Thursday Open Thread
December 29, 2011 8:30 AM - CGar
Revenge of the Dog People, Part II

380 comments
December 29, 2011 8:33 AM - dibs
Lure of Chinese Tuition Squeezes Out Asian-American Students

Dec. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Kwanhyun Park, the 18-year-old son of Korean immigrants, spent four years at Beverly Hills High School earning the straight As and high test scores he thought would get him into the University of California, San Diego. They weren’t enough.
The sought-after school, half a mile from the Pacific Ocean, admitted 1,460 fewer California residents this year to accept higher-paying students from out-of-state, many from China.
“I was shocked,” said Park, who also was rejected from four other UC schools, including the top-ranked campuses in Berkeley and Los Angeles, even with a 4.0 grade-point average and an SAT score above the UC San Diego average. “I took it terribly. I felt like I was doing well and I failed.”
The University of California system, rocked by budget cuts, is enrolling record numbers of out-of-state and international students, who pay almost twice that of in-state residents. Among those being squeezed out: high-achieving Asian-Americans, many of them children of immigrants, who for decades flocked to the state’s elite public colleges to move up the economic ladder.

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#1
December 29, 2011 8:35 AM - CGar
GM, dave.
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#2
December 29, 2011 8:40 AM - dibs
GM, CGar
#3
December 29, 2011 8:41 AM - dibs
Not my actual Akita but the exact same coloring and pattern as "Toshi."
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#4
December 29, 2011 8:42 AM - CGar
Is that an Akita?
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#5
December 29, 2011 8:43 AM - CGar
I'm partial to Chinese dogs . . .
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#6
December 29, 2011 8:44 AM - dibs
I've had more than my fair share of "Chinese dogs."
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#7
December 29, 2011 8:45 AM - Deleted
Boo hoo. People don't get into the colleges they want all the time.
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#8
December 29, 2011 8:45 AM - CGar
"Not my actual Akita but the exact same coloring and pattern as "Toshi.""

Same thing with the first Chow pic I posted - same coloring and look as the CDog.
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#9
December 29, 2011 8:46 AM - dibs
Speaking of dogs and Asians, here's a craigslist ad:

Hi, my name is 'lucky'-i am a dumb animal, a collie mix. i am seeking a HOT, YOUNG ASIAN, or MEXICAN MAN to be my 'Handler' and Owner. i am 31 inches high, 5 foot 8 on it's 'hind legs', 159 pounds. i have very short blonde hair, brown eyes, hairy chest and belly [You could shave it if You would like!]. Small dog 'pud', and nice fat 'rump'!. Want to be kept as a part time house pet. i will lick Your face, hand, feet, toes, and all Your sandals and shoes!. i will entertain You and amuse You by performing animal tricks, and being Your 'faith full companion'!. Would like a poss. dog- Hanndler/ Owner/ Lover relationship IF that is what Master wishes!. Of course You'll want to give it a new 'dog name' of Your choosing!. You, ASIAN , MEXICAN, or CENTRAL AMERICAN, 18-35, shorter than it and long hair a plus!. Your pix gets it's!.


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#10
December 29, 2011 8:46 AM - CGar
GM, Holmes.
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#11
December 29, 2011 8:47 AM - dibs
Yes, dh, but I doubt you had a 4.0 high school GPA and scored top in entrance exams!!!!!!!
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#12
December 29, 2011 8:48 AM - DeadCatBounce
Dave, as you know better than most, Asian Americans frequently get screwed.
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#13
December 29, 2011 8:50 AM - Deleted
4.0 means shit. Depends on how competitive the high school is. And that kid only scored better than the avg score of ucsd.

If he was brilliant he would have gotten in.
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#14
December 29, 2011 8:51 AM - dibs
Yes, DCB and I've been doing everything I possibly can (nh) to turn that situation around and let them do the screwing
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#15
December 29, 2011 8:52 AM - dibs
dh, you're in a rather pissy mood for having the week off. Are you perhaps sitting in a hipster-filled coffee shop right now????
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#16
December 29, 2011 8:52 AM - CGar
GM, DCB.

This post of yours last night was moronic: "It always amazes me how intolerant liberals are to any ideas other than their own, particularly spiritual or philosophical ideas."

I'm a liberal, and I am anything but intolerant to other ideas, including spiritual. And I was the liberal who posted to JB about what I like about Buddhism and that I'd gone to a Thai Buddhist prayer meeting a few weeks ago.
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#17
December 29, 2011 8:52 AM - Deleted
Haha. Haven't had coffee yet. My apologies.
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#18
December 29, 2011 8:53 AM - dibs
"I'm a liberal, and I am anything but intolerant to other ideas, including spiritual. And I was the liberal who posted to JB about what I like about Buddhism and that I'd gone to a Thai Buddhist prayer meeting a few weeks ago."

So, did you meet any new talent there????
#19
December 29, 2011 8:54 AM - CGar
Yes. But none for you.
#20
December 29, 2011 8:55 AM - Deleted
Cgars a Buddhist Jewish bartender lawyer. Only in Brooklyn
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#21
December 29, 2011 8:55 AM - DeadCatBounce
The truth is most Asian Americans just quietly do their best and don't make a huge political firestorm over this kind of thing.
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#22
December 29, 2011 8:57 AM - DeadCatBounce
Good Morning Cgar.
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#23
December 29, 2011 8:58 AM - Deleted
Admissions at state universities in Cali have always been incredibly competitive
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#24
December 29, 2011 8:58 AM - dibs
DCB, I think we are moving beyond the times of quiet, demure, first generation Asians!!!!!
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#25
December 29, 2011 8:59 AM - dibs
Cripes, look at that aggressive brownie whore, m4l, and he's FOB!!!!
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#26
December 29, 2011 9:09 AM - Donatella
My friend had several adjunct jobs teaching at Berkelely and Davis. She was laid off. I think she still works at San Francisco State which is a different system. I have listened to her explain, complain, rant and rail about the UC mess. It's broke. If I were that kid Park, I'd suck it up and go somewhere else. They rely on adjuncts and have one of the most diverse and highly paid permanent administrative staffs ever.
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#27
December 29, 2011 9:10 AM - CGar
Mmmmmm, bacon. And a Starbucks Frappuccino. Mmmmm.
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#28
December 29, 2011 9:12 AM - Deleted
I'm craving an egg mcmuffin with sausage.
#29
December 29, 2011 9:16 AM - dibs
Sausage biscuit is MUCH better than egg mcmuffin with sausage. That egg "product" is just shit and the biscuit is much better than the muffin
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#30
December 29, 2011 9:21 AM - Deleted
Hmmm. Have never tried just the sausage biscuit. Gotta love those spicy little sausage patties.

Theres an Italian deli that makes probably the best egg sammich I've ever had. They make homemade breakfast sausage and pile 3 eggs on there.
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#31
December 29, 2011 9:23 AM - Deleted
Feeling pretty hungover. Had a dinner last night. Drank too many cocktails
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#32
December 29, 2011 9:23 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
it's well known that being asian and applying for college you get points taken away for admission. asians face reverse affirmative-action in higher education. and LOL that he went to beverly hills school. i would die to go to beverly hills high! regardless i feel not pity for him, poor donna almost didnt get to graduate cuz she decided to pregame before the prom! now THAT's tragic! not some generic nerd not getting into a state school.


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#33
December 29, 2011 9:26 AM - Deleted
He should just go to nyu stern, graduate 250k in debt and become an I banker
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#34
December 29, 2011 9:27 AM - Donatella
Good morning *rob*.
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#35
December 29, 2011 9:29 AM - dibs
I think there's a glut of I bankers. Most of them are actually just "glad hands"
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#36
December 29, 2011 9:30 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
dh, where did you go to school? another question... what happens if you lose your degree? i lost mine. like the actual degree itself. is that bad?


*rob*

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#37
December 29, 2011 9:31 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
is glad hands anything like jazz hands?

*rob*

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#38
December 29, 2011 9:33 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
oh and THREE seperate people got up and moved away from me on the train this morning. it made me feel like a leper. (i was coughing up a lung)

*rob*

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#39
December 29, 2011 9:33 AM - Deleted
I'd rather not say exactly where I went, but it was a school that offered me a lot of money in scholarships and had all the firms that I knew I wanted to work at recruiting on campus. I almost transferred to nyu after sophomore year but couldn't justify the extra expense. In retrospect maybe I should have.
#40
December 29, 2011 9:33 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
GM
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#41
December 29, 2011 9:34 AM - Deleted
I don't think it matters if u lost the paper diploma. Ur school has transcripts of the classes u took
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#42
December 29, 2011 9:35 AM - CGar
"I'd rather not say exactly where I went"

There's nothing wrong with Apex Technical School, DH.
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#43
December 29, 2011 9:35 AM - dibs
I don't have any of my diplomas, nor my birth certificate. I do have my CFA charter.
#44
December 29, 2011 9:36 AM - dibs
Hey, CGAr, STFU about Apex. I met a guy who went there for welding classes!!!!!!! HOT!!!!!
#45
December 29, 2011 9:37 AM - CGar
I knew that would get a rise out of someone. I just figured it would be rf.
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#46
December 29, 2011 9:38 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
i had to get a copy of my birth certificate when i got my non driver's renewed a long time ago (ugh i have to get it renewed again but im being SO lazy about it), and im upset that if i get a new ID they are going to want me to put down my brooklyn address. i like having an ID that shows i live in chelsea :(


*rob*

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#47
December 29, 2011 9:38 AM - Deleted
I need to start looking in to getting my CPA license current. Lots of the rules have changed. Ugh.
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#48
December 29, 2011 9:39 AM - Deleted
What happened to Denton? Miss that guy
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#49
December 29, 2011 9:39 AM - CGar
cobble.

Be a pet and bring another Frappuccino out to me on the fire escape, please
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#50
December 29, 2011 9:45 AM - dibs
Was chatting with Denton yesterday. he's been busy but will be back.
#51
December 29, 2011 9:45 AM - DeadCatBounce
DH, is there a good, popular book on tax management strategies?
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#52
December 29, 2011 9:45 AM - denton
Hi DH.

