Friday Open Thread
December 2, 2011 7:03 AM - BoerumHillScott

365 comments
December 2, 2011 7:06 AM - wendybear1
Good morning, Losers. I hope everyone has a good Friday. It's been a long week for me, so I'm happy to see Friday here!

Interesting picture, Scott!

Off to work!
Edited at December 2, 2011 7:05 AM
#1
December 2, 2011 8:01 AM - dibs
GM

I'll refrain from posting ANYTHING ( at least until later) the least bit controversial or political lest we lose even more posters. Jackasses.
Edited at December 2, 2011 8:01 AM
#2
December 2, 2011 8:04 AM - BoerumHillScott
If you don't post anything controversial, I am leaving!!!

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#3
December 2, 2011 8:10 AM - BoerumHillScott
I'm not sure where exactly the picture of the day was taken from.

The file name implies it is between Hudson Ave and Navy Street, two parallel streets mostly destroyed by Long Island University, University Towers, and Ingersoll Houses, BQE ramps, and Faragut Houses.
Edited at December 2, 2011 8:10 AM
#4
December 2, 2011 8:23 AM - dibs
I'll find something, Scott.
Edited at December 2, 2011 8:25 AM
#5
December 2, 2011 8:28 AM - dibs
A close above 1250 on the S&P will trigger a rush of “buy stops.”
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#6
December 2, 2011 8:41 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
GM

La la la la la, I can't hear you! (There, that was almost as childish.)
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#7
December 2, 2011 8:47 AM - More4Less
thank god the Rangers look great - ie as the football teams are wavering
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#8
December 2, 2011 8:47 AM - dibs
Almost????
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#9
December 2, 2011 8:49 AM - dibs
In the most recent Rasmussen Report’s
survey of one thousand “likely voters” taken late last week
has Gingrich actually leading President Obama 45%-
43%. In a similar survey the week previous, Mr. Gingrich
trailed the President 46%-40% and two weeks ago he was
behind 50%-38%.

Discuss.
Edited at December 2, 2011 8:49 AM
#10
December 2, 2011 8:51 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
You're right, DIBS. I should have tried harder!

Here — I'm rubber, you're glue...: P
Edited at December 2, 2011 8:51 AM
#11
December 2, 2011 8:51 AM - dibs
A bit early for the personal attack, don't you think. Cobble????
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#12
December 2, 2011 8:52 AM - BoerumHillScott
The polls have been so all over the place this year, I really don't know what to make of it.

I don't think we will have a good idea of how the race will shape up until there is a clear GOP nominee and more state by state polls compare that nominee to Obama.
Edited at December 2, 2011 8:52 AM
#13
December 2, 2011 8:54 AM - dibs
True, Scott. i just thought I'd chum the waters at least a bit with factual items before I launch into more opinionated stuff.
Edited at December 2, 2011 8:55 AM
#14
December 2, 2011 8:55 AM - rf
Unemployment rate dropped to 8.6%.
#15
December 2, 2011 8:57 AM - lechacal
"Unemployment rate dropped to 8.6%."

I know, it's amazing how quickly the country turns around when Newt Gingrich re-asserts himself.
Edited at December 2, 2011 8:57 AM
#16
December 2, 2011 8:59 AM - dibs
Lech, those sort of opinionated comments are why we lose people like Minard & randi.
Edited at December 2, 2011 8:59 AM
#17
December 2, 2011 9:03 AM - lechacal
So my wife is spending the weekend in the city with a couple of friends. One of her girlfriends just broke off an engagement so the other two are consoling her with a girl's weekend. I have the kids all weekend, which I'm looking forward to. I pretty much assume the girls will have a bunch of male strippers in the hotel room by 8 pm on the first night.
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#18
December 2, 2011 9:05 AM - dibs
Will you chastise her if she come home with glitter in her hair???
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#19
December 2, 2011 9:07 AM - lechacal
That would be pretty hypocritical, wouldn't it?
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#20
December 2, 2011 9:08 AM - More4Less
Lech, will you be working on the electro device with the kids or something more zzzzzzzzzzzz and less dangerous?
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:07 AM
#21
December 2, 2011 9:11 AM - lechacal
I'll play in the basement when the kids are asleep. I was thinking of doing a claymation with them tomorrow, maybe a hike in the Rockefeller preserve. I can't take them up to the land in Mass because it's shotgun season.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:11 AM
#22
December 2, 2011 9:13 AM - lechacal
Oooohhhh maybe a hike up Bear Mountain.

Or to that huge outdoor sculpture park.... called.... called.... Storm King I think.
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#23
December 2, 2011 9:15 AM - lechacal
Bear Mountain looks great. I think I'll do that.
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#24
December 2, 2011 9:16 AM - DeLepp
lech, if going to bear mtn, a little further is the walkway
http://walkway.org/

hopefully none of kids are spooked by heights.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:15 AM
#25
December 2, 2011 9:17 AM - lechacal
That looks really cool slopey - thanks! I had never heard of that.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:17 AM
#26
December 2, 2011 9:17 AM - CGar
Storm King is great, jackal.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:17 AM
#27
December 2, 2011 9:18 AM - lechacal
Maybe even cap it off with a visit to FDR's house.

OK now I'm really excited about all of this.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:18 AM
#28
December 2, 2011 9:20 AM - More4Less
hello, my little birdie friend. I was asking about you the other day. your avatar looks a little stressed vs the happy go lucky one we see usually on Fridays
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:19 AM
#29
December 2, 2011 9:23 AM - More4Less
Lech, your youngest can handle all this hiking in a day?
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#30
December 2, 2011 9:28 AM - rf
This afternoon my daughter is going on the Brooklyn Tech sophomore-junior weekend trip to Pinegrove, the dude ranch. Better steer clear, Lech!
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:28 AM
#31
December 2, 2011 9:33 AM - Deleted
I'm leaving this blog!! If I wanted to hear about people's plans for the weekend with their kid, I would have joined Park Slope Parents.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:33 AM
#32
December 2, 2011 9:36 AM - More4Less
Benson, you forgot the "Fuck You" in your above post - ie didn't see it in the openning or closing portion of the post
#33
December 2, 2011 9:37 AM - dibs
I've never heard benson say "Fuck you." he's too classy for that. rf, on the other hand......
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:37 AM
#34
December 2, 2011 9:37 AM - Deleted
M4L, oh yes, quite right!! I forgot the protocol for dramatic blogicides!!!
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:37 AM
#35
December 2, 2011 9:38 AM - dibs
I'm in love with this wallpaper for my dining room in P-Town. Can we discuss things like that here without someone leaving?????
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:39 AM
#38
December 2, 2011 9:38 AM - lechacal
M4L, the youngest would be on my back in a hiking backpack for the difficult parts.
#36
December 2, 2011 9:38 AM - Arkady
Rick Perry's doing a funny ad making light of his stumbles. Closes it w/, "I'm Rick Perry and... What's that next line?" "Oh, yeah, and I approved this ad."
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:38 AM
#37
December 2, 2011 9:40 AM - More4Less
Rick Perry got defeated by the man in the mirror - ie shot off too many of own toes
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:40 AM
#39
December 2, 2011 9:40 AM - ij
Andreas Scholl is singing in a Handel opera and they're simulcasting it in several theaters tomorrow afternoon. I recently discovered him and he's the best.

Then tomorrow night my favorite singer is playing on the UWS. My weekend has planned itself.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:40 AM
#40
December 2, 2011 9:41 AM - dibs
Why does Perry continue to spend money when he's out??? bachman and Paul for that matter and, of course Santorum; who never had a snowball's chance in hell I don't understand the logic??????
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:41 AM
#41
December 2, 2011 9:41 AM - Arkady
I don't like it, dibs.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:41 AM
#42
December 2, 2011 9:44 AM - lechacal
You know what would be awesome? Some really intense race / class / political warfare, all day long, with a bunch of blogacides mixed in. I think the following piece is probably the most effective instigator of race / class / political warfare that has ever, ever, ever, in the entire history of the human race, been produced.

After you all watch this, I think *rob* should make some opening remarks:

http://nation.foxnews.com/homelessness/2011/12/01/homeless-lady-15-kids-somebody-needs-pay-all-my-children

Homeless black woman with 15 children, being interviewed by Fox News after being evicted by a white woman: "somebody needs to pay for all my children... somebody needs to be held accountable."

I've got plenty of popcorn. And daggers.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:44 AM
#43
December 2, 2011 9:44 AM - BoerumHillScott
I think Paul does it out of habit - he's run for president so many times he forgot how to not run.
I'm guessing Bachman is doing it to keep her name in the spotlight - she seems to thrive on attention.
Santorum was probably told by God to keep running.

