Tuesday Open Thread
December 18, 2012 12:09 AM - CGar
(nh)

311 comments
December 18, 2012 12:22 AM - CGar
CCOTD . . . for Six . . .

"We Three Kings" - Patti Smith
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=777HmzCnW1c

"We Three Kings" - Building 429
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CukWqUZdmQw
Edited at December 18, 2012 12:23 AM
#1
December 18, 2012 12:27 AM - CGar
Aloha, Daniel Inouye (D) . . . How could you NOT have liked him?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/18/us-usa-congress-inouye-idUSBRE8BG19420121218
Edited at December 18, 2012 12:33 AM
#2
December 18, 2012 12:30 AM - More4Less
Wow, those are some big ones right there
Edited at December 18, 2012 12:29 AM
#3
December 18, 2012 12:37 AM - CGar
^^^ GOTD with . . .
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#4
December 18, 2012 1:52 AM - MontroseMorris
"Aloha, Daniel Inouye (D) . . . How could you NOT have liked him?"

Agreed, he was a great man.
Edited at December 18, 2012 1:52 AM
#5
December 18, 2012 7:09 AM - Arkady
The pix of the day are like our own Advent Calendar! Really neat!
Edited at December 18, 2012 7:09 AM
#6
December 18, 2012 7:58 AM - dibs
Pics of Inouye when he was young looked pretty hot.

You know he was third in line for the presidency, right?

GM
Edited at December 18, 2012 7:58 AM
#7
December 18, 2012 8:05 AM - dibs
Obama moved to tax hikes on those only over $400k
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#8
December 18, 2012 8:09 AM - dibs
Meredith Whitney speaking on CNBC at 3:00 today. Please, oh please give me another buying opportunity like your wrong call on munis two years ago.
Edited at December 18, 2012 8:09 AM
#9
December 18, 2012 8:33 AM - rf
So once again you were wrong to say that Obama was being pigheaded by refusing to compromise. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!
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#10
December 18, 2012 8:34 AM - rf
Did you send in your NRA membership? They appear to have disappeared from the public eye--hope they didn't run away with your money!
Edited at December 18, 2012 8:34 AM
#11
December 18, 2012 8:35 AM - rf
R train tunnel opening on Friday.
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#12
December 18, 2012 8:35 AM - petebklyn
I saw the decorations in today's pics last night - lit of course. The decorations were lit not me.
Billy Ray Cyrus was really horrible in Chicago. The musical not the city. But show was good.

#13
December 18, 2012 8:39 AM - Arkady
I worked on special effects lighting on Chicago when it opened years ago - really primitive stuff: bet it's pretty spectacular now.
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#14
December 18, 2012 8:41 AM - Deleted
gm
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#15
December 18, 2012 8:47 AM - Deleted
hello!! entertain me!!
Edited at December 18, 2012 8:47 AM
#16
December 18, 2012 8:52 AM - Partridge
Boulderettes to entertain you.
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#17
December 18, 2012 8:52 AM - rf
I'm doing my best but Dave must be hoping I go away.
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#18
December 18, 2012 8:53 AM - Deleted
heyyyooo!!
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#19
December 18, 2012 8:55 AM - Deleted
where's dave to accuse obama of drowning puppies?
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#20
December 18, 2012 8:57 AM - rf
Socialist! Socialist!
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#21
December 18, 2012 8:57 AM - Partridge
more dancing girls!
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#22
December 18, 2012 8:58 AM - Deleted
NOICE! giant martini + two fly honeys = PARTY!!
Edited at December 18, 2012 8:58 AM
#23
December 18, 2012 9:02 AM - Partridge
looks a bit like Dona.
Edited at December 18, 2012 9:02 AM
#24
December 18, 2012 9:05 AM - Partridge
.
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#25
December 18, 2012 9:06 AM - Deleted
my boss rules - sent out email yesterday that he's taking off from today til 1/2. gangsta
Edited at December 18, 2012 9:06 AM
#26
December 18, 2012 9:07 AM - Partridge
And the big finale!
#27
December 18, 2012 9:07 AM - Deleted
flamingos!!
Edited at December 18, 2012 9:07 AM
#28
December 18, 2012 9:12 AM - Donatella
oh no Part, is that me getting sawed in half?

I am not going to obsess about this all day, but there is NO news about the shooting last night on Fulton Street right near me. I went out last night to get a quart of milk at around 10:30 and Fulton was cordoned off between Vanderbilt and Clinton. A person was shot 4 times, so the police told me but they wouldn't tell me any more. It isn't even in the news! The person had already been taken away and there were 10 police cars parked with officers milling around. The guy at Yafa wouldn't tell the truth about it - I suppose not wanting to further alrarm his customers - shots fired but no one hurt. NOT. I tried to calm down about it but I am still freaked out about it. What a world.
#29
December 18, 2012 9:14 AM - DeLepp
saw chicago right after it opened with folks in 1996(dh was in short pants still) and thought lighting was one of the best things about it besides bebe and mary sunshine. Was one of our better thanksgivings.
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#30
December 18, 2012 9:14 AM - dibs
I'm taking off from Thgursday until 1/2. Gangsta!!!!!!
Edited at December 18, 2012 9:14 AM
#31
December 18, 2012 9:16 AM - Deleted
damn dona - wtf?


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#32
December 18, 2012 9:19 AM - Donatella

I know, dh. I am freaked out.
#33
December 18, 2012 9:19 AM - dibs
Hopefully the police shot the shooter.
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#34
December 18, 2012 9:20 AM - Slope4Eva
I was just going to say that too, maybe police involved, keeping it quiet until investigated.
#35
December 18, 2012 9:21 AM - DeLepp
dona, reason why those places have trouble gettting a foothold over there. I avoid the clinton-washington stop even in daytime. Rather walk from lafayette.
Edited at December 18, 2012 9:21 AM
#36
December 18, 2012 9:24 AM - DeLepp
Could you get shot for not having an i-phone? Do thugs have sympathy for those who deny themselves the ultimate pleasure of spending money on apple products?
Edited at December 18, 2012 9:24 AM
#37
December 18, 2012 9:24 AM - Partridge
Dona, no! You look like the tattooed lady.

Yes, very upsetting news about the shooting near you. It would be helpful if there were some news stories about it to learn if it was targeted or random. Don't freak out, but do try to get your shopping done a bit earlier maybe.

Thanks for your support, re my shop. I'll get through the week working alone and my friend will help out next weekend. Over the years, I have developed a respect for Christmas but unfortunately have grown to hate the season. Nothing left for me once it is over. I LOVE New Year!
Edited at December 18, 2012 9:24 AM
#38
December 18, 2012 9:26 AM - Deleted
Fulton is obviously grimy but I've never felt unsafe
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#39
December 18, 2012 9:28 AM - dibs
Speaking of bodegas, the cute Mexican guy was back at the one next door to Xing's last night. he was there when we headed to the cinema to see Hitchcock (nh), which was good, both that he was there and the movie!!!
Edited at December 18, 2012 9:28 AM
#40
December 18, 2012 9:29 AM - dibs
I always got off at that stop to cross Atlantic and head up Vanderbilt. Never felt unsafe but was never there very late either.
Edited at December 18, 2012 9:28 AM
#41
December 18, 2012 9:32 AM - Deleted
the few times i've been at hanson dry late and smoking out front there doesn't seem to be too many people at all on fulton st
Edited at December 18, 2012 9:32 AM
#42
December 18, 2012 9:35 AM - dibs
"smoking out front"

Loser
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#43
December 18, 2012 9:37 AM - DeLepp
for me it's the subway stop, long station, short train and clinton exit is deserted.
#44
December 18, 2012 9:39 AM - Donatella

The popular place is Chance 11. Last night, DESPITE (or because? or related to?) of the action on the street, there was a line snaking around outside to get in. I called the 88th Precinct and they confirmed that there was a shooting but wouldn't give any information about it. I generally am wrapped by a warm blanket of denial. I never worry about being bothered, mugged, etc. I suspect this is the kind of violence that is not random, but bystanders get hit with street gunfire. I never felt unsafe there, except late at night coming home from an event or something on the subway. I vowed never to do that after midnight. Late night, the action on the Fulton street around there is like a rising of the undead.
Edited at December 18, 2012 9:38 AM
#45
December 18, 2012 9:45 AM - dibs
Dona, I suspect it'll eventually make its way into the news.
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#46
December 18, 2012 9:46 AM - Donatella

