Thursday Open Thread
September 20, 2012 5:47 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere

251 comments
September 20, 2012 5:49 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
It's morning. Ouch.
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#1
September 20, 2012 6:24 AM - Deleted
Morning sux
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#2
September 20, 2012 6:58 AM - Bedstuymaven
Good Morning
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#3
September 20, 2012 7:14 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
Good morning.

Something is waking BH and me up at 5am every morning. It must be a neighbor's alarm clock. I want to track it down and kill it.
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#4
September 20, 2012 8:04 AM - BoerumHillScott
I am loving this new relationship thing, but sleep would be nice too.
I wonder if I could just tell my boss "I have a new girlfriend, so I will be showing up to work 3 or 4 hours late for a while"
#5
September 20, 2012 8:09 AM - dibs
Yup, morning sex is great, Scott.
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#6
September 20, 2012 8:14 AM - Deleted
Crazy kids
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#7
September 20, 2012 8:18 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
BAH! This job is getting in the way of my blog posting! Off to work, I go...
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#8
September 20, 2012 8:22 AM - dibs
In Philly today and tomorrow. Painting kitcken ceiling white and painting kitchen and stairway walls Sherwin Williams's "Lazy Gray."
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#9
September 20, 2012 8:24 AM - Deleted
Lazy gray. Good nickname for mitt
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#10
September 20, 2012 8:25 AM - Arkady
You might want to check w/ CG before you do that, dibs. Looks like sky blue on my monitor.
#11
September 20, 2012 8:26 AM - Deleted
Getting my haircut In greenpoint for prob the last time today. Need to find a fancy salon in fg/ch to get my 40 dollar haircut. Suggestions?
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#12
September 20, 2012 8:28 AM - dibs
Arkady, forgive me but you're not really the one to consult with here on things computer related, grammar and spelling, maybe, but not computers and their monitors
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#13
September 20, 2012 8:31 AM - dibs
You can give these guys $40.
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#14
September 20, 2012 8:34 AM - Arkady
It's a given that your imagery would most likely be blue, dibs.
#15
September 20, 2012 8:37 AM - dibs
Arkady, try and differentiate between blue and blow. And that would be "blow" the verb not "blow" the noun. Now it would seem even your spelling expertise is faltering.
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#16
September 20, 2012 8:40 AM - Deleted
Dibs - in case you weren't following while you were gone - now repubs even hate Romney!
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#17
September 20, 2012 8:45 AM - the chicken
Is it all over for Romney now? That's the tone of the international press but not sure of how much to believe.
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#18
September 20, 2012 8:47 AM - Deleted
He will need to pwn Obama in the debates to have a chance I think. From what I've seen of him, highly unlikely.
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#19
September 20, 2012 8:48 AM - the chicken

#20
September 20, 2012 8:49 AM - Deleted
I'm sure legion will pop in to cite that rasmussen poll that has Romney up. Same poll that had McCain up the entire 2008 election. Lolz
#21
September 20, 2012 8:50 AM - the chicken
If 47% are not going to vote for him no matter what, what percent are not going to vote for Obama no matter what?
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#22
September 20, 2012 8:56 AM - Partridge
Nice looking cornice on POTD.

GM, folks.
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#23
September 20, 2012 8:56 AM - Legion
hahahahah,
Over for Romney?

...now dh is trying to discredit the scientific polling methods!

No my friends,
Obama has a full blown foreign policy meltdown on his hand with half the Middle East rioting.
His attempt to cover it up by blaming youtube.com has been a public relations disaster since now they have to admit that it was actually a planned Al Queda attack on 9.11 with our embassies left out there exposed and with advanced warning by Libyan officials.
His economy is in shambles, unfortunately for all of us with a recent downgrading once again
and
He's off partying with 800 Bottles of champagne at JayZ's while our "ally" Israel waits to hear what he wants to do about nuclear Iran.

...hahahahahaha, it's over.

btw gallup is now on board with Rasmussen dh. sorry :o(
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September 20, 2012 8:58 AM - Deleted
Legion - republican house and senate candidates are even distancing themselves from Romney now.
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#25
September 20, 2012 8:59 AM - dibs
Benson, as promised, the Borsalino store in Firenze.....
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#26
September 20, 2012 9:02 AM - the chicken
GM Partridge.

Legion, do both of those polls have Romney up now?
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#27
September 20, 2012 9:03 AM - Deleted
The problem is people like legion can articulate ideas better than the actual candidates can. Crash and burn
#28
September 20, 2012 9:03 AM - Legion
"Legion - republican house and senate candidates are even distancing themselves from Romney now."

That's funny,
same thing seems to be happening with Democrat candidates for Senate with regards to Obama.
Check out the U.S. Senate race in Montana.

By the way,
projections are for the Republicans to definitely take back the Senate. By about 3 seats.
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#29
September 20, 2012 9:06 AM - Deleted
Lol. Care to make a wager on that?
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#30
September 20, 2012 9:06 AM - Legion
chicken,

Rasmussen has Romney beating Obama.
Gallup has them in a dead heat.
Mind you, this is with 4-5% undecided. All past experience states that the undecided break against the incumbent when the rubber hits the road. With 47 days left, Obama better come up with 10 Trillion dollars and a balanced budget quick!
...add 5 Million jobs to that order as well.
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#31
September 20, 2012 9:07 AM - MontroseMorris
GM, all.

Bxgrl and I are headed downtown today, the first time I've really been out since I've been here. Overcast and cool, but should be a great day.

I've discovered I do have floors underneath all those boxes and bags. BTW, if you move, Ikea bags and those giant plaid dollar bags are the best for moving clothing, bedding and odds and ends.

Legion, keep drinking the kool-aid. Most of the people in this country do not want to be sucked into a stupid war with Iran, and do not look to Bibi for foreign policy advice. Do you Middle Eastern war mongers have any idea what a full out war with half the Middle East would entail? I believe it's called Armageddon.
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#32
September 20, 2012 9:12 AM - Legion
MM,

I'm not aware of Romney advocating war with Iran. I am aware though that this administration is doing very little in terms of forming a coordinated response to what appears to be a full blown meltdown in progress.
They weren't even prepared for the attacks on our embassies on 9.11!
It appears that this State Department was caught out there with no alternate policy besides the one Obama has promulgated from day one.
...we all see how that's turning out.
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#33
September 20, 2012 9:12 AM - Deleted
Armageddon is one way to deal with the national dbt
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#34
September 20, 2012 9:13 AM - MontroseMorris
Montana.....yeah, they represent the entire US.

"Jackals in our own major media?????" - Ah yes, anyone who does not work for Fox News. That name calling is really a bit much, don't you think?

It used to be anyone who disagreed with someone politically was just someone you disagreed with, now the right can't talk about the opposition without calling them are traitors, turn-coats, un-American, "socialists", or jackals. Really ups the civilization quotient, doesn't it? And please don't tell me Democrats do it too, because they don't come anywhere near the Right in attacks.
#35
September 20, 2012 9:17 AM - Legion
"Montana.....yeah, they represent the entire US."

MM,
there are only a handful of U.S. Senate seats in play.
Montana is one of them as well as Florida and North Dakota.
I assure you, all of these are legitimate U.S. states with actual Americans living there.
All of them are projected to go Republican in the Senate races.
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#36
September 20, 2012 9:19 AM - MontroseMorris
Legion, please. Any embassy is a little piece of US soil in a foreign country, and is dependent on a wide range of things provided by this country, including the military, state department, intelligence gathering, etc, all of whom share in protecting our turf. To blame Obama for what happened, like he personally let the mob in, is like blaming him for sunspots. After a while it just gets beyond ridiculous.