Not sure about Perry.
He has been really disappointing how he flamed out.
I was pretty sure that with that much experience he would know how to run a campaign.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:44 AM
#44
December 2, 2011 9:44 AM - More4Less
DIBS, was this wallpaper idea something that got triggered after Benson gave you GOTD for that dining room pic you posted last time?
#45
December 2, 2011 9:46 AM - rf
In a talk at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg said: “If I had the ability to just design the system and say ex cathedra this is what we’re going to do you would cut the number of teachers in half and weed out all the bad ones. And double the class size with a better teacher is a good deal for the students."
http://www.nytimes.com/schoolbook/2011/12/02/bloomberg-says-large-classes-are-fine-by-him/?hp
Hmm, wonder how they would fit 68 kids in my daughter's AP Chemistry lab and class. Or 64 in her 5th grade class.

Edited at December 2, 2011 9:46 AM
#46
December 2, 2011 9:47 AM - Deleted
DIBS;

Newt appeared to be out of the running a couple of months ago. Remember that a big portion of his campaign staff quit? It's not over till the fat lady sings.....

BTW: Last weekend I caught the foreign policy debate. Newt hit it out of the park with his remarks on unleashing enhanced domestic energy exploration. As he said, it's a win-win-win: a) kick-start economy; b) reduce trade deficit and c) reduce dependency on unstable regions.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:46 AM
#47
December 2, 2011 9:47 AM - More4Less
Romney shouldn't even spend any more money as he can win primary just by letting these other candidates implode.
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#48
December 2, 2011 9:47 AM - BoerumHillScott
I hate all wallpaper, and demand that picture be removed.

Our first house needed a lot of work, and we were young, naive, and stupid enough to think that we could do it.
We hung wallpaper ourselves over much of the house, and by the time it was done I absolutely hated wallpaper.
We moved out of that house 12 years ago, and I still hate it.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:47 AM
#49
December 2, 2011 9:48 AM - Deleted
I have to leave now. Can those who will be committing blogicides please wait till lunchtime, when I'll be back?
#50
December 2, 2011 9:49 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
Jackasses.
#51
December 2, 2011 9:49 AM - dibs
Scott, that paper needs to be hung by a professional as it's not trimmed or prepasted. I can manage a good job with the trimmed and prepasted stuff otherwise.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:49 AM
#52
December 2, 2011 9:54 AM - BoerumHillScott
I think Perry has a chance if the stars line up right and he keeps his mouth shut.

On the topic of domestic drilling, I am in favor of maintaining the status quo by opening up enough new areas to keep our domestic output more or less constant.
Let other countries use up their reserves by selling them to us, and once they start to dry out in a couple of decades, we will be sitting on plenty of reserves here to make the painful transition into a less abundant oil economy easier.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:54 AM
#53
December 2, 2011 9:54 AM - More4Less
DIBS, what's the pricing on such fancy wallpaper - including the installation? have been fancying putting wallpaper onto dining area wall for some WOW vs just an accent color
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#54
December 2, 2011 9:54 AM - lechacal
DIBS, I take back what I said yesterday about you not really being all that gay. Being into wallpaper is pretty gay.
#55
December 2, 2011 9:56 AM - dibs
"Let other countries use up their reserves by selling them to us, and once they start to dry out in a couple of decades, we will be sitting on plenty of reserves here to make the painful transition into a less abundant oil economy easier."

You think if a Democrat is in power we'd be allowed to drill even then??? that's very naive thinking. MORON
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#56
December 2, 2011 9:56 AM - BoerumHillScott
The wallpaper we hung was not prepasted.
We used five gallon buckets of wallpaper glue, which looks remarkably similar to a certain male liquid.

I also learned on that house that neither of us have a natural knack for anything beyond the most basic home repair activities.
Since then, we have largely relied on professionals.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:56 AM
#57
December 2, 2011 9:57 AM - dibs
m4l, I emailed them for the price. It's hand block printed, fancy schmancy, historical and VERY expensive.

Here's the website....

http://www.adelphipaperhangings.com/about.html
#58
December 2, 2011 9:58 AM - dibs
Scott, when I want something really well hung I usually rely on a professional.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:58 AM
#59
December 2, 2011 9:59 AM - Arkady
dibs - Look at Osborne & Little. Really lovely stuff.
I papered once. Learned a few important things: knife has to be really, really sharp; wall has to be absolutely perfectly prepared; you have to hire a pro to do it.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:59 AM
#60
December 2, 2011 10:01 AM - dibs
Yes, Arkady, the sharp knife is a must. Also, yes, perfect walls...i could never wallpaper here in brooklyn.
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:01 AM
#61
December 2, 2011 10:02 AM - BoerumHillScott
"You think if a Democrat is in power we'd be allowed to drill even then??? that's very naive thinking."

I hope that enough Democrats in office then will understand the strategic importance of oil, and if not then they should be voted out at that time.

In the mean while, I think that higher oil prices are good for the long term future of the national and world economy because they provide an economic incentive to start researching and implementing alternatives.
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:02 AM
#62
December 2, 2011 10:02 AM - CGar
"you have to hire a pro to do it"

That's called "the Jewish approach".
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#63
December 2, 2011 10:05 AM - dibs
They just got back to me.....$390 per roll covering 50-55 sq ft...$1,950 just for the paper!!!!

I can scour the books and find something suitable for far less.
#64
December 2, 2011 10:07 AM - CGar
Even I don't pay a pro $400 per roll, no matter how desperate I am.
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:07 AM
#65
December 2, 2011 10:07 AM - Arkady
Daniel Yergin has a new book out on oil - The Quest:Energy, Security & the Remaking of the Modern World.
#66
December 2, 2011 10:08 AM - petebklyn
"it's shotgun season." --- is that when all those shotgun weddings happen? yeah, I'd be careful about bringing little girls to that territory too.
#67
December 2, 2011 10:08 AM - Arkady
That's worse that Larry Seabrook's $156. bagel!
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:08 AM
#68
December 2, 2011 10:10 AM - lechacal
DID NO ONE WATCH THE FOX NEWS PIECE?????? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE????? RACE / CLASS / POLITICAL WARFARE ALL DAY LONG!!!!!
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:10 AM
#69
December 2, 2011 10:10 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Homeless black woman with 15 children, being interviewed by Fox News after being evicted by a white woman: "somebody needs to pay for all my children... somebody needs to be held accountable."

wow it's like she's channelling my great-grandmother (who had 13 kids who lived and more who died!). droopy uteruses comes in all colors you know...

*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 10:10 AM
#70
December 2, 2011 10:11 AM - DeLepp
farrow and ball runs about $275 a roll.
http://us.farrow-ball.com/patterns/wallpaper/fcp-category/sub?resetFilters=true
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:11 AM
#71
December 2, 2011 10:13 AM - BoerumHillScott
I watched enough of that piece to get the idea.
My only comment is think of how many more of these situations we would have if the Republicans did not push through welfare reform in the 90's.

I'm not a big Gingrich fan, but I will give him full credit for that.

Edited at December 2, 2011 10:13 AM
#72
December 2, 2011 10:13 AM - petebklyn
FDR is too far from storm King. Samuel Morse house is closer (in P'keepsie) -- an inventor figure instead of a politician. And then could do walkway over the hudson bridge.
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:13 AM
#73
December 2, 2011 10:14 AM - dibs
Or maybe I'll leave the existing wallpaper and just change the color of the wainscoting. it's a gallardia floral print, same as in the living room. I have to build a door casing between the LR and the DR in order to change the wainscoting and casing color in the DR. Besides, I have drapes that match the wallpaper and don't want to go through all that expense as well. I want a more 18th C look to the room.

Is this too gay for this early in the morning???


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#74
December 2, 2011 10:15 AM - petebklyn
so what is tall bldg in background? w'burgh savings? I'm guessing myrtle avenue el also?
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:15 AM
#75
December 2, 2011 10:15 AM - dibs
Doesn't that woman know about birth control?????????????????????????????????????????????????
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:15 AM
#76
December 2, 2011 10:16 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
kate plus 8, the Duggars, Octomom... all white ladies with 10 plus kids, looking for free handouts (albeit in a different way.. still tacky tho).

*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 10:16 AM
#77
December 2, 2011 10:16 AM - Arkady
You may find that you stay so long at Storm King you won't need another activity.
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:16 AM
#78
December 2, 2011 10:18 AM - dibs
DeLepp, I like the BUMBLEBEE Pattern. It has to be something Federal looking. This color or the blue background. Something masculine (nh) or as masculine as a wallpaper discussion can be
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:19 AM
#79
December 2, 2011 10:20 AM - BoerumHillScott
I think the El is the 5th Avenue El, which ran down Hudson from Flatbush to Myrtle.