Part, I hope you make a ton of money. Hang in there.
Edited at December 18, 2012 9:46 AM
#47
December 18, 2012 9:46 AM - Deleted
haha - is chance 11 like lox lounge (where me, biff and sixyrs got kicked out of while researching venues for rope gathering)
Edited at December 18, 2012 9:46 AM
#48
December 18, 2012 9:50 AM - Donatella

dibs, I am sure it will. For some reason and it is not a necessarily a rational thing (maybe related to the other shootings in CT) but I feel very upset about it. I have to calm down; this kind of stuff happens in Brooklyn, no reason why it can't happen outside a bar which happens to be around the street from me. Doesn't mean it is going to happen again. But it also makes me angry too. Why do people have to put up with this kind of shit?
Edited at December 18, 2012 9:50 AM
#49
December 18, 2012 9:52 AM - Donatella

All right, I am not going to obsess about it. Onward and upward.
#50
December 18, 2012 9:52 AM - Arkady
Strange, Dona. I looked everywhere I could think of - Google, NY 1, blogs, Bklyn Paper Blotter - no one has anything about it!
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#51
December 18, 2012 9:55 AM - Donatella

Right, Arkady? The 88th Precinct confirmed that there was a shooting but wouldn't say anything. Only that it was under investigation.
Edited at December 18, 2012 9:55 AM
#52
December 18, 2012 9:56 AM - sixyearsandcounting
"haha - is chance 11 like lox lounge (where me, biff and sixyrs got kicked out of while researching venues for rope gathering)"

Was that the place holding the reefer baby shower?
Edited at December 18, 2012 9:56 AM
#53
December 18, 2012 9:57 AM - Deleted
haha yeah six. i pass it everyday now. memories!!
Edited at December 18, 2012 9:57 AM
#54
December 18, 2012 9:58 AM - sixyearsandcounting
Damn, I was just at a party (PARTY!!!) near Clinton-Washington last Friday night.
Edited at December 18, 2012 9:58 AM
#55
December 18, 2012 9:58 AM - Arkady
Why were you 86-ed?
I wrote to Bklyn Paper, Dona, to ask them to look into it.
#56
December 18, 2012 10:02 AM - More4Less
I see Donatella moving to BK Heights or back to Manhattan soon. Sell your house for $2M and be done with it.
#57
December 18, 2012 10:02 AM - Deleted
PARTY!
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:02 AM
#58
December 18, 2012 10:03 AM - MontroseMorris
I think $400K is a good compromise, and the only one Obama should make. What are the Repubs doing as compromise?
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:03 AM
#59
December 18, 2012 10:04 AM - dibs
"What are the Repubs doing as compromise?"

They are allowing taxes to be raised, MORON.

Look into the details before you plather on, blaming.
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:04 AM
#60
December 18, 2012 10:05 AM - More4Less
that area of fulton is low foot traffic but I too never thought it was unsafe. any dude that looks like potential trouble, I take the initiative to say "how you doing?" and / or the acknowledgement nod
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:05 AM
#61
December 18, 2012 10:08 AM - dibs
You don't think Obama should agree to cut spending?????
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:08 AM
#62
December 18, 2012 10:10 AM - MontroseMorris
"Where is the NRA?

The nation's largest gun-rights organization — typically outspoken about its positions even after shooting deaths — has gone all but silent since last week's rampage at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school that left 26 people dead, including 20 children.

Its Facebook page has disappeared. It has posted no tweets. It makes no mention of the shooting on its website. None of its leaders hit the media circuit Sunday to promote its support of the Second Amendment right to bear arms as the nation mourns the latest shooting victims and opens a new debate over gun restrictions. On Monday, the NRA offered no rebuttal as 300 anti-gun protesters marched to its Capitol Hill office."

Interesting to see what happens next. I think there will be at least a law passed to reinstate the lapsed ban on assault weapons. I don't think the NRA will kill themselves to block it, and no politician wants to be seen as supporting weapons that kill small children. I don't think that will stop the next determined mass killer, it's more complicated than that, but it's a start. No one needs an assault weapon laying around the house. Or bullets designed to cause the most internal damage possible. They are not hunting rifles, or handguns for protection or target shooting, they are weapons of mass destruction.
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:10 AM
#63
December 18, 2012 10:10 AM - petebklyn
shooting not usually a mugging or holdup. More probably drug or domestic dispute/retaliation. So - not real indication of safety of area. Especially if from subway - you also have no idea if even connected to area.
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:10 AM
#64
December 18, 2012 10:12 AM - More4Less
the Taiwanese kid looked pretty good spanking my knicks last night. In fact, he looks Chinese.
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:12 AM
#65
December 18, 2012 10:13 AM - petebklyn
the law as written and passed in bush adminstration says tax rates go up.
what they are working on is not letting them go up for everyone or to the extent as written in bush law.
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:13 AM
#66
December 18, 2012 10:14 AM - dibs
It looks like only the Senator from Utah is the last man standing on assault weapons. I suspect the ban will be passed.

Sales of these weapons over the past 4 days have absolutely skyrocketted. But the share prices of Smith & Wesson and Sturm Ruger would tell you othwerwise that, in fact, their sales of these may be coming to an end.
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:14 AM
#67
December 18, 2012 10:14 AM - MontroseMorris
Dave, MORON, why don't you stop spending your entire day posting about how awful Obama is, and how "dangerous" he is to the country. Talk about plathering.
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:14 AM
#68
December 18, 2012 10:14 AM - rf
Donaatella, when you wrote about it, I figured it was some beef between lowlives. One weekend early in the years I lived in Clinton Hill (early 90s) there were two shooting deaths within a block of my house one Fourth of July weekend. Both personal beefs at house parties where there was a lot of drinking. Wasn't that what it turned out to be at Bishop Loughlin H.S., some assholes who weren't even at the event at school?
#69
December 18, 2012 10:14 AM - dibs
I agree with Pete. It doesn't sound like a random shooting but someone targetted.
#70
December 18, 2012 10:15 AM - Deleted
Yea Pete. Criminals usually have terrible aim tho
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:15 AM
#71
December 18, 2012 10:17 AM - dibs
MM, simple question: Do you think spending levels are too high??? Just a yes or no answer, please.
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:17 AM
#72
December 18, 2012 10:18 AM - Donatella

Pete, that is true. It is just that we really don't know what happened. Nobody will say. Ok, I am going to work on forgetting about this for now and the global implications for my life, our world, my real estate investment, our safety, the insanity of the modern world, the politics of guns, gangsta culture, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc......

I am going to defer thinking of all of that until Friday morning at 10:45 am - noon. OK, I'm done.


Edited at December 18, 2012 10:18 AM
#73
December 18, 2012 10:21 AM - dibs
Dona, people get shot all the time throughout Brooklyn. it has no effect on real estate prices, nor the insanity of the world.
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:21 AM
#74
December 18, 2012 10:23 AM - Donatella

I know, rf, you are right. I am sure this is because Asshole #1 slept with Asshole #2's girlfriend. Or something like that. And I am not involved so therefore this doesn't affect me, right? Or the McLaughlin shootings. Wasn't those students so it doesn't affect us, right? It may not mean that I, Donatella, am a target (except unintentionally, dh is right about these people's aim) but it is worrisome just the same to be exposed to this kind of violence so close to home. I know what you mean rf, but I am upset nontheless.

Ok, I am really going to stop now. Thanks for the support, people. I'm off to improve my mood.

Have a good day everyone.
#75
December 18, 2012 10:24 AM - MontroseMorris
Yes, Dave, there is plenty of waste. But I think we would vastly disagree on where it is, and how it should be trimmed.
#76
December 18, 2012 10:24 AM - dibs
" I'm off to improve my mood."

A little early to hit the bottle but then again, it is the holidays!!!!



#77
December 18, 2012 10:25 AM - dibs
MM, waste is different from a spending level that is too high. You skirted the issue.
#78
December 18, 2012 10:25 AM - Donatella

You are right, dibs. rf. Ok, I am going to have some coffee and do some deep breathing. For real, now.
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:25 AM
#79
December 18, 2012 10:28 AM - the chicken
GM all (except dh who is giving me a hard time on scrabble).


