Tuesday OT
April 17, 2012 7:11 AM - dibs
Fresh muffins from The Coffee Pot on the Wharf in Provincetown.

423 comments
April 17, 2012 7:17 AM - Deleted
"Fresh muffins from The Coffee Pot on the Wharf in Provincetown"

Moonface!
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#1
April 17, 2012 7:20 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
Leaving now, DIBS! See you soon! ; )
Edited at April 17, 2012 7:20 AM
#2
April 17, 2012 7:24 AM - dibs
The guest room is free, Cobble. Unfortunately it's still too early in the season to see cod fish cheeks.
#3
April 17, 2012 7:28 AM - dibs
Movers Not Shakers should be here around 10:00
Edited at April 17, 2012 7:28 AM
#4
April 17, 2012 7:37 AM - dibs
OK...time to start raking up the leaves.
#5
April 17, 2012 7:46 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
I'm a very tidy house guest, and I bake. Just keep that in mind! ; )
Edited at April 17, 2012 7:46 AM
#6
April 17, 2012 8:05 AM - Deleted
Lol @ heathers rant from yesterday. Pretty typical of someone who was priced out of Williamsburg 5 years ago.
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#7
April 17, 2012 8:18 AM - Arkady
6, Snappy says Ikea is the best place for frames.
Edited at April 17, 2012 8:18 AM
#8
April 17, 2012 8:23 AM - CGar
"Uh-oh, two OT's again...DIBS posted one from the Cape."

cobble, I deleted my dueling OT. dave has been so unreliable since he retired that I couldn't be asked to check first.

Edited at April 17, 2012 8:23 AM
#9
April 17, 2012 8:26 AM - Deleted
Heather's lament is akin to those people who move out to some pristine rural area, and then decry when others do the same. It's the "I should be the only change that happens in this area" syndrome.
Edited at April 17, 2012 8:26 AM
#10
April 17, 2012 8:30 AM - Deleted
Exactly. And a neighborhood is the best when you first move there - and anyone who moves in after you is ruining it.


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#11
April 17, 2012 8:31 AM - Deleted
Six;

If you are going to the Kings Highway area, check out Crawford's for Mother's Day gifts (including frames). Ask anyone in the area where Crawford's is - it's been a mainstay there for a long time.
Edited at April 17, 2012 8:31 AM
#12
April 17, 2012 8:33 AM - sixyearsandcounting
Thanks Arkady and Snappy!

And now it's time to stir the pot. A Facebook friend posted this last night - I think the author must secretly have it in for Benson:
http://www.bootsnall.com/articles/12-04/let-travel-transform-your-life.html
"To us, travel has nothing to do with cruises and vacations. It’s not about staying at fancy hotels or taking a two-week holiday.
Travel is a way of life. It’s how we learn, develop ourselves, educate our children, expand our minds, and work on solving the world’s problems."
Edited at April 17, 2012 8:33 AM
#13
April 17, 2012 8:34 AM - sixyearsandcounting
Thanks Benson - will have a look there too.
#14
April 17, 2012 8:39 AM - Deleted
That article can't be for real. Check out this quote from it:

"But it’s been a long road to get us from that prejudiced, bigoted, and narrow-minded view of men and things, to the broad, wholesome, charitable views we hold today."

It's like a line from "The Onion".


#15
April 17, 2012 8:41 AM - sixyearsandcounting
My favorite is: "Along the way we learned that third-world countries actually had stores – normal ones like I was used to – and that not everyone living south of the border wanted to come to America." Sounds like a moonface walking around the ghetto! (or a Manhattanite coming to Brooklyn)
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#16
April 17, 2012 8:43 AM - Deleted
I nominate the article for "Least self-aware author of all time". Does she not realize that the article says more about her mindset than any insights into travel?
#17
April 17, 2012 8:44 AM - jessibaby
How do those children get educated? Socialized?
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#18
April 17, 2012 9:08 AM - Legion
LOL at the article sixyears posted,

I'm coining a new term for this sort of stuff: vicarious culturalism
The idea that abandoning your cultural identity for another is somehow morally superior.
It's particularly rampant amongst hand-wringing Americans and it's a sign of societal decline in my view.
When a society has such excesses that the people within it begin to question its basic worth, that society is
on its way down. The basic drive for advancement is being undermined.
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:08 AM
#19
April 17, 2012 9:17 AM - Legion
...throwing children into the mix adds another troublesome dimension. I watch this show on A&E a lot,
or is it the travel channel...I don't know wtf...whatever. It's called HouseHunters International and they always have these couples in there looking for homes in exotic locales with their towheads in tow.
I think to myself, what self-indulgence. You're uprooting your entire family with kids leaving their schoolmates, their boyfriends and girlfriends their entire social structure and throwing them into a completely foreign atmosphere.
Sure, some will rise to the challenge, but many will curse the day their parents decided to pull them out of their high school just as they were about to go to the prom, to go eat smelly Dorian fruit in a shack or weave baskets for tourists.
#20
April 17, 2012 9:19 AM - Deleted
Legion;

Well-said. The writer Mark Steyn (whom I'm sure you know) has coined another term to deal with this phenomenon: "Civilizational Confidence". The West has lost it, by and large.
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:19 AM
#21
April 17, 2012 9:19 AM - CGar
"The idea that abandoning your cultural identity for another is somehow morally superior."

Says the man who abandoned his offline identity for his OT identity. Ooops, I forgot, I'm dead to you.

Edited at April 17, 2012 9:19 AM
#22
April 17, 2012 9:22 AM - More4Less
Rangers take 2-1 series lead. Long live the King!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Messier, make room for the King. We ready to hoist the Cup.
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:22 AM
#23
April 17, 2012 9:23 AM - CGar
"I don't care what anyone says, Cobble Hill is still my home and it's a wonderful neighborhood."

A. This would be a lot more believable if someone hadn't abandoned her Cobble Hill screen name.

2. Don't let them get to you, cobble. The likes of them are just jealous.
#24
April 17, 2012 9:25 AM - Legion
On another note:

Why Big Government Doesn't Work, Exhibit A

The head of the Government Services Agency (GSA) was up on Capital Hill yesterday to answer questions as to why he and his department were partying it up in Las Vegas on taxpayer money to the tune of 800K.
The embarassing episode included photos of this guy sitting in a hot tub above the strip drinking coctails with our hard earned money or should I say, the hard earned money of the 51% of people who pay Federal Income taxes.

Anyway, this douche pleaded the Fifth till the cows came home. He was sweating more than a hooker in church on Sunday.

...back on the front lines, we're still working so these types of numbnuts bureaucrats can have hot tub bubbles tickle their asses.
#25
April 17, 2012 9:32 AM - CGar
Too bad you stopped speaking to me Legion. No one else wants to talk to you obviously. What, with all your right wing extremist plathering, who can blame them.
#26
April 17, 2012 9:34 AM - More4Less
Can't believe it but my Mets are kicking some asses right now. I'm going to enjoy it for as long as it lasts.
#27
April 17, 2012 9:38 AM - petebklyn
you could say that those GSA folks took that gov't should be run more like private biz idea too far. Am sure they have read and seen enuf articles on lavish corporate blowouts and only trying to copy them. Figuring that what is good for the corporate elites is good for the gov't elites. Obviously these LasVegas hotels have staged these types of events before.
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:38 AM
#28
April 17, 2012 9:38 AM - Legion
"Says the man who abandoned his offline identity for his OT identity. Ooops, I forgot, I'm dead to you."

..ha ha, ok
that's a valid point, but I only abandon my identity for my online persona a few hours a week
and always from the comfort of the office or home. ;o)

I'll
#29
April 17, 2012 9:40 AM - Legion
"Civilizational Confidence". The West has lost it, by and large."

Yes, I like Mark Steyn benson,
he's British-American and always makes a strong case for Western values.
#30
April 17, 2012 9:41 AM - petebklyn
this whole drop your whole life and go off and do something exotic has always been going on. nothing new.
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:41 AM
#31
April 17, 2012 9:42 AM - Deleted
Legion - sorry to have to serve as a fact-checker again, but Steyn is from Canada.
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:42 AM
#32
April 17, 2012 9:44 AM - CGar
m4l, if the Rangers lose on account of your irrational exuberance, no more brownies for you. If they go all the way, you can have all the brownies you want.
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:44 AM
#33
April 17, 2012 9:44 AM - petebklyn
something to think about:
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-04-12/why-you-should-drink-at-work
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:44 AM
#34
April 17, 2012 9:44 AM - Legion
...true pete,
it's the stuff of great literature as well
from Heart of Darkness to The Sheltering Sky.
Ultimately though, in many cases, it is a solitary journey without much room for those close to us.
Those two great works of literature illustrate that better than I ever could.
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:44 AM
#35
April 17, 2012 9:45 AM - petebklyn
well, canada is like british-american.
#36
April 17, 2012 9:47 AM - Legion
humm,
Canadian?
I'm certain he's got a British accent though, no?
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:47 AM
#37
April 17, 2012 9:48 AM - petebklyn
where is dona? I have too many canas and don't want to plant them all. dug up from last year.
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:48 AM
#38
April 17, 2012 9:48 AM - CGar
Nothing good ever came out of Canada. And they all talk funny.
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:48 AM
#39
April 17, 2012 9:48 AM - More4Less
CGar, stop hedging / be timid. Be BOLD brotha. when we were down 3-2 to the mighty Devils, what did Messier say/do???? He guaranteed we'll win game 6 and came thru with hat trick to secure win. This Rangers team is very good and certainly good enough to win it all. Believe brotha believe. Keep drinking that koolaid till you believe.
#40
April 17, 2012 9:50 AM - Legion
...how about Canadian bacon?
#41
April 17, 2012 9:51 AM - More4Less
CGar, do you know what is the scalp prices for even the cheap seats for a rangers game now?
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:51 AM
#42
April 17, 2012 9:51 AM - petebklyn
certainly not those damned geese. where is the NRA when we need them?
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:51 AM
#43
April 17, 2012 9:51 AM - More4Less
Legion, Canadian Maple - the syrup and the wood is top quality
#44
April 17, 2012 9:52 AM - More4Less
Pete, all you needs to do is call my peeps and they'll have some juicy roasted geese for you in a few hrs.
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:52 AM
#45
April 17, 2012 9:53 AM - CGar
"CGar, stop hedging / be timid. Be BOLD brotha."

Trust me, m4l, I am doing just that.
#46
April 17, 2012 9:54 AM - Slopefarm
When the alien archaeologists a thousand years from now try to figure out what caused the decline of the west, I doubt they will rank overseas cu;ltural tourism high on the list. They will sift through the incomplete archaeological evidence and conclude we all took out our home equity to overeat to the point of extinction or inertia. Apparently, Americans now consume 3800 calories per person per day.
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:54 AM
#47
April 17, 2012 9:55 AM - DeLepp
m4l, a 2 bedroom 1 1/2 bath duplex went on market in my bldg for $875. The bedrooms are in the 'attic' space, should be interesting.
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:55 AM
#48
April 17, 2012 9:55 AM - Deleted
Legion;

Yes, Steyn seems to have cultivated a British accent, even though he's from the Toronto area. He and Etson should get together and compare notes.
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:55 AM
#49
April 17, 2012 9:56 AM - Slopefarm
"Nothing good ever came out of Canada. And they all talk funny."

Biff's not here so I'll say it: Like, take off, eh! You hoser!

Edited at April 17, 2012 9:56 AM
#50
April 17, 2012 9:56 AM - CGar
Brownie Whore, check your email.
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:56 AM
#51
April 17, 2012 9:57 AM - Deleted
Slopey;

A little touchy there, eh?
#52
April 17, 2012 9:59 AM - CGar
"When the alien archaeologists a thousand years from now try to figure out what caused the decline of the west"

#1: Fedders houses.
#53
April 17, 2012 10:01 AM - Slopefarm
#2: Recessed lighting.
Edited at April 17, 2012 10:01 AM
#54
April 17, 2012 10:02 AM - Legion
m4l,
oh yeah, Canadian maple syrup too!