How about throwing some blame on the assh*le who made that trailer, knowing full well what something like that would do? What about him?
#37
September 20, 2012 9:20 AM - the chicken
As an outsider with no axe to grind or agenda to push, I would like to point out that I find it very interesting and educational when you all discuss politics reasonably and with civility, rather than with insults and strawmen.

Remember that the person you are "arguing" with already has their entrenched views and is highly unlikely to be swayed by your arguments. The person you need to convince is really a proxy for me - the undecided.
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#38
September 20, 2012 9:23 AM - Legion
"It used to be anyone who disagreed with someone politically was just someone you disagreed with, now the right can't talk about the opposition without calling them are traitors, turn-coats, un-American, "socialists", or jackals. Really ups the civilization quotient, doesn't it? And please don't tell me Democrats do it too, because they don't come anywhere near the Right in attacks."

What else do you call an entire profession which has abandoned all semblance of objectivity in favor of playing lapdogs?
A profession which is actually singled out by our Constitution for a special role in maintaining a vigilant watch against abuses in our government but which has allowed that very Constitution to be assaulted by executive order after executive order against the will of the States and the People themselves?

Think I'm overstating it? Take some time to read about the Fast and Furious debacle. Now heads are rolling at the Justice Department. Only now, and even under an Executive Order of Presidential Privilege which stands on the shakiest of grounds. Even now with a recalcitrant Attorney General in service to an Executive Branch rather than the People and the Constitution. Let's see how his Contempt of Congress proceedings go.
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#39
September 20, 2012 9:25 AM - MontroseMorris
I don't know why I bother, Chicken.

In fact, I'm off to unpack some more. It's more productive.

Later.
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September 20, 2012 9:27 AM - MontroseMorris
"What else do you call an entire profession which has abandoned all semblance of objectivity in favor of playing lapdogs?"

I could certainly say the same thing about Fox News, the Murdoch organization, and right wing talk radio.
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#41
September 20, 2012 9:27 AM - Deleted
I don't know where legion gets this stuff. Even fox news has been admitting this isn't going very well.
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#42
September 20, 2012 9:29 AM - Legion
"How about throwing some blame on the assh*le who made that trailer, knowing full well what something like that would do? What about him?"

MM,
You're not getting it.
This attack in Libya had nothing to do with some youtube video.
It had everything to do with a pre-planned attack by Al Queda and a former Guantanamo detainee who is now being sought.
The Libyan government had advanced warning and so did ours.
The fact that there were mobs attacking our embassies under the pretext of a youtube video was only a sad conicidence and commentary on our existing policy in those countries.

In short, youtube did not plan a coordinated attack on our Libyan embassy with assault rifles, rocket launchers and knowledge of our security protocols there.
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#43
September 20, 2012 9:30 AM - MontroseMorris
I'm not going to argue with you anymore Legion. It's pointless.
#44
September 20, 2012 9:31 AM - Legion
dh,
I'm getting this stuff from objective polling sources.
Add Nevada into the Senate mix now:

Thursday, September 20, 2012

Nevada’s U.S. Senate race is now a virtual tie.

"The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Nevada Voters finds incumbent Republican Dean Heller with 42% support, while his challenger, Democratic Congresswoman Shelley Berkley, gets 41% support."

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#45
September 20, 2012 9:31 AM - Legion
...ok,
gotta get to work.

Later.
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#46
September 20, 2012 9:33 AM - Legion
the chicken,

Please allow me to clarify something about the international press: THEY ARE UNABASHEDLY LIBERAL.
Where do you think the jackals in our own major media get their marching orders?

They know very little about the way Americans think, that's why they were completely surprised about 2010 results. That famous "shellacking".
This time is shaping up to be even worse although the American and International press are bending over into pretzel-like shapes to distort that image from coming through.

There is simply no way of spinning our dismal economic outlook and our dismal foreign policy outlook into anything but a complete failure of this administration.
Why do you think the President is not taking questions at press conferences and he's busy with pirates at the White House instead of Netanyahu?
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#47
September 20, 2012 9:35 AM - Partridge
Good afternoon, my feathery Euro-cousin!

The thing is, that there aren't any undecideds here. This is a strange place for political debate. No one here to sway or prove your point to. It becomes rather blah, blah, blah, blah-blah.

Giant fans don't become Patriots fans because there buddy tells when now great their quarterback is. Our teams are our teams and no one will abandon their team even if the other team made a good draft pick.
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#48
September 20, 2012 9:37 AM - rf
Elizabeth Warren takes slim lead in Massachusetts Senate race
Polls show that Elizabeth Warren has overturned a small deficit and now has a small lead over Sen. Scott Brown. But with both candidates' favorability ratings rising, the race remains tight.
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#49
September 20, 2012 9:40 AM - the chicken
It looks like most polls have Obama ahead, with one or two either Romney or too close to call.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Aren't these polls just a straight popular poll though, rather than the more nuanced system in place?

eg (assuming all states have equal importance)
State A - Obama 51%, Romney 49%
State B - Obama 51%, Romney 49%
State C - Obama 5%, Romney 95%

In this example, Romney has the popular vote but Obama gets 2 out of 3 states.

Is this basically how it works? If so, how do these polls take this into account?
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#50
September 20, 2012 9:42 AM - the chicken
Thanks Partridge - as a true "undecided" (or maybe I'm just apathetic?) perhaps I should be your bellwether of how the election is going?

It reminds me of an old Asimov short story where elections in the future are decided by one man.

I await your brownies and bribes....
#51
September 20, 2012 9:47 AM - Slopefarm
"Nice looking cornice on POTD"

Why, thank you very much.
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#52
September 20, 2012 9:47 AM - Partridge
Are you eligible to vote here? And you are undecided? Oh, sorry then. Carry on with the debate. Chicken is up for grabs!
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#53
September 20, 2012 9:47 AM - Deleted
Yeah. Popular vote doesn't matter. Polls in swing states are more telling - which paint an even grimmer picture for Romney
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#54
September 20, 2012 9:51 AM - Partridge
Are those butterfly bushes, Slope?
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#55
September 20, 2012 9:52 AM - the chicken
I don't have a vote in the US Partridge, but I do have a vested interest in a better country for the Egg.
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#56
September 20, 2012 9:55 AM - Slopefarm
"It reminds me of an old Asimov short story where elections in the future are decided by one man."

Yeah, we're close to that. Right now, I think it's down to twelve second-generation Puerto Rican men in their 40s living in suburban Tampa. Romey need five of them or he's toast.

Seriously, chicken, yeah it is about the electoral college, though on the rare occasions when the popular vote and electoral college diverge (with or without Supreme Court help -- see Bush 2000), the divergence is small. If you go to Nate Silver's blog, you get a good sense of which states are in play and what the recent polls show in each. Of course, if either candidate moves the needle nationally, it will drag individual states along, putting new ones in play and taking others out. The election is both national and local in that respect.


#57
September 20, 2012 9:56 AM - Slopefarm
crape myrtle, partridge. Snappy missed the peak -- it was totally awesome when it peaked.
#58
September 20, 2012 9:57 AM - Partridge
In that case, Chicken, I believe that the brownies would be better spent on the egg. Call it another entitlement.
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#59
September 20, 2012 9:58 AM - the chicken
On a housing-related note, have you seen that Trulia is now listed?

It's got a market cap of $500m. I've no idea whether that is over-valued or not but for comparison the UK equivalent, called Rightmove, has a market cap of $2.6bn.
#60
September 20, 2012 10:00 AM - the chicken
No brownies for the Egg! At least not until after she's finished her mains.