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#80
December 18, 2012 10:31 AM - sixyearsandcounting
"waste is different from a spending level that is too high. You skirted the issue."

Subtle attempt at a punfest? Put a sock in it, Dave.
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:31 AM
#81
December 18, 2012 10:33 AM - MontroseMorris
No I didn't. "Spending levels too high" is a false threshold. It's not too high if that's what it takes to do what we have to do. It is too high if vast amounts of wasted money are budgeted into it, money that doesn't need to be spent. Like I said, we would be at great odds as to where and what that waste is. The argument will go on, I'm afraid.
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:33 AM
#82
December 18, 2012 10:34 AM - rf
Oh really, Dave! She has to play by your rules? Can she enumerate where the cuts are applied? Is that allowed?
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:34 AM
#83
December 18, 2012 10:37 AM - dibs
STFU, rf. I asked a simple question.
#84
December 18, 2012 10:37 AM - Deleted
sorry i'm confused. did obama lose the election or something?
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:37 AM
#85
December 18, 2012 10:39 AM - dibs
No, the US population lost. Seems that the growing number of self entitled think that can go on forever in increasing amounts.

I point this out because I care about the future of the country, at least in principal. NONE of this will efver affect me but you can be sure that YOUR benfits will be reduced by the time you need tham.

Chew on that (nh)
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:39 AM
#86
December 18, 2012 10:42 AM - Deleted
why the fuck do you care? you're retired. go drink some wine dumbass
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:42 AM
#87
December 18, 2012 10:42 AM - dibs
I said I only care in principal. You should care about spending. Do you understand the fact that it is mathematically impossible that it continue?????? Dumbass.
#88
December 18, 2012 10:42 AM - Arkady
Don't hem & haw, 6!
Times has a piece on violence - under 6% of slayings are done by insane people.
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:42 AM
#89
December 18, 2012 10:43 AM - the chicken
Cut spending by stopping fighting so many wars?
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#90
December 18, 2012 10:43 AM - sixyearsandcounting
Salesman last week at Restoration Hardware told me that gift for lady friend would be shipped in 3-7 business days. Checked the email receipt and it said it will arrive on or before 2/20/13. Emailed them to clarify and it turns out the gift is not in stock anywhere. Back to the drawing board. Why wasn't that info available to the salesman and/or why did he ignore it? Grrrrrrr.
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:43 AM
#91
December 18, 2012 10:44 AM - Deleted
cuz salesman wanted comission!
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#92
December 18, 2012 10:44 AM - Deleted
welcome to the RH cult
#93
December 18, 2012 10:45 AM - dibs
Arkady, did it define "insane."
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:45 AM
#94
December 18, 2012 10:46 AM - dibs
"cuz salesman wanted comission!"

Exactly.


Buy online. You'll know a lot sooner if something is out of stock.
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:45 AM
#95
December 18, 2012 10:49 AM - sixyearsandcounting
Here I was all happy they gave me a 20% discount and free shipping. They did offer a substitute product but it is a set of 1 not 2, which is less useful.
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:48 AM
#96
December 18, 2012 10:50 AM - DeLepp
It's bothers me that my 31(so far) years of paying into SS may mean I'll get means tested out of a good portion of that cash. If that is the case they should change SS and stop sending me mailings about what I won't be entitled too.
If "every thing is on the table" than I would expect the tax break I recieve on my local/state/property taxes will go poof as why should no income tax states subsidize our out of control spending in state/local govt.
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:50 AM
#97
December 18, 2012 10:52 AM - dibs
There's no such thing as a "set of 1" unless you are talking about a television set, which is no longer used either.

Set of:

Glasses
Balls
Tits
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:51 AM
#98
December 18, 2012 10:52 AM - Slopefarm
You could play one set of tennis.
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#99
December 18, 2012 10:54 AM - Deleted
one set = several games
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December 18, 2012 10:54 AM - dibs
I think the only deduction that will get messed with is for mortgages over $1 Million. Not local taxes or real estate taxes. Too much of a political hot potato.

Means testing for SS is a ways off. Probably not for you but by the time dh reaches that age he'll be lucky if there's ANY money to pay out.
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:54 AM
December 18, 2012 10:54 AM - MontroseMorris
I answered your question, Dave. No reply?

I have to out for about an hour anyway, so take your time.
December 18, 2012 10:56 AM - DeLepp
dibs, latest mailer from SS warned me that I will get less.
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:56 AM
December 18, 2012 10:58 AM - More4Less
Delepp, exactly, those SS letters telling me how much I would get when I retire at xx age is very insulting and outright lie by the gov. spending is too high - that's a fact. just cause one can make argument that there are legit needs doesn't preclude the fact that spending is too high.
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:58 AM
December 18, 2012 11:01 AM - More4Less
given I'll soon be among the unemployed masses, I'm all for drinking from the gov's boobs as far as collecting them checks for as long as a year - if that's how long it takes me to find a gig. I'll switch stance once I'm employed
Edited at December 18, 2012 11:01 AM
December 18, 2012 11:02 AM - the chicken
Social Security (in the US and the UK) is the very definition of ponzi scheme - except you can't choose to not "invest".
Edited at December 18, 2012 11:02 AM
December 18, 2012 11:03 AM - sixyearsandcounting
Doesn't the guy know that he won't get his commission if the sale is canceled? Some people really make you wonder.
December 18, 2012 11:04 AM - kazootite
dona, I believe I've heard you mention gunshots and helicopters near your place several times. Seriously, would you consider returning to bk heights?
Edited at December 18, 2012 11:04 AM
December 18, 2012 11:10 AM - dibs
I just went and setup online access to my SS account.
Edited at December 18, 2012 11:09 AM
December 18, 2012 11:10 AM - Deleted
some places don't factor in chargebacks into commission calculations (which is dumb as shit)
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December 18, 2012 11:15 AM - dibs
It's probably a union rule, dh. it would only make sense under the twisted logic of union rules.
Edited at December 18, 2012 11:18 AM
December 18, 2012 11:20 AM - Deleted
well - that certainly wasn't the case at my former employer.
Edited at December 18, 2012 11:19 AM
December 18, 2012 11:26 AM - Donatella

Kazoo, probably not. Not for this reason. I am going to stay here; I worked a lot on the house and I think that the financial reasons I made the decision to have the house are the right ones. I could possibly keep the house and live elsewhere but that decision would probably have to be part of a larger life decision. This stuff happens and Park Slope once was crime ridden, so was Brooklyn Heights. Basically I like it here; I was rattled by these events though.

I realized that it would take a long time to write about your mother and nursing homes but please remember this. That in some cases, being in a nursing home is far superior from many perspectives to toughing it out at home. Assuming that you find a good place, old people can often be safer, have better care, have more social stimulation and often feel a sense of relief. Whatever you decide, good luck.
Edited at December 18, 2012 11:26 AM
December 18, 2012 11:29 AM - sixyearsandcounting
I can't find any evidence that RH employees are unionized. Must be management's fault.
December 18, 2012 11:30 AM - Deleted
probably a secret union
Edited at December 18, 2012 11:30 AM
December 18, 2012 11:31 AM - Partridge
So true about nursing homes, Dona and Kazoo. My family doctor knew when it was time. He was right.
Edited at December 18, 2012 11:31 AM
December 18, 2012 11:37 AM - dibs
As opposed to a "sacred union?"
Edited at December 18, 2012 11:36 AM
December 18, 2012 12:08 PM - Slopefarm
Dibs talking about marriage -- now THAT'S a thread killer.
Edited at December 18, 2012 12:08 PM
December 18, 2012 12:10 PM - Deleted
marriage, retirement, social security. fun fun fun!
Edited at December 18, 2012 12:10 PM
December 18, 2012 12:12 PM - Slopefarm
You watch the Louie/Charlie Brown mashup, dh?
Edited at December 18, 2012 12:12 PM
December 18, 2012 12:24 PM - Deleted
haha yeah slopey - hilarious!!
Edited at December 18, 2012 12:24 PM
December 18, 2012 12:26 PM - Slopefarm
"marriage, retirement, social security. fun fun fun!"