3800 calories per day requires the good stuff. ;o)
Edited at April 17, 2012 10:02 AM
#55
April 17, 2012 10:03 AM - Deleted
To address Slopey and Pete's points (seriously, for a moment). It is one thing to travel to experience different cultures, and perhaps (and I'll say it again, PERHAPS) broaden your horizons. It is an altogether different thing to make a statement about travel that is really a thinly-veiled condemnation of your home culture and values.
Edited at April 17, 2012 10:03 AM
#56
April 17, 2012 10:03 AM - Legion
#3: Excessive use of internet cat pictures
Edited at April 17, 2012 10:03 AM
#57
April 17, 2012 10:11 AM - petebklyn
I only admit skimming that article....but seemed that they had excessed on rat-race/pursuit of materialism - which would be not really understanding home values that are important -- only a trap that some people fall into. I would think that more important values that those in central america and D.R. would share and that that family had perhaps gotten away from is family/community/etc.
To me -- people like that are extremists-- not the everything in moderation type. They overdo everything --- I would guess pretty egocentric.

#58
April 17, 2012 10:12 AM - petebklyn
now I have to walk up to the pool for swimming.
Edited at April 17, 2012 10:12 AM
#59
April 17, 2012 10:14 AM - CGar
*rob* is going to have a hissy fit when he sees this week's New York Magazine cover article >>>
Edited at April 17, 2012 10:14 AM
#60
April 17, 2012 10:14 AM - Legion
That's what I was getting at too pete,
when I was talking about self-indulgence.
Even in our admiteddly materialistic society, it is possible to lead a life of purpose and virtue.

I think a lot of the OT understands this with the volunteer work they do.
#61
April 17, 2012 10:15 AM - Donatella
before I go.....
Edited at April 17, 2012 10:15 AM
#62
April 17, 2012 10:16 AM - CGar
"Witness Pintchick Row on Bergen Street off Flatbush, a block that now boasts Bark, Ricky’s, a vegetarian cafe, a bicycle shop, a comic book store and a yoga shop. All have opened in the past five or so years and it seems like a stretch to say they’ve hurt quality of life in the area."

Not to mention Babeland.
#63
April 17, 2012 10:16 AM - Deleted
Donatella;

Shouldn't you be booking a trip to Cuba to learn the art of cigar-making about now? You can speak to your fellow cigar-makers in Spanish!
Edited at April 17, 2012 10:16 AM
#64
April 17, 2012 10:18 AM - Donatella
Benson, I am imagining you now, like an Oxford don, smoking a pipe in a darkened, all male, woodlined study, sitting in your leather chair, surrounded by conservative friends, lamenting the FALL, yes the END of it all.... "Yes, my good man, consider the esteemed works of Steyn, ho ho ho, sorry old man, he is a CANADIAN, not a Brit, defending the last vestiges of no less WESTERN CIVILIZATION, from the TRAVELERS. THose impertinent fools, looking to TOSS AWAY their precious Western Civilizational heritage for..... pass that brandy, would you my good man..... vacations of the sort found in the NYTIMES travel section.... "

Ok, I am being bossed around by my accountant to send him something, so I GET TO LEAVE NOW. hehehe.

#65
April 17, 2012 10:18 AM - Slopefarm
Benson, I'm not worried about some idiot blogger. To me it is not a sign that, "The West has lost it [cultural confidence], by and large." Oh, and, what dona said.
Edited at April 17, 2012 10:18 AM
#66
April 17, 2012 10:18 AM - CGar
"it is possible to lead a life of purpose and virtue"

Present company excluded.
Edited at April 17, 2012 10:18 AM
#67
April 17, 2012 10:19 AM - BoerumHillScott
I think Babeland is the only shop on Pintchick row I have ever stepped foot in.
#68
April 17, 2012 10:19 AM - Legion
***COMMUNITY SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT***

Legion's civic association tree giveaway is on schedule for Saturday, April 28th.
We are giving away FREE:

-Dogwoods
-Service Appleberry
-Ginkgo Biloba
-Sour Cherry

e-mail me if interested in picking up a FREE tree.


NOTE to Kens
we will have additional trees of the species you were interested in, on that day.
#69
April 17, 2012 10:20 AM - Donatella

Soon, Benson, soon. I may even bring you one back.
#70
April 17, 2012 10:21 AM - Deleted
Slopey;

I'm not the one that's getting touchy, eh?
Edited at April 17, 2012 10:21 AM
#71
April 17, 2012 10:25 AM - Donatella
oh, ps, I couldn't find that post by Heather. I wonder if it is OUR Heather, who used to post on the OT, who lives in Clinton Hill. Not that the real person, or reality in general, has anything to do with any of this, but Heather is a very cool and wonderful young woman. She has been over and had lunch here and is very funny and down to earth and was one of the people running around trying to help out with Ms. L. Just felt like saying that for some reason.

OK, I am wondering about my nervousness in OBEYING this accountant. He is a PIA.
Well, I'm off.
Edited at April 17, 2012 10:25 AM
#72
April 17, 2012 10:40 AM - Arkady
Intrepid young people typically want to explore the world once they realize how limited their horizons have been - it's part of growing up. If it weren't an inherent human trait we'd all still be living on the African plains.
Edited at April 17, 2012 10:40 AM
#73
April 17, 2012 10:47 AM - Donatella
Question:

I don't have a scanner. I need to send an authorization for my accountant to enter my electronic PIN, thereby submitting my taxes. Today. He wants me to sign the authorization form, scan it and email it to him. If I don't buy a scanner, (which I am not going to), I need to go to Kinkos or Staples to do this. And when you use these scanners, it leaves a file in the scanner. I have had so much trouble with fraudsters this year (Anonymous had its way with my computer and my AMEX card for a while since I had the temerity to subscribe to Stratfor) and I really don't feel like leaving a file with my social security number in a public place.

Does anyone have any ideas? I could fax it to him but that is the same issue. I don't have a fax either. Maybe that is less risky.
#74
April 17, 2012 10:49 AM - Arkady
Fax is less risky. Don't you have a friend anywhere w/ a fax?

#75
April 17, 2012 10:52 AM - Donatella

Yes, my friend has a local business. Thanks, Arkady. I think I will ask him.
Edited at April 17, 2012 10:52 AM
#76
April 17, 2012 10:54 AM - CGar
dona, was just going to say what Arkady said. I faxed my efile forms last night.
#77
April 17, 2012 10:56 AM - Legion
Of course Arkady,
wanderlust is common to all humans.
What we were discussing here though is the peculiar American propensity to run off to far off lands and
proclaim from abroad, their moral superiority.

Maybe it sells magazines or TV shows but it's not fooling everyone.
Edited at April 17, 2012 10:56 AM
#78
April 17, 2012 10:57 AM - Deleted
Staples also has a fax service (pretty expensive though).


Edited at April 17, 2012 10:57 AM
#79
April 17, 2012 11:02 AM - Deleted
I wonder if the author of that article would ever consider to condemn the locals in the Dominican Republic or Costa Rica as provincial? Of course not, even though the odds are that they have experienced less of the world than the typical American.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:02 AM
#80
April 17, 2012 11:03 AM - CGar
Legion, I realize I'm dead to you, but check your email anyway.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:03 AM
#81
April 17, 2012 11:03 AM - Donatella
Actually, I am going to drop it off to his office myself. I realized I am going to be close to his office
later. It is just as easy to hand the freaking thing to him.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:03 AM
#82
April 17, 2012 11:06 AM - MontroseMorris
"Along the way we learned that third-world countries actually had stores – normal ones like I was used to – and that not everyone living south of the border wanted to come to America."

Although naive, I don't have a problem with this statement. Most people in this country ARE surprised that third-world countries have stores. They are surprised that third world countries have modern cities too, expecting everyone to be living in huts or yurts. Saying it out loud might do some good in dispelling the ignorance.

The world is a large and fascinating place. We take up only a piece of it. Why should everything be compared to American or Americans? It's unreasonable.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:06 AM
#83
April 17, 2012 11:06 AM - Donatella

My old accountant was a bit of a slob. (the problem) He would have said, yeah, whatever. Get the permission whenever. This new guy is hovering, eyes popping, with his sharpened pencil, freaking out. I am getting money back so the firing squad is not going to come down on either of us if it goes in tomorrow.

My concern is leaving records with my SS#.
#84
April 17, 2012 11:07 AM - the chicken
After today's circuit class, I have come to the realisation that I am old and unfit.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:07 AM
#85
April 17, 2012 11:09 AM - Legion
Will do CGar. ;o)


p.s. You are dead to me.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:09 AM
#86
April 17, 2012 11:09 AM - CGar
MM, that guy with the scissors scares the bejesus out of me. >>>
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:09 AM
#87
April 17, 2012 11:10 AM - MontroseMorris
The typical American hasn't "experienced the world" all that much. We have more access to global media, but most people barely go outside of their comfort zone, and couldn't find half of Europe on a map, let alone the rest of the world. Hell, they can't find half the states in the United States. A trip to Disney World, perhaps, but "experienced", not hardly.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:10 AM
#88
April 17, 2012 11:10 AM - CGar
"I am old and unfit."

I am older and unfitter, chicken.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:10 AM
#89
April 17, 2012 11:11 AM - MontroseMorris
CGar, you crack me up.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:11 AM
#90
April 17, 2012 11:14 AM - Donatella

I had an interesting experience by living in Japan. It actually made me understand better and embrace my traditions. I had to call into question so many times my reactions to the "alien" that I experienced on a more visceral level the assumptions and beliefs that I had assimilated by living my life and being shaped by our traditions. It was there that I really embraced my religious heritage and also realized the greatness of our cultural heritage. You don't affirm these things by walling yourself off from that which is different.

#91
April 17, 2012 11:17 AM - Kensingtonian
Legion, please please please I need 3 more trees (Any combination of cherry and apple will do). I register for 2 and can't register for more but we need about 5 on our property (we have a big lawn). If you can save me any I'll greatly appreciate it. I'll buy you breakfast or lunch. THANK YOU!!!!


Edited at April 17, 2012 11:17 AM
#92
April 17, 2012 11:19 AM - Donatella

oh and there was another phenomonon that I thought was interesting. After a while when I made friends and was able to have a nice time, talk to them about real things, laugh, etc., people would say that I was "nihonrashii", like a Japanese person. NO, I was not a Japanese person. Not at all. I was and am an American person. An American person with whom they could relate. I was also not somebody with whom anybody felt comfortable taking taking cheap shots at Americans either.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:19 AM
#93
April 17, 2012 11:20 AM - DeLepp
There are some amercians who are surpised that other countries don't celebrate Thanksgiving Day.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:20 AM
#94
April 17, 2012 11:20 AM - Donatella
All right, I'm out of here.

Later.
#95
April 17, 2012 11:21 AM - Deleted
"You don't affirm these things by walling yourself off from that which is different."

And who made such a statement here on the OT?

.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:21 AM
#96
April 17, 2012 11:27 AM - CGar
"p.s. You are dead to me."

P.P.S., some day I'll be dead, Legion, and I fear you're going to regret this.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:27 AM
#97
April 17, 2012 11:28 AM - Deleted
Anybody who relates a personal experience or learning and draws a conclusion about "most Americans" or other people is engaging in moral preening, be it the author of that article or OT posters.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:28 AM
#98
April 17, 2012 11:30 AM - Legion
Kens,
no problem,
I will try to keep a few on the side for you.
I don't think it'll be a problem as long as you're there to pick up the pre-reserved trees.