Think of me as The Government - I know what's best for the Egg. You should give your brownies to me and I will choose how to distribute them to her.
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#61
September 20, 2012 10:00 AM - Partridge
Yes, Slopey, I remember the APB going out during their peak. Are they the more typical deep/dark/rose color, or as they appear here, more lilac-like?
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#62
September 20, 2012 10:04 AM - the chicken
thanks for the tip on Nate Silver's blog Slopey - looking at it now and everything makes a little more sense now.
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#63
September 20, 2012 10:06 AM - dibs
Slopey...that's your house????? very nicely done. Very nice shade of blue/gray despite what the others are likely to say!!!!!

Finished the kitchen ceiling.
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#64
September 20, 2012 10:10 AM - Slopefarm
LOL, chicken.

Chicken, you know I am a partisan democrat and my vote is not in play, but I am not ready to call this election, not by a long shot. There are three debates and a volatile world that could yet factor in. but Obama is definitely in the better position at present, based both on aggregation of national polls and the electoral college map (Obama ahead in count of EC votes not in play, and doing at least slightly better than Romney at present in most swing states).

Issues aside, Romney needs to find some personal mojo to connect with enough additional voters to change the dynamic a bit. If you peel away the spin both sides are putting on Romney's whole string of gaffes -- insulting UK at Olympics, 47%, jumping the gun and distorting the timeline to take a cheap shot at Obama during the embassy attack -- it looks to me in my admittedly biased opinion like Romney the man does not come across as someone ready for prime time. But he has time to change that at the debates.
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#65
September 20, 2012 10:13 AM - Slopefarm
part -- pinker than lilac but a light hue. At peak there were just dozens and dozens more blooms. It was crazy. There is a butterfly bush as well and it blooms in much the same color.

dibs -- Hamilton Blue. And that's the new cornice.
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#66
September 20, 2012 10:23 AM - More4Less
RH files for $150M IPO
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#67
September 20, 2012 10:25 AM - More4Less
G-Men!!!!!!!!!!

it's going to be tough game against the young panthers. we need to win to set up a juicy game next week with them birds from Philly - who STILL has our number.
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#68
September 20, 2012 10:29 AM - More4Less
DH, the only salon I remotely remember in fg/ch is one by Lafayette C train stop (on corner of greene ave & fulton st). $40 cut is cheaper than what you used to pay - glad maturity is bringing you up the wisdom ladder (soon you'll land at barber shop)
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#69
September 20, 2012 10:29 AM - More4Less
slopey, POTD is your pad? nice. but did wish Snap snapped a pic where I can see the porch
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#70
September 20, 2012 10:37 AM - Partridge
Lovely, Slopey, just lovely. Hamilton Blue from BM's Historical Colors, right? Perfect, classic, elegant.

Slopefarm is a modern-day renaissance man. From historical restoration to haiku to yoga to legal arguments to swimming in the PJ's. Ain't nothing this guy can't do!
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#71
September 20, 2012 10:37 AM - rf
DH, I've heard good things about this place:
http://www.owlandpussycatsalon.com/
pricey though.
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#72
September 20, 2012 10:40 AM - rf
Oh, and DH, my friend I emailed you about may be a good one to ask.
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#73
September 20, 2012 10:41 AM - Legion
chicken,
Just to clairfy my beef with the "media" in this and how they're bending over backwards for Obama in this election.
Here is the exact way in which they are doing it behind the curtain:

Take the CBS/NYTimes poll which has Obama leading of course.
In this poll they have oversampled Democrats by 13%. No typo. They are asking a cross-section of voters with13% more Democrats who they will vote for.
Surprise, surprise, the poll comes out with Obama ahead by 3%.

That's why I call them "jackals". It is not only deceit on an institutional level, it is willful disregard of an honorable position in our democratic society.
This is the polling methodology currently in play with most of these organizations which lean Democrat.
Rasmussen has the good sense to give appropriate weight to the sample set.

That being said, all of us have agreed at one time or another that polls taken this far out are meaningless to some degree as there is always the element of chance events over the next two months.
Just to drive this point home in favor of Romney,
in 1980 Reagan was down by over 5% to Carter in the middle of October.
Dukakis was ahead of Bush I late into the season as well.
It was all considered a done deal with the tricks and schemes they pulled off in the polling before hand.

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#74
September 20, 2012 10:44 AM - the chicken
You raise a valid point about the media Legion but surely the positive that you can take away from that is that there is enough transparency that you knew they were over-polling democrats?

And these polls are just a way to keep score until the big day, right? (or to track the incremental movements due to individual statements or events) None of the polls matter once the big day comes.


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#75
September 20, 2012 10:44 AM - DeLepp
slopes, great color and terrific cornice, godspeed with the woodframe.
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#76
September 20, 2012 10:45 AM - the chicken
I guess my point is that polls may be disingenuous but I'd only be upset if the polls themselves distorted voter behaviour (eg if some people don't bother voting because they think their guy is massively ahead when actually it's a close race).
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#77
September 20, 2012 10:47 AM - Slopefarm
I'm going to ignore about 95% of legions's post and agree with one small sliver. It is lazy journalism to take any one poll and report it as news. You have to look at aggregates of polls and clear trends across polls and time, and examine the sampling biases of the polls you report on. All of these polls have sampling biases -- cell phones or not, likely vs registered voters, many other methodological issues. Like a mutual fund, you measure polls against benchmark -- some have clear historical biases (evident in 2008 elections and some 2012 primaries) skewing for or against cetrtain groups of voters and therefore candidates. For the same reason, I do not make arguments here from single polls -- Rasmussen, Gallup, Fox, CBS, Reuters, etc.
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#78
September 20, 2012 10:48 AM - Slopefarm
Thanks, delepp. Godspeed, indeed. The house is a living breathing thing and talk about moochers . . .
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#79
September 20, 2012 10:49 AM - BoerumHillScott
There was a movie 4 years ago about the presidental election being decided by Kevin Costner.

I find Nate Silver's blog to be the best source of election analysis, although I read others as well.

I am a moderate who likes political discussions, but not the ones here lately.

And I am still in a great mood.
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#80
September 20, 2012 10:57 AM - More4Less
I'm hungry and it's still 1 hr from lunch time.
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#81
September 20, 2012 10:57 AM - Slope4Eva
Received a phone call yesterday asking to speak to the youngest registered voter in the house. She wasn't home. The next person called may have given the opposite answers/opinions my daughter would have. I pay no attention to polls, I make my choices based on my own research (and sometimes, just a gut feeling).
Edited at September 20, 2012 10:57 AM
#82
September 20, 2012 10:59 AM - Legion
chicken,

The definition of transperancy is elusive when it comes to human nature and the course of democratic voting.
Americans are a people who have become complacent in their understanding of the way information is delivered for their consumption. Assumptions of truth and honesty are made on nothing more than a haircut and a suit these days because we are accustomed to the stakes being no higher than paying 25% tax or 35% tax.
The existing media insitutions have been using that complacency to not only drive the debate but the outcome to whatever extent they are capable.
Ultimately, the people themselves will speak and that's where we have the hindsight to see who was being willfully manipulative and who was being honest.
...even then we have short memories and those sentiments soon pass.
Rasmussen was the most accurate polling outfit in the last few elections precisely because they decided to stick to the honesty of science and math rather than dive into the subjective muck.
Edited at September 20, 2012 10:59 AM
#83
September 20, 2012 11:00 AM - Slopefarm
Congrats on your good mood, scott, and the source of it. A difficult year for you, so nice to see some good karma finding you.