Have a lot of stuff going on, plus I went to a 12 step program for blog addiction. Don't let them know that I'm back

Did I miss anything?
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#53
December 29, 2011 9:46 AM - denton
And thanks to the folx who sent me Christmas cards.
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#54
December 29, 2011 9:50 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
did you get physical cards!? i just got e-cards this year :-/ im not complaining i guess, but seriously greetings cards on the internet are pretty much akin to visiting france.

*rob*

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#55
December 29, 2011 9:50 AM - dibs
Denton, you've missed some very sound reasoning on my part. i think I've almost convinced many of them to vote republican.


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#56
December 29, 2011 9:55 AM - Donatella
Hi Denton, please email details of the 12 step program.
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#57
December 29, 2011 9:55 AM - jessibaby
Pitchfork's top 50 Albums of 2011 -
http://pitchfork.com/features/staff-lists/8727-the-top-50-albums-of-2011/5/

[cue Dave saying he's never heard of any of them]
#58
December 29, 2011 9:58 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
"Be a pet and bring another Frappuccino out to me on the fire escape, please"

Another one?! ; ) I may be a cat lover, but I'm no pet! : P

Hi denton!! Hope you and the Mrs. are well!
#59
December 29, 2011 9:58 AM - denton
Jesse, I'm proud to say that I've heard of two of the top ten, and even have the Drake album.

rob, both were ecards.


#60
December 29, 2011 9:59 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
"you've missed some very sound reasoning on my part. i think I've almost convinced many of them to vote republican."

denton, As you can plainly see, DIBS is as delusional as ever. You have missed nothing! ; )
#61
December 29, 2011 10:01 AM - denton
we're good cobbles. Mrs. D had a little issue at work. I finally convinced her to fire the bitch, which she did. Now Mrs. D feels much better.

I bought her two pairs of shoes at Gucci's for Christmas. One is way over the top but I couldn't resist.
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#62
December 29, 2011 10:02 AM - denton
dibs, did you guys discuss why Corzine isn't in jail? Dona, what do you think about all the metals stuff what with the guvment confiscating it? Looks like Marc Rich was right, if you buy physical gold, store it in Singapore or Australia.
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#63
December 29, 2011 10:04 AM - dibs
Corzine probably ought to be in jail.

What has the government confiscated???????
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#64
December 29, 2011 10:05 AM - MontroseMorris
"Denton, you've missed some very sound reasoning on my part. i think I've almost convinced many of them to vote republican."

Have you been drinking this early in the day, DIBS? You are already hallucinating.

Miss you, Denton!
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#65
December 29, 2011 10:05 AM - jessibaby
How's the Drake album?

Good to see you, Denton.
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#66
December 29, 2011 10:06 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
Glad to hear you're taking good care of the Mrs., denton! Very glad to see you back, if ever so briefly, you've been missed!
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#67
December 29, 2011 10:08 AM - MontroseMorris
"This post of yours last night was moronic: 'It always amazes me how intolerant liberals are to any ideas other than their own, particularly spiritual or philosophical ideas.'"

I agree with CGar. That is a moronic statement.
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#68
December 29, 2011 10:09 AM - jessibaby
Pitchfork's Song of the Year -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX3k_QDnzHE
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#69
December 29, 2011 10:17 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
" 'It always amazes me how intolerant liberals are to any ideas other than their own, particularly spiritual or philosophical ideas.'""

Exceptionally ironic given various political maneuvers, activities and statements of the 'right' regarding gay marriage, abortion and religion. I could go on...
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#70
December 29, 2011 10:18 AM - DeadCatBounce
MM, thank you for letting me know that you think my statement was moronic. My statement was in response to a very intolerant remark that Pete made.
How come you didn't take Pete to task for his statement self identifying as a liberal and mocking Hindus, Buddhists and Yoga?
If you are against intolerance, then we are on the same side.
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#71
December 29, 2011 10:19 AM - Arkady
Anyone tried ByTox? Supposedly a hangover cure (not that anyone here would need that) - a patch that you put on before you go out & wear for at least 8 hours.
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#72
December 29, 2011 10:19 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
Pete was obviously joking, DCB.
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#73
December 29, 2011 10:23 AM - dibs
"a patch that you put on before you go out & wear for at least 8 hours."

I wear my heart on my sleeve. Isn't that enough???
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#74
December 29, 2011 10:24 AM - dibs
"Exceptionally ironic given various political maneuvers, activities and statements of the 'right' regarding gay marriage, abortion and religion. I could go on..."

Please do, Cobble....
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#75
December 29, 2011 10:25 AM - DeadCatBounce
So intolerance is OK if couched in a joke?

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#76
December 29, 2011 10:26 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
DCB, Show us 3 or 4 areas where the right is more tolerant than the left. I'm curious to see what you come up with.
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#77
December 29, 2011 10:26 AM - Donatella
I missed you too Denton. The Corzine thing is very close to home and it is an understatement to say that it was a huge shock and disappointment. Never in the history of the futures industry have customer funds been raided for a firm's proprietary positions. It is a crime and now it is a game of "I don't know anything" between Corzine and his lackeys. I have heard theories about the government intervening in the public's ability to own gold but I don't think there is anything to that.

Re troublesome people at work, my brother in law sat me down once and told me that the thing that people will thank you for over and over is to fire the bad employee. I AGONIZED once about a guy who reported to me. In the end someone else fired him but I am glad you have your wife that advice.
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#78
December 29, 2011 10:27 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
DIBS....
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#79
December 29, 2011 10:29 AM - More4Less
GM folks (especially JB - welcome back girl). it's tough to do errands after one settles into couch potato mode. if not for the kid waking me up each morning, I think I can sleep till 11am.

DIBS, I came here legitimately so not fob but foa (a for airplane)
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#80
December 29, 2011 10:29 AM - jessibaby
Buddhists would find this discussion about them very amusing.
#81
December 29, 2011 10:32 AM - More4Less
too bad I don't have a house with a garage else I be rolling in a nice S-Class. buddy offered to sell it to me 60% off
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#82
December 29, 2011 10:32 AM - Arkady
That's what's called enLIGHTenment - lighten up!
#83
December 29, 2011 10:33 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
I love HHDL. Have you ever been in the same room with him? I have, a few times, the energy around and emanating from him is amazing.

BH and I just got a dvd of HH discussing the Four Noble Truths. We're going to watch it this weekend.
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#84
December 29, 2011 10:33 AM - DeadCatBounce
DitmasParker, my statement that Liberals are intolerant is no more or less true based on a comparison with the right. That is simple reasoning.
CarGar made some good statements on the side of religious tolerance. So he and I are in agreement on the issue of tolerance.
#85
December 29, 2011 10:33 AM - dibs
Did you all hear that they are moving the International Date Line at the stroke of midnight on Dec 29 and Samoa will jump from Thursday to Saturday????????????

That must be a bummer for TGIF
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#86
December 29, 2011 10:34 AM - Arkady
M4L - The money you don't spend on gas for the S-class should let you afford to stay in Bklyn!
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#87
December 29, 2011 10:34 AM - dibs
m4l, which one and what price?????
#88
December 29, 2011 10:34 AM - Donatella
My eye doctor is the Dhali Lama's eye doctor. so there!

DCB, it is important to note that although Pete rips down lost puppy flyers and hates street clutter and he gets pissed off when his boiler shuts off when he is upstate......most of what he says is teasing and not serious. It is just part of the crank image he has cultivated. :-)

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#89
December 29, 2011 10:35 AM - dibs
Tibetan monks in saffron robes lived in my house before I moved in. they had a huge photo of HHDL on the mantle.
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#90
December 29, 2011 10:36 AM - jessibaby
Cobble, I've never been in the room with him but that sounds cool. I'd like to see that DVD, assuming I'm in the right mood for it.

The guy I learned Buddhism from said, to him, all life is suffering really translated to "all life is dis-ease" the feeling that things are pretty good, but there's always something just a little off. That's what drew me into the whole thing.
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#91
December 29, 2011 10:38 AM - denton
dibs, from Barrons... this is freaking everyone out and supposedly is the main reason why gold and silver instruments have sunk... the gold bugs are going crazy. JP Morgan has supposedly stolen thousands of ounces of silver and the assets supposedly underlying GLD are suddenly in question.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/gold-rehypotecation-unwind-begins-hsbc-sues-mf-global-over-disputed-ownership-physical-gold



"It's one thing for $1.2 billion to vanish into thin air through a series of complex trades, the well-publicized phenomenon at bankrupt MF Global. It's something else for a bar of silver stashed in a vault to instantly shrink in size by more than 25%.

That, in essence, is what's happening to investors whose bars of silver and gold were held through accounts with MF Global.

The trustee overseeing the liquidation of the failed brokerage has proposed dumping all remaining customer assets—gold, silver, cash, options, futures and commodities—into a single pool that would pay customers only 72% of the value of their holdings. In other words,while traders already may have paid the full price for delivery of specific bars of gold or silver—and hold "warehouse receipts" to prove it—they'll have to forfeit 28% of the value.

That has investors fuming. "Warehouse receipts, like gold bars, are our property, 100%," contends John Roe, a partner in BTR Trading, a Chicago futures-trading firm. He personally lost several hundred thousand dollars in investments via MF Global; his clients lost even more. "We are a unique class, and instead, the trustee is doing a radical redistribution of property," he says."


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#92
December 29, 2011 10:38 AM - dibs
denton, that's a problem specific to MF Global clients. no one is confiscating gold like you said above.
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#93
December 29, 2011 10:39 AM - jessibaby
Number 5 song of the year - it's catchy, by a NJ band called Real Estate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HWcViTXdYc&ob=av3e
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#94
December 29, 2011 10:40 AM - dibs
Besides, gold bugs tend to freak out over anything. it's their nature as gold bugs.

What they are freaking out about is that gartman called the top of the market and was right and they failed to understand that. Remember, there are no fundamentals to gold investing.
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#95
December 29, 2011 10:41 AM - jessibaby
That's cool about the monks in your house, DIBS. The one in Bed Stuy?
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#96
December 29, 2011 10:41 AM - dibs
Yes, jessi.
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#97
December 29, 2011 10:41 AM - More4Less
DIBS, forgot the exact model number but I know buddy paid 120k for it (think it was 1 below the all tricked out version) 2 yrs ago.