CGar!
Now you are making me sad. :o(
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:30 AM
#99
April 17, 2012 11:31 AM - Legion
"moral preening"

tehehe,
that's a good phrase benson.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:31 AM
April 17, 2012 11:34 AM - MontroseMorris
"moral preening"

Right, Benson, because you've never made a judgmental statement in your entire life, certainly not here. Oh wait, you just did!
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:34 AM
April 17, 2012 11:34 AM - the chicken
"I am older and unfitter, chicken."

alright, alright - it's not a competition!
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:34 AM
April 17, 2012 11:35 AM - CGar
Yes, well, MM, if anyone would know about "moral preening", it would be him.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:34 AM
April 17, 2012 11:35 AM - Kensingtonian
Thanks Legion. I'll be there bright and early. Can even pick up coffee on the way.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:35 AM
April 17, 2012 11:37 AM - the chicken
As a non-american, it is amazing to me that anyone would lump the whole of America together.

Within the equivalent land mass and population in Europe, you could have a dozen different languages with any number of conflicting cultural norms.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:37 AM
April 17, 2012 11:38 AM - CGar
chicken, do you know what dates you'll be here? I will reserve your room at Hotel De L'ECgar.
April 17, 2012 11:38 AM - the chicken
Kens - I am so ashamed to say that I only just worked out your avatar.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:38 AM
April 17, 2012 11:39 AM - Arkady
I prefer to think of myself as terribly fit given my age & overall decrepitude. (Hanging out w/ people who are old & unfit also helps.)
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:39 AM
April 17, 2012 11:39 AM - the chicken
Consigliere, I haven't got the dates set in stone yet but probably the 7th to the 15th of July.
April 17, 2012 11:43 AM - the chicken
Arkady, that's what I generally do but the class today was full of young and lithe creatures with far too much energy.

My problem is that although the bodywork looks good, the running gear is shot.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:43 AM
April 17, 2012 11:50 AM - CGar
"As a non-american"

chicken, "are you . . . a . . . foreigner?" (Jessica Tate, SOAP)
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April 17, 2012 11:51 AM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: Hey guys..
**Knock on the glass***
Is everyone brain dead or something?
No What Love LMMFAO!
Whats going on? *Marvin Gaye Voice*
Is this site encased in "Group think"?

The What
Someday this war is gonna end...

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April 17, 2012 11:54 AM - the chicken
> chicken, "are you . . . a . . . foreigner?"


shhhhh......not so loud....people will think that it's contagious....
April 17, 2012 11:55 AM - the chicken
O M G ! ! ! ! ! The What lives!!!!
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April 17, 2012 11:58 AM - Slopefarm
"O M G ! ! ! ! ! The What lives!!!!"

He's been back a few days, it seems, chicken. Today's lesson is that he sings like Marvin Gaye, which is great, but to which I would add that there are some Marvin Gaye songs I'd rather not hear the what sing.

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April 17, 2012 12:10 PM - Kensingtonian
chicken, lol, it's a baby goat boy! Maybe it's time to change the avatar....hmmmm.....
April 17, 2012 12:15 PM - More4Less
I asked for some ass kicking of Canadians last night (& again tomorrow). Tonight, I'm asking for some ask kicking of some geezers from Boston - ie the Boston Celtics. Let's go Knicks
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April 17, 2012 12:18 PM - Slopefarm
While we're on the topic of the potential end of western civilization, here, from Slate, is IBIS World's list of the 10 fastest-growing industries in America -- cause for optimism or worry?:

1. Generic pharmaceuticals
2. Solar panel manufacturing
3. For-profit universities
4. Pilates and yoga studios
5. Self-tanning product manufacturing
6. 3-D printer manufacturing
7. Social network game development
8. Hot sauce production
9. Green and sustainable building construction
10. Online eyeglasses sales
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April 17, 2012 12:19 PM - CGar
Anyone heard of wag.com?

I just ordered a 5-year supply of cat litter for friends of mine.
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April 17, 2012 12:22 PM - Slopefarm
"I just ordered a 5-year supply of cat litter for friends of mine."

We go through 3 25-lb bags a month for our trio of cats (and litter boxes). For us, a 5-year supply would be 180 bags of litter, or 4500 lbs. I'd need another house.
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April 17, 2012 12:22 PM - CGar
Another garden duplex just came on the market in that Cobble Hill building I like . . . asking $1.375mm. It's nice . . . if you want to spend an extra $425k to get the same bathrooms . . .

http://www.corcoran.com/property/listing.aspx?Region=NYC&ListingID=2319707&ohDat=4/22/2012%2012:00:00%20AM;
April 17, 2012 12:23 PM - Arkady
Yeah, CG - some great kitty offers from Wag today!! For instance, a 3-pack of felt mice for $2.99.
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April 17, 2012 12:25 PM - Arkady
Slopey - There's decent deal on World's Best on Wag today too. I go through 17 lbs every 3 weeks w/ 2 cats (& 2 boxes.)
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April 17, 2012 12:29 PM - More4Less
CGar, that's the same layout as the one them geezers stole from you back then right?
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April 17, 2012 12:29 PM - petebklyn
J-51 ends in 2016? what is estimate of full taxes after ends?
April 17, 2012 12:30 PM - More4Less
Delepp, I think I might know that duplex you're talking about. it was asking 499k back then when I tried to buy it but then the seller yanked it off mkt all of a sudden then poof gone from mkt.
April 17, 2012 12:32 PM - petebklyn
nothing about $10 organic ice cream making, mayonaise or whatever on that list?
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April 17, 2012 12:32 PM - CGar
Yes, m4l, same layout. I love the downstairs, but you lose a lot of space in the bedrooms - I just don't need that much furniture in my bedrooms.

No idea yet, Pete. Trying to figure that out, but there's no easy way to do it.
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April 17, 2012 12:32 PM - Slopefarm
Our cats have never known anything but C9 unscented, which Wag doesn't seem to stock. Also, price for the wet foods we feed our girl cat who needs a limited ingredient diet is priced the same as NYCPET. Btw, we feed the girl cat "Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance." Every time I buy a case, I think: Dick Van Patten, WTF?
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April 17, 2012 12:36 PM - DeLepp
J-51 ends in 2016? what is estimate of full taxes after ends?

For a one bedroom in ghetto $3K a year. They will only raise it 20% a year max to get to new level.
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April 17, 2012 12:38 PM - Deleted
I have 18 years to go before my 421A abatement expires. At that time, the property taxes on my apartment (1350 square feet 3-bedroom condo) will be approximately $8K/year. Ouch!!
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April 17, 2012 12:38 PM - DeLepp
m4l, was that 2003?
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April 17, 2012 12:39 PM - Arkady
I'm appealing ex-bf's RE taxes this week. The City's estimate of income is nearly double the reality. Lilian Cuomo - head of dept. - said they estimate based on what the Slope market will bear, not the reality. I'm protesting that.
April 17, 2012 12:43 PM - Slopefarm

Ouch, benson. Right now, we pay about $2k/yr RE taxes on chez Slopey. No abatement.
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April 17, 2012 12:45 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: Wait a minute!
If your Condos, Co-Op and Brownstones are worth a ton of money *Cue Laugh track* then, you should pay the taxes on it!
How are we going to pay for all the bike lanes and gentrification shit?

The What
Someday this war is gonna end..

April 17, 2012 12:47 PM - Deleted
Back in the 70's, the city made a deliberate decision to keep property taxes on 1 to 3-family houses low, to try to retain the fleeing middle class. Regardless of whether that policy was wise for that time, we are in a different era and the disparity in property taxes is not fair. I expect that as more abatements expire, the political pressure for reform will grow.
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April 17, 2012 12:48 PM - petebklyn
in 18 years, $8k won't seem like so much. probably $10k less than same price prop outside the city.
April 17, 2012 12:51 PM - More4Less
Delepp, 2003 sounds about right. Brooklyn Properties was the agent that showed me that unit.
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April 17, 2012 12:52 PM - DeLepp
When abatements start ending in 2015 on all the condos built iin manhattan we should see some pressure on reform.
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April 17, 2012 12:53 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: "Back in the 70's, the city made a deliberate decision to keep property taxes on 1 to 3-family houses low, to try to retain the fleeing middle class. "

The State Benson, not the city!

"Regardless of whether that policy was wise for that time, we are in a different era and the disparity in property taxes is not fair."

Not true because the turnover of house in NYC has gone up. The Tax Assessors look at trends in a given neighborhood thru Real Property Transfer sales and make the adjustments there. Before tThe Mutant Asset Bubble people lived to their houses for a long period of time but, now with all the flipping going on and high prices, the government wants in on the cash.

"I expect that as more abatements expire, the political pressure for reform will grow."

That will fall on deaf ears..

The What

Someday this war is gonna end....
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April 17, 2012 12:54 PM - DeLepp
m4l, they gutted kitchen and half bath. Place is always cold though.
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April 17, 2012 12:54 PM - Slopefarm
benson, I agree with you as a policy matter. I looked at this politically back in the early 90s when i worked for a legislator. Lots of City Council members (SI, Queens, BK outside the brownstone belt) think the majority of voters in their respective districts live in 1-3 fam houses and won't consider an overhaul because they think it is political suicide. For some council members who think this, it isn't actually true, although apartment renters are kind of politically oblivious because they pay only indirectly.
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April 17, 2012 12:55 PM - petebklyn
the disparity I think comes more from the limit your tax can increase per year -- regardless of market value. So some neighborhoods that were lowend but now higher end marketprice-wise - Because of yearly limit increases have same taxes as what are lower-priced 'hoods.
In florida - more disparate --- you are kinda locked into the tax amount based on your purchase price --- so oldtime owners pay nothing compared to newbies. That was especially noticable before the big decline in prices in florida.
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April 17, 2012 12:56 PM - bxgrl
Arkady- so no wonder there was an RE bubble- they base their assessments on wishful thinking, not reality. :( Oh well, at least when I go to Troy I have years of listening to the nightmares of home ownership to bolster my courage. I think.
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April 17, 2012 12:58 PM - Slopefarm
There are vastly different tax rates for 1-3 family homes than 4+ apartment buildings. Year over year limits on increases is a separate issue though it may have the effect you describe, Pete. My old 850 sf coop apt had same tax bill (my share of bldg) as I pay now on 3100 sf 2-fam house.
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April 17, 2012 1:00 PM - petebklyn
my place has cOFo of 4 family - but yearly % increase is still limited. really doesn't matter what market value is because will never get to be taxed at that level. I think mine are about $5k.
A change of CofO could trigger taxation at full value.
April 17, 2012 1:01 PM - DeLepp
A far as I can tell city is looking to collect 20% of theroretical rent for taxes on apts.
April 17, 2012 1:03 PM - petebklyn
right- tax rates on 1-3 family is less -- but your tax bill would be much much larger if you were new build. It is the yearly limit that makes it that will never pay high tax even though house worth $3.5m.
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April 17, 2012 1:05 PM - CGar
Only you little people pay taxes.
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April 17, 2012 1:09 PM - petebklyn
geez, one can only imagine what you have to pay then.
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April 17, 2012 1:11 PM - Kensingtonian
Benson, I thought 421As lasted for 15 years max? How do you have 18 years to go?
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April 17, 2012 1:11 PM - Arkady
I file an RPIE every year. The building is vast but has only 2 apt.s & 1 comm'l office because fire laws make it impossible to have more tenants & ex-bf no longer uses the huge empty space which was his woodworking & sculpture & painting area. Expenses & income are on the RPIE - neither is reflected in the tax assessment. I'm hoping the appeals people will bow to reason.
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April 17, 2012 1:12 PM - Arkady
Projected RE tax for coming year is just under 20 grand.
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April 17, 2012 1:14 PM - Deleted
What;

First: welcome back. Second: you are incorrect about who has jurisdiction over property taxes. As our political expert Slopey can attest, property is the onlytype of tax under full control of the NYC's government. Income and others are under the state's jurisdiction.
April 17, 2012 1:17 PM - Deleted
Kens;

Believe it or not, my area of Park Slope was eligible for a 25 year tax abatement. It was a really bad area going back 15 or 20 years ago. The city fathers were asleep at the switch, and didn't change the abatements to keep up the times. I profitted from their napping!
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April 17, 2012 1:22 PM - Kensingtonian
wow! never heard of that long of abatement. Good for you!