You left out nursing homes, youngen. But if you want, we could roll it back a bit in the lifecycle and talk about younger people issues. Perhaps rf and I can start a convo about parenting moody teenagers.



Edited at December 18, 2012 12:25 PM
December 18, 2012 12:30 PM - sixyearsandcounting
This article has it all: class, food snobbery, generation gap, you name it...
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/19/dining/bridging-the-generation-gap-one-meal-at-a-time.html?hp&_r=0
"The generational food gap corresponds to the evolved way many American families eat today, Dr. Paxson said. Baby boomers like my folks largely adopted the frugal dining habits of their World War II-era parents. Dinners were about affordability and efficiency. My parents put dinner on the table each night to feed us, not to enlighten us about edamame and the wonders of a Le Creuset Dutch oven (which my mom now owns and uses often)...
That all changes when children move away. For some, a new social milieu means adopting a vegan diet or giving up carbohydrates, while others, like my brother-in-law, drink only Blue Bottle coffee made in a handblown Chemex coffee maker. My friend Barry Dale says the only thing tougher than telling his Southern parents he was gay was telling them he was gluten free. (He does not have celiac disease.)"
December 18, 2012 12:31 PM - Deleted
they lost me at social milieu
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December 18, 2012 12:45 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Your social milieu is the ghetto.
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December 18, 2012 12:51 PM - Deleted
damn skippy! love it
December 18, 2012 12:55 PM - dibs
gluten free gay??

Ughhhhh
Edited at December 18, 2012 12:55 PM
December 18, 2012 1:01 PM - kazootite
Thanks to all for your advice about elder care. I am too upset right now to write more than this :-) In the immortal words of Pete, I think I will take a nap. No that won't work.
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December 18, 2012 1:01 PM - sixyearsandcounting
The coffee nazi bro-in-law is crazier!
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December 18, 2012 1:01 PM - DeLepp
barry dale is probably one of those thin pasty gays who goes to flea wearing a wool cap and short shorts.
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December 18, 2012 1:03 PM - dibs
My parents have never eaten either Japanese, Chinese or Mexican food. Why should I force things on them that they don't want?
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December 18, 2012 1:16 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Yes, Dave, you're quite the rebel, what with all the Japanese, Chinese, and Mexicans you've had over the years.
Edited at December 18, 2012 1:16 PM
December 18, 2012 1:19 PM - Donatella

Kazoo, I am not sure what the nature of your mother's frailties are, but as a general resource on services AND services for caretakers (i.e. YOU), look into Alzheimers.org. What an organization. Excellent services including financial and legal.
December 18, 2012 1:23 PM - Donatella

Ugh, wool cap. Major social disqualifier. FOR ANYTHING.
December 18, 2012 1:25 PM - sixyearsandcounting
If we had to list all the "major social disqualifiers" according to PLUSAdom...

1. Pork pie hats
2. Wool caps
....
December 18, 2012 1:25 PM - Deleted
what about cashmere?
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December 18, 2012 1:26 PM - dibs
3. Jeans too tight
4. marves
5.Murses

6. Just about dh's entire wardrobe
Edited at December 18, 2012 1:26 PM
December 18, 2012 1:26 PM - DeLepp
not while wearing short shorts!
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December 18, 2012 1:28 PM - Slopefarm
7. White leopard print jackets for men.
8. Casual use of the "C" word (not "cancer", the other one) in mixed company.
Edited at December 18, 2012 1:29 PM
December 18, 2012 1:31 PM - Slopefarm
I don't get what people mean by "marves" -- isn't it acceptable for men to wear a wool overcoat outside in winter and don't you need to wear a scarf with that? Neck gets frozen otherwise.
Edited at December 18, 2012 1:32 PM
December 18, 2012 1:31 PM - Arkady
Wardrobe desiderata: traffic cones as head wear.
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December 18, 2012 1:32 PM - dibs
Conservative????
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December 18, 2012 1:33 PM - dibs
Slopey, it's the wearing of the scarf as the only outerwear item, typically when it's still too warm. Scarf with overcoat would be traditional, acceptable style. MORON.
Edited at December 18, 2012 1:33 PM
December 18, 2012 1:36 PM - Slopefarm
I've just never heard the term away from here. Agree, no scarf without a coat. Apparently you are better acquainted with the sort of crowd that breaks that norm than I am.
Edited at December 18, 2012 1:36 PM
December 18, 2012 1:36 PM - Donatella

Pork pie hat (pushed back on head) and Buddy Holly glasses.

STOP BEING A LIVING CARTOON.
Edited at December 18, 2012 1:36 PM
December 18, 2012 1:37 PM - dibs
The farmhand probably knows the terms.
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December 18, 2012 1:38 PM - dibs
I fear that when I next visit Asia I will be surrounded by pork pie hats. They seem to think this is really cool plus they catch on too late and it lasts far too long over there.
Edited at December 18, 2012 1:38 PM
December 18, 2012 1:38 PM - pepper
What's wrong with cashmere?
Edited at December 18, 2012 1:38 PM
December 18, 2012 1:40 PM - Donatella

Still no record ANYWHERE of the shooting. This is like some 1950s cold war science fiction movie. Invaders on Fulton Street. Don't tell them anything. Pretend it didn't happen. You didn't see the police cars, the police tapes, the 50 cops. What shooting?
Edited at December 18, 2012 1:40 PM
December 18, 2012 1:40 PM - dibs
Nothing wrong with cashmere. I don't know why dh brought it up other than the fact that he's a Moron.
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December 18, 2012 1:42 PM - Deleted
from you - that's a compliment. i'm in great company apparently
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December 18, 2012 1:54 PM - Deleted
zzzzzzzzzzzzz
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December 18, 2012 1:56 PM - pepper
Ok. Good. Because I love cashmere.
December 18, 2012 1:57 PM - Donatella

Cashmere is the first choice of moths. (no reflection on you, Ms. Pepper).
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December 18, 2012 1:59 PM - Deleted
dona hates moths, and squirrels.
Edited at December 18, 2012 1:59 PM
December 18, 2012 2:00 PM - pepper
I keep my cashmere in a cedar chest.
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December 18, 2012 2:04 PM - Donatella

The squirrels in the backyard are MASSIVE. Huge. They look like fat grey bunnies. They have been on an eating binge for ages, running to and fro chomping manically on the little seeds from the maple tree back there. Getting ready for winter. I wonder if we'll have one this year.
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December 18, 2012 2:15 PM - Partridge
Shhhhh! Don't jinx it.

Former/assistant/temporary/shopgirl just stopped by with keys. Said she was sorry that she couldn't work any longer because the cold/flu that her husband has is not a cold/flu after all. It is something worse. No diagnosis yet, but he must stay home from work for 6 weeks.

Hmm. Not diagnosed but they can predict the duration. Strange story but I am sure it's the truth.
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December 18, 2012 2:16 PM - Deleted
sounds like leprosy
Edited at December 18, 2012 2:16 PM
December 18, 2012 2:20 PM - DeLepp
part, it's what known as the dirtbag disease.
Edited at December 18, 2012 2:20 PM
December 18, 2012 2:24 PM - Partridge
Maybe mono, maybe crabs. He insures race horses. Maybe hoof in mouth?
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December 18, 2012 2:25 PM - Donatella

Damn good thing you aren't breathing her virus droplets anymore. EEEWWWWW,
Edited at December 18, 2012 2:25 PM
December 18, 2012 2:26 PM - Donatella

douchebag diptheria.
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December 18, 2012 2:27 PM - dibs
Probably some fraudulent workers comp claim.
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December 18, 2012 2:44 PM - dibs
Joe Lieberman blaming Newtown, CT shooting on video games.
Edited at December 18, 2012 2:44 PM
December 18, 2012 2:52 PM - Arkady
Joe Lieberman
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December 18, 2012 2:54 PM - Slopefarm
Dave, apparently Adam Lanza tried to destroy his hard drive before he went on his rampage. They are somewhat optimistic about recovering some files (or perhaps they have already but are waiting to get a mroe definiitive picture before releasing info about it). I suspect we'll know a lot more about motivation if they are successful.

