Tuesday Open Thread
December 13, 2011 6:55 AM - BoerumHillScott

263 comments
December 13, 2011 7:39 AM - dibs
I agree. Most people are too stupid to understand the complexities of a left turn.
Edited at December 13, 2011 7:39 AM
#1
December 13, 2011 7:59 AM - dibs
"Students of the eight elite colleges comprising the Ivy League in the northeastern U.S., such as Sandra Korn of Harvard and Tom Moore of Cornell, are criticizing their universities for sending high numbers of graduates to Wall Street, rather than to jobs that emphasize community service. "

Yeah, community service will pay the tuition bills!!!!! Morons.
#2
December 13, 2011 8:07 AM - rf
Ivy League colleges are very generous to every family that can't afford to pay. Harvard gives full scholarships (room, board, tuition) to every kid coming from a family making less than $65k, with considerable aid up to $200k.
http://www.fao.fas.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k51861&pageid=icb.page244010

#3
December 13, 2011 8:10 AM - dibs
Yes, because they have endowments funded by the alumni who have gone off to make lots of $$$ from Wall Street and other nefarious positions
#4
December 13, 2011 8:12 AM - BoerumHillScott
Not to mention that many/most community service organizations are primarily funded by donations from big business and foundations that got their money from big business.
#5
December 13, 2011 8:15 AM - dibs
Scott, it's a never ending battle to clean up where all the money comes from.
#6
December 13, 2011 8:33 AM - dibs
Watch Boeing make this plane for Southwest....

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=zKnsyYbfC60&feature=popular
#7
December 13, 2011 8:34 AM - sixyearsandcounting
If they didn't charge astronomical tuition rates in the first place, they wouldn't have to give so much financial aid.
#8
December 13, 2011 8:36 AM - dibs
One word, six: TENURE
#9
December 13, 2011 8:37 AM - DeadCatBounce
RULES FOR SALARY DISTRIBUTION
Rule 1: Nobody should ever make more than twice my salary.
Rule 2: Any service provider who provides me with a service that I DON'T have to pay for myself, should make not less than half my salary.
Rule 3: Any service provider who provides me with a service that I DO have to pay for myself, should be an illegal alien.
Rule 4: Any social service that would ease my guilty conscience should be paid for by taxing everyone who makes 15% more than I do.
Rule 5: Any job that I don't understand or think is necessary, such as Bank President or Soccer Goalie, should make no more than I do.
Rule 6: I can make as much as possible, as long as the above proportions and rules are maintained.
#10
December 13, 2011 8:41 AM - dibs
I adhere to your Rule 3 quite often.

I'm also fantasizing about paying a Soccer goalie for a certain service.
#11
December 13, 2011 8:43 AM - dibs
I think Biff and a few others would also pay a goalie....
Edited at December 13, 2011 8:43 AM
#12
December 13, 2011 8:47 AM - dibs
Gothamist has a look at this year's Dyker heights Christmas lights....

http://gothamist.com/2011/12/12/a_look_at_this_years_dyker_heights.php#photo-1
#13
December 13, 2011 8:51 AM - More4Less
yep, that's the famous 84th st on Dyker Heights - rep well deserved. some pretty nice big houses there.
Edited at December 13, 2011 8:51 AM
#14
December 13, 2011 8:52 AM - dibs
Bigger isn't always better, m4l.


Edited at December 13, 2011 8:52 AM
#15
December 13, 2011 8:53 AM - DeadCatBounce
Dave, you are surprisingly good at posting pictures of hot women.
I encourage more of the same.
#16
December 13, 2011 9:01 AM - More4Less
DIBS, and just cause there's some brown facade on a house doesn't mean it aint shitty. Kidding aside, there's some nice big detached colonials with attached garages, etc. really nice.
#17
December 13, 2011 9:03 AM - petebklyn
wish would stay cold for couple of days so my cannas and elephant ears would die already so I can dig them up for the winter.
#18
December 13, 2011 9:05 AM - DeLepp
Hooray for kakatuni!
"In this case, a narcissistic, self-indulgent, hot-air-filled tome that condescends to its ostensible subject, Mrs. Nixon, and that wastes the reader’s time making ridiculous comparisons between, say, the Nixons and the characters in the Raymond Carver story"

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/13/books/mrs-nixon-a-novelist-imagines-a-life-by-ann-beattie-review.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper
#19
December 13, 2011 9:06 AM - dibs
Pete, I didn't know you had cannas. My best friend in Chicago had cannas and dug them up every year.
Edited at December 13, 2011 9:06 AM
#20
December 13, 2011 9:08 AM - dibs
LOL, DeLepp...even better: "the sort of pretentious volume that makes people hate academics."


Edited at December 13, 2011 9:08 AM
#21
December 13, 2011 9:12 AM - petebklyn
they were still blooming last week.
#22
December 13, 2011 9:13 AM - dibs
Have we even gotten below freezing here in the city????
Edited at December 13, 2011 9:13 AM
#23
December 13, 2011 9:14 AM - petebklyn
that snow in oct. and this past wkend had frosts here.....but not severe.....backyards are kinda protected.
#24
December 13, 2011 9:19 AM - DeLepp
dibs, that as well as blather on and on (and on and on) line got me reading the rest of review.
#25
December 13, 2011 9:22 AM - petebklyn
speaking of books, I just read that Lou Reed was at bookstore on Court st. last night promoting some book. who knew?
#26
December 13, 2011 9:25 AM - DeLepp
pete, "Perfect Day" one of my favorite songs. Still can't believe Bea Arthur and rock hudson sang a duet in primetime in the 1960s. Doubtful the tv audience knew it was about the joys of herion.
#27
December 13, 2011 9:28 AM - Deleted
I wonder if "Il piccolo Mario" will take his cue from his father and not press for the death penalty for the piece of garbage that killed Officer Figoski last night. Probably so.

In general I am against the death penalty on both moral and practical grounds. I make one exception, though. Anyone who kills an officer of the law, be it a policeman or a corrections officer, should promptly get the death penalty. Officers of the law deserve this protection. They are the ones who have to deal with these depraved people, and as such their life is all that stands in the way of the criminal getting away.


#28
December 13, 2011 9:28 AM - MontroseMorris
"Students of the eight elite colleges comprising the Ivy League in the northeastern U.S., such as Sandra Korn of Harvard and Tom Moore of Cornell, are criticizing their universities for sending high numbers of graduates to Wall Street, rather than to jobs that emphasize community service. "

First of all, laudable sentiment, but short sighted thinking in the long run, not because community service doesn't pay for tuition, but because all kinds of jobs are vital to an economy, including Wall St. jobs. And yes, the donations by corporations and rich individuals are vital to a university's endowment.

I think the students were bemoaning the fact that Ivy League schools were as well known for turning out do-gooders as well as business moguls, and one was not better than the other in the eyes of the school. Most of the Ivy League schools were founded as Protestant divinity schools, and have a long tradition of practical community service, which is ingrained into the fiber of the schools. I rather like that tradition, and hope they never lose it.