I looked at Google Streetview for the taller buildings in the background, and could not find them.
One guess would be the LIU building at DeKalb and Flatbush, which would work if the picture was taken on DeKalb at Navy/Rockland, looking toward Hudson and Flatbush.

Edited at December 2, 2011 10:19 AM
#80
December 2, 2011 10:23 AM - DeLepp
dibs, very federalist indeed. On the adelphia website I like the stuff starting in 1830.
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:23 AM
#81
December 2, 2011 10:24 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
EW it looks like there's bedbugs AND their eggs all over that pink wallpaper! i like a lot of wallpaper in that decorations blog

omg SKETCH!!!!!! some man just knocked on my door (we have bells btw. wtf?) claiming he was "from the office" and here to fix a leaky faucet. we do not have any leaky faucets here and my roommate would have mentioned it to me if so. he had the right apt number apparently,but i didnt feel comfortable letting him in. never seen him before.

*rob*

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#82
December 2, 2011 10:27 AM - Arkady
Getting a Napoleonic comlex, dibs?
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:27 AM
#83
December 2, 2011 10:29 AM - dibs
"Connecticut Light & Power, Northeast Utilities’ subsidiary, “was not prepared for an event of this size,” Witt Associates LLC said in a report commissioned by Connecticut Governor Dannel Malloy, a Democrat. The report assessing the utility’s response to the storm was issued today."

DUH
#84
December 2, 2011 10:29 AM - petebklyn
that woman very likely has serious mental health issues - the children called 'gifts from god', etc. So what in effort to try to punish or help the mother - how do we deal with the children?
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#85
December 2, 2011 10:30 AM - Arkady
It used to slay me every winter in London when we'd have 'brown outs' & the utility company would say, "Unanticipated conditions." Yeah, it's called winter.
#86
December 2, 2011 10:30 AM - BoerumHillScott
My gut feeling is that you help the children by taking them away from the mother and placing them in foster care.
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#87
December 2, 2011 10:31 AM - rf
Scott, how much do you know about foster care?
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#88
December 2, 2011 10:33 AM - Arkady
You need really straight (NH) corners for Regency Stripe-type wallpaper.
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#89
December 2, 2011 10:33 AM - dibs
I know a lot about Fosters.
#90
December 2, 2011 10:35 AM - dibs
Arkady, these walls are relatively new sheetrock. They are straight and in excellent shape. I also have a small amount I want to paper in the Bucks LR..two walls (the other two are paneled) with 5 windows on them so VERY small square footage and a very easy job.
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:35 AM
#91
December 2, 2011 10:36 AM - petebklyn
that would bring up other issues.....how good is foster care especially in state like florida which not known for good social services? I'd think you'd have to evaluate on how kids are treated now, -- cleanliness, school attendance, etc, etc, etc. Certainly intervention is required.
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:36 AM
#92
December 2, 2011 10:38 AM - BoerumHillScott
I have a friend in Georgia who fostered two children, and recently went through the finalization process.

I understand that most children in foster care situations are not so lucky, but my initial reaction is that I don't think it serves the children well by staying with this particular mother either.

Obviously there is much more to the situation than a short clip can show, and I am not pretending that I am qualified to make any such decisions.
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:38 AM
#93
December 2, 2011 10:43 AM - petebklyn
then there are the legal/civil rights issues - of parents.
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#94
December 2, 2011 10:45 AM - Deleted
lech, you're an asshole!
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#95
December 2, 2011 10:45 AM - dibs
We were thinking of fostering Howard's brother "Sir" but don't think he'd get along with Ben. Besides, fostering a cat is the same as adopting it.

Here's Sir....

http://www.mainlinerescue.com/wp-content/themes/mlar/adopt-details.php?sid=214
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:45 AM
#96
December 2, 2011 10:54 AM - Arkady
Snappy used to foster cats that she didn't adopt. Must be really hard to let go.
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:54 AM
#97
December 2, 2011 10:56 AM - petebklyn
cover of ESPN magazine - quote from Ozzie Guillen -- I named by bulldog DH because he's lazy.

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#98
December 2, 2011 11:03 AM - lechacal
I actually know a lot about Foster's. When I lived in Australia I did some work with Foster's Group Limited. They have a bar on the ground floor of the global H.Q. that serves free product to employees. They actually have a huge wine operation - Beringer Blass and a bunch of other brands. And no one drinks Foster's in Australia, that's basically an international marketing gimmick. In Oz they drink Victoria Bitter, Crown Lager, etc. I once had the CEO of Foster's tell me all about how they developed Foster's into an international brand with their Oz-themed TV commercials.
Edited at December 2, 2011 11:03 AM
#99
December 2, 2011 11:04 AM - dibs
Pete...I thought of you last night (nh). there was a waitress at Saraghina with cotton leotards and a skimpy little thing above them that looks exactly what Peter pan would wear.

The entire ensemble was tragic.
Edited at December 2, 2011 11:04 AM
December 2, 2011 11:04 AM - petebklyn
I was watching tv other day - and on nbc or something saw StoopTalk with Cat Greenleaf...... I knew I recognized the houses/block in show (apparently they film it on her stoop)....so just looked up. On Wyckoff Street(couple houses down from Court)....and if you looks at google maps street view a picture of house people are sitting on stoop and looks like people filming.
Anyway - I thought that that was quite the coincidence
December 2, 2011 11:15 AM - Donatella
Visitor cat is back now that the backyard is free of leaves and other detritus.
Edited at December 2, 2011 11:15 AM
December 2, 2011 11:23 AM - rf
Do you think he's going to poop on your lawn furniture?
Edited at December 2, 2011 11:23 AM
December 2, 2011 11:30 AM - Donatella
No she just sheds. She poops by the tree. She considers the lawn furniture hers. The yard hers. I like the name of "Sir" for a male cat, btw.
Edited at December 2, 2011 11:30 AM
December 2, 2011 11:31 AM - More4Less
Pete, Cat got pretty sweet deal on that house too if my memory is any good
December 2, 2011 11:31 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
maybe i should look into becoming a foster parent. apparently you get paid to do it!!!! but they better be house trained and realize there's no free rides in this world! plus i could fire the dog walker and one of them could do it and ive people to play video games with. it'll be like a down-market version of Diff'rent Strokes!

*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 11:31 AM
December 2, 2011 11:34 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
I was watching tv other day - and on nbc or something saw StoopTalk with Cat Greenleaf......

ive seen a couple of segments of that. remember the phantom stoop pooper? the first thought that came to my mind was that her stoop needed a visit, stat..

*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 11:34 AM
December 2, 2011 11:36 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
there was a waitress at Saraghina with cotton leotards

LOL @ bed stuy's supposedly "nicer" restaurants having waitresses that dress like they just stumbled out of the trailer :-/

*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 11:36 AM
December 2, 2011 11:39 AM - dibs
I put my Christmas garland up around my door last night. Need to get a wreath this weekend.
December 2, 2011 11:40 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
hmmm sorry that was two negative posts in a row. anyway, on a positive note i shall be attacking (cleaning) the microwave today. something i totally forgot to do when i did the mass kitchen cleaning a while back. gross. how do you clean a microwave anyway? can i use kitchen fantastik and some brillo? looks like im gonna need brillo. it looks like world war II inside. blech


*rob*

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December 2, 2011 11:40 AM - Arkady
Real or fake, dibs?
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December 2, 2011 11:40 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
I put my Christmas garland up around my door last night. Need to get a wreath this weekend.

quite the metaphor there...

*rob*

December 2, 2011 11:41 AM - petebklyn
"I put my Christmas garland up " -- looks like DIBS drank extra gay fruit juice this morning.

m4l, I do kinda remember a very cheap price for that house---but was there some family connection with the sale?
December 2, 2011 11:42 AM - dibs
Fake garland, real wreath. I had a fake wreath last year but it either blew off in a storm or was stolen. i ordered a new one a few weeks ago but it never claim and now I have to file a claim with Amazon.
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December 2, 2011 11:43 AM - Arkady
Home Depot or Terminal Market, dibs.
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December 2, 2011 11:45 AM - ij
There are some very interesting films coming out this month. Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy looks totally awesome.

The Times listed their top five novels and one is set in Burlington, Vermont in the late 80s, except the name is changed to "Lintonburg." It's quite interesting to read since I went there soon after although the book is kind of passionless.
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December 2, 2011 11:46 AM - dibs
No car to get there, Arkady. I'll bring the wreath home from Bucks. Not sure where I will get a tree here in brooklyn this year. Seems they aren't selling them on lewis Ave. Not sure I need one anyway.
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December 2, 2011 11:48 AM - DeLepp
Getting our tree tomorrow. Looking forward to the hearty smell of winter.
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December 2, 2011 11:48 AM - ij
The guy who writes the Fifth Down Friday picks for the Times is hilarious! Read this:

"On top of all of their other woes, the Colts have the worst special teams in the N.F.L. Their punt returners average just 2.2 yards per return; factor in 14 fair catches, and that average drops to 1.3 yards. The primary return man, Blair White, is 2.06 yards tall, so he would be better off catching punts and falling straight forward than doing whatever he currently does."