William Saletan on Slate has been writing very specifically about how much the speed of the weapon matters in terms of how many deaths and how much difficulty in stopping the shooter.

Cerberus is selling off its major stake in gun manufacturers.
Edited at December 18, 2012 2:54 PM
December 18, 2012 2:54 PM - DeLepp
dibs, I played cowboys and indians when I was younger and now have my aztecan.
Edited at December 18, 2012 2:54 PM
December 18, 2012 2:55 PM - Arkady
Where did you see about the hard drive? 88 says so far it's not looking recoverable even by FBI mavens.
Edited at December 18, 2012 2:55 PM
December 18, 2012 2:58 PM - CGar
***Refinishing Recommendations, Please ***

I'm posting pics below of the refectory table my Stepbrother's movers delivered yesterday. It was my Dad's and Stepmother's kitchen table from 1972. My Stepmother always called it a farm table. No idea what a refectory table is (STFU, Arkady), though it doesn't sound terribly Jewish. Story goes that she was at an auction and spotted this in the back of someone's truck, ready for the dump, and snapped it up.

Back in the day, she'd had it painted antique white, with thin yellow and blue bands painted around the bevels at the bottom of each leg. (Yes, I know.) Eventually, it was refinished in a dark brown, which would have matched the rest of my furniture perfectly. At some point, unbeknownst to me until yesterday's delivery, my Stepbrother had it stripped and refinished in a light stain to show off the oak, which I don't really like and doesn't match the rest of my stuff.

I love the table, it's got a lot of sentimental value, and it works well in the dining area where the Pottery Barn table is now, but I need to get it refinished. I'd like to return it to the dark brown stain it last wore and which matches the rest of my stuff (see, e.g., Pottery Barn table and chairs to the immediate right).

Any thoughts on finishes and any local refinisher recommendations are greatly appreciated.

Edited at December 18, 2012 3:06 PM
December 18, 2012 2:58 PM - Donatella

Add to list of things to do. Attend monthly NYPD community affairs meetings.
Edited at December 18, 2012 2:58 PM
December 18, 2012 2:58 PM - CGar
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December 18, 2012 2:59 PM - CGar
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December 18, 2012 2:59 PM - CGar
dona, honestly, you've been plathering on all day, so you'd think you'd let me say one thing without you interrupting me. ;-)
Edited at December 18, 2012 2:59 PM
December 18, 2012 3:00 PM - Donatella

A little later, I will check my Angie's list directory for recommendations, CGar. I don't know anyone personally, but I will check.
Edited at December 18, 2012 3:00 PM
December 18, 2012 3:00 PM - Arkady
Refectory is just a fancy word for dining.
Edited at December 18, 2012 3:00 PM
December 18, 2012 3:00 PM - Donatella

XXOO, Penguin.
Edited at December 18, 2012 3:00 PM
December 18, 2012 3:03 PM - Slopefarm
I can't remember arkady, but I just checked and you are right that recent reports are that they've got nothing so far.

I've been thinking that the recent S.Ct. decision holding that the 2nd Amendment right is an individual one actually may make it easier to get some more restrictive laws enacted. The majority opinion states that the right is not unlimited and outlines various types of permissible regulations. Historically, the NRA has treated every proposed measure as a step toward eliminating the right altogether. Now the right cannot be eliminated so measures such as assault weapons bans can no longer be portrayed as existential threats to gun ownership.
Edited at December 18, 2012 3:03 PM
December 18, 2012 3:04 PM - Deleted
looks like a nice sturdy table.
Edited at December 18, 2012 3:04 PM
December 18, 2012 3:04 PM - dibs
Vanguard just responded to their being a large shareholder in Sturm Ruger and Smith & Wesson and said they can't cater to the social consciousness of all investors.



Edited at December 18, 2012 3:04 PM
December 18, 2012 3:06 PM - Deleted
sounds like vanguard is a large shareholder in summer's eve as well
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December 18, 2012 3:07 PM - dibs
I don't know any wood refinishers but what you want is to bleach it first and then use a dark mahogany + black stain on it. even if you decided to try and stain it yourself, it probably has a polyurethane finish on it which will have to be removed first.

I had oak floors in Chicago that were stained black and looked great.
Edited at December 18, 2012 3:07 PM
December 18, 2012 3:08 PM - dibs
Probably own a lot of tobacco stocks, as do I but I don't care about socially conscious investing. The returns for those funds have been sub par.
Edited at December 18, 2012 3:08 PM
December 18, 2012 3:09 PM - dibs
When it's refinished can we come over for brunch????
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December 18, 2012 3:10 PM - Slopefarm
CGar, Norman Benjamin for refinishing. Boerum Hill Restoration. he no longer has a storefront on Atlantic but he is still working somewhere nearby to you.

(718) 243-1972 -- that's the only ph # I find on line. I hope it still works.

Did excellent work with our DR table, with some Danish modern chairs Mrs. Slopey inherited. You can use my real name with him.



Edited at December 18, 2012 3:10 PM
December 18, 2012 3:11 PM - dibs
Lots of nice quarter sawn oak in that table.
Edited at December 18, 2012 3:11 PM
December 18, 2012 3:13 PM - CGar
"even if you decided to try and stain it yourself"

ROFLMMFAO. Thanks, dave. Funniest thing I've heard or read all day.
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December 18, 2012 3:14 PM - Slopefarm
"Add to list of things to do. Attend monthly NYPD community affairs meetings"

I've done that. Mostly self-congratulatory stuff -- reporting arrests, awarding "arrest of the month", getting people to buy raffles. But almost no one from the puiblic goes so if you go and make some noise at the open comment session at the end, you will get some attention. If you have a block association, talk with the prez beforehand and say you want to go on behalf of the association, so you can get up and say you are there in that capacity.
Edited at December 18, 2012 3:14 PM
December 18, 2012 3:15 PM - CGar
Thanks, Slopey. He knows you as Dr. & Mr. Farm???
December 18, 2012 3:16 PM - Slopefarm
Exactly.
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December 18, 2012 3:20 PM - dibs
Norman Benjamin sounds Jewish. Wouldn't he be better as a lawyer or an accountant? Do you get a little Circle K Pareve branded into the wood?????
December 18, 2012 3:23 PM - dibs
Dick's Sporting Goods pulled semi automatics from their shelves. SWHC and RGR are shorts here.
Edited at December 18, 2012 3:28 PM
December 18, 2012 3:23 PM - Arkady
Parve, perv.
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December 18, 2012 3:25 PM - CGar
"When it's refinished can we come over for brunch????"

But, of course, dave, and I won't even have to put a leaf in. Since I'm so clearly going to hell, I may as well keep good company. And, like any good JEW, have a good meal first.
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December 18, 2012 3:25 PM - Slopefarm
I'm pretty sure he is Jewish. But don't worry -- I think he has a crew of laborers do the work. He mostly directs the work and runs the business. Yiddische kop and all that.
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December 18, 2012 3:28 PM - Slopefarm
"And, like any good JEW, have a good meal first."

Right, because in Jewish hell there's only supermarket cinnamon raisin bagels and margerine.

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December 18, 2012 3:29 PM - dibs
Does he have any hot latinos working for him??? I have some wood that needs polishing.
Edited at December 18, 2012 3:29 PM
December 18, 2012 3:32 PM - Slopefarm
It's possible, dave but I've never been in the shop. He usually picks up the furniture and brings it back to the shop.
Edited at December 18, 2012 3:32 PM
December 18, 2012 3:36 PM - Partridge
You can try Rachel at

http://www.circaantiquesltd.com/

Edited at December 18, 2012 3:36 PM
December 18, 2012 3:36 PM - CGar
Since dave is enjoying the hard wood, I'm posting a close up of the beveled legs . . . (and, yes, I'm certain "beveled" is the wrong word, but I'm JEWish so I really don't care and can't be asked) . . .
Edited at December 18, 2012 3:36 PM
December 18, 2012 3:38 PM - Slopefarm
Hate to say it arkady, but pareve is an acceptable spelling.

