snort/giggle my way through willyb. cripes i was wasted.
December 9, 2013 8:06 PM - pepper
red wine for me, as usual...
December 9, 2013 8:06 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
is that a banana peel on the glass????
December 9, 2013 8:07 PM - pepper
I think dibs would prefer the banana...
December 9, 2013 8:07 PM - Deleted
Lemon peel. Done like a BOSS
December 9, 2013 8:08 PM - BirdnestHead
Yow! The idea is funny enough, but the comments....

Long live Satan?

And the original news item from Tulsa...
Edited at December 9, 2013 8:08 PM
December 9, 2013 8:08 PM - Deleted
Might be orange.
December 9, 2013 8:08 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
December 9, 2013 8:11 PM - sixyearsandcounting
I'm trying to cut down, Part.

Welcome home, randi!
December 9, 2013 8:15 PM - dibs
I've never put a lemon peel in my Averna
December 9, 2013 8:16 PM - rf
I'll take my usual white wine please.
Edited at December 9, 2013 8:16 PM
December 9, 2013 8:17 PM - BoerumHillScott
I don't even consider Vodka to be a proper Martini ingredient. Has to be Gin.
Edited at December 9, 2013 8:17 PM
December 9, 2013 8:19 PM - Deleted
It's more about getting the oils from the lemon peel around the rim of the glass so you smell it as you sip. - I never drop it in
December 9, 2013 8:19 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
i'm pretty sure mine was made with vodka, plus all the other offending flavors :-) gin hurts me.
December 9, 2013 8:20 PM - Deleted
(Hence it being served across the glass)
Edited at December 9, 2013 8:19 PM
December 9, 2013 8:20 PM - Partridge
miss pepper...

December 9, 2013 8:22 PM - Partridge
miss rf....
Edited at December 9, 2013 8:22 PM
December 9, 2013 8:23 PM - Partridge
keep us and randi company, six...
December 9, 2013 8:23 PM - pepper
December 9, 2013 8:23 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
"Damn I want the soup that Dave posted and Cobble made over the weekend. Off to shop for ingredients."

It was damn good, with potatoes! I used the little white potatoes with the skin. I added the wine early with the stock. We did use the basil pesto, and it adds a lovely flavor, and you can freeze what you don't use. It makes a lot of soup, so you can freeze some for those cold nights when you don't want to cook.

December 9, 2013 8:24 PM - Deleted
Lol @ Shirley temple.

Don't dudes drink Roy Rogers? Or rob Roy's? (I think that's a real drink tho$
December 9, 2013 8:24 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
****Welcome Home, randi!****

December 9, 2013 8:24 PM - Partridge
oh, scott arrived...
Edited at December 9, 2013 8:24 PM
December 9, 2013 8:25 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I'll take my usual cheap swill please.
December 9, 2013 8:26 PM - Partridge
chopping, stirring, making drinks. chopping, stirring, making drinks. chopping, stirring, making drinks. chopping, stirring, making drinks. chopping, stirring, making drinks.
December 9, 2013 8:28 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
this cooking dinner thing is getting in the way of your true priorities...serving up drinkies!
Edited at December 9, 2013 8:28 PM
December 9, 2013 8:32 PM - rf
Thanks, Bartender! I really needed that!
December 9, 2013 8:34 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
alright. i'm out. gotta shower up and go wear out the cat so he doesn't run all over the place while i try to sleep tonight (damn furball). thanks for the drinkies bartender!

nitey nite. sweet dreams to you all :-)
December 9, 2013 8:36 PM - Partridge
jeez. it was sitting on the bar for so long that the ice melted. here is a fresh one, Cobs.
December 9, 2013 8:44 PM - Deleted
December 9, 2013 8:44 PM - BoerumHillScott
Our Christmas tree now has lights, a somewhat tacky mixture of traditional white and LED colored one.
It will not win any awards, but my son is happy.
December 9, 2013 8:45 PM - BoerumHillScott
And soon I am off to RowerChick's parents place to watch an HBO special on Stephen Sondheim (self awarded GOTD)
December 9, 2013 8:46 PM - Deleted
Oh damn.
December 9, 2013 8:47 PM - Partridge
black pepper, thyme, bay leaf.
December 9, 2013 9:11 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Thanks for the fresh one, LP!