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/02/week-13-matchups-we-dont-want-to-brag/
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December 2, 2011 11:49 AM - DeadCatBounce
I have a bi-partisan idea I have been testing on friends and colleagues:

Mandatory high school education in personal finance:
1. How to create and sustain a savings plan
2. How to invest - just the basics
3. How to create and follow a family budget
5. How to account for income and expenses
6. Appropriate and inappropriate uses for debt

So far, nobody has really been against the idea.
Some Democrats have said the Republicans will never go for it.
Some Republicans have said that the Democrats will never go for it.

The most disturbing answer from a few people has been "It won't do any good", ie it is not about knowledge, it is about "impulse control".
I strongly disagree. Knowledge makes all the difference!
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December 2, 2011 11:50 AM - Deleted
*Rob*

Do NOT use a brillo pad in the microwave. The metallic flakes could cause problems.

I am sure there must be some cleaner specifically for microwaves. I recommend going to a good hardware/housware store (like Tarzian) and asking them for advice on what to use.
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December 2, 2011 11:52 AM - dibs
I think it's a great idea but maybe high school is too early. Even in college, accounting and finance majors don't learn the basics of investing and money management.

But, it wouldn't hurt to start in HS with some basics.
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December 2, 2011 11:53 AM - Deleted
*Rob*

Another idea: use that sponge that has a scouring surface. I think they're called Doby pads. Any houseware store will have them. Once again: do NOT use a metallic pad in a microwave.
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December 2, 2011 11:53 AM - BoerumHillScott
When I was in high school, a semester of "Free Enterprise" was required to graduate.
The class was supposed to be a combo of personal finance and macroeconomics.
In my school, it was a complete joke.

I would strongly support a course that teaches economic life skills.
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December 2, 2011 11:54 AM - petebklyn
in the olden days there was a 'home economics' class. But I think the females just learned to cook and sew. But a course like you are suggesting - but also including home budgeting - as in shopping(economically ) and preparing (nutricious) food.
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December 2, 2011 11:54 AM - dibs
Last year I just used one of those cup hanger clasps for the wreath. this year I'll wire it to an eye hook so it won't be so easy to come off.

But I think the wreath has to be real, not fake. I'll also get the mantle garlands too...they need to be real as well.

Getting a tree in bucks this weekend. Anyone want to come down and then go for liquid lunch??????
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December 2, 2011 11:55 AM - Donatella

*rob* agree about the brillo. Not only can the metal flakes from the brillo cause the microwave energy to arc, you can take paint off the surfaces. To loosen stuff that is on the sides, put a bowl of water in the microwave and nuke it till it boils, then leave it in there for a few minutes. Water is one of nature's best solvents.
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December 2, 2011 11:55 AM - DeadCatBounce
Dave, I think that a lot of High School students graduate without even the most basic notion of how this stuff works. It's like they are lambs to the slaughter.
They immediately take on credit card debt, can't balance a checkbook, etc.
But they learned how to cook Turkey Tetrazzini in Home Ec class.
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December 2, 2011 11:55 AM - dibs
If the microwave is really nasty, use spray oven cleaner but use it with plastic gloves.
December 2, 2011 11:56 AM - BoerumHillScott
I think high school is appropriate, since you cover most of the population, and can give students the knowledge to avoid really stupid financial decisions in college.
Not sure that covering investing will help much at that time, but the rest will.
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December 2, 2011 11:56 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
DCB, once again, I approve of your list. Nevermind the Dems/Repub thing. Schools just need to get back to the basics. When I was in school ::insert cane wagging here:: we had to take an economics class and a home-economics class that taught those very things. We were assigned a 'job' that came with a specific income, a 'home' with specified ranges of expenses, etc. We had to learn how to budget for it all year long (was a year-long project). Some had kids, some didn't, there would be temptations thrown in like going out to dinner, dancing, movies, etc. and we had to be wise about it. Teacher would bring out things like popcorn/cookies/candy in class and if we wanted some, we had to use some of our "income" to pay for it. At the end of the month, our "bills" would come in and we had to pay them. It was fun to see who had enough $$$ for bills, rent, mortgage, etc. after partaking in all the 'fun stuff' offered.
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December 2, 2011 11:57 AM - BoerumHillScott
One easy trap that kids fall into is using their credit card to get cash from an ATM. They get killed on both immediate fees and high interest.

December 2, 2011 11:59 AM - ij
A lot of banks sponsor short programs for at-risk teens covering money management.
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December 2, 2011 12:00 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Mandatory high school education in personal finance:
1. How to create and sustain a savings plan
2. How to invest - just the basics
3. How to create and follow a family budget
5. How to account for income and expenses
6. Appropriate and inappropriate uses for debt

i TOTALLY agree with that. a lot of people argue, that that is the kind of things parents are supposed to teach their kids. but youd be SHOCKED how many do not (and im not just talking low income families either) there's a ton of kids who come from wealthy families (usually new money tho) who don't a lick about finances, and the stuff they do know is all bad information.

the impulse control issue you brought up tho shouldnt be taken likely cuz that is a big problem. i have studied (on my own) tons and tons and tons of stuff about finances and stuff, but im still always broke and other than donating 1% of my paycheck to my 401K i am still not doing anything else most people would deem financially responsible. there's sort of this wall.. hard to explain..

also remember some people are totally financially bipolar... they get just as much of a rush as they do when they are flat out broke that they get when they have some spending money. so yeah it's not just about learning the facts about financials, there are deep rooted psychology and physiological components to the issue as well.

*rob*

December 2, 2011 12:00 PM - rf
DCB, there haven't been cooking classes in high school for decades.
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December 2, 2011 12:00 PM - petebklyn
poor Gingrinch ---heeheeheehawhawhaw
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-02/gingrich-accepting-gore-invite-lands-on-love-seat-with-pelosi.html
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December 2, 2011 12:01 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
"DCB, there haven't been cooking classes in high school for decades."

HEY! YOU ARE MAKIN' ME FEEL OLD OVER HERE! lol
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December 2, 2011 12:03 PM - petebklyn
"Schools just need to get back to the basics. When I was in school ::insert cane wagging here:: we had to take an economics class and a home-economics class "---
that kind of talk is what makes you sound old.
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December 2, 2011 12:03 PM - BoerumHillScott
I think I had a one quarter home economics class in 7th or 8th grade.
My school (combined middle/high) had a big kitchen with over a dozen range/ovens, and an adjacent room with sewing tables that folded down from the walls.
That one class a day was the only time that stuff was used, the rest of the time it was a science room.
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December 2, 2011 12:04 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
oh thanks for the microwave tips. didnt even occur to me that brillo pads are metal for some reason. i think fantastik should get it out. it's just food stains, some are kinda caked on, but im sure with some elbow grease i can get it out.

*rob*

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December 2, 2011 12:04 PM - Arkady
Eton still teaches cooking skills.
rob - Don't even use a nylon scrubber in the zapper - it'll mar the surface. Do as Dona suggested & just keep repeating - use a soft sponge w/ a little dishwashing liquid after the grime is softened. Then rinse really thoroughly several times.
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December 2, 2011 12:05 PM - Deleted
DCB;

I'm not against your proposal, but I think it would have limited benefit. As the old saying goes: "THe fish rots from the head". Folks today are taking their cue from a government that a) has a tax code that favors consumption over savings, b) is addicted to spending and c) as a result, cannot live within its means.

Yesterday I told Scott that I supported the Republican's hard line on no new taxes, but I don't think I explained it well enough. There is a financial writer (I think his name is Michael Lewis) who has an essay out that characterizes the ethos of our time as that of "Adddiction". Like any addict, if you give them $1.00, they'll spend $1.20. Give them $1.20, they'll spend $1.50.

If people don't buy that idea, I call your attention to the fact that there has been a law on our books for something like 10 years which would cut the reimbursement rates for Medicare providers. It was enacted as part of a so-called "spending cut". Like night follows day, every year Congress passes a law pushing out its implementation by a year.

We need a new ethos that emphasizes thrift, and that will not happen until the people who make the rules of the game are forced to do so, when the American people go back to the values that made us great.
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December 2, 2011 12:06 PM - Arkady
I made a blouse & learned to cook popovers in 7th grade.
Snappy's half my age.
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December 2, 2011 12:06 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Scott, yeah, we had that. About 4 ovens/ranges, microwaves, diswashers, about 30 sewing machines, etc. Those were the good ole days. We also took a real shop/carpentry class in a super huge room outfitted with every tool imaginable.
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December 2, 2011 12:06 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
your home ec classroom doubled as a science classroom?! :-/ lol wtf. that's as fucked up as those schools where their GYM doubles as a CAFETERIA! (yes there are those schools. my grammer school was one for a few years!) talk about fungus burgers

*rob*

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December 2, 2011 12:07 PM - CGar
"Anyone want to come down and then go for liquid lunch??????"