All other condos I've seen in my neck of the wood has 10 years essentially no abatement and then an increase of 20% each year for next 5 years to get to the full sum.
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April 17, 2012 1:24 PM - CGar
donatella, check your email. Es muy importante.
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April 17, 2012 1:25 PM - Kensingtonian
we pay about 13% of the assessed value. 90 unit building that has value of $1,900,000 a year so around $250,000 per apartment. That averages about $2,700 per apartment and we have mostly 1 bedrooms (only 6 studios and 6 3 bedrooms). a 2 family house in my neighborhood probably pays less than that. How that's fair I don't know.
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April 17, 2012 1:26 PM - Slopefarm
LOL, benson, "political expert" -- I'm gonna keep that in my pocket for later use. Hee hee.

Actually, the City and State roles are complex. City has some authority to change its tax code, but some changes may require State authorization following a home rule message from the City. State in some cases can just change City law and impose it on the City, though it is careful about this in politically sensitive areas. City charter and City Ad. Code are both amalgams of City-made and State-made law. Politically, a change to the RE taxes would prolly have to come from City govt to go anywhere but i do not know whether it would also require State law authorizing the change. Keeps a lot of govt lawyers busy thinking about these things, though.
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April 17, 2012 1:27 PM - CGar
"geez, one can only imagine what you have to pay then."

LMFAO, Old Man.
April 17, 2012 1:28 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: "Second: you are incorrect about who has jurisdiction over property taxes. "
The Dept Of Finance NYC collects property Taxes, The STATE Legislature controls Property Taxes!

Have at it-->http://www.tax.ny.gov/pit/property/default.htm

The What

Someday this war is gonna end...
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April 17, 2012 1:28 PM - More4Less
CGar, text her as she went off to see accountant for her taxes
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April 17, 2012 1:30 PM - CGar
m4l, yes, I know, thanks. She and I just exchanged texts.
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April 17, 2012 1:34 PM - Deleted
What and Slopey;

In other parts of the state, the state controls property taxes. In NYC, the city does. Am I the only who remembers one of Mayor Bloomberg's first initiatives upon taking office: asking the City Council to raise property taxes by 18%?
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April 17, 2012 1:35 PM - bxgrl
Arkady- holy crap!
April 17, 2012 1:36 PM - Slopefarm
PS benson, speaking of City politics, I never told you my Bella Abzug story at the last gathering (someone was singing rather loudly and off key so I doubt you would have heard it anyway). So here it goes:

I was working on her comeback congressional race in Westchester in 1986 (Bella actually got her start in Mt. Vernon school board politics as well as feminist and antiwar movements before moving to Manhattan). She was running to unseat Joe DioGuardi (kara's dad). A few weeks before election day, our internal polling was showing some weaknesses, but everyone was afraid to tell her about it. She's got a tyemper to match her mouth and a shoot-the-messenger mentality. So we tried to soft-pedal it. So the campaign manager says something like, "We don;t want you to worry about this because we think we can fix it, but we wanted you to know that you are not doing as well with jewish male democrats as you need to in order to win. We have a plan to ----" to which she interrupted, and this is pretty much verbatim:

"I don't need YOU. To tell ME. That jewish men think I'm going to cut their balls off. They're not like Italian men. Italian men's mothers raised them right. They have big balls. They're not worried what I'll do to them."
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April 17, 2012 1:37 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: "In other parts of the state, the state controls property taxes. In NYC, the city does."
You're wrong Benson! If the city want to increase or change the Tax Code or Formulas it must go thru the State Legislature.
You learn that part of Real Estate when you get a Brokers License...

The What
Someday this wwar is gonna end...

April 17, 2012 1:38 PM - petebklyn
state controls? maybe sets some limits or standards of equalization -- but school districts and counties and municaliities levy the prop taxes.....It is not set by the state.

Kens, you don't own the apt...you own share in corp that owns a large multifamily residential bldg.
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April 17, 2012 1:40 PM - CGar
"Arkady- holy crap!"

Nice mouth.
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April 17, 2012 1:40 PM - Slopefarm
benson -- raising rates without other substantive changes in law may be within City authority without State law. I cannot remember if a state bill had to be passed after the council adopted the mayor's plan. Changing the classification system, or rebalancing the rates may, or may not be within City authority without state approval. I would know who to ask, but I would not opine definitively one way or the other without checking.
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April 17, 2012 1:42 PM - CGar
Did anyone check to make sure *rob* and My (His) Little Pony were okay after their bubble bath last night???
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April 17, 2012 1:42 PM - Deleted
Slopey;

Better you to relay that joke than me!
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April 17, 2012 1:44 PM - Kensingtonian
I know Pete. but the building's supposed rental income is still calculated the same as condo's through assessed values.
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April 17, 2012 1:44 PM - Slopefarm
I thought you'd like that. Believe me, no one was laughing when she said it.
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April 17, 2012 1:47 PM - Kensingtonian
I am sure Rob is ok. Just probably decided to not post today but I am pretty sure he can't resist not showing up here. He'll be back tonight and if not tonight then sometime this week I am sure.
April 17, 2012 1:49 PM - Deleted
Slopey;

While we're on local politics - I always meant to ask you what you thought of Fred Siegel (of Cooper Union, by the way). If more Democrats were like him, I'd listen more attentively (disingenuous moment - I know).
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April 17, 2012 1:57 PM - Slopefarm
Benson, for more on the tax topic, see the law review article linked below, skip to pp 1573-77 which covers NYC home rule taxing authority (it's not THAT long, those are journal pages). Lots of changes to taxes are adopted locally but require state legislative sign-off, often granted by pro forma vote without any real fanfare, so it seems like enacted by City alone, but State authority lurked in background.

In the end I think both you and what are right -- City is where the changes are generally adopted but State is where the ultimate legal authority lies even if not exercised vigorously.

http://www.law.nyu.edu/ecm_dlv4/groups/public/@nyu_law_website__journals__law_review/documents/documents/ecm_pro_070473.pdf
April 17, 2012 1:58 PM - Slopefarm
I really know very little about Siegel.
April 17, 2012 2:00 PM - Slopefarm
"If more Democrats were like him, I'd listen more attentively (disingenuous moment - I know)." LOL, yes and poliitcal reality in our largely one-party City is that if you registered as a democrat, they'd listen to you more attentively as well. ;)
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April 17, 2012 2:02 PM - Donatella
My taxes went up 600 bucks this year to 3100. Next year I will challenge if I get more. Tenants will pay too.

BTW, Ed Towns is riding off into the sunset. I really wondered what he did. He was the stealth Congressman. The invisible man. I decided that it was pathetic I didn't know what kind of legislative initiatives he made or his voting record. I never even got a little flyer in the mail. Once I got a Christmas card. He has an attractive family. Then I looked up his legislative record and the only legislation he proposed in the last 10 years was something to add new bathrooms to the Capitol building.
Hakeem Jeffries and Charles Barron will duke it out in the Primary, though it looks like Jeffries will win. ?? I wonder who the intrepid Republican candidate will be.
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April 17, 2012 2:03 PM - sixyearsandcounting
"I really know very little about Siegel."

Don't pigeonhole yourself, Slopey.
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April 17, 2012 2:13 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I'm babysitting art. Some workmen broke a piece yesterday. They're asking me questions about the art. It's contemporary, and odd to them.
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April 17, 2012 2:14 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Oh, and thank you for keeping me company. This is almost as dull as watching paint dry.
April 17, 2012 2:16 PM - CGar
What's dull? Watching the art or reading the tax discussion in the OT?
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April 17, 2012 2:17 PM - Slopefarm
So, slopey says both benson and what are right about something and no one's worried about the space time continuum or the temperature in hell?
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April 17, 2012 2:19 PM - Slopefarm
Or is everyone actually busy reading the law review note in the link I posted?
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April 17, 2012 2:19 PM - sixyearsandcounting
CobbleDitmas, if you're bored you should read that cringeworthy article CGar mentioned:
http://nymag.com/news/features/artisanal-brooklyn-2012-4/index1.html
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April 17, 2012 2:19 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Oh, did hell freeze over?
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April 17, 2012 2:20 PM - Arkady
My iris just opened - garden looks like a VanGogh.
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April 17, 2012 2:21 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Both, CGar, I was hoping the mere mention of workers would summon up DIBS. : P
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April 17, 2012 2:23 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I'll read it later, Six, my phone is too slow/small for that.
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April 17, 2012 2:23 PM - Donatella

Fedex/Kinkos PSA. They erase all data after each client. I guess beyond the disclaimer and agreement, they don't want any responsibility for files, so they erase everything. That's what they told me so I scanned and emailed my authorization. He wasn't in the office.

Obama gave an energy speech today, i.e. how to deal with high gas prices. He correctly pointed to global factors affecting prices (not specifically mentioning that US/Israel pressure on EU to join them in a boycott of Iranian oil is an incentive for the Iranians to trash talk to get the price up and to make up lost revenue) but then took the opportunity to bash Wall Street commodity speculators who will be monitored and restricted from buying up the prices like Enron did to power in the bad old days. Not only is it a bad analogy, it is bs.

This is the one of of my business related gripe with Obama. The speculators are NOT pushing up the price of oil, nor did they in the past. They do not have the power to do so; nor did they ever. What they DO do however is to provide the liquidity which decreases the overall cost of hedging and doing business. The bad guys have never been traders of oil on Wall Street. Enron engaged in fraud and played games in California, it is true. But they also get the convenient rap for the screaming incompetance of the state of California's flawed plan for deregulating electricity. How convenient.

Ok, I am out of here again. Have some errands to do in Manhattan, need to get dressed up and do some moral preening in preparation.
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April 17, 2012 2:25 PM - Donatella
Ok, fire away Benson. CGar, sorry for the long post. I DID make paragraphs at least.
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April 17, 2012 2:27 PM - Donatella

The wrong people are being made into convenient scapegoats. ok, now I am really done.

rant over.
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April 17, 2012 2:30 PM - bxgrl
But Cgar- I thought by using the word "holy" it cleaned up the word "crap." No?

How are the kids?
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April 17, 2012 2:31 PM - CGar
dona, did you get my email???
April 17, 2012 2:33 PM - CGar
Were you not AWOL, you would've seen that I cursed you out the other day, bxgrl. Those cookies you bought Sam and Max look good enough for me to eat. Damn you!
April 17, 2012 2:33 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
No email for me??? Where is the love?
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April 17, 2012 2:34 PM - CGar
It was about business, cobble.
April 17, 2012 2:37 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Business, phooey. : P
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April 17, 2012 2:40 PM - More4Less
I'm feeling some burn-out from looking, picking, & buying all these finishing items to complete the renov. Luckily, I do like buying the last batch of stuff - pic frames, mirrors, kitchen accessories, etc.
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April 17, 2012 2:42 PM - MontroseMorris
Dona, Ed Towns was very involved with issues of heath and health care in the poorer areas of his district. He could have been much more involved in the entire district, but really concentrated much of his time and energy to that. Considering how awful health care is for the poor and working poor, he could have done worse. A friend of mine is on his staff. Jeffries is much more a more modern and tech savvy guy. He's also ambitious. It's time the old guys give up the power and let some new blood in, I think it's good for the system, in general.
April 17, 2012 2:45 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I'm so bored, I would lay down on the floor and nap, if it wouldn't be inappropriate.
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April 17, 2012 2:48 PM - Legion
Our representation in Washington is pitiful,
full of corrupt politicians in various states of federal investigation.

Why can't anyone just take a paycheck and represent the people fairly.
Bunch of sneaks.