???????
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December 18, 2012 3:38 PM - dibs
They are hexagonal or octoganal, not beveled. Nor are they tapered.
Edited at December 18, 2012 3:38 PM
December 18, 2012 3:40 PM - dibs
At 4:30 on Create (169) on TWC they are building a Craftsman style library table, most likely oak. You might want to check it out.
Edited at December 18, 2012 3:40 PM
December 18, 2012 3:40 PM - dibs
I read Pareve this morning on a candy bar.
Edited at December 18, 2012 3:40 PM
December 18, 2012 3:42 PM - dibs
WOW...lightning and massive thunder here in the Heights
Edited at December 18, 2012 3:42 PM
December 18, 2012 3:44 PM - Partridge
Champfered.
Edited at December 18, 2012 3:44 PM
December 18, 2012 3:45 PM - Donatella

Ok, Slopey.. I'll go and just start complaining. I'll complain too about the jackass policeman at the 88th Precinct who spoke to me like I was asking for his social security number when I wanted to know what happened. Sort of like "somebody got shot. That's what happened." Like, "what's it to you?"

December 18, 2012 3:46 PM - Donatella
Yeah, I heard the thunder. Thought it might be a howitzer.
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December 18, 2012 3:46 PM - dibs
Champfered is the wrong term. That has to do with a finish on an edge, not the fact that the legs are hexagonal in shape.
December 18, 2012 3:47 PM - dibs
Dona, the attitude among police these days is really abominable. All this post 9-11 support for the police has swollen their heads to Nazi like proportions.
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December 18, 2012 3:55 PM - sixyearsandcounting
In fact I just spoke to Norman Benjamin on the phone today, since Yelp lists his business under "antiques."

Got caught out in the squall - it was perfectly sunny when I got on the F at Bergen, cloudy when I exited at Ditmas, and pouring by the time I got home. Canceled RH order and found what I was looking for at Collier West (crazy saleslady in there said "Good Sir" and "Alas" more times per minute than I've ever heard in my life).
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December 18, 2012 3:55 PM - CGar
"They are hexagonal or octoganal, not beveled. Nor are they tapered."

Thanks, dave. I was referring to the indented part about a foot from the floor and the exdented part a few inches from the floor. I'm sure there's a word for that.

(And, don't hold back, dave. Feel free to call me a JEWish MORON.)
Edited at December 18, 2012 3:55 PM
December 18, 2012 3:56 PM - dibs
Sunny here now!!!
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December 18, 2012 3:57 PM - CGar
Thanks, partridge. I see that they, like Slopey's people, are also JEWish. I've walked by their store many times.
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December 18, 2012 3:58 PM - dibs
Not sure. Maybe "stepped" Why does it matter????
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December 18, 2012 4:01 PM - Slopefarm
Dona, it's a feelgood event for the cops and a chance to get some good press from the local neighborhood rags. I would not trash the police -- be diplomatic. The outcome you want is: 1. They are responsive to you, see you as a neighborhood activist they will want to keep happy. The real action is after the meeting, when you buttonhole whatever cops are there, community affaitrs officer, etc. and get to talk more privately. You will learn morea bout what happened after the meeting than in the open forum in response to your comments. 2. The local elected officials usually send staff. You want them to talk to you as well, so they sort of know who you are when you need to call them.

Be patient; almost nothing matters for the first 45 minutes until they open the floor for comment.
Edited at December 18, 2012 4:01 PM
December 18, 2012 4:01 PM - CGar
"Why does it matter????"

It doesn't matter. I'm just trying to use the right word in describing them. "Stepped" works okay, Mr. Nasty. Sheesh . . .
Edited at December 18, 2012 4:01 PM
December 18, 2012 4:03 PM - DeLepp
Have brought some gifts at Collier West, manager is wacky. Terrier they have there is cute.
Edited at December 18, 2012 4:03 PM
December 18, 2012 4:04 PM - Partridge
Yes, Jewish and nice people. I've known them for a million years although we are not close. Rachel has been on the block for about 25 years.
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December 18, 2012 4:04 PM - Deleted
hey dona - wanna start a FG/CH activist org?
Edited at December 18, 2012 4:04 PM
December 18, 2012 4:06 PM - CGar
What is Collier West? Six is ordering from RH and going antiquing and calling Norman the JEWish furniture refinisher?? I'm so confused (which isn't all that unusual) - I had to read that post a couple times as I thought it was DH.
Edited at December 18, 2012 4:06 PM
December 18, 2012 4:06 PM - dibs
From brownstoner....

http://www.cityshadeswoodworking.com
December 18, 2012 4:06 PM - Deleted
my swag is contagious
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December 18, 2012 4:07 PM - DeLepp
hey dona - wanna start a FG/CH activist org?

1st meeting could be at the mayflower
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December 18, 2012 4:08 PM - Deleted
i like where your heads at delepp!
Edited at December 18, 2012 4:08 PM
December 18, 2012 4:08 PM - DeLepp
collier west is a gift shop on atlantic. some interesting things. manager is way out.
Edited at December 18, 2012 4:08 PM
December 18, 2012 4:09 PM - DeLepp
dh, weren't the occupants of the mayflower the original gentrifiers?
Edited at December 18, 2012 4:09 PM
December 18, 2012 4:09 PM - dibs
"my swag is contagious"

Penicillin
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December 18, 2012 4:11 PM - Deleted
good point - i'm liking the symbolism of it all
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December 18, 2012 4:18 PM - rf
Lightning, thunder, no rain here.
Edited at December 18, 2012 4:18 PM
December 18, 2012 4:21 PM - DeLepp
maybe mayan calendar said 12/18, wonder if i got time to squeeze in a martini before whatever hits/destroys us.
Don't watch Melancholia, ever.
December 18, 2012 4:22 PM - dibs
DeLepp, speaker on CNBC makes a good point. As long as Dems are in power, SS won't change. As more and more people go on it, more vote with Dems. There won't be means testing on SS because the Dems don't think it is broken. Absolute morons.
Edited at December 18, 2012 4:22 PM
December 18, 2012 4:22 PM - Deleted
melancholia bugged me the F out
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December 18, 2012 4:23 PM - Deleted
kirsten dunst is my mortal enemy
December 18, 2012 4:23 PM - dibs
I thought it was 12/20 or 12/21
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December 18, 2012 4:24 PM - rf
Aren't you at work? (Except Dave of course.)
December 18, 2012 4:25 PM - dibs
Wikepedia says 12/21
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December 18, 2012 4:27 PM - Arkady
Loudest clap of thunder I've *ever* heard! Scared the bejesus out of my guys who normally don't react to it. One was up on the tree-trimming ladder & jumped all the way down.
Edited at December 18, 2012 4:27 PM
December 18, 2012 4:28 PM - CGar
I haven't heard a thing here in Cobble Hill.

(And trees should be all trimmed by now.)
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December 18, 2012 4:30 PM - Deleted
arkady

"your packaged has arrived"

<3 chicken
December 18, 2012 4:30 PM - dibs
Getting dark again. Outside, not in the bedroom
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December 18, 2012 4:31 PM - Slopefarm
Wait, arkady hires people to trim her Christmas tree? Only a Jew would do that. Oh wait, that makes almost no sense. Oh Tenenbaum, O Tenenbaum . . .
Edited at December 18, 2012 4:31 PM
December 18, 2012 4:32 PM - Slopefarm
Or does "my guys" refer to her cats. And yes, only a goy would have cats trim her tree. Jews don't trust animals with that much responsibility.
Edited at December 18, 2012 4:32 PM
December 18, 2012 4:32 PM - sixyearsandcounting
It's a gift for the lady friend, CGar. You don't think I'd really be shopping there for my own purposes, do you? I don't think I've ever won a single GOTD.
Edited at December 18, 2012 4:32 PM
December 18, 2012 4:35 PM - Arkady
Doing tinsel, Slopey, & the cats are 'helping'. Because of various interruptions, trimming has taken 5 days so far.
Edited at December 18, 2012 4:35 PM
December 18, 2012 4:36 PM - Deleted
"lady friends" get gifts?
Edited at December 18, 2012 4:36 PM
December 18, 2012 4:37 PM - Arkady
Super, dh, thanks!! And to Chicken.
Edited at December 18, 2012 4:37 PM
December 18, 2012 4:40 PM - CGar
"I don't think I've ever won a single GOTD."