Arkady, I wouldn't worry about gas usage on the car. I would simply be cruising around with it once in a while. The SUV would still be my daily car. Oh well, this is moot since I failed to convince wife to move to ridge for that nice 1-family with the garage.
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#98
December 29, 2011 10:42 AM - Donatella
Denton, what is going on re the customers is horrible beyond words. I really mean it. Corzine as far as I am concerned can spend the rest of his live next to Bernie or Jeff Skilling. He is a disgrace. And what you are describing is the whole process of figuring out how to distribute the remaining assets. The biggest issue remains between the FSA the London regulator and the US. Money was wired to London from US and the London regulators don't want to return those funds and have frozen them for distribution there. There is a fight going on now between regulators.
#99
December 29, 2011 10:43 AM - jessibaby
Ugh - leave it to this one partner to sniff out my existence here at the office today and make me do work for him. I'm so pissed right now.
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December 29, 2011 10:43 AM - CGar
I'm a Jewddist, and I knew Pete was joking.

Besides, Pete has never said a serious - or intelligent - thing in all his 80-something years.
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December 29, 2011 10:45 AM - dibs
"Besides, Pete has never said a serious - or intelligent - thing in all his 80-something years."

Part & parcel of his union job.
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December 29, 2011 10:45 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
My ex is a practicing Buddhist. So I was exposed to Buddhism on a daily basis for about 8 years, and still am, as we are best friends now. I wasn't sure what to think when I was going to see/hear HHDL the first time. I was curious, so when the opportunity arose, I went. I've also had the opportunity to hear, study or go on retreats with a number of other Buddhist teachers over the past close to 20 years. Including Thich Nhat Hanh, Pema Chodrun and some Tibetan Buddhist teachers here in the US, as well as Bob Thurman. I wish I were more motivated to practice. I've taken some initiations, but I haven't done the precepts, I can't quite commit somehow.
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December 29, 2011 10:45 AM - More4Less
Pete showed me his license. He aint 80-something. he's only 70 something
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December 29, 2011 10:45 AM - Donatella
*rob* if you want a paper card, give me your address. Turkey.
December 29, 2011 10:46 AM - dibs
I've exposed myself to Buddhists many times.
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December 29, 2011 10:46 AM - DeadCatBounce
Jessi, I read "The Essential Dalai Lama" and also have read "The Lotus Sutra" Gene Reeves translation.
As I said yesterday Mrs DCB is a very dedicated Buddhist, and I also read a lot of her study materials and some of the classic commentaries.
Personally, when it comes to religion the one I belong to has only one member.
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December 29, 2011 10:47 AM - Kensingtonian
M4L, it's prolly an S600 v12. That car gets like 8 miles a gallon. If it's about 3 years old, it prolly costs 50k market value so that's your 60% off right there.
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December 29, 2011 10:48 AM - dibs
If any of you budding budhists would like an antique buddha, I'm liquidating my collection.

Sorry, Cobble, not the phallusses
Edited at December 29, 2011 10:48 AM
December 29, 2011 10:49 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
im ordering this with my amazon gift card, along with a couple of rolls of pink duct tape

101 Female Uses for Pink Duct Tape by Jessica S. Andersen and Jolene Hodson

*rob*

Edited at December 29, 2011 10:49 AM
December 29, 2011 10:49 AM - rf
DCB, Pete posted in response to this from Lechacal:
The only people you'll meet at Buddhist events are retired white liberals.

Pete's response:
I am a retired white liberal --- and I assure you I have never ever been to any buddhist, hindu, shih tsu, yoga, whatever event.

I think you should be mad at Lechacal.
Edited at December 29, 2011 10:49 AM
December 29, 2011 10:50 AM - CGar
Does salt ever go bad? I think I've had the same canister of salt since 4 years before DH was born.
Edited at December 29, 2011 10:50 AM
December 29, 2011 10:51 AM - More4Less
Kens, buddy only has ~14K miles on it. he got it on a whim then didn't find it that practical schlepping his 2 young kids around in it (prefers the mini-van). if I have a garage, I would buy it from him. Those massage seats are a great invention
Edited at December 29, 2011 10:51 AM
December 29, 2011 10:52 AM - Deleted
Jokes from curmudgeons about religion or ethnicity are ok? Yipeee!!!!

Here's one I picked up:

President Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter, now available in black!

(Welcome back, Denton).
Edited at December 29, 2011 10:52 AM
December 29, 2011 10:52 AM - BoerumHillScott
Good morning everyone.
Just waking up after going bar hopping in Baton Rouge last night.

The last place we stopped at looked like it wanted to be in Williamsburg. It has all sorts of pretentious handcrafted drinks, PBR, and a lot of 20something guys with beards.
Edited at December 29, 2011 10:52 AM
December 29, 2011 10:52 AM - dibs
No, CGar, nor does honey.
December 29, 2011 10:53 AM - Donatella

Denton, true what dibs said about the gold. But thanks for the heads up on the Barrons article. They laid off 3,000 people and all the solid commodity companies, big and small, who used commodity futures as part of the whole process of buying, selling and merchandizing have been hurt a lot. For nothing. For this jackass incompetant slob self-involved and ultimately crooked Corzine. Not to put too fine a point on it.
December 29, 2011 10:53 AM - dibs
Ok, who has the popcorn????
Edited at December 29, 2011 10:53 AM
December 29, 2011 10:53 AM - denton
"denton, that's a problem specific to MF Global clients. no one is confiscating gold like you said above."

dibs, the trustee has confiscated the physical gold and silver of MF Global clients for which they have warehouse receipts. It may be specific to them but who's next? This has never happened before and the exchanges aren't doing anything. It's been said that Corzine is free cuz he's a big Democrat. This is enuf to make me vote Republican.
Edited at December 29, 2011 10:53 AM
December 29, 2011 10:54 AM - denton
benson, I think you got banned for that last time. Altho personally, I think it's funny.
Edited at December 29, 2011 10:54 AM
December 29, 2011 10:56 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
DCB, Then by your reasoning you should not have included the word "left" in the statement. Sometimes I think you're just a troll. You look to pick people and things apart where there is little or nothing to pick at — like the dumb post addressed to me the other day, or tis post of Pete's, for your entertainment. It's really unpleasant.
December 29, 2011 10:57 AM - dibs
denton, the trustee has the legal right to ALL assets at MF Global.
Edited at December 29, 2011 10:57 AM
December 29, 2011 10:58 AM - DeadCatBounce
It is going to be very interesting how the MF Global situation regarding customer assets shakes out. In the end, I think the exchanges have little choice but to make the customers whole.
December 29, 2011 10:59 AM - MontroseMorris
DCB, in addition to what everyone else has said, Pete, whether he was kidding or not, is one person of a liberal mindset, expressing his opinion. Your response was to blast all liberals as intolerant. That kind of blanket statement is patently untrue, and as a proud, card carrying liberal, I took offense.

I don't agree with Pete on issues of religion, kidding or not, but so what? No group is a monolith, we all believe different things, are drawn to different issues, have different priorities, yet still can rally around larger common issues. If you don't want to be painted with the same wide brush, for the differences in your political or social ideologies, then don't do the same.
Edited at December 29, 2011 10:59 AM
December 29, 2011 10:59 AM - dibs
benson was never banned. That joke was deleted. There's nothing really that wrong with it but I know why it upsets people.

If I were straight I'd be sorta a "white version" of Herman Cain.
December 29, 2011 11:00 AM - DeadCatBounce
Ditmas Parker, please stop attacking me.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:00 AM
December 29, 2011 11:00 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
No, salt does not go bad. It's sometimes used as a preservative.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:00 AM
December 29, 2011 11:00 AM - More4Less
I don't want popcorn. I want brownies - the trays of brownies from CGar in the freezer are long gone.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:00 AM
December 29, 2011 11:00 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
I'm just challenging your statements, DCB. And expressing my opinion.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:00 AM
December 29, 2011 11:03 AM - dibs
"I'm just challenging your statements, DCB. And expressing my opinion."
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:03 AM
December 29, 2011 11:04 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
Exactly, DIBS. (I'm stealing this one!)
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:04 AM
December 29, 2011 11:04 AM - dibs
And,
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:04 AM
December 29, 2011 11:05 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
DIBS...
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:05 AM
December 29, 2011 11:06 AM - Deleted
sorry dcb, i have no knowledge of anything tax related.

good to see ya denton!!


Edited at December 29, 2011 11:06 AM
December 29, 2011 11:07 AM - Kensingtonian
Would the republicans accept me into their club if I am heading into work right now for a few hours even though I am technically off this week.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:07 AM
December 29, 2011 11:07 AM - More4Less
anyone heard of sapele engineered wood flooring? contractor suggested that to me. it looks nice but I have no clue what it is or if it's good
December 29, 2011 11:07 AM - MontroseMorris
And Benson, that joke was not funny the first time, the 14th time, or this time.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:07 AM
December 29, 2011 11:08 AM - Deleted
Off to do some shopping with wifey (spending gift money).

Have a good day all, and once again, great to see Denton back.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:08 AM
December 29, 2011 11:08 AM - Donatella
Denton, the CME is the main exchange MF Global cleared on and they do not have the power to do anything more than what they have done (nor should they since they are not regulators and they are now for profit corporations). Under the self-regulatory framework, the CME was their auditor and was on them like a cheap suit, but ultimately fraudulent information led the CME to alert regulators. One issue is that the exchanges have transitioned from membership, non-profit organizations to publically traded corporations. Some are saying that the auditing structure in place doesn't work anymore.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:08 AM
December 29, 2011 11:08 AM - dibs
"Would the republicans accept me into their club if I am heading into work right now for a few hours even though I am technically off this week."

It's a start Kens. But it's not just about work ethic. You have to actually want to get richer than the rest, among other noble achievements
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:08 AM
December 29, 2011 11:09 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
He's just more trolling for entertainment purposes, MM. Despicable, but there it is.
December 29, 2011 11:09 AM - dibs
Have not heard of sapele. Why engineered???? Real wood flooring comes pretty cheap these days.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:09 AM
December 29, 2011 11:09 AM - MontroseMorris
"Would the republicans accept me into their club if I am heading into work right now for a few hours even though I am technically off this week."