Tenure used to be a reward for teaching work well done, whether in the primary level or university. It said, "you're good for this institution, and we want to keep you." It's not a bad thing in of itself, its just been warped, like so many good intentions, into an unfair and cutthroat competition/bargaining chip. In a fair world, tenure would be restored to its former position, but unfortunately, that's not likely to happen.
Edited at December 13, 2011 9:28 AM
#29
December 13, 2011 9:29 AM - dibs
Something should happen to that judge who let him out on his own recognizance when there was a warrant out for his arrest from another state.
#30
December 13, 2011 9:32 AM - Deleted
DIBS;

Yes, that judge should stand before Officer Figoski's 4 daughters and explain his actions. Ridiculous.
#31
December 13, 2011 9:32 AM - dibs
It was a "her" benson.
#32
December 13, 2011 9:34 AM - DeLepp
benson, 100% agreed. Capital punishment in only these cases. Lets hope it's not dragged out to spare the family any more agony.

#33
December 13, 2011 9:40 AM - dibs
Interesting point made over on diehipster.com.... Most of them will be going back home to Wisconsin for Christmas and NYC will at least be somewhat relatively hipster free.
#34
December 13, 2011 9:42 AM - petebklyn
Spite House in boston -- 10.4' wide.
(warning - video and have to watch commercial 1st)
http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c2#/video/topvideos/2011/12/12/cm-unique-homes-skinny-house.cnnmoney
Edited at December 13, 2011 9:42 AM
#35
December 13, 2011 9:48 AM - petebklyn
I think those diehipster and ilk ( i.e. *rob*) -- forget that far more NYers have moved to/infiltrated other parts of this country then outsiders have moved here. But transplanted NYers probably get just as much hostility and backlash as diehipster and such give our newcomers.
#36
December 13, 2011 9:49 AM - dibs
Pete, do you think that's mostly because of the annoying accent or the paranoia and neurosis that they exhibit?
Edited at December 13, 2011 9:49 AM
#37
December 13, 2011 9:49 AM - Deleted
I would bet money that most of the people who write stuff for sites like Diehipster are transplants themselves.
#38
December 13, 2011 9:54 AM - petebklyn
neurosis mostly---or really aggressiveness.

funny line from article about crystal bridges museum-- in arkansas built by walton's.
" I suspect it is also the only building associated with Wal-Mart that is devoted solely to American-made goods."
#39
December 13, 2011 9:57 AM - lechacal
Diary, December 13

Spent the night making black powder and forging lead balls while drinking artisanal coffee at Grumpy's. Could see enemy shopping at Brooklyn Industries across 9th St. Let them shop while we prepare and grow stronger.

**THE SLOPEFEDERACY WILL RISE AGAIN**
Edited at December 13, 2011 9:57 AM
#40
December 13, 2011 10:04 AM - Deleted
I love sleeping til 10am

I predict die hipster is right. U can usually tell by how many leave wb for thanksgiving.
#41
December 13, 2011 10:06 AM - dibs
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth in Brooklyn, a new neighborhood, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal only within the Park Slope Food Coop.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that neighborhood, or any neighborhood so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who feel the need for a mocachino, latte or any other artisinal organic coffee. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have slacked off, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored losers we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these losers shall not have been slackers in vain -- that this neighborhood, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.


#42
December 13, 2011 10:16 AM - dibs
And if any of you cannot repeat at least the first two paragraphs of the Gettysburg Address from your high school days then you cannot call yourselves American.

God Bless America
Edited at December 13, 2011 10:16 AM
#43
December 13, 2011 10:17 AM - BoerumHillScott
I must be super anti-American, because we never had t memorize it.
#44
December 13, 2011 10:18 AM - Deleted
Kids today might not even know the pledge of allegiance!
#45
December 13, 2011 10:18 AM - dibs
I don't measure a cat's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom.
George S. Catton


Edited at December 13, 2011 10:18 AM
#46
December 13, 2011 10:20 AM - Deleted
I still find it ludicrous that a north vs south park slope war is being talked about. It's clear slopers believe in manifest destiny. They will unite and drive culture and the middle class from sunset park and crown heights
#47
December 13, 2011 10:21 AM - lechacal
"we never had t memorize it"

In public school in Alabama? I'm shocked.
#48
December 13, 2011 10:22 AM - lechacal
DH, we already gave smallpox-infested blankets to the natives of Fort Greene and Prospect Heights and sent in bearded overgrown children to replace them. Now we're turning on each other.
#49
December 13, 2011 10:24 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
wow, this is very interesting...

"i see your chart stopped in 2005, and food stamps have exploded since then.

how ironic is it that the more people who are on food stamps the more money JP Morgan makes (who got taxpayer bailout money)?:


JP Morgan is the largest processor of food stamp benefits in the United States. JP Morgan has contracted to provide food stamp debit cards in 26 U.S. states and the District of Columbia. JP Morgan is paid for each case that it handles, so that means that the more Americans that go on food stamps, the more profits JP Morgan makes. Yes, you read that correctly. When the number of Americans on food stamps goes up, JP Morgan makes more money. In the video posted below, JP Morgan executive Christopher Paton admits that this is "a very important business to JP Morgan" and that it is doing very well.


Considering the fact that the number of Americans on food stamps has exploded from 26 million in 2007 to 43 million today, one can only imagine how much JP Morgan's profits in this area have soared.

so the "poor" are indirectly helping the rich bankers get richer.

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/1444776-food-stamps-frappuccinos-5.html#ixzz1gQd6p1hA"

*rob*

#50
December 13, 2011 10:26 AM - ij
Screw the new Ann Beattie novel; leave Chekhovian fiction to the Spanish, who truly blow Americans off the bookshelf with their literary writing. Read Javier Cercas's Soldiers of Salamis or the Your Face Tomorrow trilogy by Javier Marias.

Or read Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy. And see the movie, it's a good yarn. I went with a female friend who I consider the most eligible woman in NYC. As she was talking, I thought, this is the type of woman who becomes a first lady.
#51
December 13, 2011 10:28 AM - Deleted
One of the most memorable experiences I've had in Japan was an encounter with an elderly shop-keeper in my company's home city (an industrial city about 100 miles north of Tokyo). I had some customers who were looking for a kimono, and we went into his shop. When he saw that we were American, he told us that he had been in the "English-speaking club" in high school and they had an annual oration contest. One year he won based on his recitation of the Gettysburg Address. He then proceeded to recite the whole address again in perfect English, 50 or 60 years later.
Edited at December 13, 2011 10:27 AM
#52
December 13, 2011 10:28 AM - dibs
"this is the type of woman who beocmes a first lady."

Big shoes to fill....
Edited at December 13, 2011 10:28 AM
#53
December 13, 2011 10:32 AM - ij
She's so attractive, as we walk on the street, the men cease bothering to look, and the women all look at me.
Edited at December 13, 2011 10:32 AM
#54
December 13, 2011 10:33 AM - CGar
dave: GM
rf: It's afternoon

dave: It's a beautiful sunny day
rf: No, it's overcast and looks like rain

dave: Moron
rf: Fuck you
#55
December 13, 2011 10:37 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
how come houses and apartments can't be like consumer goods? grrrr. something i paid 300 dollars for a few years ago im selling today and ill be lucky if i get 10 bux. and i must have been a very bad boy this year... my office secret santa someone wound up getting two gifts, and i got none lol. and my grandmother sent me my christmas card with no cash in it for the first time ever! and people wonder why im cranky. the Universe hates me.


*rob*

#56
December 13, 2011 10:38 AM - BoerumHillScott
I went to a semi-public school in Baton Rouge run by Louisiana State University.