And, yeah, we used to be able to discuss political tidbits here without setting off a war every time. I can't imagine we'll ever not talk politics, here, but it would be great if we could find a way not to treat this blog like a sunday morning political talk show. No one's votes are changing here (and NY isn't in play anyway). Even the moderates are not going to be swayed by what any of us say. So, since we are a rare community that has stayed together despite huge differences in perspective, can we at least try to play with this stuff a little without escalating the temperature every time? I approach this stuff both as a partisan and also someone who used to work on political campaigns so I really enjoy the mechanics. But I often avoid posting something on what i see of the mechanics out of fear of touching off another war.

Everyone, is it worth trying to just pretend this is a water cooler and we're all in the same workplace break room stopping by for a chat. Talk to each other that way, even about politics. Think we can do it?
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#84
September 20, 2012 11:01 AM - Legion
"I am a moderate who likes political discussions, but not the ones here lately"

...perhaps because you are not as "moderate" as you would like to believe?
#85
September 20, 2012 11:01 AM - Slopefarm
Eva -- for some reason I keep getting a call from a pollster wanting to talk to me about Rhode Island. Each time I tell them I live in Brooklyn, NY and ask whether they really want my opinion. They don't know how I got on the list. They are very nice and it has become very funny.
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#86
September 20, 2012 11:05 AM - Arkady
I got a poll call from what was patently a conservative group. I was afraid the guy was going to have a coronary by the time we reached the end.
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#87
September 20, 2012 11:06 AM - More4Less
too many peeps take the posts here too freaking serious and over-react. we're nobodies just mouthing off here. not like we have a legion of followers to sway.
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#88
September 20, 2012 11:06 AM - Slope4Eva
I love RI. I'll put in a good word for you next time I'm there!

I second Slopey's 11AM, although I don't get involved in these discussions. Yesterday we had a lovely day here, I slacked off on my housework, a little.
#89
September 20, 2012 11:10 AM - BoerumHillScott
I would vote for 1988/92 George Bush or 1994 Bob Dole over 2012 Obama.
My positions on the key issues encompass Democat, Republican, Libertarian, and undefined viewpoints.
I feel comfortable calling myself a moderate.

Edited at September 20, 2012 11:10 AM
#90
September 20, 2012 11:17 AM - Bedstuymaven
Hello all. Goodbye all.
Edited at September 20, 2012 11:17 AM
#91
September 20, 2012 11:17 AM - Slopefarm
Legion, it sounds like you are expecting some deference to your experience. You have no monopoly on experience that leads to your conclusions. Nor would I characterize the GOP contingent here as the "opposition." Compared with NYC as a whole, you are way over-represented -- i.e., You, dibs, benson, delepp, Dcat, jackal (when he posts), etson, etc. and you all articulate your views well. While this can certainly be directed to many on both sides, I hope you can chill and enjoy the banter here. I remember an exchange jackal and I had about 6 months ago with both of us predicting that we won't be talking to each other by November. We're getting close. The political passions run deeply on both sides here. Let's just recognize that and see if there is a way we can digest, banter and even vent when we need about politics but keep it a bit lighter.
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#92
September 20, 2012 11:20 AM - Slopefarm
Come back, maven and change the subject. What do you want to talk about?
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#93
September 20, 2012 11:20 AM - Slope4Eva
Twiggy got fat!!
#94
September 20, 2012 11:20 AM - rf
Thank you Slopey. And thank you Scott, although I am sure we disagree plenty in our political views.
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#95
September 20, 2012 11:23 AM - Arkady
I'm a proud, knee-jerk, Democrat liberal. But I enjoy reading other points of view just to see how supposedly intelligent people can have reached what I consider to be misguided opinions. This year it's been particularly interesting (& gratifying) to follow David Brooks's evolving position on Mittens.
#96
September 20, 2012 11:23 AM - Legion
"Legion, it sounds like you are expecting some deference to your experience. You have no monopoly on experience that leads to your conclusions. "

Not at all,
from the start, my position has been one of an open exchange of ideas. Politics being one of them.
I only state some of my "creds" as a counterpoint to the "legion as crackpot" narrative that starts to bring the heat into the discussion.
If people can't stand the exchange of ideas which are informing the world around them, well there's really nothing I can do about that.
Edited at September 20, 2012 11:23 AM
#97
September 20, 2012 11:26 AM - Legion
arkady,
I am open to any and all questions about how I have come to my conclusions and positions.
...assuming of course, that I'm one of the "supposedly intelligent" people you speak of.
Edited at September 20, 2012 11:26 AM
#98
September 20, 2012 11:29 AM - Slopefarm
"supposedly" being the operative word, of course. ;)

And with that, I'm ready to drop the topic, though not sure I care to comment on Twiggy. More of a girl thing (resenting impossibly thin female models and experiencing schadenfreude when they blow up like blimps later in life), I take it.
Edited at September 20, 2012 11:29 AM
#99
September 20, 2012 11:29 AM - sixyearsandcounting
I'm with Slopey on most points here.

I voted for the Libertarian in 1996, Bush in 2000, write-in in 2004, Obama in 2008. My bookshelf is full of Reagan biographies. 99% sure I'll vote for Obama again this time. My vote might be in play if Huntsman was the Republican nominee, but he's not. Or Ron Paul - I think the system is basically fucked, but as long as it's in place, I'd prefer someone like Obama or Huntsman over Romney/GWB/Perry.

Btw, if anyone wants a consistently good conservative columnist to read, they should take a look at Daniel Larison.
September 20, 2012 11:30 AM - Legion
... I too have no problem turning to the topic of Fat Twiggy.
Good to see she's able to enjoy a cheeseburger now.
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September 20, 2012 11:31 AM - More4Less
there goes the mortgage rates again. come on 3% 30 yr fixed. come to daddy.
Edited at September 20, 2012 11:31 AM
September 20, 2012 11:33 AM - Partridge
Agree with y'all. I hate the Legion is a crackpot as much as rf, you are a moron talk here. Why the insults, really! They serve no purpose. The What was a convenient whipping post. Since his departure, too many stray, pent up insults landing on others. IMHO.
Edited at September 20, 2012 11:33 AM
September 20, 2012 11:35 AM - More4Less
Part, you have nice eyes.
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September 20, 2012 11:36 AM - Partridge
Ass kissing panda!
September 20, 2012 11:37 AM - More4Less
hey, you been working out?
Edited at September 20, 2012 11:37 AM
September 20, 2012 11:43 AM - Legion
[...learning from M4L]

I haven't met them but I'm sure partridge and slope4eva are just as charming in real life as their avatars.
}:o)
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September 20, 2012 11:47 AM - Partridge
Would love you to join us at my place next week, Legion. You too, BSM! Out-of-towners -- your silence is understood, but sad. : (
September 20, 2012 11:48 AM - sixyearsandcounting
Partridge, do you really have to hold a party on a Monday!? Worst night of my week except Tuesday!
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September 20, 2012 11:49 AM - More4Less
Legion, I've met Part and she is legit Amazon warrior. not so sure I buy that 4Eva is also Amazon warrior built.
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September 20, 2012 11:51 AM - More4Less
6, would you like Part to shut her store down on a busy day to accommodate the PLUSAs invading her abode. girl's got to work to pay the bills.
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September 20, 2012 11:52 AM - sixyearsandcounting
Can't believe M4L actually suggested that livelihood comes before PLUSAs...
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September 20, 2012 11:53 AM - MontroseMorris
Part, I wish I could come to your party! I'll be there in spirit.
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September 20, 2012 11:53 AM - Slope4Eva
Legion, you are soooooooo correct. :-)

M4L, maybe not an amazon warrior build, but height, yes. Ask CGar.
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September 20, 2012 11:55 AM - More4Less
4Eva, as CGar says often "everything is tall and big to me" - ie not appropriate reference person on this topic. Part is mad tall - ie I look up when I talk to her. I'll believe you when I too have to look up to talk to you.
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September 20, 2012 11:56 AM - More4Less
6, BK is mad expensive now - ie even the trust fd's sch'd monthly payouts can't cover the rising cost of living BK Style. I moved to manhattan cause it's cheaper by a large margin - can't afford BK
September 20, 2012 12:00 PM - Slope4Eva
haha, CGar is so cute. I'm just shy of 5'10".
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September 20, 2012 12:00 PM - sixyearsandcounting
I hear ya, M4L. Luckily (from that point of view) I don't have kids or anyone to support but me, and the mortgage is paid off. Otherwise this grad student stipend wouldn't cut it for me - unless I was married to a real sugar mama, that is.
Edited at September 20, 2012 12:00 PM
September 20, 2012 12:01 PM - Partridge
Sorry, 6. Work it out. Every other night I work to 7.