Why in the world would you even WANT to be in their club?
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:09 AM
December 29, 2011 11:10 AM - Legion
"This is enuf to make me vote Republican."

muhahahah,
I knew you'd finally come around Denton.
Listen,
in the end, one ultimately must come down on the side of accountability.
Accountability as one of the pillars of conservative values.

On the silver and gold issue,
I'm holding on to all my assets. Don't believe in the American dollar as long as a policy of devaluation remains in effect in D.C.
Especially as we go into another round of Debt Ceiling talks.
Funny how fast we blow through a Trillion dollars with this administration. 15.1 Trillion doesn't seem to be enough,
so here we go to 16 plus Trillion.
...and here we go again under the Credit Ratings Agency knife.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:10 AM
December 29, 2011 11:11 AM - dibs
"Why in the world would you even WANT to be in their club?"

To better himself and enjoy the finer things in life instead of living off the teat of the government.

Carry on.
December 29, 2011 11:13 AM - Legion
...yeah,
the teat of government has become sore from misuse!
And that ain't good.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:13 AM
December 29, 2011 11:13 AM - Legion
the government needs those nipple band-aids that lechacal and BHS use when running.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:13 AM
December 29, 2011 11:14 AM - dibs
"Funny how fast we blow through a Trillion dollars with this administration. 15.1 Trillion doesn't seem to be enough,
so here we go to 16 plus Trillion."

The size of the government has got to be cut back. There's no other answer.
December 29, 2011 11:15 AM - Legion
Exactly.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:15 AM
December 29, 2011 11:16 AM - DeadCatBounce
"He's just more trolling for entertainment purposes, MM. Despicable, but there it is."
DitmasParker, I have asked you to stop with the personal attacks once already.


December 29, 2011 11:19 AM - Donatella
Well, I am getting my first physical therapy session today for my hand/wrist. This experience has given me a new respect and appreciation for hands. I was so pissed off when I realized that this was such a mess when it came out of the cast. I thought it was a simple fracture but it was a kind of crush injury (comminted). It hurts, god damnit.

So on that note Peace and Love and I can't get into any fights today. [looking for that 12 step program]

Hi Legion. And welcome back Denton.

Off to Manhattan for this hand.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:19 AM
December 29, 2011 11:20 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
DCB, I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about benson and that dumb joke he posted again. So stop looking for trouble where there is none.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:20 AM
December 29, 2011 11:20 AM - Legion
Corzine should be put in one of those old timey stockades down there next to the Wall Street Bull.
Then they should invite the OWS people to line up and take turns giving him a purple nurple.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:20 AM
December 29, 2011 11:20 AM - rf
I don't think Cobble was talking about you, DCB. And why aren't you angry at Lechacal? He's the one who said that the only people you see at Buddhist events are retired white liberals.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:20 AM
December 29, 2011 11:21 AM - Legion
Hi Donatella,
Hope the therapy helps alleviate the pain and you get better soon.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:21 AM
December 29, 2011 11:21 AM - dibs
"And why aren't you angry at Lechacal? He's the one who said that the only people you see at Buddhist events are retired white liberals."

Maybe because it's true.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:21 AM
December 29, 2011 11:22 AM - Donatella

PS D-Cat, I want to ask you about that program you are learning by the way. If you don't mind. I would also like to compare notes with you on the math stuff. donatellaoffortgreene@hotmail.com. Thanks. [really leaving now]
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:22 AM
December 29, 2011 11:22 AM - rf
Besides, DCB, what anyone says here is up for comment by everyone else.
December 29, 2011 11:23 AM - Deleted
oh great - the RMC is out in full force. time to smoke a doob and watch super troopers i guess.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:23 AM
December 29, 2011 11:23 AM - More4Less
DIBS, part of my renov cost reduction initiative included bypassing ripping out existing flooring and installation of subfloors hence this engineered wood floors are to float over the existing flooring. the sapele looks very nice / high end. just have no idea about it's durability, etc. would've gone with cherry if sticking with real wood strips. the other tradeoff with engineered floors is I can't have 2" strips - they only come in 4.5" or bigger strips
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:23 AM
December 29, 2011 11:23 AM - denton
Ron Paul has the right idea of how to cut back government.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:23 AM
December 29, 2011 11:24 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
"Maybe because it's true."

But it's not true, it's a gross generalization. Having attended many teachings and events, I can say there are plenty of older white liberals but the events are by no means limited to them.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:23 AM
December 29, 2011 11:25 AM - dibs
Cobble, again....
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:25 AM
December 29, 2011 11:25 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
I hate to admit it, seriously, but I agree with Ron Paul on some issues.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:25 AM
December 29, 2011 11:25 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
DIBS...don't make me post it again!!! : P
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:25 AM
December 29, 2011 11:26 AM - Legion
...better off watching Team America DH,
it's funnier and more cogent to today's headlines. RMC, Kim Sung Il and all that...
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:26 AM
December 29, 2011 11:27 AM - More4Less
Donatella, be patient with the rehab. wrist are very complicated and it takes a while to rehab (ie there are a ton of tiny bones in there that I wasn't aware off until I jammed the wrist pretty bad a few years ago in a basketball pickup game).
December 29, 2011 11:27 AM - rf
What issues, Cobble?
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:27 AM
December 29, 2011 11:28 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
DIBS...
December 29, 2011 11:29 AM - Legion
Ron Paul seems to be espousing a type of political Mobius strip,
where ideological views on the far right meld into those of the far left.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:29 AM
December 29, 2011 11:29 AM - Arkady
I wonder what Ron Paul would do if his daughter were left pregnant after having been raped & then developed an ectopic.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:29 AM
December 29, 2011 11:31 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
SOME, bits and pieces, of his energy independence, budget cutting and isolationist ideas. But just SOME, not all, no, not at all.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:31 AM
December 29, 2011 11:31 AM - Legion
Depends on whether you consider Ron Paul Far Right or Far Left.
Stalin (far Left) refused to trade Gen. Paulus for his own son.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:31 AM
December 29, 2011 11:32 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
"I wonder what Ron Paul would do if his daughter were left pregnant after having been raped & then developed an ectopic."

I do not agree with his position on abortion at all. I fully 100% believe in a woman's right to choose.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:32 AM
December 29, 2011 11:33 AM - Arkady
And Westmoreland - far Right - said he'd've sprayed napalm & agent orange on his son.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:33 AM
December 29, 2011 11:33 AM - Legion
...Stalin's son died in Nazi hands.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:33 AM
December 29, 2011 11:34 AM - Legion
...there's that Mobius strip again Arkady.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:34 AM
December 29, 2011 11:35 AM - Donatella
M4L, you got that right. Patience is what I need and need to cultivate for this healing. It was jammed and so the bones in one part of the wrist were compressed and one part of my wrist is now more prominent. After experiencing a pain explosion, panicking (crying) and then getting pissed, the doctor talked to me like I was a 10 year old (I didn't mind) to explain what this would involve. It will be a while before it is better.

Thanks, Legion. BTW, someday I am going to learn about CERN particles. I think I need to learn options and derivatives math first though.

[Closing up computer now. Getting keys. Walking out the door)

Bye losers. Have a great day.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:35 AM
December 29, 2011 11:36 AM - DeadCatBounce
rf, in my experience Lechacal is misinformed on Buddhism. It is not particularly a religion of liberals, white or otherwise. For some reason, that does seem to be a popular misconception.

Edited at December 29, 2011 11:36 AM
December 29, 2011 11:37 AM - Arkady
I think he's more of a Klein bottle, Legion.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:37 AM
December 29, 2011 11:38 AM - Deleted
haha legion - great idea! team america is freakin awesome. i have the dvd somewhere.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:38 AM
December 29, 2011 11:39 AM - Deleted
ron paul is for limited gov't as long as you're a white dude
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:39 AM
December 29, 2011 11:40 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
Can we talk about kittens now?
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:40 AM
December 29, 2011 11:41 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
"ron paul is for limited gov't as long as you're a white dude"

Isn't that true of most republicans?
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:41 AM
December 29, 2011 11:41 AM - Arkady
It's certainly not limited gov't when some faceless bureaucrat can tell you what to do w/ your body. And that includes suicide. The only reason it was against the law is that your body belonged to the state & you'd be gypping that entity of an asset.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:41 AM
December 29, 2011 11:41 AM - Legion
haha,
Arkady, you sure know how to shape an argument!
December 29, 2011 11:42 AM - denton
arkady, that's why Ron Paul is not a true libertarian.
December 29, 2011 11:44 AM - Arkady
I'll take a sugar-coated torus, Legion.
December 29, 2011 11:45 AM - dibs
REPOTD in today's "Insider" on brownstoner

http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2011/12/the-insider-kitchen-extension-in-brooklyn-heights/#more-78401
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:45 AM
December 29, 2011 11:45 AM - Legion
"ron paul is for limited gov't as long as you're a white dude"

"Isn't that true of most republicans?"

Colonel Allen West
says: "NOT!"
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:45 AM
December 29, 2011 11:46 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
"It's certainly not limited gov't when some faceless bureaucrat can tell you what to do w/ your body."

Ah, the irony of the GOP POV.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:46 AM
December 29, 2011 11:46 AM - dibs
Anyone need a cat???
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:46 AM
December 29, 2011 11:47 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
Pay attention, legion, I said "most".
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:47 AM
December 29, 2011 11:48 AM - Arkady
dibs - That addition is similar to what my next door neighbor did about 25 years ago.
December 29, 2011 11:51 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
"REPOTD in today's "Insider" on brownstoner

http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2011/12/the-insider-kitchen-extension-in..."