(I'm practicing for old age)
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April 17, 2012 2:49 PM - bxgrl
CGar- but the cute little cannister with the doggie on top was for you :(

Oh, OK- cookies for you next time.
April 17, 2012 2:52 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
The workers are trying to chat me up, should I tell them how old I am or mention my 6' 5 boyfriend first?
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April 17, 2012 2:56 PM - Donatella

I did, CGar, thank you so much.

Cobble, sounds harmless; smile back, bat eyes.

OK, I am groomed for business and fully preened morally. Ready for battle.


April 17, 2012 2:57 PM - Donatella

Thanks for that, MM. I really never knew and he was my congressman.
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April 17, 2012 2:57 PM - Deleted
Slopey;

Thanks. I was on a telephone interview with a company, and I passed! Second interview set up for this Friday. I am excited about this prospect. I would be working IN MANHATTAN - UNION SQUARE!!!! I would be working for a company that provides bandwidth/fiber-optic connectivity to the major financial companies in the city. No more component manufacturing work, which mainly involves getting beat up by the equipment manufacturers. The pay would be about half of what I was making at my last position, because I would go back to being an engineer, rather than an executive. I'm interested despite the pay:

-no travel = improved quality of life
-no management responsibility = improved quality of life
-shorter commute = improved quality of life.
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April 17, 2012 2:58 PM - More4Less
Cobble, guess none of these youngin co-workers are eye candy else you wouldn't be so eager to shoo them away
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April 17, 2012 2:59 PM - Deleted
Donatella;

I think you've done enough moral preening for one day. Check your mail - I think the travel brochures have arrived from Cuba.
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April 17, 2012 3:02 PM - Slopefarm
Great news, benson. Good luck. Love the commute: 3 stops (2 trains, tho), plus you get the "movie" painted on the tunnel walls just past dekalb.
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April 17, 2012 3:05 PM - Slopefarm
Actually 4 stops if you change at Dekalb for Q, and 5 if you take the N from Pacific. N used to be express from Canal to US.
April 17, 2012 3:06 PM - Legion
Great news benson.
Congrats!
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April 17, 2012 3:07 PM - More4Less
for you landlords, do I have to put tenant's security deposit, etc in an interest bearing bank account in the tenant's name? I'm asking cause I'll likely end up rent out my current coop unit - ie weak ass mkt to sell it now
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April 17, 2012 3:08 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Truer words were never spoken, M4L. Not my cup of tea.
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April 17, 2012 3:09 PM - Legion
"I'm feeling some burn-out from looking, picking, & buying all these finishing items to complete the renov. Luckily, I do like buying the last batch of stuff - pic frames, mirrors, kitchen accessories, etc."

M4L,
I'm giving you back some of your own advice my man,
smile and wave.
It's what the wives would want and that makes everyone happy.
Edited at April 17, 2012 3:09 PM
April 17, 2012 3:10 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Nice, benson, good luck!
Edited at April 17, 2012 3:10 PM
April 17, 2012 3:12 PM - Deleted
Thanks all. I urge you to keep posting - keep that demand for bandwidth going!
Edited at April 17, 2012 3:12 PM
April 17, 2012 3:14 PM - MontroseMorris
Because it's time, and overdue - a cat picture.
April 17, 2012 3:15 PM - Deleted
Yes, keep the cat pcitures going too!! Bandwidth!!
April 17, 2012 3:16 PM - Slopefarm
I can't give you legal advice, m4l, but I do not think that applies to you. But keep a separate account -- don't comingle deposit with your other funds.
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April 17, 2012 3:16 PM - Legion
"for you landlords, do I have to put tenant's security deposit, etc in an interest bearing bank account in the tenant's name?"

Not in tenant's name but as a separate interest bearing account. With interest rates being what they are these days though, the interest is soon gone in adminstrative fees.
Anyway. An account separate from your personal accounts and designated as such on your accounting books. That way, if you get an interest statement at the end of the year, you can give it to your accountant for appropriate filing with the Schedule E.

...I don't give interest back to tenants. I consider it the cost of holding their money and paying the fees to the bank to hold it.
Also, make sure you document apartment items on an inventory check list. Like light fixtures, stove, refrigerator, etc. Some of these tenants do serious damage and should be held accountable through their deposit. They should sign the inventory list with the lease agreement.
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April 17, 2012 3:17 PM - MontroseMorris
Good luck, Benson.
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April 17, 2012 3:20 PM - Legion
Go benson!
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April 17, 2012 3:25 PM - etson
Today in news that could be from The Onion but isn't:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9209758/Rugby-player-says-he-is-happier-since-stroke-turned-him-gay.html

I guess it has to be the right kind of stroke.
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April 17, 2012 3:26 PM - More4Less
thanks Slopey & Legion. Legion, I like that inventory list angle.
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April 17, 2012 3:27 PM - Slopefarm
Let me know if you get the job, benson. We run a major financial company out of chez slopey and need fiber optic bandwidth.
April 17, 2012 3:29 PM - More4Less
benson, you missed, on your list, NO Quota which is most def an improvement to quality of life.
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April 17, 2012 3:32 PM - DeLepp
etson indeed, that is hilarious but we don't need anymore nuts!
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April 17, 2012 3:34 PM - Kensingtonian
"-no travel = improved quality of life
-no management responsibility = improved quality of life
-shorter commute = improved quality of life."-benson.

I think I will soon need to sign up for completely opposite of those things but the pay will be larger. Not double but larger. There goes my quality of life. Practically all travel, management AND longer commute :o(.

Good Luck Benson! I am right by Union square as well so we can do a new RMLC which I was never a part of to begin with.
April 17, 2012 3:36 PM - Deleted
Etson;

Did you see that your name was invoked above? Legion and I would like you to investigate how it is that the writer Mark Steyn is from the Toronto area but has something of a British accent.
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April 17, 2012 3:36 PM - More4Less
Slopey, to fully utilize the optical advantage, you need the latest & greatest optical chips, relays, etc computer so that you have TRUE optical power straight to the fingers/keyboard
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April 17, 2012 3:40 PM - More4Less
Kens, suck it up man, that's the progression of being the bread winner of the household. you're ready to be a husband and a dad.
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April 17, 2012 3:40 PM - etson
I know of Mark Steyn but have not heard him speak.
Eastern Canadian accents can sound similar to SW English or some Irish accents.
Of course it could just be affectation on his part as well.
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April 17, 2012 3:43 PM - etson
Just googled him. According to wikipedia he went to high school in the UK (doesn't say why).

King Edward's Birmingham. I had a good friend @ college who had gone to high school there.
April 17, 2012 3:44 PM - CGar
^^^ As I said, nothing good has EVER come from Canada (no matter its origin).
April 17, 2012 3:45 PM - Arkady
m4L - you don't have to keep the security in a separate account for just one apt. You do not have to pay interest either. I also take pix of the condition of appliances - shelves in fridge, cook surface of stove, faucets, etc. Give 'Use & Care" booklets to tenants & tell them they're responsible for maintaining things in good condition. Put a rider on the lease that they must adhere to rubbish & recycling laws of the City & are responsible for any fines for not doing so.
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April 17, 2012 3:47 PM - CGar
m4l, I third what Slopey and Legion said, except that I commingled my tenants' security deposit with my funds - although I noted it as such on my books . . . in case I dropped dead. As I recall, small landlords (under 6 units perhaps?) are not obligated to pay interest on security deposits, so I saw no need to maintain a separate account, and none of my tenants ever cared.
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April 17, 2012 3:47 PM - etson
"nothing good has EVER come from Canada (no matter its origin)."

Did Biff beat you at pool?
Edited at April 17, 2012 3:47 PM
April 17, 2012 3:50 PM - CGar
A. Nothing I haven't said to his face.

2. We're pretty evenly matched at pool lately.

(iii) In this case, let there be no doubt I'm speaking of YOU, PB.
April 17, 2012 3:52 PM - etson
Given that I am in the process of having my extortionate Canadian taxes done I am inclined to agree, CGar.
April 17, 2012 3:55 PM - Kensingtonian
Yeah I know M4L. Fortunately it would take a LOT of money for me to be willing to take on a roll that I think my VP wants me to take so I highly doubt they'll be able to afford it unless it's a position that about 2-3 level up from where I am and no way I am getting a promotion like that considering there is no opening in my department that high up. I am not worried either way. Very content where I am for now but am interested in future growth and getting to the ranks of very lower level management (maybe 1 report or maybe not even one).

BTW, My company's management is pretty dominated by Canadians (all from Toronto). My VP is Canadian who lives in Toronto. The new company that we bought SVP is Canadian who also lives in Toronto (flies into NYC every week). My current SVP is Canadian from Toronto but lives in NYC. Our EVP is British. I think both CEO and CFO are American though.
April 17, 2012 3:55 PM - CGar
I didn't tell you to simultaneously move to Park Slope and Toronto, PB.
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April 17, 2012 4:00 PM - etson
Yeah, I should move to Houston as discussed in OT after dark last week.
April 17, 2012 4:04 PM - CGar
Do what you want. I'm tired of trying to stop you from having to live with the consequences of your mistakes.
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April 17, 2012 4:05 PM - etson
Yes, I could have been running a bar in NYC by now.
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April 17, 2012 4:05 PM - bxgrl
benson- best of luck.Keep us apprised.

Odd you say that about interest on the tenant's deposit. My landlady was sued for the interest once on an account. And she had to pay it.
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April 17, 2012 4:06 PM - DeLepp
Pros of Houston: jobs, delightful ice houses, mid century modern housing developments and great mexican food.
Cons: heat, humidity, did i mention heat?
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April 17, 2012 4:06 PM - More4Less
CGar, my coop is more than 6 units hence why my buddy mentioned the separate accounts for the deposit.
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April 17, 2012 4:09 PM - More4Less
I struck out 2 times (or maybe 3) trying to buy a bar. just like with house purchase, someone swoops in last minute to steal the deal away.
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April 17, 2012 4:14 PM - More4Less
btw, it's better to buy a liquor store than a bar. easier to audit, easier to run, easier to own as absentee owner, etc.
Edited at April 17, 2012 4:14 PM
April 17, 2012 4:31 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Where the heck is rob? Not one comment? Anyone talk to him?
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April 17, 2012 4:34 PM - Slopefarm
m4l -- but you are not the owner of 6 or more units. Also, since this is a coop, you are technically subletting, since you lease your apartment from the coop, and the rules may be different than a normal L&T situation.
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April 17, 2012 4:36 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Six, I'm trying to read that 'Twee' article. I've only gotten through two paragraphs and I'm dyin' ovah heah!

It's gone too far! Too far!! Too far, I tell you!
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April 17, 2012 4:39 PM - More4Less
Slopey, good point on the coop interpretation of the situation.
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April 17, 2012 4:43 PM - More4Less
Cobble, Rob is just sticking to what he said - try to not post here for a bit so he can complete his Chillax Cycle.
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April 17, 2012 4:45 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Okey doke. Thanks, M4L.
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April 17, 2012 4:48 PM - bxgrl
Let's hope it works.

Hey cobble- title search is done. Looks good. I hope you guys are planning to visit Troy :)
April 17, 2012 4:48 PM - Arkady
How many units in the bldg, bxgrl? We were taken to court about it once & it was tossed - & the guy who sued was a really vindictive lawyer. Also, NYT says repeatedly that it's not needed.
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April 17, 2012 4:50 PM - Slopefarm
Great news, bx, though sad to see you both go.
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April 17, 2012 4:51 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
What Slopey said, bxgrl. I'm glad it's working out, and yes, we will be up to Troy, as advertised! : )
April 17, 2012 5:00 PM - More4Less
I am HAPPY to see bxgrl and MM go as Troy is a way better situation than uber pricey BK nowadays.

bxgrl, does the bldg have a side wall for you to do some massive mural - ie "Crazy Cat Ladies from BK", "The Artist and The Writer", "Sainted Tenant Evil Landlord - Take 2 (Role reversal)", etc
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April 17, 2012 5:01 PM - rf
Newt Gingrich Gets Bitten by a Penguin
www.people.com
The Republican presidential candidate had a nippy run-in with a Magellanic penguin at the St. Louis Zoo
http://www.peoplepets.com/people/pets/article/0,,20587901,00.html

Cgar, I didn't realize you were in St. Louis. Have you had your rabies shots?
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April 17, 2012 5:06 PM - petebklyn
is L&T and anything like S&M?
who gets any interest on bank accounts anyway these days. like someone is going to be worried over 50cents?