Very tempting, but I prefer heat, indoor plumbing and a stink bug-free bed.
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December 2, 2011 12:08 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
In those classes I made a variety of foods, a pillow, a skirt, a pillow case, a trivet, a functioning clock, a book stand, a gumball machine and a few more things I can't recall. My mom still has the clock I made.
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December 2, 2011 12:08 PM - More4Less
Pete, recall that house sold for 840k or something and I was like "how the F did I miss that one; must be a unique deal of some sort". so a family deal of sorts would make a lot of sense.
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December 2, 2011 12:08 PM - lechacal
Yeah I support the basic finance education in high school. Add to that maybe a semester of fast food basic skills like cleaning out the fryolator, and then mandatory vocational training in plumbing, electrical work, woodworking, and metal shop. Fire 100% of English, Social Studies, Geography, etc. teachers so the only real academic curriculum left is math and science.

Then reform the state university system by just having people who want a diploma write a check to the state welfare fund and receive 100 bottles of hard liquor and a diploma, which is just a more efficient way of reaching the same result.

The only people who get real academic educations are the ones who go to private or charter high schools and Ivy League universities. We really don't need more than the top 1% to have educations like that anyways.
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December 2, 2011 12:09 PM - BoerumHillScott
We had 3 other science rooms, and the old home-ec room made sense for a 3rd since it already had sinks and plenty of space.
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December 2, 2011 12:10 PM - rf
I won't even bother to comment beyond "fuck you, Lechacal."
December 2, 2011 12:11 PM - Arkady
Literature, history & world culture classes function as mixers for a commonality of shared values.
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December 2, 2011 12:11 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Scott, the fun part of the science room was at the beginning of the year when we got to test out the emergency chemical burn shower. Good times.
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December 2, 2011 12:12 PM - ij
We made Swedish meatballs and got an A.
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December 2, 2011 12:12 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
i embrace thrift in some aspects of my life. my undewear, socks, and undershirts come from the dollar value stores. everything else i usually find free on the street or buy at salvation armies or just flat out wholeahay things from peoples closets if i like them. cut my own hair, get free soap samples everyday in the soap stores around where i work, only buy food on sale at associated, never go out to eat, bring my own drinks to bars, sell books that people discard to the strand. all that sacrifice to live in park slope, have a dog walker, and smoke newports lol.
yeah something is wrong with me, but i dont mind.


*rob*

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December 2, 2011 12:12 PM - More4Less
CGar, think you missed DIBS saying there'll be an Asian hottie there. you'll just have to roll dice and go to see if that hottie is a dude or dudette
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December 2, 2011 12:13 PM - rf
Arkady, my daughter's AP World History teacher is a self-proclaimed Communist. He has no American flag in his classroom and he pointedly sits down during the Pledge of Allegiance. Last year's history teacher was queer as a 3-dollar bill. (Both really good teachers, by the way.)
December 2, 2011 12:13 PM - lechacal
Becuase you know I'm right, rf. No point at all in having more than the top 1% have a foofy well rounded liberal arts education. Below that teach people how to use Excel (white collar) and fix plumbing (blue collar). Everything else is a pointless waste of society's resources.
December 2, 2011 12:14 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Do they still say the pledge at the beginning of the day anymore? When I taught, the school didn't do that. It was hard enough to get those fuckers to show up and stay away, let alone stand up and recite something that meant nothing to them anyway.
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December 2, 2011 12:14 PM - rf
Why should they know how to fix plumbing when they will be renters for life?
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December 2, 2011 12:15 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
::stay awake, not stay away::
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December 2, 2011 12:16 PM - lechacal
"Literature, history & world culture classes function as mixers for a commonality of shared values."

OMG that is soooo idealistic of you. No, shitty reality TV shows and malls do. That's the whole point. Only the 1% actually has those shared values, and you can force feed it to the rest of the people all you want but they're still going to spend their evenings scratching their fat asses while watching America's Top Model.
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December 2, 2011 12:17 PM - lechacal
"Why should they know how to fix plumbing when they will be renters for life?"

I bet you the average plumber owns his own home waaaaay sooner than the average English major. Way sooner. Ignoring people whose mommies buy them homes of course.
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December 2, 2011 12:17 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
hey now... im a renter for life and i fixed my own damn toilet a few months ago! when you have maintenance people do it they just expect tips and bigger christmas bonuses!


*rob*

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December 2, 2011 12:17 PM - ij
NYS Regents Final Exam, 2015, sole question:

"You want _____ with that?"


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December 2, 2011 12:18 PM - rf
At Brooklyn Tech they do it before 3rd period, followed by the daily announcements. I know my daughter never listens to the announcements; I get them via email and send her tidbits that may be important.
December 2, 2011 12:19 PM - rf
If every high school student learned to be a plumber, what do you think would happen to the wages of a plumber? Or would it defy the laws of supply and demand?
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December 2, 2011 12:19 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
I bet you the average plumber owns his own home waaaaay sooner than the average English major. Way sooner. Ignoring people whose mommies buy them homes of course.

soooooooooooooooo true. honestly tho, you couldnt pay me enough to have to work with poomist.

*rob*

December 2, 2011 12:21 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
OMG that is soooo idealistic of you. No, shitty reality TV shows and malls do. That's the whole point. Only the 1% actually has those shared values, and you can force feed it to the rest of the people all you want but they're still going to spend their evenings scratching their fat asses while watching America's Top Model.

LOL!! Tyra Banks > World History

*rob*

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December 2, 2011 12:22 PM - DeadCatBounce
"I'm not against your proposal, but I think it would have limited benefit. "
I believe that that is too negative view. Make tools available to people, and many will use them.

A large part of the conservative agenda is based on the concept that personal responsibility comes first. I agree with that, but if people in general are not prepared with basic knowledge, they can't be expected to get it right. Of course some will, but there are simple things that can be taught to young people that could make a huge difference over the course of their long futures.
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December 2, 2011 12:25 PM - Donatella
I never learned anything practical at any school I ever attended. I guess that is bad. My father taught me the basics of finance ("Daddy, how do checks work? Do you just write them and they give you money?" "haha, no otherwise I'd be writing checks all day".) I never learned how to cook, sew anything, manage handtools, plan a budget. Nothing. I learned home economics from my mother I guess.
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December 2, 2011 12:26 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Of course some will, but there are simple things that can be taught to young people that could make a huge difference over the course of their long futures.

the biggest one being birth control and condoms. but that flies out the door when people see their own parents getting free shit for having kids (regardless of how little that free shit actually is... it's still free shit). and when you grow up with zero work ethic and no father around chances are youre gonna grow and settle for the crumbs that are offered to you. liberal institutionalized racism at it's finest, sadly.

fyi im not a conversative, im a nihilist, but when things are so blaringly there, well, it doesnt hurt to say so

*rob*

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December 2, 2011 12:26 PM - Donatella
*rob* you replaced the handle on your toilet. Plumbing gets more complicated than that. Try replacing a waste line.
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December 2, 2011 12:27 PM - DeadCatBounce
Practical knowledge is WAY under rated.
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December 2, 2011 12:30 PM - Deleted
DCB;

I agree with what you say. Maybe I should say that I hope my assessment is wrong, and that teaching folks how to be responsible for themselves will have a positive impact. If it aids in a re-awakened appreciation of thrift, that would be its best merit.
December 2, 2011 12:31 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
donna please dont downplay my plumbing accomplishments!! aha

*rob*

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December 2, 2011 12:32 PM - Donatella
It probably is, but whatever practical knowledge I had I learned at home. I learned nothing at all of that nature at school. And the way I learned it at home was to ask questions. It didn't seem like they had an agenda to teach me anything; it was on an as needed basis for the running of our house or in response to my questions. When I left home, I learned the most from them by calling with questions on everything from home maintenance, finance and cooking.
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December 2, 2011 12:33 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
also for the part ALL kids are taught basic nutrition in school, but then you see them all buying chips and soda after AND before school (and honestly i am guilt of having done that as a kid too.. i pretty much spent my lunch money everyday on junkfood). in 4th grade i went months eating a tub of chocolate cake icing for lunch. wtf? lol @ the teachers in the lunchroom never even batting an eye at such a sight.