The only thing I remember having to memorize was some poem in English Lit, and I promptly forgot it after the test.
#57
December 13, 2011 10:40 AM - dibs
Only overeducated twits quote from English lit.
#58
December 13, 2011 10:41 AM - Deleted
Depreciation rob.
#59
December 13, 2011 10:42 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
do people depreciate as well?

*rob*

#60
December 13, 2011 10:44 AM - lechacal
"depreciation" says the accountant
"free market" says the banker
"there was no guarantee" says the lawyer
"next one is on the house" says CGar
#61
December 13, 2011 10:47 AM - lechacal
"do people depreciate as well?"

Women with plastic surgery certainly do.


Edited at December 13, 2011 10:47 AM
#62
December 13, 2011 10:47 AM - Deleted
Good question. Do people depreciate? Lots of people pro ably get more useful as they get older bc of life insurance.
#63
December 13, 2011 10:48 AM - dibs
Today people who hold cash equivalents feel comfortable. They shouldn't. They have opted for a terrible long-term asset, one that pays virtually nothing and is certain to depreciate in value.
Warren Buffett




#64
December 13, 2011 10:49 AM - Deleted
"how come houses and apartments can't be like consumer goods?"

*Rob*

You are onto something. In fact, in Japan that is exactly how buildings are viewed: a depreciating physical asset, much the way we would view a car. The only thing that is considered to be of long-term value is the land itself.

With the massive intervention of the federal government since WWII (think: mortgage interest deduction, Fannie and Freddie Mac, FHA, etc.) the economics of real estate has become distorted. I think we will be slowly returning to a more rational way of thinking about real estate.

Think about this (and this is in line with DCB's recommendation about teaching folks about basic economics): for most consumer goods, you can go to a website that gives you straightforward information on the "Total cost of ownership". You can go to Edmund's website and find out, for any model car, how much it is likely to cost you in terms of operations, repairs, depreciation, etc. Is there such a site for homes? Not really. That's because we've been on a 60 year joy ride of "Real Estaate Only Goes UP!!"
#65
December 13, 2011 10:51 AM - Deleted
Agree 10000000x with benson.
#66
December 13, 2011 10:52 AM - Deleted
The economics of real estate has done nothing but make baby boomers rich (some) at the expense of their children.
Edited at December 13, 2011 10:52 AM
#67
December 13, 2011 10:52 AM - dibs
Whatever.
#68
December 13, 2011 10:55 AM - lechacal
Benson is totally right. People keep expecting the market to "get back to normal". Guess what, dipshits, this is normal. Don't expect prices to go up any time soon.
#69
December 13, 2011 10:58 AM - DeLepp
When the tax abatements for all those brand spanking new condos start ending in Manhattan in 2014, and those folks start getting their new tax bills, watch out as all those foreigners start selling because $1/sq foot in taxes a month will give heart attacks.
#70
December 13, 2011 10:59 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
seriously.. and then constantly being bombarded all the time with people flaunting their wealth, it's enough to make someone crazy

*rob*

#71
December 13, 2011 11:01 AM - dibs
DeLepp, it could force the prices of older condos up dramatically. The influx to NYC will never stop
#72
December 13, 2011 11:02 AM - MontroseMorris
"In fact, in Japan that is exactly how buildings are viewed: a depreciating physical asset, much the way we would view a car. The only thing that is considered to be of long-term value is the land itself."

And unfortunately, that attitude has contributed to Japan having so few of its historical buildings still here, especially in cities. Even in the countryside, traditional housing is getting rarer and rarer. I read an article in a non-preservation magazine where a Japanese historian and architect was bemoaning the fact that at this rate, there will be nothing left for future Japanese students of architecture and culture to study, or appreciate, and the nation will have lost a vital part of its history and heritage. Preservation is not just keeping pretty buildings because they are old, it's also preserving them so that they can teach us about the past; how buildings were built and why, craftsmanship and care in construction, and the beauty and strength of the hand made.

Japan has an incredible architectural history, totally unique, and very different from Western ideals, yet similar in many ways because all human beings require certain things in shelter. It would be a shame if the only authentic Japanese houses or temples exist on film only, or have to be re-created in a museum or theme park.
Edited at December 13, 2011 11:02 AM
#73
December 13, 2011 11:02 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
The influx to NYC will never stop

a city of nothing but new arrivals consisting of immigrants and moonfaces is not sustainable (i hate that fucking word). at the very least, it's economic suicide.


*rob*

#74
December 13, 2011 11:03 AM - DeLepp
dibs, older condos/coops are being re-assessed at those levels now. There is a play to get albany to create "fair" taxes(tax condos like houses), I don't see it happening soon as govts don't lower taxes, just services.
#75
December 13, 2011 11:04 AM - Deleted
People love to analyze why Brooklyn has changed so much in the past xxx years.

The only reason is manhattan got more expensive. And why did manhattan get more expensive? Europeans buying up condos bc of the weak dollar. A good majority of people who moved to Brooklyn in the past 5-10 years simply wouldn't be here.

Of course once they move here they join the "Brooklyn rules manhattan sux" cult. And oddly enough manhattan is cheaper than lots of primo brooklyn nabes.
Edited at December 13, 2011 11:04 AM
#76
December 13, 2011 11:05 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
WHO CARES ABOUT HISTORICAL PRESERVATION WHEN NOTHING IS AFFORDABLE!!!!!! OLD BUILDINGS ARE COOL LOOKING AND ALL, BUT THEY STYMIE INTELLECTUAL DISCOURSE AND FINANCIAL FREEDOM!


*ROB*

#77
December 13, 2011 11:08 AM - Deleted
2,500 will get you a nicer one bedroom on the upper west side then it will in brownstone Brooklyn.
#78
December 13, 2011 11:11 AM - dibs
dh...I agree with you on the rental situation. As I looked for a brownstone to rent in anticipation of selling my house, there was absolutely NOTHING out there of any quality. Landlords lack the ability to understand that if they spent some money they could get higher rents or, more likely, they don't understand what quality is. Only high rises have the type of amenities (large, nice kitchen, nice bath) that people want if they are spending that sort of money. Most of the brownstone rental units had really shitty yards.
Edited at December 13, 2011 11:15 AM
#79
December 13, 2011 11:16 AM - Deleted
Yeah dibs. It's rough. Landlords Are just starting to spend the money in north Brooklyn to make the Apartments nicer. And even then it's just a middle of the road home depot renovation that you pay a 400 dollar per month premium for.

Forget it with brownstones. All The rentals are dingy gardens oftentimes with no yard access

Theres so many 800 sqft apartments in Brooklyn that are chopped up into awkward 2 bedrooms that would make really nice 1 bedrooms.
#80
December 13, 2011 11:16 AM - MontroseMorris
"OLD BUILDINGS ARE COOL LOOKING AND ALL, BUT THEY STYMIE INTELLECTUAL DISCOURSE"

That doesn't even make sense, not surprisingly.
#81
December 13, 2011 11:17 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
QUOTE:
Landlords lack the ability to understand that if they spent some money they could get higher rents.

rents are already ridiculous out of line with reality tho. im sorry but i refuse to pay an extra 100 dollars a month just to brag about having a bidet or fancy cabinets.