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April 17, 2012 5:07 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I'm making a spinach, bacon and cheese quiche for dinner.
April 17, 2012 5:08 PM - Slopefarm
I'll be right over, dp.
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April 17, 2012 5:10 PM - petebklyn
benson might work in Union Sq? he'd probably petition to change the name
April 17, 2012 5:12 PM - Deleted
work in union square? should consider moving to williamsburg. quick commute AND you'd have several bars that can make a decent manhattan
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April 17, 2012 5:12 PM - Arkady
Pick me up on your way, Slopes.
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April 17, 2012 5:14 PM - Slopefarm
You sure, arkady? There's spinach in it.
April 17, 2012 5:19 PM - Arkady
I like spinach. It's chard, greens, kale & other ersatz spinach I don't like.
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April 17, 2012 5:20 PM - More4Less
Slopey, spinach is often paired with steak so she might like it. or as stereotyped, she might simply be picking out & consuming the bacon & cheese.
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April 17, 2012 5:23 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Cobble, I'll be right over with the swill and my own fork -n- bib :-)
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April 17, 2012 5:24 PM - More4Less
one mention of bacon and look who pops up as WIDELY expected.
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April 17, 2012 5:24 PM - Slopefarm
Incidentally, arkady, and speaking of cross-cultural envy, our neighbors recently did a week-long house swap with a family from Edinburgh (a recently-divorced mom and four kids, age 10-16). We had them over for bagels and lox. The kids were intelligent, engaging, well-spoken and well-mannered, and engaged with the world around them to a degree and with an inquisitiveness I rarely experience with kids raised here. All four kids went to state schools through age of about 12 and the older ones are now in private ("public") school, but equivalent of, say, Berkeley Carroll, not top tier schools.
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April 17, 2012 5:25 PM - Legion
"How many units in the bldg, bxgrl? We were taken to court about it once & it was tossed - & the guy who sued was a really vindictive lawyer. Also, NYT says repeatedly that it's not needed."

Yeah bxgrl,
it would have to be one litigious SOB to take someone to small claims for interest on a housing deposit.
Unless one were to live in a place for 20 years on a deposit of say 2000 bucks, it might begin to cover the expense and time involved.
April 17, 2012 5:25 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Hush up, M4L, I'm tryin' to get fed here!
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April 17, 2012 5:27 PM - More4Less
only a big brownie in my mouth will hush me up
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April 17, 2012 5:28 PM - More4Less
Let's kick some geezers tonight!!!
Let's go Knicks!!!!!!!!!
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April 17, 2012 5:28 PM - Slopefarm
Chard, yuck. Kale, OTOH, I've come to really like. Fave recipes are: kale chips (coat with olive oil, sprinkle with kosher salt, and bake at 300 for half an hour); tuscan white bean soup with kale; kale, cheese and egg pie (tastes kind of like spanikopita, but a different crust).
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April 17, 2012 5:28 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Can't help you there...I don't stock chocolate items. How about some Cheerios?
April 17, 2012 5:30 PM - Slopefarm
I think snappy's on the Seinfeld diet.
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April 17, 2012 5:30 PM - Legion
"The kids were intelligent, engaging, well-spoken and well-mannered, and engaged with the world around them to a degree and with an inquisitiveness I rarely experience with kids raised here."

I'm sure you wanted kick them in the arse by dessert time.
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April 17, 2012 5:30 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Well, I have to say, if I ever have any of you over, I know WHAT (and what not) to feed you! ; )
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April 17, 2012 5:31 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Seinfeld diet?
April 17, 2012 5:32 PM - More4Less
Cobble, so you know, I eat ANYTHING / EVERYTHING
April 17, 2012 5:32 PM - CGar
"Yes, I could have been running a bar in NYC by now."

Lol, PB. You say that's as if it's a bad thing. Funny, we discussed the bar long before Montero's was a blip on the radar screen.
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April 17, 2012 5:33 PM - Legion
Hey The What,

...are you still here?

I wanted to get your take on the economic problems you are seeing on the horizon.
Is it the problems in Spain and Italy that you are alluding to?
What exactly do you see happening? A European debt crisis crossing the Atlantic?
April 17, 2012 5:33 PM - Slopefarm
Legion, I thought the kids were great. I wanted to keep them around long enough to have more of it rub off on the farmhand (she loved hanging out and talking with them, too).
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April 17, 2012 5:35 PM - Legion
What did they like most about New York slopefarm?
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April 17, 2012 5:37 PM - CGar
"Pros of Houston: jobs, delightful ice houses, mid century modern housing developments and great mexican food."

I'll help you pack.

April 17, 2012 5:39 PM - Arkady
What school, Slopey? My brother went to Boroughmuir. I went to the local public (in our sense) school.
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April 17, 2012 5:39 PM - dibs
VERY busy day today. Raked leaves and cleaned out front garden and side of house, unpacked all of the furniture & boxes, went into town for oysters, bought a few quarts of paint to test in LR and DR. Resting now before dinner at Ciro & Sals
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April 17, 2012 5:39 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Yes. Yes, I do know that, M4L! I'm perfectly clear!
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April 17, 2012 5:39 PM - More4Less
CGar, can you help me pack too?
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April 17, 2012 5:40 PM - dibs
And the weather was incredible...like July here but without the crowds.
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April 17, 2012 5:41 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Slight delay, DIBS, I'll be heading up in the morning. ; )
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April 17, 2012 5:42 PM - Slopefarm
It was early in their trip. They really liked Ellis Island and they had a lot of fun at Coney Island. They tried to do the Guggenheim and the Met the same day and were burned out by the time they hit the Met. We left town the next day and did not hear about the rest of the trip but I know they were itchy to do some clothes shopping -- both big name stores and vintage stores. Favorable exchange rate. They also ran into hordes of hasids, who do tons of tourist stuff in large groups (busloads) in the week after the first two days of passover, and had lots of questions about them. They were fascinated when we regaled them with our trip to the nitpicker.
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April 17, 2012 5:45 PM - Slopefarm
I can't remember, arkady, but I think it was right by where we stayed last summer. All the way down at the foot of the hill north of Princes Street near the arboretum.
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April 17, 2012 5:46 PM - Slopefarm
Go now, dp. Just leave the quiche in the oven. We'll take care of it.
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April 17, 2012 5:47 PM - Legion
haha slopefarm,
sounds like they had a great time.
Guggenheim and the Met does sound very ambitious given the huge crowds at both.
Shopping seems to be a biggie on most visitors' lists; Levi's, Timberlands, NorthFace all those American brands are big on European lists.
April 17, 2012 5:48 PM - More4Less
nite all. off to pick up the bosses.

let's go Knicks and Mets!!!!!!!!!
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April 17, 2012 5:56 PM - CGar
dave! I just saw an ad over there for Smith & Hawken. What gives? Any idea?
April 17, 2012 5:56 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
You know I would, if I could, Slopey!
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April 17, 2012 5:57 PM - Slopefarm
Yes, legion, exactly. And the 10 year old performed quite an amusing impression of some of the, um, parenting styles he observed on the F Train headed out to Coney Island.
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April 17, 2012 5:58 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I thought Smith & Hawken closed down? I used to love their (admittedly over-priced) stuff.
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April 17, 2012 5:58 PM - Slopefarm
Night, all.

Day 2 tomorrow of middle school statewides (ELA).
April 17, 2012 5:59 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I can't swear that all of this bacon is going to make it into the quiche.
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April 17, 2012 5:59 PM - DeLepp
smith and hawken is exclusive to target now.
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April 17, 2012 6:01 PM - CGar
cobble, someone of your ilk should know it's "Hawken". And, apparently it's now available only through Target, which I'm guessing bought the name, etc. in bankruptcy.
Edited at April 17, 2012 6:03 PM
April 17, 2012 6:01 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Oh, really, how odd, delepp.
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April 17, 2012 6:02 PM - CGar
cobble, so as not to tax you (too much) . . .

http://sites.target.com/site/en/spot/page.jsp?title=smithandhawken_landing

I've been wanting some S&H teak furniture for yours and BH's new terrace.
Edited at April 17, 2012 6:02 PM
April 17, 2012 6:03 PM - dibs
CGar...did you post in the Forum???? If not, you should see this...LOL

http://forum.brownstoner.com/question/wf2ajK9njXk=/risks-of-buying-condo-without-permits-for-prior-renovations
Edited at April 17, 2012 6:03 PM
April 17, 2012 6:05 PM - CGar
dave, I just txtd you.
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April 17, 2012 6:05 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Yes, yes, it was a typo. Lord knows I spent plenty of my hard earned nickels there, dear!

Well, if you're very nice, and say please, I would loan you my old stuff until you can get new stuff. It's just sitting in the short people's basement.
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April 17, 2012 6:05 PM - DeLepp
the beaver...
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April 17, 2012 6:10 PM - CGar
Thanks, cobble. I was actually thinking of asking you for a loan. And I may take you up on your kind offer. I'm giving away my garden furniture because it's bigger than what I want out there (if only Arkady would focus!). I think your table and mine are the same size. I want to get a 36" round table.
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April 17, 2012 6:13 PM - CGar
Having gazpacho with my salad for dinner. Yum. Extra roughage.
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April 17, 2012 6:17 PM - CGar
So what do y'all think . . . same Smith & Hawken quality???
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April 17, 2012 6:20 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Up to you, ponder. BH says he thinks it is 48", but that's just a guess. I can look it up, I'm sure I have the paperwork in a folder. I'll look for it.
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April 17, 2012 6:24 PM - CGar
Thanks, cobble. I have a feeling yours is 48", as is mine.
April 17, 2012 6:25 PM - bxgrl
Re the tenant accounts- it was a small 16 unit building. Don't standard leases say something about internet on security deposits?

And thanks all- I am really happy to be leaving NY. I think MM is too actually. It's been a very rough few years. Yes- the building is over 3500 sq.ft, and was always a 2 family. I am looking forward to EVLL landlord take 2, M4L :) But for the first time in my life I will have a big studio. And my work was already accepted into a fine art gallery up there for a July show so I am really looking forward to it. And I'll have a brand new renovated kitchen for the first time too. And thank G-d for family- mine has really pulled together to make this happen for me. MM will be living downstairs *snicker, snicker* - I am buying several pairs of wooden Dutch clogs to wear around the house.

And we're hoping for PLusa visitors. Open invites.
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April 17, 2012 6:30 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Check out LL Bean, too, CGar, they have free shipping right now.

Re: Quality: I dunno, CGar, I wonder if they are sourcing the stuff from the same places? And just not marking it up as much? I'm curious to know....if it is, I say go for it!
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April 17, 2012 6:30 PM - CGar
"I am really happy to be leaving NY. I think MM is too actually."

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
April 17, 2012 6:31 PM - CGar
I'll check out Bean, too, cobble, thanks. I need to replace a pair of Blucher mocs that Sam and Max ate anyway.
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April 17, 2012 6:31 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Nuthin' like a new kitchen to cheer a girl up, I say!

(Oh lord, let the retribution begin!) MM! RUN, RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!
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April 17, 2012 6:33 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
"we're hoping for PLusa visitors. Open invites."