MM we miss you!

Legion, Eva is an amazon too. She is the thin one. Me, not so much. One Halloween in the 1970's I was centerfold of the Daily News dressed as Wonder Woman. The caption read: It's a wonder this women's marrow doesn't freeze. It was a particularly cold year. Later, Sheena was a nickname with one of my bf's.

The legend lives.
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September 20, 2012 12:04 PM - Arkady
I loom large in my own legend...
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September 20, 2012 12:04 PM - sixyearsandcounting
I'll try, Partridge...just have to plow through 1000 or so pages of reading by then :(

On a different note:
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/09/low-income-smokers-in-new-york-spend-25-of-their-income-on-cigarettes/262627/
Edited at September 20, 2012 12:04 PM
September 20, 2012 12:05 PM - More4Less
4Eva, ok, you're pretty tall too. think Part is closer to 6'
September 20, 2012 12:05 PM - Slope4Eva
I wouldn't say thin, but thanks, I'll take it.
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September 20, 2012 12:06 PM - the chicken
"Part is mad tall - ie I look up when I talk to her"

Just how tall is Partridge?!?!
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September 20, 2012 12:09 PM - Legion
thanks partridge,
It would be great to go but unfortunately Monday is a scheduling conflict for me due to the little ones.
I know it's unfair of me to bring them up but littlelegion and legiongirl are two very cute and time consuming individuals.
:o(
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September 20, 2012 12:09 PM - Partridge
6 even.
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September 20, 2012 12:09 PM - rf
I used to be 5'10". Wait til you start shrinking. My 89-year-old dad used to be 6'1" and is now 5'9".
September 20, 2012 12:11 PM - Partridge
There is a whole club of us. rf, MM, Eva, Cobble and me.
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September 20, 2012 12:13 PM - Legion
"One Halloween in the 1970's I was centerfold of the Daily News dressed as Wonder Woman. "

I'm suddenly awash in childhood memories of Jamie Lee Curtis, Halloween movies, aromatic candy and Linda Carter as Wonder Woman. :o)
September 20, 2012 12:14 PM - Slope4Eva
RF, the joke in my family is my mother swears she's growing, lol. I'm looking forward to shrinking a bit. I LOVE big, platform, spikey heels.
September 20, 2012 12:15 PM - More4Less
see, I was right that Part is closer to 6'.

rf, power down them big calcium pills to halt the shrinking
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September 20, 2012 12:17 PM - More4Less
Legion, Linda Carter was like a goddess to me when I first landed on the states. color TV - a first. then this gorgeous tall hottie in swim suit outfit - wowwwwwwwwwww. Linda is an all-time babe.
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September 20, 2012 12:18 PM - the chicken
The Chicken Lover (South Park reference) is pretty tall but I think she'd feel short next to you guys.
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September 20, 2012 12:19 PM - Slope4Eva
So how tall are you guys?
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September 20, 2012 12:22 PM - More4Less
4Eva, you showing up to Part's abode Mon?
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September 20, 2012 12:24 PM - Slope4Eva
Yes, I plan to. Looking forward to it.
Edited at September 20, 2012 12:24 PM
September 20, 2012 12:25 PM - the chicken
I'm a shade under 6'1". I can also hide behind lamp posts.
Edited at September 20, 2012 12:25 PM
September 20, 2012 12:27 PM - Slope4Eva
Nice, Chicken. Trust me the weight will catch up, enjoy your thin youth.
Edited at September 20, 2012 12:27 PM
September 20, 2012 12:28 PM - More4Less
if no shrinkage (not that kind) recently, 5' 10". I'm still growing horizontally - hence the diet/exercise recently (ie getting too well-rounded literally)
Edited at September 20, 2012 12:28 PM
September 20, 2012 12:30 PM - the chicken
"Nice, Chicken. Trust me the weight will catch up, enjoy your thin youth."

Eva, it wasn't a boast! I've been trying to put on weight for years - I'm definitely no spring chicken!
Edited at September 20, 2012 12:30 PM
September 20, 2012 12:31 PM - Slope4Eva
M4L, you make it sound like you're short. That's average height. CUT OUT THE SWEETS/CAKES if you want to drop a few pounds. Me? No thanks, I like 'em too much.
Edited at September 20, 2012 12:31 PM
September 20, 2012 12:32 PM - More4Less
DH towers over me.
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September 20, 2012 12:33 PM - More4Less
4Eva, me too. I rather kill myself doing exercises than to cut out my fav food
September 20, 2012 12:39 PM - Slope4Eva
I have a feeling I'm picturing DH way differently then he looks. I only know for sure that he is young. Most of you I have obviously no clue, but there are certain things I can pick up from conversations, and, some of you have posted pics at one time or another.
Edited at September 20, 2012 12:39 PM
September 20, 2012 12:39 PM - rf
M4L, thanks for the tip, I already take those gigantic calcium pills (as does my ever-shrinking dad). At age 64, I think it's inevitable.
Edited at September 20, 2012 12:39 PM
September 20, 2012 12:44 PM - Slope4Eva
RF, years ago I went to a formal dance with our church (hundreth anniversary maybe). One of my mother's friend's spagetti strap dress kept stretching throughout the night. I was the funniest thing, her friends had to keep repinning the straps. It looked like she was the incredible shrinking woman.
September 20, 2012 12:47 PM - Deleted
You can blame all of the nastiness of the recent debates on me. I'm the guy without any social graces. May I admit that I chuckled when I read Slopey's statement that the tenor of the debates sometimes makes him hold back? Yes, I can imagine a guy who was an operative for Bella Abzug holding back.

In the meantime....

....this morning I walked the streets of Gravesend hitting up people for donations to Russell Gallo, my friend who is running for State Assemblyman. He is making big inroads with the Russian and Orthodox Jewish communities. Next week we are holding a fundraiser at the Ronald Reagan Republican club in Brighton Beach - a 100% Russian club.

Attached is a photo of the gift we will be giving away: a bottle of "Romney/Ryan Red". Can I put down anyone for an order?

Tah-tah.
September 20, 2012 12:49 PM - Slope4Eva
Twiggy got fat.
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September 20, 2012 12:50 PM - Donatella
I am not a happy camper re a lot Obama has done. He has a very bad energy policy if you can even call it that, he has shown real ignorance with his comments on capital markets and financial services and I do not agree with the Democratic party on its abortion platform. This administration has a real tin ear on things related to religious practice. Afghanistan and the Petraeus designed counterinsurgency strategy is a disaster. So am I a happy camper dying to vote for Obama? No. So I was interested to see what we would get from Romney. I am not impressed at all. So thats it for me.
Edited at September 20, 2012 12:50 PM
September 20, 2012 12:55 PM - Slopefarm
"Romney/Ryan Red" -- cute, benson. As I posted last week about the Jesse Helms bumper sticker, I enjoy a good campaign gimmick from either side of the aisle. I'm also glad you are out there campaigning. I think it is a good thing for people to do, whatever their beliefs. Though, like the Romney campaign itself, I suspect it lacks clarety.