*rob*

#82
December 13, 2011 11:18 AM - dibs
im sorry but i refuse to pay an extra 100 dollars a month just to brag about having a bidet or fancy cabinets.

*rob*

Well, other people will so that's what makes a "market."
Edited at December 13, 2011 11:18 AM
#83
December 13, 2011 11:19 AM - dibs
"OLD BUILDINGS ARE COOL LOOKING AND ALL, BUT THEY STYMIE INTELLECTUAL DISCOURSE"

That doesn't even make sense, not surprisingly.


Only a moron would even bother responding to that. :)
#84
December 13, 2011 11:21 AM - Deleted
"Forget it with brownstones. All The rentals are dingy gardens oftentimes with no yard access"

DH;

Do you remember that statement you made on the other site about this topic? Something about "peanut butter sandwiches". That was one of the funniest comments ever made on that site.


#85
December 13, 2011 11:23 AM - CGar
DH has no credibility because he insists on living less than 10 minutes from a subway.
Edited at December 13, 2011 11:23 AM
#86
December 13, 2011 11:23 AM - Deleted
Haha benson. Yeah. Something about sitting in your dark garden studio watching your landlord BBQ in the garden with his happy family while you eat a peanut butter sammich.

Those were the days, when people actually had real arguments over there!!
#87
December 13, 2011 11:24 AM - dibs
10 minutes???? I insist on less than 5 minutes.
Edited at December 13, 2011 11:24 AM
#88
December 13, 2011 11:25 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
market schmarket, people dont even know the true definition of luxury anymore anyway and are getting RIPPED OFF with phony luxuriousness. kitchen countertops made of various stone material? that's not luxury, that's flintstones living and people have been duped.


*rob*

#89
December 13, 2011 11:27 AM - MontroseMorris
"Landlords lack the ability to understand that if they spent some money they could get higher rents or, more likely, they don't understand what quality is."

Dave, how many forum posts, and/or articles on Brownstoner over the past 5 years have you read where landlords have repeated over and over that they were not going to put quality items, or amenities in their rentals, and everyone agreed with them, because tenants were destroying and complaining scum? Those who did say that they wouldn't have a tenant living in an apartment that wasn't as good as where they lived, were heaped with scorn. Any tenant who wrote in to comment was called a "bitter renter". Is it any surprise that you can't find a really nice brownstone apartment? Too bad more people weren't in the minority, and opted for higher end accoutrements in the hopes of landing someone like you. I don't think it really has much to do with ignorance of taste, but more to do with a contempt for the people who are helping to pay their mortgage, an attitude which is really ill-thought out. One only reaps what one sows.
#90
December 13, 2011 11:28 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
"OLD BUILDINGS ARE COOL LOOKING AND ALL, BUT THEY STYMIE INTELLECTUAL DISCOURSE"

That doesn't even make sense, not surprisingly.

Only a moron would even bother responding to that. :)



oh go bite yourself. im talking intellectual discourse as in making more advanced and technological buildings that make peoples lives better (rich poo and everything in between). historic preservation festishism of old decreped buildings and archaic zoning laws does nothing but pander to the elite and those who lick their taints.

*rob*

Edited at December 13, 2011 11:28 AM
#91
December 13, 2011 11:28 AM - Deleted
Once again, I will say that Rob is onto something. If you don't think that the aura about real estate is overblown, and hence real estate economics, consider this: people spend hours watching TV shows in which real estate brokers try to sell homes. Do folks watch shows wherein car salesmen sell cars?
#92
December 13, 2011 11:32 AM - Deleted
Haha. I was just always surprised that length of walk was always a deal breaker for most people over there. A ten minute walk (half mile) to the subway shouldn't matter if you love everything else. Granted I now live on the same block as a subway entrance and understand the appeal - but I still would have taken this place if it was a 10 mile walk from a g train station
#93
December 13, 2011 11:33 AM - petebklyn
I disagree strongly that europeans drove up prices in manhattan resulting in higher brooklyn prices. You have any data or just talking? The population growth in this city(a.k.a. housing demand) has been immigration largely from asia, latin america.
#94
December 13, 2011 11:33 AM - dibs
benson, there are almost as many shows on Speed network and others about restoring old cars as there are about homes. You don't watch Two Guys Garage????????????
Edited at December 13, 2011 11:33 AM
#95
December 13, 2011 11:33 AM - Legion
I have followed DH and DIBS line of thinking in my brownstone property.
Tried to market towards those seeking larger space instead of more cubbie hole bedrooms.

I think I may continue that idea in Bushwick. Marketing a higher end one bedroom style.

MM,
I agree with you about the unique housing styles of Japan. Understanding of course, that people also need spaces to live today.
There was a really great pictorial in Architectural Digest a couple of years ago featuring
a traditional Japanese Mountain home. 17th century.
It overlooked a green valley from a seat high on the hillside. They renovated it with an eye towards tradition with modern convenience. The roof was a unique material as was the layout. Definitely a style of home worth preserving.
#96
December 13, 2011 11:34 AM - dibs
It's Bush's fault that property prices went up.
Edited at December 13, 2011 11:34 AM
#97
December 13, 2011 11:34 AM - Deleted
Haha benson. Whenever I'm watching "selling ny" I can't help but wonder what a random housewife in (insert suburb of flyover city) thinks about NYC while watching it. It really paints a Weird picture
#98
December 13, 2011 11:35 AM - MontroseMorris
Rob, if you actually knew something, you might have a point. But you don't, you just spew childish naughty words and think that makes you some kind of bohemian downmarket pundit. Dave was right, it was moronic to even bother.

Edited at December 13, 2011 11:35 AM
#99
December 13, 2011 11:35 AM - petebklyn
so is *rob* going to continue his thought and let us all in on what true luxury is? something like that bathtub he posted last week?
December 13, 2011 11:36 AM - Deleted
Just talking Pete based on what I observed and following the sales and immediate re-renting of projects downtown. I don't get Down with real facts and data.
December 13, 2011 11:36 AM - Legion
I will say this about renters,
they bang the shit out of appliances for some reason.
I've changed one tenant's fridge three times while I've had the same single fridge in my own home.

Pride of ownership is a proven concept.
December 13, 2011 11:38 AM - lechacal
"they bang the shit out of appliances for some reason"

And each other too!! I'm pretty sure renters have a lot more sex than owners. On average, of course.
December 13, 2011 11:39 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Rob, if you actually knew something, you might have a point. But you don't.

oh yes, no one is as worldy and learned as you, and thus their opinions are meaningless :-/

*rob*

December 13, 2011 11:39 AM - petebklyn
if gonna rent sex - better get your money's worth.
December 13, 2011 11:39 AM - Deleted
I don't think Rob is spewing nonsense. He's actually talking like a "product manager" in my industry. These guys make a living questioning the market demand of product features, and if the product portfoilio is correct.
December 13, 2011 11:39 AM - dibs
"I've changed one tenant's fridge three times while I've had the same single fridge in my own home."

WTF, after 2 I'd say "NO MORE."
December 13, 2011 11:40 AM - Deleted
Sounds like you just have a weird tenant legion!