You are, of course, reserving the sunny East Wing bedroom suite for us, correct? ; )
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April 17, 2012 6:40 PM - CGar
Tonight's top stories:

> identity theft at the IRS (a Russian from Brooklyn was just arrested, though I'm not naming names)

> boondoggles at the GSA (where I think Pete worked)

> prostitutes at the Secret Service

"My, my, my" (Benson - SOAP)


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April 17, 2012 6:43 PM - MontroseMorris
I'm glad to start a new adventure, but I am very sad to leave Brooklyn and my friends and community. Some days I can't wait to get outta here, some days I get teary walking down the street.

For the record, the soon-to-be-slumlord already clomps around in hob nailed boots. So do her cats.

I'm planning my tenant late night phone calls now. "Hi, did I wake you up? My lightbulb burned out in the hall. Can you come down and fix it now?"
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April 17, 2012 6:53 PM - Legion
Congratulations MM and Bxgrl,
a two family upstate sounds great
and still close to the city for the occasional jaunt.
I'm sure you'll soon make the spaces uniquely your own.
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April 17, 2012 6:53 PM - Arkady
I'm not at all happy about this move but I will graciously wish you well.
(And now that you're a LL, bxgrl, anything over 4 or 6 units requires separate accnt & interest paid.)
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April 17, 2012 6:55 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Oh, I dunno, MM, why wait for it to burn out? Just break it, and then stand there saying things like "I can't imagine what happened. It just stopped working." ; )
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April 17, 2012 6:59 PM - CGar
DeLepp will be very unhappy. The HM Emperor Penguin population in Antarctica has doubled.
April 17, 2012 7:04 PM - Deleted
Bxgrl and Montrose;

Congratulations! Good luck on your new start.
Edited at April 17, 2012 7:04 PM
April 17, 2012 7:05 PM - Deleted
congrats ladies!
Edited at April 17, 2012 7:05 PM
April 17, 2012 7:06 PM - MontroseMorris
Thanks, guys and gals.
April 17, 2012 7:07 PM - bxgrl
Oh please- no new ideas, thank you! She kept a scrapbook of all my tenant evil deeds and will be using it as her bible.

I m sad to leave Brooklyn- really. But I am beyond exhausted with NYC living. 9/11 was really a watershed moment and not too surprisingly, many of my friends from that community have left NYC for much the same reasons. And I am hoping you guys know you'll always be welcome up there. The more the merrier and I need an excuse to cook big dinners besides Thanksgiving:)

Except for cobble- who has too many evil tenant ideas of her own.

Thanks Arkady- what color shall I paint your bedroom?
Edited at April 17, 2012 7:07 PM
April 17, 2012 7:07 PM - rf
So Cgar, did you break your penguin teeth biting Newt?
http://www.politico.com/blogs/click/2012/04/newt-gingrich-bitten-by-a-penguin-120698.html

(my second report on this vital topic--I will not be ignored!)
Edited at April 17, 2012 7:07 PM
April 17, 2012 7:13 PM - bxgrl
Thanks everyone. We will be back in NYC quite a bit. Troy isn't all that fair and it's a great little city. On the con side, Dib' family lives in Albany so we are expecting the prerequisite visits from the ex-lord of Bed-stuy. (kidding- we'd love to have him visit.)
Picture of my soon to be living room
April 17, 2012 7:13 PM - MontroseMorris
Still here for a while though, don't see myself moving until mid summer at earliest. Bx will move up first, as her apartment is more or less "done", as far as the neccessities of water, plumbing, electricity and kitchen are concerned. My apartment has no kitchen or bath. And both need tons of cosmetic work. I also have to take care of stuff with this house, which is going to take time, and I need to be here.
Edited at April 17, 2012 7:13 PM
April 17, 2012 7:15 PM - MontroseMorris
Picture of my kitchen, as of now.
Edited at April 17, 2012 7:15 PM
April 17, 2012 7:17 PM - bxgrl
MM- damn! You should talk to your slumlord ASAP!!!!!!!!!!! Do I know him or her?
Edited at April 17, 2012 7:17 PM
April 17, 2012 7:23 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
"Except for cobble- who has too many evil tenant ideas of her own."

Snort! (MM, Keep in touch, I have more evil tenant ideas for you! ; ) )

Gorgeous, bxgrl! The woodwork alone is lovely, the light! Let alone the space!

Uhm, MM, I smell a lawsuit. Uninhabitable!!! Call your lawyer! ; )
Edited at April 17, 2012 7:23 PM
April 17, 2012 7:26 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
"Thanks Arkady- what color shall I paint your bedroom?"

There must be some mistake, of course you mean MY bedroom suite???!!! A nice robin's egg blue with a little grey in it would be fine, thank you for asking!
Edited at April 17, 2012 7:26 PM
April 17, 2012 7:26 PM - bxgrl
She can't call her lawyer, cobble. He's chained up in the basement ;^}
April 17, 2012 7:27 PM - Deleted
look at all that dark, depressing woodwork - you must by psyched! ;)
Edited at April 17, 2012 7:27 PM
April 17, 2012 7:38 PM - bxgrl
I am, DH!!!!

Cobble- I love that color blue. Am thinking about it for my studio. (Do you mind if YOUR suite of rooms is the same color as my studio?
Edited at April 17, 2012 7:38 PM
April 17, 2012 7:40 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Yes, terribly dreary, dark, depressing, I couldn't agree more.

You'd be much happier in my plain woodwork/detail-free-zone white vanilla box apt. Let's trade! : P
Edited at April 17, 2012 7:41 PM
April 17, 2012 8:02 PM - bxgrl
Oh no, cobble. I could never inflict this dark dreary depressing woodwork on you! We're friends, after all!
Edited at April 17, 2012 8:02 PM
April 17, 2012 8:04 PM - Deleted
If you would like, I've got a solution for that dark woodwork. My main tool is a crowbar.
Edited at April 17, 2012 8:04 PM
April 17, 2012 8:06 PM - Slopefarm
"look at all that dark, depressing woodwork"

Ah, there are still a few of us that remember the Victorian vs Edwardian wars from the early days over there. People would blogyell at each other over painted woodwork.
Edited at April 17, 2012 8:06 PM
April 17, 2012 8:10 PM - lechacal
Can someone please give the an executive summary of today's OT?

Thx
Jackal
Edited at April 17, 2012 8:10 PM
April 17, 2012 8:12 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Ever so kind, bxgrl, always thinking of others, but truly, I am just thinking of how you value light, and these (ever so blindingly) fresh white clean (not a spec of detail to be found!) walls are nothing if not LIGHT!! ; )
Edited at April 17, 2012 8:12 PM
April 17, 2012 8:13 PM - Deleted
has anyone heard of the 2Pac hologram?

there was a music festival in cali this past weekend called coachella. one of the headliners was Snoop Dogg + Dr Dre. Apparently one of the songs they had this very lifelike hologram of 2Pac perform on stage. Looks pretty cool!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajVGIRsKXdo (FFW to 3:08)


Edited at April 17, 2012 8:13 PM
April 17, 2012 8:14 PM - lechacal
Dh - search YouTube for coachella start wearing purple and you will find raw awesome
Edited at April 17, 2012 8:14 PM
April 17, 2012 8:24 PM - lechacal
I really don't have time to read today's OT but I still need to know who said stupid things that need to be mocked. Can someone at least point me to the dumbest post of the day?
Edited at April 17, 2012 8:24 PM
April 17, 2012 8:32 PM - Arkady
lech - It was more dull & boring, not stupid as such.
Edited at April 17, 2012 8:32 PM
April 17, 2012 8:32 PM - CGar
rf, the question is whether you've had YOUR rabies shots.
April 17, 2012 8:33 PM - CGar
"She can't call her lawyer, cobble. He's chained up in the basement ;^}"

No, he's NOT.

Edited at April 17, 2012 8:33 PM
April 17, 2012 8:35 PM - petebklyn
looks nice bxgrl. similar to lot of houses where I grew up. The bay window, columns woodwork separating living room from dining room. Nice and bright. Is there a front and back porch?
April 17, 2012 8:35 PM - Deleted
Haha. Gogol rules.


Edited at April 17, 2012 8:35 PM
April 17, 2012 8:39 PM - petebklyn
rob wasn't posting so nobody was mothering him or getting pissed off at him.
everyone go along and no fighting. you would have hated it.
Edited at April 17, 2012 8:39 PM
April 17, 2012 8:43 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: One question..
If Brooklyn is so great why is everyone leaving?????????!!!!
I have a few answers but, I wanna hear is from the 'Tard gallery...

The What *Laughing like a MOFO***
Someday this war is gonna end...
Edited at April 17, 2012 8:43 PM
April 17, 2012 8:48 PM - Slopefarm
Not worth answering until the premise is proven. Is everybody leaving? Borough population is up, according to recent news.
Edited at April 17, 2012 8:48 PM
April 17, 2012 8:53 PM - lechacal
The non retard population in Brooklyn is shrinking.
Edited at April 17, 2012 8:53 PM
April 17, 2012 8:53 PM - Donatella

There was a lot of moral preening, Lech.
Edited at April 17, 2012 8:53 PM
April 17, 2012 8:53 PM - Deleted
Brooklyn. No one goes there anymore. It's too crowded.
Edited at April 17, 2012 8:53 PM
April 17, 2012 8:53 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: "Not worth answering until the premise is proven."
Well Dave left and MM and Bxgrl is right behind him.
I thought Brooklyn was groovy with all the "artisan' thangs going on.
Maybe Brooklyn is retarded now, retarded rent, retarded ideas and retarded people.

The What

Someday this war is gonna end...
Edited at April 17, 2012 8:53 PM
April 17, 2012 8:54 PM - Donatella

Congratulations to MM and Bxgrl. Wow, looks like a nice space, Bxgrl...
Edited at April 17, 2012 8:54 PM
April 17, 2012 8:55 PM - Donatella

Brooklyn is too hip for me. I am moving to Bayonne.
Edited at April 17, 2012 8:55 PM
April 17, 2012 8:56 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: "The non retard population in Brooklyn is shrinking."
I disagree Jackal! Why strait men dress up like there're Gay!
I wanted to tell this assfuck to take his sister's pants off!
Vanderbilt Ave is Retard City and Forget about Fulton St!

The What

Someday this war is gonna end...
April 17, 2012 8:57 PM - CGar
I'm not leaving Brooklyn. I just went to contract today on a 2 bedroom condo in Cobble Hill.
Edited at April 17, 2012 8:57 PM
April 17, 2012 8:58 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: "I'm not leaving Brooklyn. I just went to contract today on a 2 bedroom condo in Cobble Hill."
Famous last words.....

The What

Someday this war is gonna end..
Edited at April 17, 2012 8:58 PM
April 17, 2012 9:01 PM - lechacal
What - that was code for saying the population growth is due to retards moving in while non retards are moving out.
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:01 PM
April 17, 2012 9:06 PM - Arkady
People who drive around suburbia in a Mini have just taken Park Slope w/ them. You can take the boy out of Bklyn but...
April 17, 2012 9:08 PM - CGar
"retards moving in while non retards are moving out"

And, of course, had my law partner decided to buy in Park Slope rather than Irvington, it would be "retards moving out while non retards are moving in".
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:08 PM
April 17, 2012 9:10 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: "What - that was code for saying the population growth is due to retards moving in while non retards are moving out."

No Jackal - The front running Retards are moving out - Like Fucked in Bed Stuy! Remember the good old days - Brooklyn Real Estate
Blah Blah Blah and now people are leaving?? Are you kidding me? i'm talking about NOW Jackal, NOW!!!!
Brooklyn is UNAFFORDABLE!!!! Playing fucking 1800.00 in Bed Stuy, give me a break!

The What

Someday this war is gonna end...
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:09 PM
April 17, 2012 9:12 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: CGAR Park Slope is a Graveyard. On 7th Ave the storefronts want 15,000 a month for rent.
All of the old business are gone and there's a ton of empty spaces there.
How come Brownstoner is not reporting this trend---->
LMMFAO Brooklyn is fucked!