Really beautiful, but when I see that much glass, I worry about how cold it feels or if it's well-heated. Friends of mine have a glass wall in the back and it's uncomfortable to sit near it in the winter, despite a great heating system.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:51 AM
December 29, 2011 11:52 AM - Legion
Delivery for Arkady:
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:52 AM
December 29, 2011 11:58 AM - Legion
Ironic would also define the idea that entitlements and profligacy of today
are traded for our children's indentured servitude tomorrow.
December 29, 2011 12:08 PM - Legion
.
Edited at December 29, 2011 12:08 PM
December 29, 2011 12:12 PM - petebklyn
geez, I'm so flattered that I could be a topic of conversation. golly. I don't know what to say.
Edited at December 29, 2011 12:12 PM
December 29, 2011 12:12 PM - petebklyn
ron paul is not far left or far right. but is far out.
December 29, 2011 12:14 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Are you feeling the love, Pete? ; )

I'm coming over your way today, maybe I'll run into you on Smith Street! (Don't try to hide from me! She said, wagging her cane!)
Edited at December 29, 2011 12:14 PM
December 29, 2011 12:16 PM - petebklyn
bundle up.....cold out there today...actually does feel like winter. I will head up to Atlantic avenue Y this afternoon sometime
Edited at December 29, 2011 12:16 PM
December 29, 2011 12:18 PM - petebklyn
"children's indentured servitude tomorrow." -- what else are they good for anyway?
Edited at December 29, 2011 12:18 PM
December 29, 2011 12:21 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
"bundle up.....cold out there today"

Will do, thanks, me no likey being cold. : (
Edited at December 29, 2011 12:21 PM
December 29, 2011 12:26 PM - Arkady
CHiller - Hang a few posters on light poles & you'll see him.
Thanks for the sweet math formulae, Legion. Bet it used a lot of sugar cubes to make them.
Edited at December 29, 2011 12:26 PM
December 29, 2011 12:35 PM - Legion
I had to reach out to all my spheres of influence in order to find a donut delivery on such short notice!
Edited at December 29, 2011 12:35 PM
December 29, 2011 12:40 PM - DeadCatBounce
From Bloomberg:
"Purchases of new single-family properties (NHSLTOT) advanced 1.6 percent to a 315000 annual pace, a seven-month high"
Optimistic news indeed for 2012.
Edited at December 29, 2011 12:40 PM
December 29, 2011 12:53 PM - dibs
The ongoing strengthening of the US economy is why the US markets are just about the best performing ones around the world in 2011.
Edited at December 29, 2011 12:53 PM
December 29, 2011 1:23 PM - dibs
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Edited at December 29, 2011 1:23 PM
December 29, 2011 1:31 PM - jessibaby
by how much do you think the us govt overstates its income?
Edited at December 29, 2011 1:31 PM
December 29, 2011 1:33 PM - dibs
I have no idea. Nor do I care. If SS payments are considered "income" then that right there is a big overstatement.
Edited at December 29, 2011 1:33 PM
December 29, 2011 1:37 PM - jessibaby
I guess I was asking a more general question of how much do we think the federal govt cooks the books? Like is there an independent audit performed? How bad do you think the deficit really is? I assume it's worse than stated, but then again, I guess the real deficit is whatever the world will be believe it to be....
Edited at December 29, 2011 1:37 PM
December 29, 2011 1:39 PM - dibs
I don't think there is any book cooking. There are various agencies that sort of act like watchdogs like OMB and others.

Besides, this is the sort of discussion you have when things are getting worse and I don't think that's the case any more as judged by economic numbers.
Edited at December 29, 2011 1:39 PM
December 29, 2011 1:40 PM - Arkady
Glad you got that all squared away, Legion.
Wow! I hadn't seen finches at all this year. I've just hung my new feeder & by the time I got upstairs to my desk there were 6 of them on it!
Edited at December 29, 2011 1:40 PM
December 29, 2011 1:46 PM - jessibaby
I guess, Dave, but it just seemed too good to be true in the Clinton Era. Was there really *that* much more revenue coming in?
Edited at December 29, 2011 1:46 PM
December 29, 2011 1:50 PM - dibs
When economic growth is higher, yes, definitely. In fact states are already reporting year-on-year increases in revenues. NEV is a STRONG buy (with 6.9% federally tax free yield!!!!!!!!!!!!)
December 29, 2011 1:51 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Besides, this is the sort of discussion you have when things are getting worse and I don't think that's the case any more as judged by economic numbers.

what are you talking about things NOT getting worse? are you on crack?!

*rob*

December 29, 2011 1:59 PM - jessibaby
Is the hole we're in now much deeper than pre-Clinton?

Rob - what don't you like about Buddhism?
Edited at December 29, 2011 1:59 PM
December 29, 2011 2:00 PM - DeadCatBounce
Rob, at this stage in an economic recovery, people are still reeling from the downturn, and it takes a while for them to feel better.
History shows that as being a pretty typical reaction.
There are never any guarantees, but there are definitely signs of improvement. If things continue, by this time next year, the effects of a better economy will be widely recognized.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:00 PM
December 29, 2011 2:01 PM - dibs
rob, which economic indicators are you referencing when you say it is getting worse????

[apologies to all the rest for asking]
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:01 PM
December 29, 2011 2:01 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
ugh am i stupid? i just ordered three seperate things on amazon today, totally different kinds of things. im reviewing my email receipt and there is a part where it says "group my items into as few shipments as possible." does this mean everything comes from amazon directly? i thought it was all individual sellers and stuff. did i waste all that money on shipping for nothing? shipping was like 1/2 of my 50 dollar gift card!


*rob*

December 29, 2011 2:02 PM - jessibaby
DCB - doesn't that seem far-fetched? the fundamentals of this country are still totally in the crapper - I don't care what statistics someone trots out - that's my point, that after a year or so, history says we're done recessing, so then everyone just goes with the phony flow.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:02 PM
December 29, 2011 2:02 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
wait no, shipping wound up being 13 of my 50. with like a dollar left

*rob*

Edited at December 29, 2011 2:02 PM
December 29, 2011 2:07 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Rob - what don't you like about Buddhism?

it's too snooty and pretentious. it's one of those latch-on later in life when one has nothing else to really worry about type of religions.


quotrob, which economic indicators are you referencing when you say it is getting worse????

the cost of EVERYTHING and moonface invasion.

*rob*


December 29, 2011 2:09 PM - petebklyn
"The ongoing strengthening of the US economy is why the US markets are just about the best performing ones around the world in 2011." -- thank you President Obama.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:09 PM
December 29, 2011 2:10 PM - jessibaby
"it's too snooty and pretentious. it's one of those latch-on later in life when one has nothing else to really worry about type of religions."

I got into as an undergrad at a state school who didn't really fit in with the fraternities and the football games - made me realize I wasn't alone.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:10 PM
December 29, 2011 2:11 PM - petebklyn
"NEV is a STRONG buy (with 6.9% federally tax free yield!!!!!!!!!!!!)" -- practically all you 1%ers income is tax free anyway.
December 29, 2011 2:11 PM - Deleted
Lol Pete.

4 more years!!
December 29, 2011 2:12 PM - petebklyn
"ugh am i stupid?" ?
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:12 PM
December 29, 2011 2:12 PM - DeadCatBounce
JB - didn't really understand your question. Is it that gov't statistics are juiced to look better than they really are?
I do agree with that to some extent since the way some of these statistics are calculated, such as inflation, have been re-configured in recent years.
What I look for is the way the numbers are changing over time and I assume that they are calculated on a consistent basis. And I also look at the revisions, which have been trending up.
The numbers aren't great, but they are getting better.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:12 PM
December 29, 2011 2:14 PM - petebklyn
"undergrad at a state school who didn't really fit in with the fraternities and the football games " -- I went to state school but don't think we had football team and maybe there were a fraternity or 2 but generally all losers.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:14 PM
December 29, 2011 2:14 PM - jessibaby
"JB - didn't really understand your question. Is it that gov't statistics are juiced to look better than they really are?"

Yeah, that's what I was wondering about.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:14 PM
December 29, 2011 2:14 PM - Arkady
I went through my Buddhist period in 10th grade - 15 years old.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:14 PM
December 29, 2011 2:16 PM - dibs
"maybe there were a fraternity or 2 but generally all losers."

Probably all got jobs as sales traders at brokerage houses and are all 1% now.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:16 PM
December 29, 2011 2:16 PM - jessibaby
"I went to state school but don't think we had football team and maybe there were a fraternity or 2 but generally all losers."

Greek life was big at my school. Not only for the students but also the coaches.
December 29, 2011 2:17 PM - jessibaby
"I went through my Buddhist period in 10th grade - 15 years old."

Did it end when you first set foot in Sparks?
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:17 PM
December 29, 2011 2:18 PM - petebklyn
yeah, that's been all over the newspapers of late.....coaches and 'greek life'.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:18 PM
December 29, 2011 2:18 PM - Deleted
"I went through my Buddhist period in 10th grade - 15 years old."

Do Buddhist women have a different type of period?
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:18 PM
December 29, 2011 2:19 PM - jessibaby
I volunteered for Sandusky's charity. Never met him.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:19 PM
December 29, 2011 2:19 PM - dibs
I was wondering who was going to pick up on that!!!!!
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:19 PM
December 29, 2011 2:21 PM - Arkady
I don't remember why it ended - I think it was general musing on not wanting to just be gruntled: I wrote an essay about how the life of equanimity wasn't for me & that I'd rather have downs w/ concomitant ups than just seek detachment.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:21 PM
December 29, 2011 2:21 PM - DeadCatBounce
Jessi - I don't think the gov't has to cook the books.
Just count on people to not do their homework.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:21 PM
December 29, 2011 2:23 PM - Arkady
Yeah, w/ Zen tranquility you're never on the rag.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:23 PM
December 29, 2011 2:23 PM - petebklyn
I went to party last night with lot of 50-something native brooklynites....just not from benson's part----the part of flatbush
closer to Bedford avenue, and avenue T,U. Mostly Irish - with a token italian and jewish guy.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:23 PM
December 29, 2011 2:23 PM - dibs
"I'd rather have downs w/ concomitant ups than just seek detachment."

Interesting. Probably true when you think about it.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:23 PM
December 29, 2011 2:24 PM - Donatella

At the suggestion of somebody who thought I should learn how to meditate (aka calm down) I went to a Zen buddhist temple in the Village and meditated for almost an hour. You can't move. I was never so freaking ITCHY in my whole life. My whole body was screaming "ITCH ME". Then my eyes and nose started to water. So much for calming down.

*rob* I have learned how to correctly spell the word definitely on this blog, which I always spelled wrong.

Please. You HAVE to learn how to spell the word separate. (You always write seperate). Ok. Now I have to leave again.

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December 29, 2011 2:24 PM - jessibaby
"I wrote an essay about how the life of equanimity wasn't for me & that I'd rather have downs w/ concomitant ups than just seek detachment."

I have an above average memory and forgetting the past was a real challenge and downer.