*rob*

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December 2, 2011 12:34 PM - Donatella
*rob* I didn't mean to do that. I was very impressed!!
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December 2, 2011 12:37 PM - lechacal
" I know my daughter never listens to the announcements; I get them via email and send her tidbits that may be important."

uh... ok


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December 2, 2011 12:39 PM - etson
Driver quotes from NY1's website version of the taxi refusal story. Not sure on the journalistic rules re quoting people verbatim when their English is not great but it looks weird in writing:

"Drivers who spoke with NY1 say they're being unfairly trapped.
"That's not fair. I never refuse anybody so I don't know what they have in their mind. If somebody come in my cab and we want to go to 5 borough I take them," said one driver.
"That's the problem is this. That when you come back you don't get any fare from there and the traffic is very jammed," said another."
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December 2, 2011 12:39 PM - BoerumHillScott
I think the idea of a high school "life skills" class would not be to prepare a kid for a trade, but give a general overview of the basics of how stuff works, and how to do stuff.

Some kids will find out they have a knack for certain things and consider pursuing it farther in a trade school, college, or other setting.

December 2, 2011 12:44 PM - DeLepp
Trigonometry taught what my limits were.
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December 2, 2011 12:44 PM - etson
I agree with some of what's above but if the focus is purely on practicality that knocks a lot of math and science out as well. Some science majors have high unemployment rates as well (e.g. botany / plant science is very high).


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December 2, 2011 12:45 PM - Donatella
Things it would have been nice to have learned in school...how to use basic tools. (learned ultimately from my father). Basic finance (learned in a helter skelter way). Sewing (learned something from one of my friends, basic hand sewing and repairs from my mother). Cooking (learned from my mother, grandmother and a lot when I moved out from friends, boyfriends).
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December 2, 2011 12:46 PM - etson
I had to do woodwork and home economics at school. Was terrible at both and they have never helped me in anything.
It's important & useful to have good plumbers, but a C-grade plumber isn't much use to anyone.
December 2, 2011 12:51 PM - Arkady
I learned to cook from the first Julia Child. My brother sent it to me for my 22nd bday w/ a note saying it was a choice between that or Joy of Sex but he figured if I didn't know that, being able to cook would do me more good.
December 2, 2011 12:51 PM - Donatella
John Hlad had a plumbing assistant, a very nice guy who was very interested in art. He loved calligraphy. We talked while he worked. I think it has to be tough to think about art when you are fixing pipes though.
December 2, 2011 12:52 PM - Donatella
lol Arkady
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December 2, 2011 12:53 PM - More4Less
corzine subpeona'd or will be to appear in front of congress. does that mean he'll HAVE TO answer or can he go with the usual self-incrimination response/shield? Hope they put some smart congress members to grill or embarass his ass.
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December 2, 2011 12:54 PM - DeLepp
hilarious arkady
December 2, 2011 12:55 PM - lechacal
"Trigonometry taught what my limits were."

You sure that wasn't calculus?
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December 2, 2011 12:57 PM - More4Less
not sure I can hack it - would like to have, in the futre, a shop / area (in garage or basement etc) to do some woodwork stuff. This of course is 3rd on the list of nice to have's - 1) w/d in the aptmt / house 2) garage
December 2, 2011 12:57 PM - rf
Trigonometry is much easier with graphing calculators than it was looking up and manipulating 4-digit numbers in the sine-cosine-tangent tables.
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December 2, 2011 12:59 PM - DeLepp
good one lech,
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December 2, 2011 1:00 PM - More4Less
only advance math class I like and can see practical use (as I had no plans to be a geeky engineer or scientist) was linear algebra. All the advance calc classes, thermo dynamics, etc were stuff I wondered how the F would I end up using that crap
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December 2, 2011 1:14 PM - More4Less
WTF man???? no one steps in to save me from getting a TK award?? BTW, who is in charge of making and handing them TK awards/trophies nowadays??
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December 2, 2011 1:27 PM - Deleted
I wonder if folks in the 19th century took classes in "How to provision a covered wagon for your trip West"?
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December 2, 2011 1:38 PM - Deleted
Looks like I took the TK award from M4L!
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December 2, 2011 1:40 PM - Donatella
In Kansas City, I lived close to the original outfitting center for covered wagon trips West and Northwest. It was Westport and the roads there are still really strange, following the original covered wagon paths.

I know Benson.....nothing to do with your point.
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December 2, 2011 1:49 PM - BoerumHillScott
quote:
I wonder if folks in the 19th century took classes in "How to provision a covered wagon for your trip West"?

Perhaps if they did, the mortality rates would not have been so high.
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December 2, 2011 1:51 PM - Deleted
Scott;

I think you missed the point.
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December 2, 2011 1:51 PM - More4Less
Benson, I just took it away from Donatella who took it from you
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December 2, 2011 1:51 PM - Donatella
ok have you guys seen the Department of Transportation's street-side Haiku signs? Some very snappy graphic signs with elegant Haiku to make various points about street safety. (can't say much good about the DOT but these are nice signs and poems anyway).

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/curbside-haiku-sample.pdf
December 2, 2011 2:00 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
things i learned in grammar school: (k-8th)
- nerdy kids help each other get more nerdy (in a good way)
- if youre in special ED, and mixed in with other classes, that SUCKS!
- teachers are, for the most part, really dumb and came from the bottom of the class...
- dont teach 6th - 8th graders in urban areas if your a 23 year old moonface (seriously) worst teacher i EVER had was a 23 year old moonface (tho she worked at the local pathmark at nights, so maybe not REALLY a moonface....) but anyway, she was AWFUL! AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL worst teacher i *EVER* had, except for that cokehead professor who gave my ONLY "C" in college (for a video class btw). this teacher in grammer school also fucked with my grades. again, ONLY 70's i got EVER growing up were in HER two stupid classes (english and reading). she had it out for the nerdy kids and made her quizzes and tests harder for them (shit you not) and the not so test smarty kids in class got easier tests. i nearly caused a scandal in my school exposing it, but i was shut up about it.

things i learned in high school
- diversity DOES work if it's not an in your face kumbaya forced type of thing. almost ZERO racial incidents in my high school.
- you can deny being gay as much as you want, but by 14, eh, everybody knows. might as well just roll with it (kinda wish i did)
- teachers HATE grade-grubbers. i wasnt technically one, but i did try a few times to get a few extra points here and there.
- guidance counselors are about as useless as can be for a profession. maybe in a small school, but in large urban schools they pretty much only cater to the bottom 20% to try to get them to graduate, and the top 1% (seriously) to get them into great schools. i was in the top 4% percent, which at the time i thought was so great but thinking back, eh, i dont know anymore. i was a nerd who grade grubbed and many students there were just not school smart anyway so i bet if i went to a private school or a smart school id be somewhere in the middle.

things i learned in college (state school)
- people like having sex and they dont care if it bothers you
- there's SO much free money out there!!!!! credit cards are offered to you the first second you step on campus (they were for us) and the financial aid office just says, sign on the dotted line honey... (i.e. student loans).
- NEVER go pick up your student loan refund check (which for me and my cohorts well into the THOUSANDS every semester) on the first day they are available. wait a few weeks if you can, but for most of us that wasnt possible so it was like one giant welfare line you stood in for HOURS.
- the professors who lived in NYC (this was rutgers in jersey btw) always made it a HUGE point to say how they lived in the city (this was more specific to the art program.) my psychology professors were way more humble. they all lived in princeton and shit.
- the people you lived with on your freshman year dorm floor will forever sorta be tied into your life... but that's variable..
- rape is BAD! (we had some forced assembly in groups where we had to watch a bunch of REALLY dorky theatre majors act out possible date rape scenes)... meanwhile im thinking, ugh, im still a virgin why would i wanna deal with this crap anyway!?!
- cockroaches are rampant. i had a hissyfit the first night of sophomore year in my dorm, caught a bunch of GIANT roaches, put them in an envelope and went to the housing office. i got a bitch, please look and remained in that dorm room for the rest of the year.
- if youre an in the closet gay guy youre gonna make LOTS of fair weather female friends, specifically LUGS (lesbians until graduation) regardless of your major.
- the best people to have study groups with were "adults" over 25 who were part time or commuting and taking classes to school. they were very serious, and actually enjoyed that you hung out with them in the student centers and libraries instead of going to frat parties. this one chick confided in me that she had brain cancer. :( she was in one of my classes, and it was weird, but we had great study sessions.
- off campus landlords NEVER give you back security deposits!!!! they always have excuses (tho most valid).
***caveat*** it was always easy to find female off campus roommates that you can tell them you are low income and if you can spend much less for your room and they would be like SURE. their mommies and daddies didnt really know as they were writing the checks all willy nilly anyway. i pretty much went an entire year with some spoiled chick who's parents paid most of my rent. this is probably way more extreme in nyc

*rob*



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December 2, 2011 2:13 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Trigonometry taught what my limits were.