Bushwick still seems to be in cheap rent mode for roommates. Lots of railroads for 1700 bux. Greenpoint is pretty damn competiive now
December 13, 2011 11:40 AM - dibs
Renting sex is the better option and costs you less in the long run
December 13, 2011 11:41 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
so is *rob* going to continue his thought and let us all in on what true luxury is?

no, i will not, as i am ignorant and have no valid opinions on any topic whatsoever, and should be hushed off into eternity!


*rob*

December 13, 2011 11:41 AM - petebklyn
isn't there some motorcycle show too? orange choppers or something like that?
December 13, 2011 11:42 AM - lechacal
"Renting sex is the better option and costs you less in the long run"

Yeah but no "pride of ownership", as Legion would say.
December 13, 2011 11:42 AM - Deleted
Rob;

We don't need group-think here. Keep your voice in the mix.
December 13, 2011 11:43 AM - Legion
tips for landlords:

-use gloss paint everywhere, especially in the kitchen.
-pet deposit for sure.
-use small tile instead of large. At the end of a lease period, the large ceramic tiles will look like they took a steel pogo stick to them.
-use easy light bulb fixtures and don't expect to have 100% of the fixtures there after they leave, for some reason
renters haven't mastered the art of changing lightbulbs and replacing the glass fixture with associated decorative screw.
December 13, 2011 11:43 AM - dibs
That show is no longer on, Pete. Orange County Choppers
Edited at December 13, 2011 11:43 AM
December 13, 2011 11:45 AM - petebklyn
no pets, no smokers, no sex. those are my rules.
Edited at December 13, 2011 11:45 AM
December 13, 2011 11:46 AM - Arkady
I've had to replace: 2 washer/dryers; 1 stove; 1 kitchen sink (wtf? must've poured acid in the sink - little holes everywhere in a high-grade stainless); 2 dishwashers & countless light canopies per Legion.
December 13, 2011 11:46 AM - Deleted
"luxury" in NYC is just synonymous with anything that makes your life remotely livable and normal. Dishwasher? Luxury. Laundry in unit? (even if it's a nasty ventless dryer that takes 3 hours to dry a pair of jeans) luxury. Outdoor space? Luxury.
December 13, 2011 11:47 AM - Deleted
Where do landlords even find those ugly white appliances they put in every rental? How much could those things even cost? Hot point brand I think they are
Edited at December 13, 2011 11:47 AM
December 13, 2011 11:48 AM - Legion
P.C. Richards, dh
December 13, 2011 11:49 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
the most hysterical "luxury living" is stuy town. :-/ they really describe it in their ads as "luxury" . absurd! it's not more than high priced project living without the violence!


*rob*

Edited at December 13, 2011 11:49 AM
December 13, 2011 11:50 AM - Deleted
Gotcha legion

I freaking love my new cheap hot point tho. It's humongous. Way bigger than the "luxury" stainless steel ge one my old place had


One thing I wish landlords would do that most don't. Put a microwave over the stove. It frees up so much counter space
December 13, 2011 11:51 AM - DeLepp
http://tiny.cc/pxrsw
24K monthly rent, owners have never lived in it. 19.5million. Right on beach though.

December 13, 2011 11:51 AM - MontroseMorris
"oh yes, no one is as worldy and learned as you, and thus their opinions are meaningless :-/ "

I've never said that, Rob, that's YOUR take on my statements. And please, like you don't post every negative thought that comes into your head, like it was the holy writ, and the last word on the subject?

And Benson, I've never said rob or anyone else can't voice their opinions. But those opinions don't have to be accepted as unassailable fact, no one's do. It has nothing to do with "group-think."
December 13, 2011 11:52 AM - Deleted
Stuy town apartments are humongous.
December 13, 2011 11:52 AM - petebklyn
microwave over the stove is so burb. Why not just put it on the stove? probably don't use it anyway.
Edited at December 13, 2011 11:52 AM
December 13, 2011 11:52 AM - DeLepp
The closets in Stuy town are indeed luxurious. Each one bedroom apt has 2 walk ins.
December 13, 2011 11:52 AM - dibs
Those microwaves over the stove are actually pretty expensive.
December 13, 2011 11:53 AM - petebklyn
rob has never been in a remodeled stuy-town apt.
December 13, 2011 11:53 AM - DeLepp
Consumer reports often rate hot points the best.
December 13, 2011 11:55 AM - dibs
I was in a Stuy town apartment a few months ago.
Edited at December 13, 2011 11:55 AM
December 13, 2011 11:55 AM - Legion
Re: microwave over stove luxury.

Landlord's version: Here's a shelf, go buy a microwave and knock yourself out. ;o)
December 13, 2011 11:55 AM - Arkady
Stove vent goes to the roof - can't put zapper there.
December 13, 2011 11:56 AM - Legion

"And each other too!! I'm pretty sure renters have a lot more sex than owners. On average, of course."


lol,
Yes, renters definitely seem to have more sex judging from my field study of condom wrappers accumulated in the airway shaft.

December 13, 2011 11:56 AM - dibs
99.9% of apartments don't have real vents.
December 13, 2011 11:57 AM - MontroseMorris
Aw, come on, Legion, gloss paint is gross, unless you are doing some kind of high end lacquered finish on a perfect wall, which is not likely in a rental, no matter how high end you go.
December 13, 2011 11:57 AM - Deleted
Arkady;

Over-the-stove microwaves can also serve as the stove vent too.
December 13, 2011 11:57 AM - dibs
I don't like the microwave look anywhere. In Bucks it's in the pantry and on the Cape it's in the cabinet under the island
Edited at December 13, 2011 11:57 AM
December 13, 2011 11:57 AM - Deleted
most oven vents in rentals just recirculate the air
Edited at December 13, 2011 11:57 AM
December 13, 2011 11:58 AM - dibs
Air recirculator, benson, not vent. They don't vent to the outside.
Edited at December 13, 2011 11:58 AM
December 13, 2011 11:59 AM - Legion
MM,
I use eggshell for my own residence
but always use gloss for kitchens and bathrooms in rentals.
Edited at December 13, 2011 11:59 AM
December 13, 2011 12:00 PM - Deleted
whats the rationale behind using gloss in kitchens? is it easier to clean?
December 13, 2011 12:00 PM - DeadCatBounce
When I was first ordered to move from my apt in Gramercy Park, I looked at apts in Stuy town. It would have been great because of proximity to my kids., This was shortly after Met Life had sold Stuy town, and stabilized tenants were being forced out. The apts were renovated and rented out at "market rate".
The new owners idea of "market rate" was absolutely ridiculous. I could have gotten an apt on 5th ave with a view of the park for the same price.
And that is why I live in Brooklyn.
Edited at December 13, 2011 12:00 PM
December 13, 2011 12:00 PM - dibs
I once Satin a bathroom admiring the Gloss finish
December 13, 2011 12:00 PM - Deleted
DIBS;

Incorrect. In my previous home I had a mircrowave/convection oven over the stove that vented the air to the outside.
Edited at December 13, 2011 12:00 PM
December 13, 2011 12:00 PM - dibs
Yes, dh, very easy.
December 13, 2011 12:01 PM - Slopefarm
tips for landlords [Slopey's annotation]:

-use gloss paint everywhere, especially in the kitchen [use flat paint everywhere except bathroom, because you can touch up flat and it blends in best].
-pet deposit for sure [so far no pets].
-use small tile instead of large. At the end of a lease period, the large ceramic tiles will look like they took a steel pogo stick to them [we only have tile in the rental bathroom, so far no pogoing].
-use easy light bulb fixtures and don't expect to have 100% of the fixtures there after they leave, for some reason [recessed lighting and cheap fixtures, haven't lost one yet]
renters haven't mastered the art of changing lightbulbs and replacing the glass fixture with associated decorative screw [are we starting raunch hour yet?].