But detachment as metaphor is pretty good stuff.
December 29, 2011 2:29 PM - jessibaby
"Jessi - I don't think the gov't has to cook the books.
Just count on people to not do their homework."

I wonder if China will ever ask to do an audit.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:29 PM
December 29, 2011 2:29 PM - Arkady
Also read 'The Empty Mirror' by Janwillem van de Wetering & 'The Lotus & The Robot' by Koestler - terrific musings on Buddhism: much better than, for instance, D.T. Suzuki.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:29 PM
December 29, 2011 2:30 PM - lechacal
I just fed my entire family lunch in Effingham, Illinois for the price of a martini in Manhattan. No moonfaces. Other patrons were not petite.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:30 PM
December 29, 2011 2:31 PM - dibs
What the Eff are you doing there??????
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December 29, 2011 2:31 PM - DeadCatBounce
Jessi, there is a pretty good web site on the topic of gov't fudging the numbers:
http://www.shadowstats.com/
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:31 PM
December 29, 2011 2:31 PM - lechacal
Kansas and Missouri were nice this morning.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:31 PM
December 29, 2011 2:32 PM - Arkady
It's what he had for lunch & its effect on the family, dibs: effing ham, ill.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:32 PM
December 29, 2011 2:33 PM - lechacal
It sounds like a Christmas complain. "oh no, the Effingham is dry again this year."
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:33 PM
December 29, 2011 2:34 PM - Arkady
Enough of this frivolity. Serious topic. What am I going to do about the doves? They can't use the new feeder the primary design of which is to discourage squirrels but it means I have nothing dove-friendly now.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:34 PM
December 29, 2011 2:35 PM - dibs
Freight rail numberrs were VERY strong over the past 4 weeks, continuing to be strong way after the time around Thanksgiving for the Christmas rush.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:35 PM
December 29, 2011 2:35 PM - jessibaby
Interesting, thanks DCB.

I think my old Buddhism Prof was into Suzuki. He was of course more into himself, like any humble disciple.
December 29, 2011 2:35 PM - petebklyn
jessi, if ever there were a cooker of books -- it is china.
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December 29, 2011 2:35 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Please. You HAVE to learn how to spell the word separate. (You always write seperate). Ok. Now I have to leave again.

that word fucks me up EVERY TIME, as well as calander calendar! GAH

*rob*

December 29, 2011 2:38 PM - dibs
Arkady, are the doves crying????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7Diudbhut4
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:38 PM
December 29, 2011 2:39 PM - dibs
Pete, wok makes you believe that?????
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:39 PM
December 29, 2011 2:40 PM - petebklyn
arkady, my friends have stayed in maine at van de wettering's house last 2 summers. Friends cousin is managing the estate - Janwillem and his wife both died few years back.

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December 29, 2011 2:40 PM - CGar
Just made 194 potato latkes . . . 6 short of my goal. I should know by now that potatoes aren't trustworthy, no matter how often they look you in the eye.
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December 29, 2011 2:41 PM - jessibaby
oh, p.s. - Rob, I saw that Donna Martin Graduates thing above - the episode was amazing.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:41 PM
December 29, 2011 2:42 PM - dibs
"potatoes aren't trustworthy, no matter how often they look you in the eye."

Most of my rice friends believe that too.
December 29, 2011 2:43 PM - lechacal
Thu, 12/29/2011 - 2:35pm — petebklynNew
jessi, if ever there were a cooker of books -- it is china.

reply

And why not? They did a pretty good job with my lunch in Effingham.
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December 29, 2011 2:49 PM - jessibaby
"Just made 194 potato latkes"

when will you serve them? soon, i hope. or do you have a way to beat the soggies?
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:49 PM
December 29, 2011 2:51 PM - dibs
bachmann's finished. Her campaign person who she said was offered a payoff by Ron paul just denied it.

And i was so looking forward to our new "first lady"
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:51 PM
December 29, 2011 2:53 PM - jessibaby
wow - thanks urban dictionary.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:53 PM
December 29, 2011 2:55 PM - jessibaby
I can't wait for Cobble to google soggy muffin.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:55 PM
December 29, 2011 2:55 PM - dibs
LOL, bukkake is far more fun.
December 29, 2011 2:55 PM - lechacal
"beat the soggies?"

Is that some kind of version of soggy muffin they play in Philly?
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:55 PM
December 29, 2011 2:56 PM - dibs
"I can't wait for Cobble to google soggy muffin."

December 29, 2011 2:58 PM - rf
teaching a cat to walk on a leash (watch video):
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/29/garden/training-a-cat-to-walk-on-a-leash.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=general
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:58 PM
December 29, 2011 2:59 PM - lechacal
A town really has a chance to define itself to the highway drivers when it decorates the water tower. One must choose the message carefully. Something about high school sports is usually a safe bet.
Edited at December 29, 2011 2:59 PM
December 29, 2011 3:00 PM - CGar
Reheat in a 350 oven and they're perfect. They can even be frozen and reheated. As long as you don't ever nuke 'em, you beat the soggies.

[Googling soggy muffin now]
Edited at December 29, 2011 3:00 PM
December 29, 2011 3:01 PM - CGar
Lmao to that.
Edited at December 29, 2011 3:01 PM
December 29, 2011 3:04 PM - lechacal
"[Googling soggy muffin now]"

Oh whatever Cgar, as if you didn't know.
Edited at December 29, 2011 3:04 PM
December 29, 2011 3:06 PM - dibs
I wonder what the origin of that game is. Urban dictionary doesn't tell us but, given two of the less than PC definitions, is it a black thang?????
Edited at December 29, 2011 3:06 PM
December 29, 2011 3:07 PM - jessibaby
Great tip, Cgar.
Edited at December 29, 2011 3:07 PM
December 29, 2011 3:07 PM - lechacal
No dibs, not that I'm aware.
Edited at December 29, 2011 3:07 PM
December 29, 2011 3:10 PM - jessibaby
Can straight guys successful ejaculate in such a setting?
December 29, 2011 3:12 PM - dibs
Definition of a great competitor: A guy that can come in first, third and fifth in a circle jerk.
Edited at December 29, 2011 3:12 PM
December 29, 2011 3:15 PM - lechacal
I'm pretty sure it's an urban legend JB. I've never actually known anyone to play soggy muffin.
December 29, 2011 3:16 PM - CGar
Np, jb.
Edited at December 29, 2011 3:16 PM
December 29, 2011 3:16 PM - dibs
Even I have never known anyone to play soggy muffin.
Edited at December 29, 2011 3:16 PM
December 29, 2011 3:17 PM - dibs
Rusty trombone is another matter though.
Edited at December 29, 2011 3:17 PM
December 29, 2011 3:20 PM - jessibaby
Yeah, I guess muffins aren't really porous. Soggy sponge - now that's a game.
Edited at December 29, 2011 3:20 PM
December 29, 2011 3:21 PM - lechacal
.
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December 29, 2011 3:22 PM - lechacal
.
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December 29, 2011 3:28 PM - dibs
Who's driving while you're texting????
December 29, 2011 3:28 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
i didnt look it up, but based on the context of this thread, it seems that soggy muffin is just another term for the biscuit game?

*rob*

Edited at December 29, 2011 3:28 PM
December 29, 2011 3:29 PM - lechacal
Some woman. I drove the first 300 miles today, but then we stopped for lunch in Effingham and I knew I would go into Chinese food coma so I asked her to drive for a while. Now we're in Indiana.
Edited at December 29, 2011 3:29 PM
December 29, 2011 3:30 PM - jessibaby
Road head - yay or nay?

What's biscuit game?
Edited at December 29, 2011 3:30 PM
December 29, 2011 3:38 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
biscuit is where everyone jerks off on a biscuit and the last one to cum has to eat it. i didnt look up soggy muffin but i deduced that is what is it is from your conversation.

*rob*

December 29, 2011 3:40 PM - lechacal
"Road head - yay or nay?"

Kids in back of car, so nay.

On a related topic, it's totally possible to have full on road sex on the highway.
December 29, 2011 3:42 PM - jessibaby
Yeah, same game; different carb.
Edited at December 29, 2011 3:42 PM
December 29, 2011 3:44 PM - jessibaby
Cruise control?
Edited at December 29, 2011 3:44 PM
December 29, 2011 3:45 PM - Arkady
pete - That's really neat about your friends. I loved Empty Mirror. Haven't read the 2 follow-ups to it though. Also enjoyed several of his mysteries. Hadn't realized he had died.
Edited at December 29, 2011 3:45 PM
December 29, 2011 3:51 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Good afternoon all. My grandma's in the hospital in North Dakota and it doesn't look like she'll make it (she's 97). My mother and I are heading up to Bismarck this afternoon. My always-incorrigible grandmother disobeyed the instructions my mom gave her: "Mother, do not die in winter!"
Edited at December 29, 2011 3:51 PM
December 29, 2011 3:52 PM - Donatella
ok *rob* you remember how to spell separate by telling yourself that there is "a rat" in separate. I am in warrior mode. There are mice in this house and I started out by being nice, but no more Ms. Nice guy. These things are going to DIE. I have everything including MORE #3 steel wool and poison for the basement.
December 29, 2011 3:53 PM - lechacal
"Cruise control?"

Not necessarily. Guy drives with seat pulled back a ways. Girl sits sideways on his lap while he drives. Easy pleasy. I once had sex for a while on the Merritt Parkway, a windy road, and that car didn't have cruise control.
Edited at December 29, 2011 3:53 PM
December 29, 2011 3:53 PM - Donatella
Oh, six, I am so sorry. I am glad you are going to see her though and spend this time with her.
December 29, 2011 3:56 PM - sixyearsandcounting
While I'm away you should all discuss this article about gender, academia, jobs, the economy, etc. -

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/29/business/young-women-go-back-to-school-instead-of-work.html?_r=1&src=recg

"Laura Baker left her job at a Starbucks this fall to pursue a master's degree in strategic communications at the University of Denver."

I look forward to the commentary.
December 29, 2011 3:56 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Thanks Dona!
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December 29, 2011 3:59 PM - lechacal
Sorry to hear that six. Condolences to you and your family.
Edited at December 29, 2011 3:59 PM
December 29, 2011 4:11 PM - CGar
And I just made 8 quarts of applesauce to go with the latkes. I'm done for the day.
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:11 PM
December 29, 2011 4:13 PM - dibs
"Including the loans that financed her undergraduate education at Wartburg College in Waverly, Iowa, she will complete her master’s program next year owing about $200,000 in debt. "

In strategic communications for a not-for-profit?????? Come on, get real.