Pre-Calculus senior year taught me mine as well. I wasted a very big part of my time senior year studying for that class because it was drilled into my head that I needed to know it and learn it. So I had to basically spend a LOT of time to be able to pull off low 90's grades (A-) grades were all that was important to me at the time for some reason.

sitting across from where i sit right now is a textbook i picked up on the street called Microeconomics with Calculus. :-/ i actually tried reading some of it and it made my brain hurt. there's also an organic chemistry book, a biology textbook, experimenting with organic chemistry textbook, and a book called Home Improvement 1-2-3. seriously, these are on my bookshelf. i do not know what the point is. maybe subconsciously i think if someone saw them they'd think i was smart and handy (i never took any of those classes, but just found them on the street around here) oh btw, i recently read that 33% of people who live in park slope have a degree ABOVE a bachelors. that's sorta nuts. it's like nerdville, but people are a bunch of phonies and i bet their advanced degrees are in stupid shit anyway. i highly doubt it's all astrophysicists and stuff *not that that is even a good career to go into cuz youll be poor anyway*... maybe they all have MFA's or something.. gonna be flat out honest. i would NEVER go back to school for a higher degree.

*rob*



Edited at December 2, 2011 2:13 PM
December 2, 2011 2:25 PM - dibs
There should at least be a class that teaches high school students how to fill out a 1040EZ
Edited at December 2, 2011 2:25 PM
December 2, 2011 2:28 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Trigonometry is much easier with graphing calculators than it was looking up and manipulating 4-digit numbers in the sine-cosine-tangent tables.

YES! in pre-calc (which is essentially trig i believe) we had to use to those Texas Instruments graphing calculators. they had them in the classroom for use, and you could sign them out overnight. i think they were TI-81's? i wound up saving up money from my part time job and buying my own which i think was the next model up which was TI-82 or maybe TI-83? i dont know, it was nicer and clean and grey. the school ones were blue and mine didnt have other peoples cooties on them. i thought i was totally bad-ass with my own calculator. im sure you can now download an app on an iphone or other phones to have an advanced graphing calculator now, no?

seriously tho. what DO you get out of algebra? i cant think of anything and i know i could be wrong on that... geometry, maybe a bit more, well much more.... but all the basic geometric stuff you should already know by 6th grade really. math and science were my favorite classes in school and what i actually did the best in... but not cuz of any inherent ability to do it, i think math and science teachers really REALLY favored students with an interest in it and also i enjoyed doing math problems and science was just very interesting. english lit was my least fav. subject. i always thought it was the subject matter, but now realize it was just the kinds of teacher who teach that shit. certain kinds of people teach certain kinds of things and i just gelled better with the math and science teachers. i do remember my guidance counselor junior year being like why the hell are you taking EXTRA science classes instead of the fourth year of Spanish. cuz i was way more interested in them, duh! he was an awful guidance counselor (i think ive mentioned this story here before) who saw me at the lake writing in my journal and just enjoying the gorgeous fall day, and decided the next monday in school to call me into his office and said i can either call the cops or your parents :-/ he literally co-erced me into saying stupid shit that i didnt really mean. i opted for my grandma (thank god). had to spend an entire day in the hospital with a bunch of dirty nurses saying that i was at the lake reading and enjoying my solitude (it was on thanksgiving morning). so yeah, guidance counselors can be mad clueless.

*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 2:28 PM
December 2, 2011 2:33 PM - ij
I just friended my trigonometry teacher on Facebook. There had been a rumor that he had died of AIDS but apparently not.
Edited at December 2, 2011 2:33 PM
December 2, 2011 2:33 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
There should at least be a class that teaches high school students how to fill out a 1040EZ

yeah, there is. it was called Homeroom, where you got other people to do your homework for you ;)

*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 2:33 PM
December 2, 2011 2:34 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
sometimes this whole message board feels like a Homeroom! (not in a bad way.. you know what i mean)


*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 2:34 PM
December 2, 2011 2:37 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
I just friended my trigonometry teacher on Facebook. There had been a rumor that he had died of AIDS but apparently not.

:( that sucks. ha. facebook, teachers? i friended a TON of teachers on facebook. all but one defriended me after a few weeks :-/

*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 2:37 PM
December 2, 2011 2:37 PM - petebklyn
someone ban that guy who just posted something that was 10X legal limit for postings.
Edited at December 2, 2011 2:37 PM
December 2, 2011 2:37 PM - ij
His name was Mr. Day and one year at the talent show they did a skit, "Find Mr. Day's Butt" b/c he wore such baggy pants.
Edited at December 2, 2011 2:37 PM
December 2, 2011 2:38 PM - Arkady
M4L - House on my block for sale - big rental income if desired:
http://tinyurl.com/7vxefqj
Edited at December 2, 2011 2:38 PM
December 2, 2011 2:40 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
damn, when im off from work and have free time to babble on, i sure dont shut the fuck up. sorry. anyway, going out with duke in a bit. im SURE im gonna come back with high blood pressure and something to mentiomn about the leisure class that is sitting outside right now.... maybe it's too cold for them tho?

but yeah, having had taken fridays off im amazed by just how absurd park slope is during the day. it's like walking onto the set of some national geographic show.

*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 2:40 PM
December 2, 2011 2:44 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
someone ban that guy who just posted something that was 10X legal limit for postings.

ive been banned from other websites for that before. if you dont wanna read it, then dont read it. i dont get what the big deal is. i dont see you complaining when there's 100 puns all in a row. it's no different except that i have a lot to say and some people dont have all that much to say so they resort to punning.... the lazy man's (or woman's) linguistic devices.

*rob*


December 2, 2011 2:47 PM - petebklyn
how much of that price is proximity to arkady premium?
Edited at December 2, 2011 2:47 PM
December 2, 2011 2:48 PM - Arkady
rob - I might've read all of it but not all at once. One paragraph, then onto other things. Another para. Repeat.
Edited at December 2, 2011 2:48 PM
December 2, 2011 2:49 PM - Arkady
Judging by the way things move on this block, people charge extra to be here but then leave very quickly.
Edited at December 2, 2011 2:49 PM
December 2, 2011 2:50 PM - Deleted
Get a load of the "sister act" broker bios on the site that Arkady just sent.
Edited at December 2, 2011 2:50 PM
December 2, 2011 2:50 PM - petebklyn
I'm taking wagers for when Cain quits the race. By # of hours.
Edited at December 2, 2011 2:50 PM
December 2, 2011 2:50 PM - Donatella

My trigonometry teacher was Sr. James. I think of her today and I wince. I sat right by the door. The class was just before lunch. She was very LARGE. Dressed in black old fashioned habit, covered in chalk. She had a few whiskers; the whole thing was exCRUtiating. "DONAAAAATELLLAAAAAAAA" She would croak loudly as I was nodding off.
Edited at December 2, 2011 2:50 PM
December 2, 2011 2:53 PM - dibs
Pete, he's making an announcement tomorrow in Atlanta.


Edited at December 2, 2011 2:53 PM
December 2, 2011 2:54 PM - Deleted
Of the three sister-brokers, I like Kristin.
Edited at December 2, 2011 2:54 PM
December 2, 2011 2:57 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
just got back taking my dog for a piss and a shit. and i can honestly say, as much as i LOVE park slope and where i live, i find it detestable at this time of day. i have off fridays for the next 4 weeks as well, but i might just go to work, id rather deal with all the shoppers and tourists in soho.

walked behind muiltiple women right now and im sizing up what they are wearing and honestly, their outfits were totally into the thousands. who are these snobby, fugly, dilettantes? i dont see them at night, but they are out in full force at night. i thought park slope was full of granola lesbians. these are all sex in the city wannabes pushing strollers, and im not exaggerating even in the SLIGHTEST. some of them even gave me dirty looks just for walking by them with my dog.

i dont like this area anymore if these are the kinds of stay-at-home moms that live here. VILE! i'd rather live around welfare and trailer park queens watching maury and tyra all day than these hoity toity bitches. UGH

*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 2:57 PM
December 2, 2011 2:59 PM - dibs
I think the mother may have had a different husband between the one daughter and the other!!!!!!!!!!
December 2, 2011 2:59 PM - Donatella

She spoke in a monotone and the courses she taught were excruciating experiences for me. Excruciating. I used to envision images over her head like a flashing neon pink electric sign:

B O R I N G

It was pain at a level I don't think I have ever experienced before except when trapped in a meeting with autistic quants with absolutely no social skills. I did ok in the classes. All I had to do was to take the stuff from the 45 minute class and read the stuff in the book and I got it. But I never saw the point and there was never any PLAY in it at all. Which I know now that it isn't true. It was just the worst teaching in the history of man.
December 2, 2011 3:01 PM - dibs
Donatella, you're lucky you didn't get a ruler across your knuckles.
Edited at December 2, 2011 3:01 PM
December 2, 2011 3:02 PM - Deleted
I'm sensing that *Rob* and Donatella have a pressing need to unload about their school years' experiences.
Edited at December 2, 2011 3:02 PM
December 2, 2011 3:02 PM - dibs
Speaking of the nuns, where's Sister Mary Montrose when we are all here behaving so well????????
Edited at December 2, 2011 3:02 PM
December 2, 2011 3:03 PM - dibs
I bet Corinne Rossi was Sr. James's pet and that's why Dona is all pissy about her!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edited at December 2, 2011 3:03 PM
December 2, 2011 3:04 PM - Donatella

You are right, Benson. I think I am just about done. Thank you for your indulgence everyone. Dibs, no I think this nun used to throw the erasers at me. Besides the pain of having to endure the misery of the class came the indignity getting chalk dust on my clothing.