December 13, 2011 12:01 PM - Legion
dh,

My renters also like to fry everything that moves in the kitchen.

Easy, cleaning.
Edited at December 13, 2011 12:01 PM
December 13, 2011 12:01 PM - dibs
benson, 99% of them don't vent outside anywhere. Homes are different if you spend the money to do it correctly
Edited at December 13, 2011 12:01 PM
December 13, 2011 12:02 PM - MontroseMorris
Stove vents and range hoods were never seen in most residential kitchens until the 1980's, when people started using industrial appliances in lofts and homes. It's one of those made-up consumer "needs".
December 13, 2011 12:03 PM - dibs
Very true, MM, unless you're "ethnic" and cook accordingly.
Edited at December 13, 2011 12:03 PM
December 13, 2011 12:04 PM - Deleted
DIBS;

I'm not talking about the vent set-up (i.e. is there a vent to the outside). My point is that if such an outside vent exists, many over-the-stove microwaves can be hooked up to it.
Edited at December 13, 2011 12:04 PM
December 13, 2011 12:05 PM - dibs
yes, I understand that, benson. rarely there is one though.

In fact the recirculating screens cost additional money.
Edited at December 13, 2011 12:05 PM
December 13, 2011 12:10 PM - Deleted
air circulation = luxury
December 13, 2011 12:18 PM - Deleted
DH;

One can contemplate all those luxuries while eating their PB&J sandwich!
Edited at December 13, 2011 12:18 PM
December 13, 2011 12:19 PM - petebklyn
why would you vent a microwave? or even how?
December 13, 2011 12:20 PM - CGar
"My renters also like to fry everything that moves in the kitchen."

Rats and roaches?
December 13, 2011 12:21 PM - Deleted
for sure benson!


December 13, 2011 12:22 PM - Deleted
Pete;

You don't need to vent a microwave. What we're talking about is that over-the-stove microwaves also have an exhaust fan function (for the stove heat/fumes).
Edited at December 13, 2011 12:22 PM
December 13, 2011 12:23 PM - Deleted
i came across this for some reason while searching for PB&J pics. i don't even know what it means!!



December 13, 2011 12:25 PM - BoerumHillScott
Few comments while dropping in during the middle of a busy work day.

Other places I have lived have way over-used the term "luxury," both for apartments and houses.

I have a had a combination of over-stove microwaves and hoods that vented inside and outside.
I cook a decent bit and never really noticed a difference between the various combinations.

I love having an over-stove microwave. The only thing better is having one built into the the cabinets, but NYC kitchens rarely have the room. I use the microwave a lot, so I want it accessible, and I cook a lot, so I don't want to give up counter space for a bulky appliance.

Eggshell paint is not that great when you have a child, because it does not clean as well. In addition, it is a bad idea for any horizontal window ledges for similar reasons. The paint is probably the biggest complaint I have about my apartment (A condo we are renting from the owner, who lived in the unit before we moved in)
Edited at December 13, 2011 12:25 PM
December 13, 2011 12:27 PM - Slopefarm
OK, some of us get bored at work, but dh, you are on a two week real vacation. You dont' have to worry about all the work piling up at the office you are not going back to, and you haven't started the new gig. Googling pics of PB&J sabndwiches is really how you want to spend this time???
December 13, 2011 12:28 PM - Legion
CGar,

ewww, no!

but fried peanut butter and jelly sandwiches? yes! Even those.
Edited at December 13, 2011 12:28 PM
December 13, 2011 12:28 PM - petebklyn
we hide our microwaves. don't want anyone to know we have one.
December 13, 2011 12:29 PM - petebklyn
so where is donatella?
December 13, 2011 12:31 PM - ij
In my old apartment I used to keep the microwave on the floor under my dining room table, I used it so seldom. Now I have one on the counter and use it a lot.

Just ate lunch at our catered office holiday party. Life is good.
Edited at December 13, 2011 12:31 PM
December 13, 2011 12:38 PM - Deleted
haha slopey, i've been awake for less than 3 hours! i'll get around to not being a loser today at some point!
Edited at December 13, 2011 12:38 PM
December 13, 2011 12:38 PM - Arkady
My ex-bf designed the apartments. He's a chef & owned a restaurant & really believes in decent venting. The oven hood has an industrial-grade exhaust fan & the vent goes up 2 floors to the roof - really does a good job.
December 13, 2011 12:39 PM - Arkady
Similar set-up for the washer/dryers.
December 13, 2011 12:45 PM - petebklyn
I only use the vent when I have too much gas.
December 13, 2011 12:46 PM - Deleted
It's good that we "returned to our roots" and talked about real estate today. That's it for me for today - going up to Ottawa. I'll be at the party at around 8.30, as I'll be flying back that day. See you then.
December 13, 2011 12:48 PM - BoerumHillScott
Have a safe journey.
December 13, 2011 12:48 PM - DeLepp
safe flight, have a Labatt blue.
December 13, 2011 12:49 PM - ij
Have a good trip, Benson.
December 13, 2011 12:51 PM - petebklyn
Ottawa ---hmm trying to think of good pun for Ottawa. as a send-off for benson.
December 13, 2011 12:55 PM - ij
"hmm trying to think of good pun for Ottawa. as a send-off for benson."

Benson will have Nunavut.
December 13, 2011 12:59 PM - lechacal
"no pets, no smokers, no sex. those are my rules."

And I thought I was a picky dater.
December 13, 2011 12:59 PM - Arkady
There's nottawa to use it.
Edited at December 13, 2011 12:59 PM
December 13, 2011 1:06 PM - lechacal
Can you all please change your avatars? The old ones are getting boring.

**THE SLOPEFEDERACY WILL RISE AGAIN**
December 13, 2011 1:08 PM - Slopefarm
"hmm trying to think of good pun for Ottawa. as a send-off for benson."

"Benson will have Nunavut."

Yukon think of one? Me neither. Besides, I'm not so Inuit, today.

Edited at December 13, 2011 1:08 PM
December 13, 2011 1:09 PM - BoerumHillScott
I'm not in the mood to get into a full fledged debate over the flag issue, but can I respectfully ask you to change that avatar?


December 13, 2011 1:10 PM - BoerumHillScott
Thanks.

Now back to ignoring all you jerks and off to focus on work again.
December 13, 2011 1:10 PM - Deleted
i feel bad for my neighbors they have a baby that cries alot
December 13, 2011 1:10 PM - lechacal
"can I respectfully ask you to change that avatar?"

Sigh... OK fine. Whatever.