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December 29, 2011 4:14 PM - dibs
Wasn't someone asking about soggy latkes earlier????
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:14 PM
December 29, 2011 4:14 PM - Legion
Sorry to hear about your grandma's health problems sixyears.
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:14 PM
December 29, 2011 4:16 PM - CGar
Very sorry to hear about your grandmother, 6.
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:16 PM
December 29, 2011 4:19 PM - petebklyn
"And i was so looking forward to our new "first lady"" --- best chuckle I had all week
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:19 PM
December 29, 2011 4:19 PM - lechacal
Just wait for her to graduate DIBS - I'm sure she will blame the people who lent her the money!! waaaah waaaah it was there so I felt compelled to borrow it waaah waaaah and now I owe 200k in student loans and I'm not employable because I studied retarded liberal arts subjects waaay waaay it's all the Republicans' fault we need more legislation!!!!!

[grabbing box of 9 mm shells and can opener, heading for hills]
December 29, 2011 4:20 PM - dibs
My thoughts, exactly, lech.
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December 29, 2011 4:21 PM - dibs
The story begins to address the issue of a flood of people on the market in a few years but doesn't really follow through on the consequences. but then it was the NY Times, so why would they????
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:21 PM
December 29, 2011 4:22 PM - dibs
Sorry about your grandmother, six. yes, a trip to Bismark during the winter can be problematic. Have a safe trip.
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:22 PM
December 29, 2011 4:24 PM - dibs
Gold takes another tumble. $1,400 here we come.
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:24 PM
December 29, 2011 4:25 PM - petebklyn
wow, sixyears, great longevity in your family. Hope she is in no pain and peaceful.
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:25 PM
December 29, 2011 4:27 PM - petebklyn
am sure a latke could substitute for a muffin.

I was walking around neighborhood - very busy - but no sight of any expats.
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:27 PM
December 29, 2011 4:28 PM - dibs
[fantasizing about what might occur in the kitchen of a Chinese restaurant with an eggroll]
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December 29, 2011 4:29 PM - rf
So sorry, six. Have a safe trip. It's good that your mom has you with her right now.
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:29 PM
December 29, 2011 4:29 PM - dibs
[or a tortilla in ANY kitchen in NYC]
December 29, 2011 4:29 PM - rf
Donatella, how was physical therapy?
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:29 PM
December 29, 2011 4:30 PM - Donatella
Cubans have always believed that Raul Castro is gay and they call him the "Primera Dama" First Lady.
December 29, 2011 4:31 PM - Legion
I like analogies,
they provide a clear and easy to digest vision of complex ideas.
Here's my analogy of our economy, based on my understanding of the variables:

We're side by side with the rest of the world in one of those funny car races.
The rest of the world manages to creep up to the starting line in a beat up 4 cylinder with thread bare tires so we look good in comparison.
The US drives up to the starting line in a souped up monster truck with no brakes bought with money borrowed from the Chinese Mob.
On the sidelines are a bunch of vultures (Hu Jintao, Putin, Chavez, Ahmedinajaad, Jong Un, etc) waiting to see the fireworks when the cars hit a giant hole in the track a mile ahead.
For the American people in the monster truck all seems great, what could possibly go wrong?
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:31 PM
December 29, 2011 4:31 PM - petebklyn
am not quite sure what strategic communications is but sounds like newfangled expression for public relations.
and lot of corporations and such have plenty of them. the more crooked the corporation the more they hire. so sounds like a growing and profitable profession to me.
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:31 PM
December 29, 2011 4:31 PM - rf
Was Tricky Dick gay?
http://www.limelife.com/blog-entry/New-Book-Claims-That-Richard-Nixon-Was-Gay/138308.html
December 29, 2011 4:32 PM - lechacal
How's this for a novel concept: figure out what people are actually paying money for other people to do, and learn how to do that. Zero percent of the time will this lead to studying English, Communications, Comp Lit, Women's Studies, or Political Science (among others). Try learning welding, or plumbing, or electrical work. Or learn something relevant to the oil industry and move to Texas. Don't study some stupid subject and then sit around bitching about your student loans. Goddam that shit pisses me off.
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:32 PM
December 29, 2011 4:34 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Six, Very sorry to hear about your Gram. Best to you and your mother. 97 is quite a feat!

"I was walking around neighborhood - very busy - but no sight of any expats."

I was looking for you! In truth, I was only on Smith Street very briefly...I went over to Bien Cuit for a loaf of their lovely bread but the B*ST*RDS were closed!

And jessi, I will NOT be googling whatever that was because I'm sure it's gross and will make me GAG!
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:34 PM
December 29, 2011 4:34 PM - Donatella
Actually, I had to do mouse related things before rf. My appointment is 5:30 Midtown East, so I am going right now. I am prepared to do whatever I have to do to fix this, including get a lot of info. Thanks for asking. The mice are serious here now. I guess this is the time but I have to get rid of this. Took half the day. (little fuckers) Ok, gotta go for real.

Bye, have a good trip Six. I like what Pete said. I hope that she is peaceful and in no pain and you will be there for her which is really great.
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:34 PM
December 29, 2011 4:36 PM - petebklyn
"figure out what people are actually paying money for other people to do, and learn how to do that."-
like what Dibs is paying money for people to do?
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:36 PM
December 29, 2011 4:39 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
"like what Dibs is paying money for people to do?"

Snort!
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:39 PM
December 29, 2011 4:39 PM - dibs
Well, what more evidence is necessary????????


December 29, 2011 4:42 PM - DeLepp
I'll take nixon over sandusky.
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:42 PM
December 29, 2011 4:42 PM - DeadCatBounce
Pete I cant imagine that would take 4 years of college to learn.
December 29, 2011 4:43 PM - CGar
"I'm sure it's gross and will make me GAG!"

Yeah, but only if you're the one who eats the muffin.
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:43 PM
December 29, 2011 4:44 PM - DeLepp
ooh papi, si papi, un mas papi

December 29, 2011 4:44 PM - Legion
Check out this lovely old postcard I found in a thrift store yesterday.
Its date says 1943 on the back.
It's a reproduction from an original etching by Van Neste,
Place de la Digne
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:44 PM
December 29, 2011 4:44 PM - dibs
You should talk, DeLepp!!!
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:44 PM
December 29, 2011 4:45 PM - DeLepp
no chatting, I silently let the toes curl.
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:45 PM
December 29, 2011 4:46 PM - dibs
Many a Thai go-go boy has been bankrolled to start a business of his own over there.
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:46 PM
December 29, 2011 4:48 PM - petebklyn
is that a banana in dick's pocket or is he just glad to see his buddy?
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:48 PM
December 29, 2011 4:49 PM - petebklyn
nice postcard. did you pay for it or just take a picture?
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:49 PM
December 29, 2011 4:50 PM - dibs
Well, I don't think there's been a more poignant name since "Tricky Dick" until "The Big Unit" came along.
December 29, 2011 4:50 PM - petebklyn
gotta run, pick up other 1/4 at work and drive up to the country.
December 29, 2011 4:55 PM - Legion
...I borrowed it on my credit card pete.
This one too:
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December 29, 2011 4:57 PM - dibs
Did any of you see this mayhem at The Church of The Nativity?????????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn90BNz729k

Armenian and greek orthodox clergymen....
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:57 PM
December 29, 2011 4:58 PM - lechacal
Almost to Ohio.
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:58 PM
December 29, 2011 4:58 PM - DeLepp
dibs, hilarious when I saw it yesterday morning. All these camera phones.
Edited at December 29, 2011 4:58 PM
December 29, 2011 5:10 PM - dibs
Just another aspect of the craziness that runs rampant throughout the Middle East.
Edited at December 29, 2011 5:11 PM
December 29, 2011 6:54 PM - lechacal
Dinner in West Jefferson, Ohio tonight.
Edited at December 29, 2011 6:54 PM
December 29, 2011 7:06 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Dinner in West Jefferson, Ohio tonight.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH! please PLEASE make it a point to tell them how much NYC sucks, especially brooklyn!!! Tell them everyone over here wishes they could live in Toledo and that's the place to be!!


*rob*

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December 29, 2011 8:28 PM - petebklyn
I've never been to Ohio. only know it from 2 songs --CSNY - 4 dead in Oh- high-oh
and pretenders song-
I went back to ohio but my city was gone there was no train station there was no downtown
Edited at December 29, 2011 8:28 PM
December 29, 2011 8:32 PM - petebklyn
"I borrowed it on my credit card " --- there goes the debt limit .
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December 29, 2011 8:38 PM - Arkady
Legion - A postcard, or any other artifact, from 1943 is not old!
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December 29, 2011 8:53 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR always forgetting you realized you are missing one crucial (usually the biggest) ingredient after having gone to the supermarket.

i was all ready to play some dead or alive 3 on xbox until i realized i have to back to the supermarket.



*rob*

Edited at December 29, 2011 8:53 PM
December 29, 2011 9:09 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
got paid today early instead of this monday (have off). paid my student loans and im current on both now (well have to send one in tomorrow when i get an extra money order). but it's a good feeling. i went from paying every three months to every 2 months and now im caught up paying every month pretty much on time. i REALLY like seeing every month that number go down instead of flatlining or increasing like it was for, well, the last 11 years :-/ i have no idea what kind of plan i am on tho... like repayment wise? like a 20 year plan or 10?

my stafford subsidized government loan is 127 and change a month with a 2 or 3 percent interest rate and my perkins private rutgers loan is 57 dollars and change a month at 5% interest rate. is that bad? (not the amount, i mean the interest rates). fyi: it wont really do me any good to consolidate supposedly, i did the research...

when i was ignoring it all and constantly forbearing and deferring, they ballooned to
25K for the stafford
5K for the perkins

but now im in the 24K zone for the stafford
and the 3K zone for the perkins

i also have a different outlook now on my loan amounts, which, for a state school do seem high, considering i got substantial financial aid and had some scholarship money as well, but always maxed out my student loans in order to get a refund check at the beginning of each semester.

i look at it like, well, for a brief time in my early 20's i wasn't living a poor lifestyle. it was fun. i had fun with the money and i didnt constantly have to turn down invites to actually DO stuff that costs money. that might seem like a horrible attitude, and it IS, but im not going to beat myself up over it. just going to pay it now and resign myself to the fact that i allowed myself to have a decent lifestyle for those years in your life where having a decent lifestyle are the most fun.

i dont mind paying my loans off now and being broke all time now that im old. (yes i KNOW 34 isn't "old" perse, but it kinda is when you think about) old enough anyway, and since i do not aspire to have grown up things like children, a house, a car, a spouse/partner, it's all moot.

point short, im going to be more fiscally responsible in 2012 and im going to stop whining about being poor all the time because every reason that i am "poor" (and im not REALLY poor by any standard definition of it) is all my own doing.

i had an experience on the train home tonight that im not going to bother posting because it might seem SO far fetched that i'd be accused of lying. (i wouldnt believe myself either). but then again so many outlandish things on the train happen anyway so it wouldnt have been THAT out of the ordinary.