Once the chopping is over, you're more than half done.
December 9, 2013 9:17 PM - More4Less
Looks likely i cant drop by Monday gathering. Need to drop it off to snaps over the weekend.
December 9, 2013 9:18 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
***Take-out Review***

We ordered from Curry Heights this evening. CGar was right, it is the best of the 3 locals. The green sauce is fresh, bright, and packs just enough kick. The samosas aren't tough, and have great flavor, though I consider them mostly a delivery vehicle for the green sauce. ; ) The aloo motor gobi was great. Nice tomato-y sauce, fresh cauliflower, firm potatoes and peas with 'pop'. Chicken saag curry was so good, BnH ate the whole pint. The rice was fresh and nicely flavored, and the naan had the right amount of 'chew' and 'char'. The end.
Edited at December 9, 2013 9:20 PM
December 9, 2013 9:18 PM - More4Less
Was that apple martini without apple slices
December 9, 2013 9:18 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Monday? I thought it was Tuesday, no?
December 9, 2013 9:22 PM - pepper
Yes, it's Tuesday the 17th....
Edited at December 9, 2013 9:22 PM
December 9, 2013 9:24 PM - More4Less
The rest of the month is shit for me as far as after availabilities
December 9, 2013 9:28 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Why, M4L?
December 9, 2013 9:29 PM - More4Less
Lots of work plus prior commitments
December 9, 2013 9:33 PM - ilovestoops
scott & cobble (for BnH): do you use disconnect 2 & disconnect search? they sound great but I'd like to hear from someone I trust that they're good products
December 9, 2013 9:33 PM - Partridge
Soup still cooking. Made a piece of fish for tonight.

Store had no ready made pesto. Italian hood. Why would they? So I'm choppin' garlic and basil. No little food processor. Just an incredible one that is still in original box.
December 9, 2013 9:33 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Ah. That's too bad. So Tuesday's a no-go? You're really going to forego brownies??
December 9, 2013 9:36 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
The garlic and basil will be fine. BnH got a container of pesto at Paisano's with the pancetta.
December 9, 2013 9:38 PM - Partridge
I saw BH's list. He is a fine shopper, that BH!
December 9, 2013 9:38 PM - rf
Trader Joe's has surprisingly good pesto.
December 9, 2013 9:41 PM - BirdnestHead
Stoops, never heard of it, but a quick google sounds interesting. I'll check it out and let you know what I think...
December 9, 2013 9:50 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Birdie, though I love him more than life itself, and more each passing day, is a terrible shopper, unless it involves shopping for electronics, in which case, he's superb. This is why I provide detailed lists with store instructions. Usually no more than two stores at a time, though this last weekend's Smith St stroll required 3 stops. Stopping to deliver a latte is a 'freelance' stop he added on, making a grand total of 4 stops. He's a busy guy.
Edited at December 9, 2013 9:55 PM
December 9, 2013 9:55 PM - BirdnestHead
Just installed the Disconnect 2 Firefox extension on my little linux netbook. So far, it seems ok, but I'm not visiting sites that do a lot of tracking. Maybe I'll surf to Amazon or something...
December 9, 2013 9:56 PM - rf
The only time I ever set foot in Brooklyn's Trader Joe's is on a weekday before 8:30 a.m. In and out (nh) in 15 minutes or less.
December 9, 2013 10:02 PM - Partridge
Yep, it is good soup!

Mashed the basil and garlic, olive oil and cheese using the back of a spoon. Sorta worked.
Edited at December 9, 2013 10:02 PM
December 9, 2013 10:03 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
And weekdays for Sahadi, rf. Otherwise, even with the expansion, it's a house of pain.
December 9, 2013 10:04 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Perfect. Close enough for soup!
December 9, 2013 10:08 PM - Partridge
Yum! Really nice. Highly recommend it with Cobble's potato variation.
December 9, 2013 10:10 PM - ilovestoops
BnH: thanks! I always worry about downloading something I'm not familiar with. It says it speeds up the web as well so curious to see if you notice that.

soup sounds delish, lp!
December 9, 2013 10:12 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Another convert!
December 9, 2013 10:17 PM - BirdnestHead
No prob Stoops. It doesn't speed up the web per se, but it allows your browser to work a bit faster because it's not responding to tracking requests and subsequently has less data to transfer, allowing the web page itself to render faster.

Did that make sense?
December 9, 2013 10:19 PM - Partridge
I nuked my pesto mix on a low power for a couple of minutes to get the bite out of the garlic. Planning to bring the soup for lunches this week and don't want to 'offend' anyone.

lol @ BH being a bad shopper. It doesn't show! His list was precious.
Edited at December 9, 2013 10:19 PM
December 9, 2013 10:19 PM - ilovestoops
is lissa around? I looked at the ratatouille recipe and then looked up Hannah's bruschetta - is that like spiced stewed tomatoes? sounds like it would be good on lots of stuff.
December 9, 2013 10:21 PM - ilovestoops
sure, it's doing fewer tasks so can do the one I want it to, faster
December 9, 2013 10:22 PM - ilovestoops
I mean, I know it's not really "faster" loading just doing fewer other things so it can pay attention to getting the page loaded
December 9, 2013 10:23 PM - ilovestoops
sorry, cobble, did I interrupt you?
December 9, 2013 10:23 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Good call on the nuking. I'll be taking a leftover bit for lunch one day this week.