Perhaps not. But, every time you say "lady friend", I think of my 90-year-old Uncle Bernie.
Edited at December 18, 2012 4:40 PM
December 18, 2012 4:43 PM - Slopefarm
"I don't think I've ever won a single GOTD."

You and dibs, 6.
Edited at December 18, 2012 4:43 PM
December 18, 2012 4:44 PM - dibs
When he says "lady friend" I willnever forget sitting in the Bloomberg TV offices waiting to go on. There were two other guys there and one was this flamboyantly gay Brit who was the technical analyst for Merrill Lynch at the time. he was about 60 or so, extremely well dressed and very, very proper and very very gay. the other guy asked if he was married and his response was "Well, I do have a lady friend back in London."
Edited at December 18, 2012 4:44 PM
December 18, 2012 4:44 PM - Slopefarm
"But, every time you say "lady friend", I think of my 90-year-old Uncle Bernie"

And GOTD goes to . . . . Uncle Bernie!
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December 18, 2012 4:46 PM - sixyearsandcounting
LOL.

Arkady, Grammar and Spelling HQ had to issue an awkward apology:
http://public.oed.com/the-oed-today/oed-word-of-the-day-an-apology/
Edited at December 18, 2012 4:46 PM
December 18, 2012 4:52 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Looks like you can get crabs in Park Slope these days >>>>
Edited at December 18, 2012 4:52 PM
December 18, 2012 4:52 PM - Slopefarm
Yikes.

I remember about 20 years ago, McDonalds put out a calendar and in between the real holidays they did little filler items. One day they called "National Nothing Day." Turned out it was MLK birthday. Bit of a public relations problem.
Edited at December 18, 2012 4:52 PM
December 18, 2012 5:02 PM - Arkady
Oy! 6. Plus it would've been posted midnight GMT presumably but someone could've leaped on it to take it down.
Edited at December 18, 2012 5:02 PM
December 18, 2012 5:03 PM - Arkady
J&J scheduled their annual meeting on Passover one year.
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December 18, 2012 5:29 PM - sixyearsandcounting
The NRA has finally issued a statement:
"The National Rifle Association of America is made up of four million moms and dads, sons and daughters – and we were shocked, saddened and heartbroken by the news of the horrific and senseless murders in Newtown.
Out of respect for the families, and as a matter of common decency, we have given time for mourning, prayer and a full investigation of the facts before commenting.
The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again.
The NRA is planning to hold a major news conference in the Washington, DC area on Friday, December 21.
Details will be released to the media at the appropriate time."
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December 18, 2012 5:34 PM - dibs
That's the day the world ends.
Edited at December 18, 2012 5:34 PM
December 18, 2012 5:35 PM - Partridge
"The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again."

Wow! Can't wait 'til Friday to see what they offer.
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December 18, 2012 5:36 PM - Partridge
Or as Dave suggests, we will never know.
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December 18, 2012 5:37 PM - dibs
Yes, please all of you go ahead and judge and criticize them before you hear what they have to say.
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December 18, 2012 5:39 PM - Slopefarm
We'll see if the NRA offers anything more than its standard response.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/12/nra_and_gun_control_the_national_rifle_association_scares_its_members_into.html
December 18, 2012 5:43 PM - dibs
I pity what poor parents with a child with Aspbergers will go through in the near future
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December 18, 2012 5:47 PM - Slopefarm
Aspbergers is such a broad spectrum diagnosis and it seems Adam had a lot more going on. Parents really ought not worry unless they are seeing disturbing signs. Apparently Adam was burning himself with a cigarette lighter in the week before the shooting, and had other troubling behaviors.
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December 18, 2012 5:49 PM - dibs
Hasbro introducing a gender neutral Easy Bake Oven
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December 18, 2012 5:49 PM - Slopefarm
I suspect they've got some education and mental health records but are waiting to see if they can get into the hard drive before they announce what they know about him. They are being really careful not to let incomplete findings out piecemeal.
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December 18, 2012 5:50 PM - Slopefarm
Just different colors, dibs, blue, silver etc., in addition to pink and purple. Plus they will add some boys to the ads.
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December 18, 2012 5:50 PM - dibs
I didn't mean thinking about their own children but from the public, others, etc.
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December 18, 2012 5:51 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Dave, conservative columnist Rod Dreher has a son with Asperger's:
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/newtown/
"As most readers know, I have a son with Asperger’s, so it’s painful to read that Adam Lanza had Asperger’s — painful, not because we think that our son is more capable of this kind of thing than anybody else (and besides, it sounds like his Asperger’s is far less pronounced than Lanza’s), but because we know that we’re probably about to go through a phase in popular culture in which Aspie kids, who have a hard enough row to hoe, are going to be looked at as potential mass murderers. God help the Aspie boys and girls on the playground for the next few weeks.
I have a better idea now what American Muslims must have felt like after 9/11."
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December 18, 2012 5:52 PM - CGar
To your point, dave, I have a good friend with an autistic child, and a cousin with 2 autistic children (not sure whether or not they have Asperger's), and they asked me to share the Times Op-Ed below and spread the word so people understand that autism is not to blame . . .

"Don't Blame Autism for Newtown"
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/opinion/dont-blame-autism-for-newtown.html?_r=0
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December 18, 2012 5:52 PM - dibs
Exactly, six, exactly.
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December 18, 2012 5:53 PM - Slopefarm
Yes, dibs, there is a lot of fear already in the mental health community that Aspbergers will get a really bad rap when this kind of behavior is not associated with Aspberger symptoms. There must be another diagnosis, or undiagnosed mental illness. Aspbergers is on autism spectrum and is considered more of a developmental disability than a form of mental illness. IMHO Adam had to be mentally ill in some way.
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December 18, 2012 5:55 PM - dibs
CGar, shouldn't you be getting ready???? Didn't you say you had some holiday gala to attend?
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December 18, 2012 5:56 PM - dibs
Instagram has decided that they can sell any photos posted by users without permission or compensation. Remember, facebook owns instagram.
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December 18, 2012 6:05 PM - sixyearsandcounting
New theory is that Lanza was angry his mother was going to have him committed.
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December 18, 2012 6:06 PM - dibs
Doesn't explain why he went to the school after shooting her 4 x in the head
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December 18, 2012 6:06 PM - Partridge
"Yes, please all of you go ahead and judge and criticize them before you hear what they have to say"

Huh? I certainly am not judging the NRA on their statement. I am genuinely interested in what they have to say. Actually, I think the offer will be big and meaningful.
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December 18, 2012 6:09 PM - dibs
Lame ass terrorist wannabes in FLa arrested . They were planning to bomb Times Square but couldn't actually afford the explosives. Clearly Middle Eastern/South Asian Muslims.
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December 18, 2012 6:27 PM - Donatella
Yes dh and Delepp let's start a ch/fg activist org and let's meet at Mayflower. Don't worry Slopey, I wouldn't be obnoxious. At least no more than usual.

By the way I got a call from a real human from the NYPD, Officer Brathwaite from the 88th precinct. He told me the story and admitted that they didn't have much info. What did I see? Apparently the guy was shot in the leg and went to a relatives house and noticed he was shot!! Lo and behold. The cop wanted to see if I had seen anything. I felt so much better just talking to him. He said he would call me and invited me to the next meeting on Jan 15th.

Gun violence is frightening.
December 18, 2012 6:30 PM - dibs
"Yes dh and Delepp let's start a ch/fg activist org and let's meet at Mayflower. "

Activist drinkers is about all it'll be
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December 18, 2012 6:30 PM - Deleted
Yeah, gun violence sucks because there's always the potential for an innocent to get hit, because like life, criminals suck at aiming.

There was random violence and gangs in WB to a certain extent, but they liked to stab each other with knives and machetes and stuff, which is ok by me.
December 18, 2012 6:35 PM - dibs
In Asia, the method of choice is usually what we call a cleaver. The headlines usually read "chopped to death" or "chopper attack"
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December 18, 2012 6:38 PM - rf
The day of the Newtown massacre, some lunatic stabbed a big bunch of kids at a school in China.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57559179/china-school-knife-attack-leaves-23-injured/
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December 18, 2012 6:39 PM - Donatella
Activist drinkers...... You got to start somewhere.