*rob*



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December 29, 2011 9:19 PM - DeadCatBounce
"point short, im going to be more fiscally responsible in 2012 and im going to stop whining about being poor all the time because every reason that i am "poor" (and im not REALLY poor by any standard definition of it) is all my own doing. "

Wow, Rob. Bravo. I know you are going to prosper, and find a lot of happiness, too.
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December 29, 2011 9:28 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
i also want to quit smoking, that will save SO much money. a chick i know quit smoking and told me that she got so fat she had to constantly keep buying new clothes and it wound up costing her more for clothes than it did if she just continuued to smoke. so she went back to smoking cuz it was cheaper. this was a long time, and in another state tho, where i thik cigs were like 4 bux a pack. at 11.25 (the cheapest i can find them here) x 30 a month. fucking, OUCH. that's like what? almost 400 a month? i dont want to get fatter tho. i walk a LOT and am physically a maniac during the day at work (tho a lot of sitting but not for too long at a time). exercise actually makes my mind race too much. anyway, that's not the point i guess.. the point is to keep up with the student loans and make sure it's paid off, perhaps at some point im going to realize hmmmm i have 11.25 today for cigs or i have 11.25 to go to the movies with people. trying to make it click in my brain, not working with the smoking yet.

*rob*

Edited at December 29, 2011 9:28 PM
December 29, 2011 9:33 PM - Donatella
*rob* my cousin and his wife spend 1,000 dollars a month on cigarettes. They know that is crazy (especially since it gave my cousin cancer). They are quitting and they will save that money. Like you. Go for it. And put money in an IRA or 401K, even if it is a little. Is there anyway you can get a raise too?
Edited at December 29, 2011 9:33 PM
December 29, 2011 9:37 PM - Arkady
Your metabolism does slow down when you quit but, if you get on a scale every day & cut back on eating when you see the number going up, you can control your weight. Hard candies & chewing gum help.
Lots of luck, rob, w/ that & your loans!
Edited at December 29, 2011 9:37 PM
December 29, 2011 9:42 PM - Donatella
When I quit I exercised every day. It helped with my nerves and I didn't gain weight.
Edited at December 29, 2011 9:42 PM
December 29, 2011 9:56 PM - Arkady
Since I'd lost 30 lbs while I was sick, it's hard to know if I actually gained from quitting or just from getting well.
Edited at December 29, 2011 9:56 PM
December 29, 2011 10:05 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
*rob* my cousin and his wife spend 1,000 dollars a month on cigarettes. They know that is crazy (especially since it gave my cousin cancer). They are quitting and they will save that money. Like you. Go for it. And put money in an IRA or 401K, even if it is a little. Is there anyway you can get a raise too?

i put in 1% of my paycheck to my 401K. i should put more, but really can't afford it and not sure how reliable it is. lots of people say the whole thing is a scam (i kinda agree with them but im saying that out of a bit of ignorance...).

the raise thing? i dont know. we used to get one every year for the most part but that stopped 3-4 years ago. i know two people (not where i work) that when they asked for a raise they got canned.

*rob*

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December 29, 2011 10:10 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
yeah it's fucked up thinking anyway to care about gaining 10 pounds, i'd imagine the not smoking out benefits the extra 10 pounds. also weird cuz im not even gay about my weight to begin with! addiction is one insane thing. i think im more worried about the stress relief that cigs give me than gaining weight really. a coworker i once had controlled it by going outside on his regular smoking breaks and sucked thru a cut straw for a long time and was able to quit. anyway, no one likes to hear the whiny tribulations of people trying to quit shit. i know my eyes glaze over lol. ill either do it or i wont, but i will be paying my student loans back.

*rob*

Edited at December 29, 2011 10:10 PM
December 29, 2011 10:13 PM - Donatella
Re investing, you need to learn a little about it, but you have the smarts. The trick is to get the right mix of investments for your age. Equities (stocks) have the potential for long term growth and you have about 30 years so a good mix of equities is good, i.e. 70% and the rest bonds and cash.
Edited at December 29, 2011 10:13 PM
December 29, 2011 10:15 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
of course when i go and visit my grandmother who has an ACTUAL HOLE IN HER THROAT, yet still smokes, might be the final ending for it for me, but i have to stop letting my mouth write checks my ass can't cash to myself. i'll only be able to do at any given moment what im able to do and im not going to fret about the rest.

*rob*

Edited at December 29, 2011 10:15 PM
December 29, 2011 10:21 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Re investing, you need to learn a little about it, but you have the smarts. The trick is to get the right mix of investments for your age. Equities (stocks) have the potential for long term growth and you have about 30 years so a good mix of equities is good, i.e. 70% and the rest bonds and cash.

i've actually been trying really REALLY hard the last few years to teach myself the basics of economics, etc, those kinds of things. it's also one of those fields in life where people are not going to lay it out flat on the table for you, or give you the simple breakdown of what it's all about, or care about what you are doing it's like one aspect of life where everyone is out for one thing and one thing only, to make THEMSELVES richer. it's sorta like asking someone what #'s are gonna win the mega millions if they know... they are NOT going to tell you. they will feed you a bunch of mumbo jumbo jargon and act all like well if you are too stupid to figure it out kinda thing... blech. plus if you only have like 10 dollars a week to invest in and let people play with that 10 dollars no one wants to deal with you, they are only interested in people with 10,000 dollars a week to play with their money.

my goal in life is not to be rich, but my goal in life is to not be what i saw on the train this evening.

*rob*

December 29, 2011 10:22 PM - Donatella
You can do it and it is worth it. Goodnight.
Edited at December 29, 2011 10:22 PM
December 29, 2011 10:24 PM - Donatella
Investing is not as hard as you think. G'nite for real.
Edited at December 29, 2011 10:24 PM
December 29, 2011 10:24 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
thanks, donna :) g'nite too


*rob*

Edited at December 29, 2011 10:24 PM
December 29, 2011 10:28 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
the concept of "investing" in order to secure financial independence is mad creepy to me tho. i dont like the word "invest". i dont want other people playing with the money i earn. except for the IRS, i dont mind letting them hold my money so i get a refund check at the end of the year instead of owing... but a lot of people are like that.

one of the reasons i dont like the concept of investing is because very very very few people even born on this planet even have that option to begin with. it doesn't seem natural to me, and it doesnt seem futuristic. honestly, i think 40-50 years from now there will be no such concept as financial investment. (Dave, if you are reading this, shut up, youll most likely be dead by then anyway)


*rob*

Edited at December 29, 2011 10:28 PM
December 29, 2011 10:35 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
my way of thinking is totally stuck in that cliched thingie of being stuck being between a rock and a hard place (or whatever it's called) grrr

but i dont get angry cuz when i close my eyes and imagine where i want to be 20 years from now, it's in a trailer park (a NICE one) with a few pitbulls and wacky neighbors knocking on my door and bringing brownies and asking if my TV works cuz Maury is on and her daughter is SURE this one is the father kinda thing. i dont care if that sounds trashy, it's how i see my life when i grow up.

*rob*

Edited at December 29, 2011 10:35 PM
December 29, 2011 10:37 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
and then ill read her tarot cards and she'll send over her neighbors who can only pay in giving me their kids video games or canned corn and bottles of vinegar. not everyone wants the white picket fence, 2.3 kids, a giant house (or an ugly ass brownstone), or be a wannabe snooty urban dweller their entire lives!

*rob*

Edited at December 29, 2011 10:37 PM
December 29, 2011 10:54 PM - lechacal
West Virginia was brief. Time to sleep in PA.
Edited at December 29, 2011 10:54 PM
December 29, 2011 11:02 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
im not a fan of Lech on the Road. he just checks in. no fun!

im talking to my sister and brother on facebook right now (21 and 20) trying to figure out what to do with them in the city this winter. any ideas? i suggested we all dress as thugs and go ice skating. they think that is lame. but everything will be lame. grrrr seriously, i am OLD!


*rob*

Edited at December 29, 2011 11:02 PM
December 29, 2011 11:08 PM - lechacal
Oh good fucking Christ almighty this "hotel" is disgusting. If you never hear from me again send the cops to investigate the comfort inn in Washington PA.
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:08 PM
December 29, 2011 11:16 PM - rf
High line
Edited at December 29, 2011 11:16 PM
December 29, 2011 11:36 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
High line

actually i'd take it where ever it is lech is staying then the yuppie/euroscum/rich tourist highline ANYDAY. i havent been to the high line yet, but i DO know for a fact that when i do finally go and visit it ill be pissing everywhere. oh wait. there's like 3 cops for every 2 person and a bunch of 3 million dollar chelsea apartment NIMBY's screaming out their windows about people enjoying life in that highlighe park. booo hoooo. didnt that used to be a place where people fucked trannies and stuff? just proves nyc is really gone when the entire area was taken over and turned from trannyville to yuppyville. barf. i hope crack comes back in vogue again and i hope all their little josh and megans and zoeys step on crack vials and scream MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA i stepped on something. go back to to the suburbs and the midwest you boring fucking assholes. sorry, but i can say it like i feel. and im not claiming to be "city" but i HATE the kinds of people that have infested the west side of manhattan (oh and the east side). brooklyn i dont particularly care about much cuz i consider it a Zo-doZone

*rob*