"Yes, I can imagine a guy who was an operative for Bella Abzug holding back."

I do, here. I rarely start the political discussion and when it gets heated, I try (not always successfully) to disengage, tell a joke, pun or something. Since you really are still here, I wish you could find a way to enjoy yourself.
Edited at September 20, 2012 12:55 PM
September 20, 2012 12:57 PM - Slopefarm
Oh, and anyone who has ever been on a Bella Abzug campaign learns to hold back. Unfortunately, it was usually Bella we had to hold back.
Edited at September 20, 2012 12:57 PM
September 20, 2012 1:01 PM - Slopefarm
dona, I suspect you and I could sit down over a beer (or a shot) and discuss our differing political perspectives amicably, and get beyond talking points to have an interesting discussion. It used to seem like almost any combination of us here could do that. In fact, I remember benson and bx having a vary amicable and frank discussion at Ellis. that was one of the things I liked best about this community.
Edited at September 20, 2012 1:01 PM
September 20, 2012 1:03 PM - rf
And what year were you a political operative for Bella Abzug?
September 20, 2012 1:03 PM - the chicken
"No. So I was interested to see what we would get from Romney. I am not impressed at all. So thats it for me."

Donatella, you could always vote for another party? There was a website that you could answer a few questions (which you could then place different weightings to) that would show you how each candidate aligns to your views and values.
September 20, 2012 1:05 PM - rf
Donatella, how fat is Twiggy? I googled a bit and she didn't look very fat in the images I saw but maybe she's really careful where she allows herself to be photographed.
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September 20, 2012 1:05 PM - Slopefarm
1986, rf. Slogan: "Our Strongest Voice for Westchester!" (I did not come up with that, but can't hide the fact that she had a big mouth.)
Edited at September 20, 2012 1:05 PM
September 20, 2012 1:07 PM - Slopefarm
I was a very low level operative in the field office. I had blissfully little contact with the candidate.
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September 20, 2012 1:15 PM - More4Less
we're like cigarettes to benson. he would like to quit us but he just can't do it. he'll soon succumb.
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September 20, 2012 1:16 PM - Slopefarm
Is there an OT version of the patch?
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September 20, 2012 1:33 PM - Slopefarm
What did I say? (And no one liked my clarety pun? WTF arkady?)
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September 20, 2012 1:45 PM - Deleted
I'm 6'3" ish
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September 20, 2012 1:46 PM - Deleted
(responding to earlier question))
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September 20, 2012 1:52 PM - BoerumHillScott
I'm right at 6'3.
I guess everyone is out for their nooners or naps.
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September 20, 2012 1:53 PM - Donatella
Chicken, on one of those "tests", I measured as pretty much 50-50 for Romney to Obama. I had the closest affinity to the Green Party re platforms at 88%, then the Democratic Party at 74%. I am a registered Democrat.

Slopey, I am sure that we would have a good discussion politically. In fact, I think the whole point of having a political discussion is not to "represent" but to try to clarify, explain, and learn. If you are sure of yourself, then to convert. There is too much violence in the way people talk to one another. I am sick of it.

rf, ok, Twiggy is not fat. Meaning she is not obese, but she is not slim anymore. She is slightly chubby. But for people who grew up with her anorexic version of pulchritude, it is a thing of joy to see her jowls and pudge.
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September 20, 2012 1:56 PM - Slopefarm
"There is too much violence in the way people talk to one another. I am sick of it. "

Agreed. I think that was what I was trying to say and I was holding us up as a counterexample. I respect how you express your political views here.

Edited at September 20, 2012 1:56 PM
September 20, 2012 2:01 PM - Partridge
For those still googling "Twiggy Fat" this is as fat and as recent as I can find her. April 12, 2012. I would LOVE to be this fat. I am much younger though, and I have better hair. ; )
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September 20, 2012 2:05 PM - Donatella

Hmm, well she looked chubbier on TV last night. Definitely not like the above.
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September 20, 2012 2:13 PM - Donatella

But hey, the point is that Twiggy is not a stick goddess anymore - my little girlfriends and I were tormented by this creature.
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September 20, 2012 2:17 PM - Partridge
Sorry, Dona. I understand your excitement about her obesity, but in reality, she looks like she is 63 years old and no longer anorexic.
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September 20, 2012 2:26 PM - dibs
I would be more attractive to more younger guys on Silverdaddies if I were fatter.
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September 20, 2012 2:30 PM - Slopefarm
"I would be more attractive to more younger guys on Silverdaddies if I were fatter."

Really? Lots of young guys looking for fat versions of you? The more you tell us of this little demi monde of yours, the less i understand it.

Edited at September 20, 2012 2:30 PM
September 20, 2012 2:34 PM - Deleted
Some women out there take great enjoyment when skinny women get fat (Jessica Simpson??)
Edited at September 20, 2012 2:34 PM
September 20, 2012 2:35 PM - Donatella

I didn't say she was obese. I said that she was jowly and chubby. And she was on TV. Do you know why I even brought this up? Because she was an obnoxious, ubiquitous anorexic torturous presence in my youth. Give me a break.
September 20, 2012 2:35 PM - dibs
It would seems so, at least on Silverdaddies. I think Silverdaddies has a slight reputation for more "bearish daddies" than what I'll refer to as "classic daddies" or gentlemen. But I have a lot of luck on craigslist for not being fatter.
Edited at September 20, 2012 2:35 PM
September 20, 2012 2:41 PM - rf
Really, Dave? They like some flesh on the bones?
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September 20, 2012 2:41 PM - Slope4Eva
Leave Dona alone. This was bullying of the 1960's. There was no one out there telling young girls this is NOT the way to look, this is NOT healthy. Well maybe there was, but I don't remember it. OK, this is extreme, but we were just being silly last night before bedtime, enjoying a healthier looking Twiggy.
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September 20, 2012 2:42 PM - Donatella
Thank you, Eva. Yes it was. It was the bullying of our adolescence.
September 20, 2012 2:45 PM - DeLepp
they are called chubby chasers, if you watch "The Ritz" with treat williams and rita moreno you'll understand.
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September 20, 2012 2:50 PM - DeLepp
eva, better than the gays as we had liberace and the marlboro man.
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September 20, 2012 2:53 PM - Slope4Eva
I even fell for the Marlboro Man/Men. My grandmother loved Liberace.

September 20, 2012 2:54 PM - Bedstuymaven
I never had an issues with being over-weight. Black men like women with meat on their bones. When I was a teenager, I was told I was too skinny and my only saving grace was my butt.
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September 20, 2012 2:54 PM - Slope4Eva
Thank heaven for Ann Margret and Raquel Welch. They gave us a whole other issue to worry about (our boobs growing), but at least they were healthy looking women.
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September 20, 2012 2:55 PM - Arkady
Don't blame her, it wasn't Twiggy's fault you were bullied. You had shitty friends!
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September 20, 2012 2:57 PM - Donatella

Liberace!!! Yes!! Those candelabra!! Those sequined jackets!!

About Raquel Welch (and Sophia Loren too, though she was older), so true. It wasn't until I got a little older that guys would sincerely say how they really didn't like skinny women and I struggled to believe them.
Edited at September 20, 2012 2:57 PM
September 20, 2012 2:57 PM - DeLepp
michael douglas is portraying liberace in a film soon with matt damon as the boytoy, looks cringetastic.
Edited at September 20, 2012 2:57 PM
September 20, 2012 2:57 PM - Slope4Eva
BSM, growing up my best friends were all chubby Italian girls. I'd always be told by their families, "don't you eat? come sit down and eat" all the time. That used to bother me, alot.
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September 20, 2012 2:58 PM - Bedstuymaven
I ran cross country track in high-school so I was really lean
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September 20, 2012 3:01 PM - Donatella


Sorry, but I don't understand, Arkady. At all. This is my signal to get back to work.