Yeah dh you get more of a heads up with knives and machetes.
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December 18, 2012 6:43 PM - kazootite
""lady friends" get gifts?"

dh, if you don't get her something she may not be there in the future. holidays can be deal-breakers!
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December 18, 2012 6:59 PM - Legion
Hallelujah!

My usual Japanese restaurant opened up again this week and I just finished gorging on a take out meal with the family while listening to classic Christmas tunes.




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December 18, 2012 7:04 PM - sixyearsandcounting
re classic xmas tunes, I am usually in favor of them as opposed to the "Santa Claus Frosty Jingle Rudolph Winter Wonderland Snow Rock" muzak one hears in public these days. Preferably sung by someone Pete could have listened to in his youth.

However, I do make exceptions for Patti Smith's "We Three Kings" (thanks for posting, CGar!) and a few others.
Edited at December 18, 2012 7:04 PM
December 18, 2012 7:07 PM - CGar
You're quite welcome, Six. Did you listen to the Building 429 version?? Really nice too.
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December 18, 2012 7:12 PM - Deleted
"As most readers know, I have a son with Asperger’s, so it’s painful to read that Adam Lanza had Asperger’s — painful, not because we think that our son is more capable of this kind of thing than anybody else (and besides, it sounds like his Asperger’s is far less pronounced than Lanza’s), but because we know that we’re probably about to go through a phase in popular culture in which Aspie kids, who have a hard enough row to hoe, are going to be looked at as potential mass murderers. God help the Aspie boys and girls on the playground for the next few weeks.
I have a better idea now what American Muslims must have felt like after 9/11."

The man asks that his son not be judged due to his condition, but he has no trouble predicting that the American people will be indiscriminate.
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December 18, 2012 7:21 PM - Deleted
Drehrer's statement is symptomatic of what ails us today. What would it have taken to release a statement that appealed to the best of the American people? One whacko nutjob commits a horrific crime, for reasons yet to be determined, and all of a sudden Americans are ready to judge all people will this syndrome as mass-murderers. Could he give people some credit?
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December 18, 2012 7:22 PM - Deleted
ah benson comes in with strongly harshing the zen!


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December 18, 2012 7:23 PM - sixyearsandcounting
That's hardly an illogical conclusion, Benson, given our history. Certainly plenty of attention will be paid to those with Asperger's in the coming weeks, thanks to our relentless media. How is it irrational to expect that a significant portion of that attention will be negative and discriminatory?
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December 18, 2012 7:24 PM - Legion
The American public is not prepared for a frank discussion of mental disease as it pertains to criminality.

The reason for this is the same reason we are not allowed to say there is a "war on terror" and the reason President Bush's use of the term "evildoer" was treated with bemused derision as if it was a quaint anachronism.
(...and please, don't let's start interpreting my words as saying all criminals have a mental condition. Simply put, there are definite correlations between certain mental conditions and criminality or violence but these ideas are not usually fit for mass consumption in our current cultural milieu so they remain relegated to obscure psychiatry journals.)
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December 18, 2012 7:26 PM - Deleted
"That's hardly an illogical conclusion, Benson, given our history"

Oh bullshit. I won't argue the point. If that's how you want to view your fellow citizens, be my guest.
December 18, 2012 7:26 PM - Deleted
second time milieu has been used today.....for those of you keeping score at home. (and it wasn't even arkady)
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December 18, 2012 7:27 PM - Legion
haha dh,
I threw it in there just for you. ;o)
Edited at December 18, 2012 7:27 PM
December 18, 2012 7:28 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Let's list some examples:
- Japanese-Americans, post-Pearl Harbor
- anybody with leftist beliefs, early 1950s
- anybody with right-wing beliefs, post-Oklahoma City (and after the shooting of Gabby Giffords)
- Muslim Americans, post-9/11

In all of these cases, many Americans went out of their way to help, give the benefit of the doubt, protest against discrimination, you name it. But nobody would deny that many inside and outside of government judged these groups on collective terms, guilt by association, etc. If anyone here had a kid with Asperger's right now, I'm pretty sure they'd be more worried than usual about how that kid will be treated at school and elsewhere.
December 18, 2012 8:00 PM - Legion
sixyears,

To benson's point;
it is only in America that the self-flagellation in regards to national tragedies becomes a sort of media driven sport.
The rate at which these horrible events are experienced, reported and processed by our craven media has become a sort of sound-bite-head-spinning-stomach-churning-high-definition cacaphony of crap. The end result being another morsel of our national spirit crushed for the sake of an empty pose.

What the writer appears to be doing is playing a trifecta of victimization,
first the tragedy,
then the tragic repercussion and
finally his own vicarious victimization.

...come on.
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December 18, 2012 8:12 PM - Deleted
Other countries have shitty media too. Hello? The freakin UK?
Edited at December 18, 2012 8:11 PM
December 18, 2012 8:35 PM - Partridge
That suicide by Kate's nurse following the radio prank is being seen as an insane new media event and national tragedy in the UK. Televised funeral from India, 3 different suicide notes yet to be revealed...
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December 18, 2012 8:58 PM - More4Less
CGar, I actually like your table light like that. I was actually pitching for white chairs but wife over ruled me. Too matchy is not good either. So if it looks like big pain & $$$$ to stain it black, leave it as it looks nice.
Edited at December 18, 2012 8:58 PM
December 18, 2012 9:47 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
GE, PLUSAs. Speaking of Christmas songs. I was treated to some live singing of Christmas hymns out in front of Grace Church on Broadway this evening. I was in a hurry to get home, but had to stop and listen. It was truly lovely. I heard Christmas hymns—in my head—all the way home.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL5Ou0Lh2cQ
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December 18, 2012 10:09 PM - Donatella

I think subways are still working out issues relating to damage from Sandy. I was on the 4 train, stuck at Fulton Street for 12 minutes or so when the conductor announced that they were "going to be there for a while." Well, then there was an exodus off the train to go uptown via the 2 or 3. Which became jammed. And hot. I was jammed toward a pole and was uncomfortably close to somebody I feel comfortable calling a creep. A guy who was bouncing his leg - too close to me. I told him to quit it; my nerves were shot from that shooting last night (and not sleeping). Sometimes this city is too much.
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December 18, 2012 10:14 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
dona, I think you may be in need of a staycation day...sleep in, take yourself out for a mani/pedi, go to a movie/museum/event, drink wine, dinner out, drink wine. Rinse, repeat.

Oh, and don't cheap out, consider getting the 15-20 minute chair massage. You won't regret it.
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:19 PM
December 18, 2012 10:18 PM - Donatella

Yes, sounds good Cobble. I need to chill out. Maybe even a Victorian bed cure.
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:18 PM
December 18, 2012 10:20 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
"Maybe even a Victorian bed cure."

That could be Day 2 of a two day Staycation. Then you can lay in bed and look at your pretty toes. It's worth it. ; )
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December 18, 2012 10:27 PM - More4Less
Donatella, at this pace, you'll move back to Manhattan
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December 18, 2012 10:31 PM - Deleted
Common sense regarding gun violence, gun control and the violent mentally ill:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323723104578185271857424036.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:31 PM
December 18, 2012 10:34 PM - Donatella

I have to do some Christmas stuff to do but I definitely need to do that, Cobble. I tried to drink scotch last night and have came to the conclusion that I don't like it anymore. Which is amazing since I drank copious amounts of the stuff in my misspent youth. I like Irish whiskey - Jameson's. And wine. I have some wine here. Sounds like a VERY GOOD IDEA. Tomorrow will be a better day.

Well, good night Cobble. 'Night PLUSAs.

Edited at December 18, 2012 10:34 PM
December 18, 2012 10:38 PM - Donatella

You seem pretty happy in Manhattan M4L. I was on the Upper East Side tonight and I remember living up there. I like the East side better than the West side for the most part. Like you I like Murray Hill. I like Gramercy Park and then the 70s through 90s on the east side, particularly Carnegie Hill. And of course I like Washington Heights. Time will tell, M4L.

Well, now I'm really going to sleep. Good night everyone.
Edited at December 18, 2012 10:38 PM
December 18, 2012 10:39 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
dona, We're too old to do things we don't like doing. Experiment with other things. Figure out what you do like. That's the end of my cobble wisdom for this evening.

And now...I would like to get myself ready for bed...
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