Edited at December 13, 2011 1:10 PM
December 13, 2011 1:11 PM - lechacal
Jocelyn Wildenstien supports the Slopefederacy.
December 13, 2011 1:18 PM - ij
I'm going to the Meadow tonight after work to get some gifts for my sisters-in-law. I love walking around the West Village near Christmastime, when it's dark out early and the cold weather has arrived.
Edited at December 13, 2011 1:18 PM
December 13, 2011 1:18 PM - Slopefarm
"**THE SLOPEFEDERACY WILL RISE AGAIN**"

In all seriousness, I am in no mood for warfare with the neighbors on my northern border, but we have sort of seceded from the Slope proper. Southside Coffee, Lot2, Greenwood CSA, Bars Toto and Tano, Steinhof, Thistle Hill, Brookvin, Antony's, Athena, Armory instead of 9th St. Y, Grab, Ten, SideCar, etc., plus HD, Lowe's, excellent tea and coffee at 4th Ave/10th-11th st (can't remember the name of the place but it's good) and the Mexicans who fix tire flats at 3rd Ave & 10th Street, we just don't do much in the prime Slope any more. And we have not even been to Sweet Wolf's, Soigne or the new Italian place that opened on our corner. If anything, the invasion seems to be coming from the north slope -- they are taking over our restaurants and cafes. Pretty soon I expect to see Greenwood Heights Vicinity -- 11th Street" in RE ads; now those would be fighting words.

Edited at December 13, 2011 1:18 PM
December 13, 2011 1:18 PM - DeLepp
isn't there a covenant about cruel and unusual punishment on the ot?
December 13, 2011 1:23 PM - DeadCatBounce
"isn't there a covenant about cruel and unusual punishment on the ot?"
Not since BSM stopped posting.
Edited at December 13, 2011 1:23 PM
December 13, 2011 1:23 PM - Deleted
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Edited at December 13, 2011 1:23 PM
December 13, 2011 1:28 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
gah change the avatar lech. some of us are at work! oh i wound up getting my secret santa gift! a giftcard for itunes, but i dont have an ipod :( can you download songs to non apple MP3 players?

*rob*

Edited at December 13, 2011 1:28 PM
December 13, 2011 1:32 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
i feel bad for my neighbors they have a baby that cries alot

report them anonymously to the division of youth and family services., they deal with child abuse cases, and having williamsburg parents is definitely child abuse in my book.

*rob*

December 13, 2011 1:36 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
SWEEEEEET. a coworker is giving me her old pink ipod!! it's a merry christmas afterall!

*rob*

December 13, 2011 1:46 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
hello? did Jocelyn turn everyone to stone?

*rob*

December 13, 2011 1:58 PM - rf
Just back from Long Island, where I shopped for my charity gifts.

CGar, why are you so nasty to me?
December 13, 2011 2:03 PM - CGar
rf, it was a joke, and it was directed as much to dave as to you, so lighten up.

December 13, 2011 2:04 PM - Slopefarm
rf -- I had to go back and read CGar's post because I had remembered it the other way, that he dibs negating everything you said, not vice versa.
My memory was wrong, so you ask a fair question.

And yeah, jackal, change the avatar. I hear slope troops, north and south, are outraged and are joining forces and marching on Irvington. Big regiment from the co-op armed with organic everything for your kids!!!




December 13, 2011 2:05 PM - Slopefarm
OK, just read CGar's response. Yeah, I took it that way, too. You could just as easily reverse who is saying what.
December 13, 2011 2:07 PM - dibs
Iran threatening to hold drills to close the Straits of Hormuz. I think if they do this, we should retaliate. These people are really not sane
Edited at December 13, 2011 2:07 PM
December 13, 2011 2:09 PM - Deleted
War with Iran? What would that do for govt spending?!?!
December 13, 2011 2:11 PM - CGar
Thanks, Slopey, but I'm well known for being one of the nastier people in the OT. I'll go back to not posting again so I won't dare offend anyone.
December 13, 2011 2:13 PM - Slopefarm
"I'll go back to not posting again so I won't dare offend anyone."

At least you won't be pandhandling.
Edited at December 13, 2011 2:13 PM
December 13, 2011 2:20 PM - rf
DIBS, last week someone was renting an apartment in the Graham Home for Old Ladies building in Clinton Hill, a high-end renovated building, now condo. Would you be interested in something like that? I can dig up the post and send it to you. It is literally steps from the Clinton Washington stop on the G, and just a couple of blocks from the C--main entrance on Washington just north of Lafayette, overlooking the playground. No longer ghetto there!
December 13, 2011 2:22 PM - rf
Lechacal, in brownstone Brooklyn, going toward the ghetto of Bed-Stuy/Crown Heights, prices are rising, slowly. I'd say they are very close to the peak if not past it.
Edited at December 13, 2011 2:22 PM
December 13, 2011 2:23 PM - dibs
rf, if I had to rent in a high rise I'd go back to Manhattan
December 13, 2011 2:23 PM - rf
I never caught up. Oh well. Off to Manhattan Grand Optical to get fancy glasses for daughter--her requested Chanukah gift!
December 13, 2011 2:24 PM - rf
Dave, it's not a high rise. 4 or 6 stores, I forget which. I'm sure M4L knows.
December 13, 2011 2:25 PM - rf
quote:
a city of nothing but new arrivals consisting of immigrants and moonfaces is not sustainable (i hate that fucking word). at the very least, it's economic suicide.

*rob*


Rob, that's what NYC has always been.
December 13, 2011 2:26 PM - dibs
Even worse. i want a brownstone duplex. other than that I'd go back to a high rise, in manhattan
December 13, 2011 2:26 PM - DeLepp
graham home for old ladies is quite nice, no detail yet but i doubt you want the remains of when it was a whore/flop house in the 80s. has a terrific front yard
December 13, 2011 2:26 PM - rf
Cgar, that's what you say, DIBS says, Benson says, but the joke is always on me.

I guess you don't want ladies on the OT.
December 13, 2011 2:28 PM - Slopefarm
"Rob, that's what NYC has always been." Yes, since at least 1625. In fact, if you had rowed up to the shores of what is now Brooklyn then and encountered a Kanarsee chief, I have a pretty good idea of the adjective he would use to describe you. You might find it familiar.

December 13, 2011 2:31 PM - dibs
rf, it was a joke. Try and learn the difference between sarcasm and a real discussion here. it's not difficult. And no one here doesn't not want anyone else.
Edited at December 13, 2011 2:31 PM
December 13, 2011 2:35 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Posting from. Gadget. Test.
December 13, 2011 2:35 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
lol @ the irony of dave living in an old age home for ladies

*rob*

December 13, 2011 2:35 PM - Slopefarm
"And no one here doesn't not want anyone else."

dibs, I think you just wrote that everyone wants everyone else to leave the blog. Any thoughts, arkady?
December 13, 2011 2:36 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Oh well, this is a. PITA. Nevermind.
December 13, 2011 2:37 PM - dibs
I wrote it quickly, slopey. You know what i meant.

And rob, in the words of rf, Fuck you.
December 13, 2011 2:38 PM - dibs
What's a Gadget??? is that like a Widget???
December 13, 2011 2:40 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
No, widget is a cat, this is a phone.
December 13, 2011 2:40 PM - ij
Everyone relax with some easy listening:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq6YmSVAOG8
Edited at December 13, 2011 2:40 PM
December 13, 2011 2:41 PM - dibs
LOL at old Bee Gees
December 13, 2011 2:41 PM - Slopefarm
"What's a Gadget???"