Later.
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September 20, 2012 3:04 PM - Slope4Eva
Arkady, the magazines themselves were the bullies. And besides, YOU were one of those London chicks back then, lol, I'm still jealous of the fact you were in London during those years. Oh, to be a Yardley model was my ambition.

DeLepp, I don't know if I'm ready to see MD in that role. I think he'll look too perfect for it. Matt Damon does nothing for me.


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September 20, 2012 3:18 PM - Bedstuymaven
EVA - I still get that. Last week the ghetto neighbor call me a skinny bitch. I was in the grocery store a couple year back buying supplies for lasagna, I have lean ground meat, and skimmed mozallea and ricotta cheese. A looked in my cart and said "What are you on a diet or something, you need to eat some food." She was obese and had the family backs of meat, no veggies and ton of process food.

I had a tummy before my surgery - not that it is gone I have gotten some snide remarks from woman who are my friends about how skinny I am.
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September 20, 2012 3:18 PM - Legion
"No one's votes are changing here (and NY isn't in play anyway). Even the moderates are not going to be swayed by what any of us say. So, since we are a rare community that has stayed together despite huge differences in perspective, can we at least try to play with this stuff a little without escalating the temperature every time? I approach this stuff both as a partisan and also someone who used to work on political campaigns so I really enjoy the mechanics. But I often avoid posting something on what i see of the mechanics out of fear of touching off another war. "

I like the spirit of your post slopefarm but the posters here have to understand one thing about the "conservative opposition" here. That is: we are neither neophytes nor Monday morning quarterbacks. My commitment to real world change has me just as active in my real life endeavors. It may be no secret that I had no small part in electing a Republican Congressman to office in a New York district which leans heavily Democratic. In fact, I was just on the phone with a Democratic State Senator this morning about another matter.
Perhaps this will clarify my, perhaps aggressive, posture on politics as I'm sure it clarifies your standing with regards to the same.


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September 20, 2012 3:18 PM - More4Less
I was only skinny for a brief while when I had that huge growth spurt 1 summer. other than that, always chubby
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September 20, 2012 3:22 PM - BoerumHillScott
I was chubby growing up, but I went through a skinny phase from around 25 to 33, and have been slowly gaining ever since then, until around 6 weeks ago I was getting close to my all time high.

In the last 6 weeks I am down around 10 pounds, but going out to eat with the new girlfriend all the time is impacting my weigh loss plans.
Edited at September 20, 2012 3:22 PM
September 20, 2012 3:27 PM - Slope4Eva
Scott, pretty soon the three of you will be sitting at home eating home cooked meals again. Then you can knock a few pounds off. A new relationship always seems to involve alot of eating out.
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September 20, 2012 3:28 PM - Slope4Eva
You can't call someone fat, but you can say all you want to skinny folks. That can be hurtful too, for me that was a very, very, long time ago. Well, being healthy is all that matters anyway.
September 20, 2012 3:29 PM - dibs
I gained weight in Italy
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September 20, 2012 3:29 PM - Slope4Eva
Dave, I gained weight just reading about all your meals!
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September 20, 2012 3:55 PM - Slopefarm
Only time I was skinny was right after a five week bike trip in Europe when i was 17. Trim and in good shape -- we biked about 40m/day most days -- a few breaks in cities. There's one pic of me from then and whenever Mrs. Slopey sees it she asks why I can't be THAT guy again.
Edited at September 20, 2012 3:55 PM
September 20, 2012 4:07 PM - Donatella

I was athletic and not a bit fat when I was in high school but was convinced I was. Same with my best friend. I was a competitive swimmer and was in great shape. But I was never skinny. Ever. When I "grew up" I always had to watch my weight.
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September 20, 2012 4:43 PM - Slopefarm
I should add that it was an American Youth Hostels ("AYH") bike trip. More lightly supervised than trips run by other outfits -- one counselor, not two, for 10 kids, no van, etc. We biked using a drop system that let us get fairly spread out. Once two of us stopped in to a roadside bar in rural Holland and loaded up our water bottles with draft beer. Amazing we didn't get caught with beer breath. Mrs. Slopey told me that she was on a bike trip the same summer in Vermont and whenever the counselors imposed a constraint that the kids didn't like, they would start chanting "AYH! AYH!" because AYH was known to be more lax.
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September 20, 2012 4:44 PM - rf
I don't think Twiggy was responsible for her image as a very skinny glamor girl. She was very young herself then and I am sure there were plenty of people who made money off of her. Not that that made her a victim, necessarily, but she was just a pretty face and body whose image was made and promoted by others.
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September 20, 2012 4:49 PM - Arkady
Justin Devilleneuve was Svengali to Twiggy. I interviewed them once for an Australian t.v. show called Now Time & she didn't utter a word.
September 20, 2012 4:56 PM - More4Less
am down 9 lbs. still 1 more lb before I shed all the weight gained from the in-law visit trip. think I've hit the wall so time to pop into the gym to lift weights if I want to shed more
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September 20, 2012 5:11 PM - Bedstuymaven
I just looked up a current picture of Twiggy. She looks good. She is 63.
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September 20, 2012 5:16 PM - Bedstuymaven
M4L - we like our pandas a little round.
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September 20, 2012 5:21 PM - DeadCatBounce
Hi everyone.
Working my ass off again at work.
Just wanted to say that contrary to widely held opinion here I am not a Republican.
I can not bring myself to vote for Obama because he is leading this country in directions which I don't believe can work. I could care less about his party affiliation, though.

Edited at September 20, 2012 5:21 PM
September 20, 2012 5:28 PM - CGar
Losers.

Looks like I'm going to be up VERY late packing. Just got home from the 2-day offsite. Movers arrive at 8:30am. Still feeling like total shit, so hoping this doesn't turn into an all nighter.
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September 20, 2012 5:36 PM - Bedstuymaven
Current Video of Twiggy. I don't she is fat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYMwcKoH8Lg
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September 20, 2012 5:46 PM - Bedstuymaven
Good luck CGRAR
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September 20, 2012 6:17 PM - Arkady
I'd think Mary Quant & YSL & Courreges et al bear more responsibility for girls' aspirations in the 60s.
September 20, 2012 6:28 PM - Deleted
Oh snap. Arkady knows what's up.
Edited at September 20, 2012 6:28 PM
September 20, 2012 6:36 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Just stopping in to say Hello, and good luck tnight and tomorrow, CGar!
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September 20, 2012 7:08 PM - Partridge
Dona, as several of us attempt to prove you wrong about Twiggy's current weight or her responsibility in scarring you and your friends for life, it is clear that we are approaching it intellectually while you are approaching it emotionally. Self loathing, distorted body image and the never ending need for personal perfection are things many of us have had to deal with including myself. I'm sorry if this stupid debate has annoyed you in any way.

As a way of combating my own insecurities, I have worked on trying to accept my size and the appearance of others without criticism.