The What
Someday this war is gonna end...

Edited at April 17, 2012 9:12 PM
April 17, 2012 9:24 PM - bxgrl
Leaving because Troy offers a better quality of life than Brooklyn. Donatella- you'll have to come up and see for yourself :)

That's wonderful, CGar! The place is beautiful- you'll be really happy there.

Cobble I knew you would understand. And thanks for the offer, benson but since I know how to decorate, that dark dreay woodwork won't be a problem. But if you'd like to come up and do the polishing for me...... I'll make sandwiches.
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:24 PM
April 17, 2012 9:26 PM - Deleted
Actually I think Brownstoner did a few threads on how retail on 7th ave sucks.
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:26 PM
April 17, 2012 9:27 PM - lechacal
Ever have one of those days when you're feeling ornery and you're not sure if you need a drink, a fistfight, a good run, or sex?
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:27 PM
April 17, 2012 9:28 PM - lechacal
I have those days. I call them weekdays.
April 17, 2012 9:30 PM - Deleted
You know where retail is really hurting? Bleecker St. in Greenwich Village. I was there a couple of weeks ago, and it seemed that half the storefronts were empty.

Re: Brooklyn. As long as there is a Benson, there is Brooklyn.
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:30 PM
April 17, 2012 9:40 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Where do you live, What? I forget.
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:40 PM
April 17, 2012 9:41 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Oh my - in Sweden of all places!

"The cake's actually a piece of performance art by Makode Aj Linde, who plays the yelling head and says that the cake's meant to be provocative social commentary on the issue of female circumcision in Africa as it's viewed by the West. And Swedish Minister of Culture Lena Adelsohn Liljeroth says she was asked to cut the cake as part of her official appearance at the event, which she describes as a "bizarre situation." According to Aj Linde's Facebook page, Liljeroth was asked to whisper "Your life will be better after this!" before cutting into the crotch.

If this performance art were an Ikea bedroom set, it would be the Whatderfük collection."

http://jezebel.com/5902672/swedish-official-gleefully-cuts-racist-black-lady-cake-crowd-laughs--laughs?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow&fb_source=message
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:41 PM
April 17, 2012 9:46 PM - Donatella

Pete, are you around? Did you say you have plants? You were looking for me, and I made a mental note and then uuh...forgot.

I had a plate full of roasted vegetables for dinner. Once a week, this diet calls for a vegetarian day. I am at -8lbs.
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:46 PM
April 17, 2012 9:46 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: "Ever have one of those days when you're feeling ornery and you're not sure if you need a drink, a fistfight, a good run, or sex?"
Start drinking with your wife, punch her in the face, let her chase you then, have "make up " sex!

The What

Someday this war is gonna end..
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:46 PM
April 17, 2012 9:47 PM - sixyearsandcounting
WTF? The video:
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/afrosvenskar-kraver-ministeravgang
Edited at April 17, 2012 9:47 PM
April 17, 2012 9:47 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: "Where do you live, What? I forget."

Asshathill Brooklyn, N.Y.

The What
Someday this war is gonna end..
April 17, 2012 9:48 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: The Knicks are fisting Boston!

The What

Someday this war is gonna end...
April 17, 2012 10:03 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Oh right, Clinton Hill. We looked at places there. On Bedford? And DeKalb, too.
April 17, 2012 10:06 PM - petebklyn
if you think $1800 rent is a lot -- just means you're old.
remember grampa saying I remember when subway was a nickel. now you're a grandpa. admit it old man the what.
Edited at April 17, 2012 10:06 PM
April 17, 2012 10:11 PM - lechacal
Good to have you back, what. Just remember, no talking about people's barista and no threatening people physically mkay?
Edited at April 17, 2012 10:11 PM
April 17, 2012 10:12 PM - lechacal
Wow, iPad auto corrects varjays to barista???
Edited at April 17, 2012 10:12 PM
April 17, 2012 10:17 PM - sixyearsandcounting
haha lech.
Edited at April 17, 2012 10:17 PM
April 17, 2012 10:28 PM - Donatella

Pete, you were wondering where I was earlier. Do you have plants???
Edited at April 17, 2012 10:28 PM
April 17, 2012 10:33 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: "if you think $1800 rent is a lot -- just means you're old."
No, it's mean you're retarded!

"Good to have you back, what. Just remember, no talking about people's barista and no threatening people physically mkay?"
Stop pointing that fucking M-4 at me Jackal!!!!!

I'm back for a reason - I've been purified in my time in the wilderness, this nonsense call the Mutant Asset Bubble and it's fucking bastard spawn Gentrification is getting ready to go down. I wanna be here when it does.

The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
The What
Someday this war is gonna end..
Edited at April 17, 2012 10:33 PM
April 17, 2012 10:41 PM - Legion
I'm back from a meeting.
Did I miss any douchebaggery, vicarious culturalism or moral preening while I was away?
Edited at April 17, 2012 10:41 PM
April 17, 2012 10:48 PM - Donatella
hhhmmmm........ well, how long have you been away, Legion? Douchebaggery, yes, we've got that real time, all the time. Vicarious culturalism, ah, no..... last I heard Benson said I should be getting some emails on my Cuba trip and about MORAL PREENING..... why YES. In fact. I have been doing it all day and am now preparing for a day of it tomorrow!!

Was the meeting anything interesting?
Edited at April 17, 2012 10:48 PM
April 17, 2012 10:56 PM - Legion
haha,
true, I didn't even have to bother asking.

The meeting was nothing to write home about. Mostly I practiced looking interested as other people spoke.


Edited at April 17, 2012 10:56 PM
April 17, 2012 11:05 PM - Legion
Do you have any idea what people do with a B.A. in communications and environmental studies?
I received a graduation announcement today from a distant relative in California (UC Santa Cruz) but I have no idea what these studies would lead to.
April 17, 2012 11:06 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Aw, What, it's so nice that you want to be here with us for the coming Bastard Spawn Gentrification Apocalypse. That's so sweet!

Are you taking your meds, like the nice nurse tells you to?
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:06 PM
April 17, 2012 11:16 PM - Legion
I have a feeling that I've met The What before,
probably passed each other on the street in Fort Greene in the early 1980's.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:16 PM
April 17, 2012 11:32 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: "Are you taking your meds, like the nice nurse tells you to?"
Nope I'm banging the shit out of her! Are you watching Cobble?????

"I have a feeling that I've met The What before"
Hi Legion, Remember what I said about the jackasses coming back to Brownstoner?
My anal-ysis was spot on!

Hiya Dontella, You no wanna speak to your neighbor????

The What

Someday this war is gonna end...
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:32 PM
April 17, 2012 11:33 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: "As I held it in my hand and examined it from all directions it suddenly dawned on me,
it was a single vertebra. Almost fossilized with shell like calcium deposits.
...and it wasn't a fish vertebra, it had the distinct appearance of human vertebra
and a very old one at that."

In English Legion! I don't have a M.D.!!!!

The What

Someday this war is gonna end..
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:33 PM
April 17, 2012 11:36 PM - Deleted
You shoulda put it on some twine and sold it at the flea for 145 bux
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:36 PM
April 17, 2012 11:39 PM - Legion
...it was a human backbone What.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:39 PM
April 17, 2012 11:39 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: I know that part Legion but, was there a aborting Clinic around or something????
is there a new species of humans in Brooklyn? I know it's the Retards, those little vertebrae
will grow up to overpay for rent in Brooklyn! ROTFLMMFAO!!

AAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEE Run for your lives!!!!!

The What *I just crack myself up*
Someday this war is gonna end...
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:39 PM
April 17, 2012 11:39 PM - Legion
LMAO
dh!

Edited at April 17, 2012 11:39 PM
April 17, 2012 11:40 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: "You shoulda put it on some twine and sold it at the flea for 145 bux"
LMMFAO! Nice one Dirty! BTW How are you doing Dirty, just getting re-adjusted with everthing!

The What

Someday this war is gonna end...
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:40 PM
April 17, 2012 11:42 PM - Donatella
Hi Neighbor. Hi What. So how do you like Lin? Melo? I sort of gave up on the Knicks a while ago but seems like they are getting a pulse.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:42 PM
April 17, 2012 11:44 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: The vertebrae belong to some poor smuck that *ahem* lost his way being a part of *ahem*
Some group of *ahem* of some people *ahem* that fired him in a *ahem* special way.

The What
Someday this war is gonna end...
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:44 PM
April 17, 2012 11:46 PM - Legion
...no doubt What,
there've been people in these parts for a thousand years,
even before the Brooklyn Flea.
I'm sure many of them met their unfortunate and untimely end in Jamaica Bay.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:46 PM
April 17, 2012 11:49 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: I like Lin but, he should not hog the ball when Melo around.
Knicks are playing great basketball!
BTW Dontella - I thought you was over reacting about the noise coming from Atlantic Yards (Atlantic Ave)
Well I was walking down Fulton St one night around 1:00 AM, I started to head loud banging like BOOM, BOOM, BOOM!!!
I was like Oh shit that's loud as hell and I thought about you! God damn that shit was loud!!!!

The What

Someday this war is gonna end...
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:49 PM
April 17, 2012 11:50 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Cool your jets, What, I was just razzing you.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:50 PM
April 17, 2012 11:52 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: "Cool your jets, What, I was just razzing you."
Yeah I razzing you too, just like old times.

The What

Someday this war is gonna end..
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:52 PM
April 17, 2012 11:54 PM - Legion
Strangest thing that happened this week.
I went to a local park with little legion to hit some tennis balls.
The park is by a large bay and while walking across the basketball courts we noticed the shards from hundreds of broken clam shells.
We wondered what the hell was going on. Was there some sort of weird clam bake we didn't know about.
Soon enough, we learned the answer.
Behind us we heard the distinct sound of sea gulls followed by a large crashing noise like a clam shell hitting
the hard pavement at high speed. There was not a person to be seen as it was early morning yet.
Then the shattering sound again.
Then we actually saw a sea gull fly over us and drop a clam shell to break it into pieces.
Shortly afterwards a couple of the large sea gulls swooped down to munch on the clam shell innards.
...but that wasn't the strangest part.

As I walked through the clam shell graveyard, I spotted a star shapped object at once familiar and
alien.
I picked it up thinking it was an unusual shell.
As I held it in my hand and examined it from all directions it suddenly dawned on me,
it was a single vertebra. Almost fossilized with shell like calcium deposits.
...and it wasn't a fish vertebra, it had the distinct appearance of a human vertebra
and a very old one at that. It was obvious that a seagull had picked up this bone fragment somewhere
in the adjacent bay and dropped it on this hard asphalt surface thinking it would crack like a clam.

hummmmmm.


Edited at April 17, 2012 11:54 PM
April 17, 2012 11:56 PM - Donatella
Yeah, most of the noise now is coming from laying down new gas and water pipes along Atlantic Ave. But when it was really bothering me was when they were putting in new pipes on Clermont between Fulton and Atlantic. They are not even building yet on the eastern end. They work all night on the streets. Now I just have a white noise machine.

Legion, I guess people have been feeding the fishes in Jamaica Bay for a long time. When I lived on the beach, I liked watching the gulls. The best is when they fly down to the beach, then plunk themselves down in a crowd and just stand there. Doing nothing. Just standing.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:56 PM
April 17, 2012 11:58 PM - Donatella
G'night losers.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:58 PM
April 17, 2012 11:58 PM - Legion
'night everyone.
Edited at April 17, 2012 11:58 PM
April 17, 2012 11:59 PM - Not_Logged_In
Return of You Know Who: Well Dontella you better brace yourself for higher property taxes from all of the AY construction.
Anyway I have to go study, good night retards, be well..

The What

Someday this war is gonna end...
April 18, 2012 12:03 AM - Donatella

Yeah, What, they already are going up.

Well, burn that midnight oil!

Good night.
Edited at April 18, 2012 12:03 AM