Snort, thanks, I scribble ok. : P
December 9, 2013 10:24 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Lol, what? Interrupt my plathering? Not in the least, stoops. : )
December 9, 2013 10:24 PM - BirdnestHead

And the whole "not getting tracked" thing is nice too.
December 9, 2013 10:33 PM - ilovestoops
you had a blank post earlier, I think before my 10:22, so I thought I might have interrupted you. the post is magically gone now.
December 9, 2013 10:36 PM - ilovestoops
BnH: I don't really go to any sites that I'm ashamed of people seeing (except for a few links from the OT that I shouldn't have clicked on!), but it bugs me to be tracked. I frequently empty cache and delete cookies just on general principle. I think many of those of us who are older have a stronger sense of privacy than younger folks.
December 9, 2013 10:39 PM - Deleted
HI NSA!! **waves**
December 9, 2013 10:44 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Snort! Yes, I think you're right re: privacy. We remember 'before', younger people have no idea how 'untracked' we all used to be. I remember being about 27, and my sib who worked for the Evil Empire, told me privacy was dead. I was shocked to the core, as he explained why.
Edited at December 9, 2013 10:44 PM
December 9, 2013 10:46 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
The blank was reposted at 10:24. I don't expect to have the floor here, stoops. I'm just plathering and relaxing.
December 9, 2013 10:47 PM - BirdnestHead
Not so much tracking which sites you visit, more like 3rd party marketing companies tracking what stuff you look at on shopping sites so can hit you with targeted pop-up ads later, or checking "unique visitors" for setting advertising rates, insidious stuff like that...
December 9, 2013 10:49 PM - Partridge
Cost: $25.00 Soup rendered 9 pints. Each pint a complete meal. Meat, starch, beans, loads of veggies.
December 9, 2013 10:51 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Gak. I hate all that crap, but only have so much energy to resist. I used to be fanatical about clearing cache and cookies, dumping history, defragging my hard drive. Now I only do it if something isn't working correctly aka almost never.
December 9, 2013 10:55 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
25/9 is a great deal for lunch. And healthy!

Speaking of which, I never added that TABLEspoon of salt! Cripes! Seemed like a lot to me and BnH taste tested and said it didn't need it. I used some Better than Bouillion with water in place of some stock. I think that and the pancetta(?) added enough salt.
December 9, 2013 10:58 PM - Partridge
Yep, I added a little salt. But between the pancetta, the canned beans, Parmesan in the pesto and the celery, there is plenty. I used boxed chicken broth with NO sodium.
December 9, 2013 11:02 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
It was prolly the Better than Bouillion that provided the extra salt then. Though I can't remember if the stock was low or no sodium. In any case, salt to taste, people!
December 9, 2013 11:06 PM - Partridge
Day is done, is it not? Adieu, adieu, adieu.
December 9, 2013 11:08 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Are you still carrying those little frameless lucite block picture frames?
Edited at December 9, 2013 11:08 PM
December 9, 2013 11:09 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Si, a little WWF, and then sleep, I think.
December 9, 2013 11:16 PM - Deleted
December 9, 2013 11:21 PM - Partridge
Nope. Not this season. Have tiny silver frame ones.

World Wrestling Federation, again? But you appear so meek.
December 9, 2013 11:26 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Ah well, I'll find them.

Yes, my secret vice...wrestling! ; ) Not! I'm ahead in a game with one PLUSA and behind in a game with another.
December 9, 2013 11:27 PM - ilovestoops
BnH: I find it so creepy after I've looked up some stuff, to be surfing and have related ads clearly based on what I've just searched, appear on other sites. If I thought it would help me be more efficient in my shopping or whatever, I might not mind so much, but they are never helpful.
Edited at December 9, 2013 11:27 PM
December 9, 2013 11:34 PM - pepper
Yeah, I'm getting creamed (nh) in this one...
December 9, 2013 11:41 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
A very rare moment for me! But I never count my chickens with you.
December 9, 2013 11:43 PM - pepper
vowels, vowels, everywhere! And, even though I know it's legit, I hate swapping; almost never do it...
Edited at December 9, 2013 11:43 PM
December 9, 2013 11:44 PM - pepper
btw, the other PLUSA has me over a barrel as well... ***sigh***