IT LOOKS COMMA DIBS COMMA LIKE SHE'S TRYING TO USE A TELEGRAPH STOP
Edited at December 13, 2011 2:41 PM
December 13, 2011 2:43 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
But it's not as easy to post with this, you'l all just have to wait to read my pearls of wisdom. : P
Edited at December 13, 2011 2:43 PM
December 13, 2011 2:45 PM - lechacal
hahahha aaaahhhaa ha hahahaha ha ha hah ahahahahaha omg omg omg so funny my sides hurt

http://abovethelaw.com/2011/12/quote-of-the-day-wait-who-should-we-call/#more-119134
December 13, 2011 2:45 PM - Deleted
you should put your pearls of wisdom on a necklace!
December 13, 2011 2:47 PM - ij
Ryan Gosling on the Park Slope Coop debate:
Edited at December 13, 2011 2:47 PM
December 13, 2011 2:47 PM - dibs
I enjoy an occasional pearl necklace, myself.
December 13, 2011 2:48 PM - Deleted
ryan gosling is such a tool.
December 13, 2011 2:49 PM - CGar
cobble.

[Don't mind me, as I'm not really here]
December 13, 2011 2:50 PM - CGar
^^^ How are you feeling, cobble?

[Still not here. Really.]
December 13, 2011 2:53 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
pretty much ALL professional actors are tools

*rob*

Edited at December 13, 2011 2:53 PM
December 13, 2011 3:09 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
CGar. (ah, this is better, on a laptop now vs. my telegraph. : P )

Not feeling great, frankly, but thank you for asking. I want to go home to sleep now.
December 13, 2011 3:10 PM - Slopefarm
Trump won't moderate the debate after all. But not, he says, because only Newt G and Rick S are showing up. Instead, he says he hasn't ruled out a 3rd party run if he doesn't think the GOP winner can beat Obama and moderating a GOP debate would set up a potential conflict of interest down the road. Trump's ego is so inflated we should frack him -- we could power the country for centuries.
December 13, 2011 3:12 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
"Trump's ego is so inflated we should frack him -- we could power the country for centuries."

Snort! He's such a jackass, he might be our Chief Jackass. : P
December 13, 2011 3:13 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Gotta run, bye-bye.
Edited at December 13, 2011 3:13 PM
December 13, 2011 3:36 PM - DeadCatBounce
Senator Stabenow on MF Global: “MF Global didn’t keep their books with feather quills and dusty ledgers."
All the execs are saying they don't know anything. The irony is, even if this was true, which is preposterous, under the law they are guilty anyway.
If there is not some hard jail time for these crooks, I'm gonna OWS!!!
Edited at December 13, 2011 3:36 PM
December 13, 2011 3:43 PM - Deleted
MF Global will get the hammer dropped on them as a proxy for no one being charged in 2008 (except Madoff, but the people still want blood)
Edited at December 13, 2011 3:43 PM
December 13, 2011 4:03 PM - DeadCatBounce
As the truth about MF Global starts to come out, the corruption and problems are going to be even worse.
Those clowns are still hiding something, beyond the $1.2B, otherwise somebody would have talked already.
December 13, 2011 4:45 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Aside from MF Global, how many more of these thieves are hiding in the reeds/have yet to be revealed?
December 13, 2011 4:51 PM - DeLepp
mf global is mind boggling, you're lucky to be part of a self regulating industry and then a firm does something like this, I bet many folks are looking to scalp their heads.
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December 13, 2011 5:05 PM - CGar
Tell me why the Senate Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry Committee is holding the MF Global hearings???
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December 13, 2011 5:13 PM - dibs
Just got furnace serviced. One Asian guy and one Latino. What more could I have asked for???
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December 13, 2011 5:15 PM - Arkady
I might want a little expertise in the mix. Did they find anything wrong?
December 13, 2011 5:15 PM - CGar
. . . a thug, too, I suppose.
December 13, 2011 5:17 PM - dibs
No. It needed a good cleaning but everything checked out fine. Replaced one coupling. $212.00
December 13, 2011 5:18 PM - dibs
Filters were quite dirty for one year old.
December 13, 2011 5:21 PM - Arkady
I change mine every 3 months! (Partly because of cats.)
Was it a human or electrical coupling?
December 13, 2011 5:22 PM - DeLepp
The mexican will be handled tonight!
December 13, 2011 5:41 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
"Tell me why the Senate Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry Committee is holding the MF Global hearings?"

Good question!
December 13, 2011 5:44 PM - DeLepp
"the Senate Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry Committee"
No one knows they exist and it's good to get cheap publicity. Plus lots of farmers do not have access to their funds because it's MIA.
December 13, 2011 5:45 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Snort! Yes, I read about the farmers, but WHY mostly farmers? Were they the chief investors? And why?
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December 13, 2011 5:49 PM - DeLepp
mf global was a commodity broker, their way into market. MF bet on euro treasury was side bet by big shots at firm with "prop" cash.
December 13, 2011 5:57 PM - rf
Back from Chinatown. It's really funny to go down Mott St. with virtually all Chinese people, then up Mulberry, parallel block (bet. Hester and Grand), virtually all white people. Kid picked out very cool glasses. When I told her about DIBS' tortoiseshells, she decided she wanted solid color. Of course she wears her contacts at least 14 hours a day, but her old glasses were very, very old.
December 13, 2011 6:00 PM - DeadCatBounce
Farmers attempt to hedge their crops ahead of time, locking in future prices and lowering their risks.
Other commodity producers, such as mines do the same.
December 13, 2011 6:59 PM - lechacal
Ag has jurisdiction over commodities.
December 13, 2011 7:02 PM - lechacal
The turf war between the SEC and CFTC is mirrored by a similar situation between banking and ag committees.
December 13, 2011 7:04 PM - lechacal
Euro getting very close to being back in the 1.20s.
December 13, 2011 7:19 PM - Arkady
Celebrations!!! One of the kids I mentor just got early acceptance to Brown!!! Yippeeee!!
December 13, 2011 8:15 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
that's awesome!!! make sure to mentor that about not majoring in something stupid and taking out any student loans.

*rob*

December 13, 2011 8:57 PM - rf
Arkady, congratulations to your mentee, and to you too! That is great news.
December 13, 2011 10:43 PM - ij
Unexpurgated email from my twin brother from two hours ago:

"Hope she wore something good. Like a skirt with those dark leggings - I love chicks with thin legs wearing them. Give me those 23-year-old upper middle class girls any day. Every day on the metro there's a bunch of them.

I actually think I might like the ballet more. Those opera plots make me groan. "We'll live happily ever after - if only my letter reaches my lover in time to make the last train out of town! Oh no, she didn't write back! Guess I'll kill myself!" Meanwhile, the letter is stuck with the dimwitted mailman, and she kills herself too. Give me a break. Or they meet and instantly fall in love, then it's supposed to be so "tragic" when they break up. Yeah right. La Boheme is one of the few that actually has an emotional wallop.

Proust was always talking about these French court authors, so I've been browsing them. Saint-Simon's Memoirs of the Court of Louis XIV, for example. Pretty interesting stuff. They should make an I, Claudius style miniseries with all that."
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December 13, 2011 11:17 PM - ij
Worst movie in the history of time (press your ear to the OT and hear the collapse of Western Civilization as I type this) is The Chase with Charlie Sheen and Kristy Swanson. They're playing it ironically (I guess? hope?) at my local right now. America had it good! Now let's sit back and watch Brazil and China go at it. While we self-amuse ourselves to death.