However, I reserve the right to wail on toupees!
Edited at September 20, 2012 7:08 PM
September 20, 2012 7:36 PM - Donatella
uh that was my own Little attempt to have fun last night. My own little private joke fest. I guess you had to be there in the 60s and to see her live last night on HSN. I'll call my friend for laughs. We managed not to be scarred for life or to come through it with self loathing. Like I said I guess you had to be there.
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September 20, 2012 7:43 PM - CGar
Wow. Google PA State Rep. Daryl Metcalfe (R) about the 47% of Pennsylvanians who are too lazy to get up and get their voter ID cards. And Google PA Rep. Terzine who admits that the Pennsylvania Voter ID law was designed to allow Romney to win Pennsylvania.
Edited at September 20, 2012 7:43 PM
September 20, 2012 7:51 PM - bxgrl
CGar- the best kept secret of the campaign- voter ID laws designed to stop democrats from voting (they hope.)
Edited at September 20, 2012 7:51 PM
September 20, 2012 8:06 PM - Slope4Eva
Sorry, Dona. I brought up Twiggy this AM to deflect from the political talk. I had a good chuckle last night. When I finally meet you, I'll buy you an ice cold "light" beer, and we'll toast "you know who's" new body. :-)
Edited at September 20, 2012 8:05 PM
September 20, 2012 8:07 PM - Donatella
Thanks Eva. Good night all.
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September 20, 2012 8:08 PM - Slope4Eva
Goodnight, Dona.
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September 20, 2012 8:22 PM - CGar
Ifte just left. He took down the shelves BH installed and spackled the holes.
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September 20, 2012 8:25 PM - CGar
Eva, I don't think of you as an Amazon. I mean, you're taller than me, but so are the 7 Dwarfs and the Munchkins.
Edited at September 20, 2012 8:25 PM
September 20, 2012 8:29 PM - Slope4Eva
lol, CGar. Good luck with the packing/moving. Feel better.
Edited at September 20, 2012 8:29 PM
September 20, 2012 8:33 PM - CGar
BTW, when I see you in person, you're not allowed to call me CGar and I'm NOT calling you Eva!!
Edited at September 20, 2012 8:33 PM
September 20, 2012 8:40 PM - Slope4Eva
Deal.
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September 20, 2012 8:58 PM - Arkady
So what are we to call you all? Eva's Snow White & you're ???
Edited at September 20, 2012 8:58 PM
September 20, 2012 9:00 PM - Partridge
CGar, good luck with the move. Hoping the guys make it as stress free as possible for you!
Edited at September 20, 2012 9:00 PM
September 20, 2012 9:03 PM - Bedstuymaven
Just came back from San Gennaro
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September 20, 2012 9:16 PM - CGar
"Eva's Snow White & you're ???"

Dopey. (Though this week I'm Sneezy. And Sleepy.)

(I think I'm Bashful. Dave and DeLepp think I'm Grumpy.)
Edited at September 20, 2012 9:24 PM
September 20, 2012 9:18 PM - CGar
Thanks, LP. I'm not at all stressed, which is shocking considering the week I've had. Just beyond exhausted.
Edited at September 20, 2012 9:18 PM
September 20, 2012 9:22 PM - Partridge
Good news, CGar, I mean, Happy!
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September 20, 2012 9:24 PM - CGar
LP, I think I'm just too tired to be stressed!
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September 20, 2012 9:24 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
"He took down the shelves BH installed and spackled the holes."

BH wonders aloud: "Will I be called upon to re-install them in the new place?" ; )
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September 20, 2012 9:26 PM - CGar
I took Sam and Max to the new apartment tonight before the dog run. They ran around very excitedly. Mouths hanging wide open, eyes wide - in other words, their really happy faces. Not to read too much into it, but it's as if they know that's going to be home, I swear. (And one of them marked his territory on the loft carpet, which I suspected would happen - it was prolly Max.)
Edited at September 20, 2012 9:26 PM
September 20, 2012 9:27 PM - CGar
Only if you want them on your deck, Cobble!! Otherwise, Ifte will install them in one of the bathrooms, not sure which one yet.

And, of course, the 4th screw wouldn't come out of the toggle bolt!!
September 20, 2012 9:28 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Will you have a day or so to rest before you go back to work? My advice: Do not go crazy unpacking, it takes time, and it'll be there. Just do what you need to do to sleep and eat, and care for the CPups.
September 20, 2012 9:30 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
No, no, please feel free to have Ifte install them in the deck bathroom, that will be great! ; )

Oopsy, sorry about that! Prolly a case of brute force by BH.
Edited at September 20, 2012 9:30 PM
September 20, 2012 9:30 PM - CGar
I have to rush to CT to the warehouse on Saturday morning, cobble. They're picking up furniture to take to my brother in Massachusetts, along with furniture from here, on Saturday afternoon. They're also picking up furniture that's coming to Brooklyn, which they'll deliver on Tuesday.

I'm planning to rest and unpack a bit on Sunday, though the Champs want to enter Sam & Max in the Brooklyn Heights Dog Show, but I'm just not sure I'll have the energy. I'm also not sure in what category to enter them.
Edited at September 20, 2012 9:30 PM
September 20, 2012 9:40 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
OY! OY! OY! I'm exhausted for you! Yes, relax on Sunday, as much as possible. You have a party to go to on Monday night!

"Brooklyn Heights Dog Show"
Really? Didn't know they had one. Category: Cutest Pups ever?!

Enter Sam? Max? in the Flying Dog Category, too!


Edited at September 20, 2012 9:41 PM
September 20, 2012 9:43 PM - Partridge
Come for dinner and to rest on Monday. If you have to leave early, we'll all understand.
September 20, 2012 9:43 PM - CGar
I had thought if I could get Sam to fly on command I would do that, cobble!
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September 20, 2012 9:45 PM - CGar
I am going to do my best to go to the party on Monday, but not sure how long I'll be able to stay, especially if I'm still sickly.
Edited at September 20, 2012 9:45 PM
September 20, 2012 9:50 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Did you determine whether or not it's allergies? BH still has a bit of it, I'm ok so far, but half the people in the office are suffering.
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September 20, 2012 9:55 PM - Arkady
Cutest rescue?
Edited at September 20, 2012 9:55 PM
September 20, 2012 9:57 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
The good news is he can walk to / from your place, LP!

I really wish we lived over there again. This commuting for our social life is the pits.
Edited at September 20, 2012 9:57 PM
September 20, 2012 10:06 PM - CGar
I like Scott Brown, but I thought his attack on Elizabeth Warren - insisting she's not Native American - was VERY odd.
Edited at September 20, 2012 10:06 PM
September 20, 2012 10:07 PM - CGar
cobble, I've been convinced it's a cold, but Nightly News did a top story tonight on how bad allergies are right now for everyone including people who have never had allergies. Everyone I come into contact with, at home and at work has "this", whatever "this" is.
Edited at September 20, 2012 10:07 PM
September 20, 2012 10:09 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
"Everyone I come into contact with, at home and at work has "this", whatever "this" is."

Yep, BH has "it", too. I'm just shocked (knock wood) that I haven't come down with it. But I'm being very careful and using my allergy meds daily. Just wish I were getting more sleep.
Edited at September 20, 2012 10:09 PM
September 20, 2012 10:12 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Ok, off to bed with me...And lord help my neighbors if their damn alarm clock or whatever it is wakes me up at 5am again!

Good luck tomorrow, CGar, hope it all goes well. Bakers and Quakers will take good care of you. : )
Edited at September 20, 2012 10:12 PM
September 20, 2012 10:17 PM - Partridge
Cobble, I imagine "Dave's" room will only be occupied hourly and during the day. Perhaps you and BH can come in from the deck and sleep inside from time to time. It seems fair considering, no?

My throat pain disappeared the next day. I never got "it".
September 20, 2012 10:39 PM - More4Less
Good luck with the move my supplier. Treat yourself to some deep massage in the heights
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September 20, 2012 10:42 PM - More4Less
My allergies are worst when winter rolls around. Same with the kid. Wife and kid have mild impact but I've none now.

Nite all.
Edited at September 20, 2012 10:42 PM