OK, I'm done.
December 2, 2011 3:05 PM - petebklyn
how would you even surmise what their clothes cost? Do you follow fashion and clothing that much? You go into the expensive shops and examine fabrics and price tags? I wouldn't have a clue. I have no idea what clothes cost other than Target level places - for men's jeans, sneakers, pullover shirts, etc.
Edited at December 2, 2011 3:05 PM
December 2, 2011 3:05 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
i LOVED my school years. it's the adult years that suck ass. funny, my psychology teacher senior year in high school told us that are 30s are the best times in our lives. fuck that noise, im almost 35 and these years SUCK and only will get worse. tho maybe she was talking in straight people years, which is different. who knows. boo @ supposedly living in the best decade of your supposed life only to be stuck in the worst decade since the great depressing. AND genetically gay. :-/


*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 3:05 PM
December 2, 2011 3:06 PM - Donatella

Are you kidding, Dibs? Corinne Rossi was feral. She never got anywhere near a Catholic school. She could never have maintained that thuggette persona with the nuns. She went to public school, and was what we derisively referred to as a "publican".
Edited at December 2, 2011 3:06 PM
December 2, 2011 3:09 PM - Donatella

Corinne Rossi is probably a particle physicist now with her public school superior math and science teaching.
Edited at December 2, 2011 3:09 PM
December 2, 2011 3:10 PM - Donatella
Well, I'm off for a while.

Peace, Love and STFU everyone.
Edited at December 2, 2011 3:10 PM
December 2, 2011 3:11 PM - dibs
Dona, good Catholic school girls don't talk that way.
Edited at December 2, 2011 3:11 PM
December 2, 2011 3:12 PM - Deleted
DIBS;

It was called out last night that Donatella is the Chick with balls in the schoolyard.
Edited at December 2, 2011 3:12 PM
December 2, 2011 3:15 PM - Donatella

jeez. what do I do now? I think I am going to get dressed up in a pink frou frou dress and practice being ladylike.

bye for NOW.
December 2, 2011 3:18 PM - Donatella
[tiptoeing off........a little wave.......blowing kisses...kisses...kisses]
Edited at December 2, 2011 3:18 PM
December 2, 2011 3:20 PM - lechacal
.
Edited at December 2, 2011 3:20 PM
December 2, 2011 3:22 PM - dibs
45
Edited at December 2, 2011 3:22 PM
December 2, 2011 3:26 PM - lechacal
Hey BHS, can you edit DIBS's post to make it say a wrong answer and then delete this post of mine?
Edited at December 2, 2011 3:26 PM
December 2, 2011 3:27 PM - dibs
Asshole
Edited at December 2, 2011 3:27 PM
December 2, 2011 3:30 PM - ij
I just ate cheesecake for the first time in my life (I'm pretty sure).
December 2, 2011 3:32 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
how would you even surmise what their clothes cost? Do you follow fashion and clothing that much? You go into the expensive shops and examine fabrics and price tags? I wouldn't have a clue.

i can tell the difference between 50 dollar boots and 500 dollar boots and 20 dollar coats and 2000 dollar coats. no, i dont follow it, but it's always glaringly obvious. im not talking about telling the difference between a chinatown knockoff bag and a real one. also everything always looks so BRAND NEW on them. that's a dead giveaway.


*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 3:32 PM
December 2, 2011 3:33 PM - dibs
I believe I've eaten more beefcake than cheesecake.
Edited at December 2, 2011 3:33 PM
December 2, 2011 3:35 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
im all lightheaded right now and feel like im gonna pass out. i sprayed my entire bathroom (walls and all!) with foaming bubbles.

*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 3:35 PM
December 2, 2011 3:36 PM - dibs
Rob, whatever happened with the broken towel rack???
Edited at December 2, 2011 3:36 PM
December 2, 2011 3:39 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
i didnt bother replacing the towel rack cuz my roommate puts his towel on the stairwell railing in the living room to dry and i would normally put mine on the rack in the bathroom but there are still the two hooks/nails/etc from the two spots where the rack was attached to. i just hook my towel on both of those on each side and it's the same as having a towel rack even tho there is no towel rack there. ill eventually buy a new towel rack since i broke it cuz these nails/hooks, etc thingie are cutting into my towel and making holes in it (i only own one bath towel so it's annoying)

oh and the microwave was so easy to clean with just paper towels and fantastik.


*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 3:39 PM
December 2, 2011 3:42 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
and im giving myself time anyway, cuz at some point, ill be at some random bathroom that has a nice towel rack that i can just take. (im not talking about anyones home or anything) but sometimes hotel bars, hotels, even department stores have nice towel racks in the bathroom. i always have screwdrivers on my person anyway (in my bag) so i figure at some point ill find one i can just unscrew and leave. ghetto? i dont care, they have insurance for that kinda stuff.

*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 3:42 PM
December 2, 2011 3:44 PM - dibs
at some point, ill be at some random bathroom that has a nice towel rack that i can just take. (im not talking about anyones home or anything) but sometimes hotel bars, hotels, even department stores have nice towel racks in the bathroom. i always have screwdrivers on my person anyway (in my bag) so i figure at some point ill find one i can just unscrew and leave. ghetto? i dont care, they have insurance for that kinda stuff.

*rob*

Note to self: Remove rob's name from any future house party invites
Edited at December 2, 2011 3:44 PM
December 2, 2011 3:45 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
granted i cant think of anytime in the future ill actually *be* in a hotel bar, a hotel, or a department store... but still. sometimes the Universe provides random shit on the street and my eyes are always peeled so at some point chances are there will be on on the street.

i can't ask myself to actually go into a store and pay for a towel rack. that's absurd.

oh yeah, and there's also open houses, duh


*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 3:45 PM
December 2, 2011 3:46 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: brownstoneshalfoff has a new signature over >>>>>>>

***Half Peak Comps Euroding***
Edited at December 2, 2011 3:46 PM
December 2, 2011 3:47 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Note to self: Remove rob's name from any future house party invites

omfg, bitch please! are you even missing anything of your prehistoric mini dildo collection? what would make you even say that! im not a f'ing thief.
did you even read my post? i would be taking a towel rack from an open house, a hotel bathroom, a restaurant, or finding one on the street. im not a thief.


*rob*
Edited at December 2, 2011 3:47 PM
December 2, 2011 3:49 PM - dibs
Welcome back, randi. We missed you. Seriously.

Are you coming to the party Dec 15?????
Edited at December 2, 2011 3:49 PM
December 2, 2011 3:49 PM - Deleted
Good to see you, Randi.
Edited at December 2, 2011 3:49 PM
December 2, 2011 3:58 PM - DeadCatBounce
Ixnay on the apricot jokes!
Edited at December 2, 2011 3:58 PM
December 2, 2011 4:00 PM - Donatella
oooooh, randi. sorry for any cranky thing I said to you. ever! Welcome back and are you coming to the party?
Edited at December 2, 2011 4:00 PM
December 2, 2011 4:03 PM - More4Less
Arkady, I would love to buy that house if someone or some bank would loan me the 2.7M out of the 2.8M ASK. when it comes to rental income ppties, my budget is way way way lower.
Edited at December 2, 2011 4:03 PM
December 2, 2011 4:04 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: i will be at the party.

Edited at December 2, 2011 4:04 PM
December 2, 2011 4:05 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: m4l.......thoughts on imam shumpert of whatever the f his name is....its gonna be a strange couple weeks here, and probably an even stranger season. all the back to back to back games are gonna be rough on our guys (esp. billups, amare and turiaf). i am concerned.
December 2, 2011 4:06 PM - More4Less
don't believe him if he says YES. Randi aint coming to no party
Edited at December 2, 2011 4:06 PM
December 2, 2011 4:11 PM - More4Less
randi, our season is going to be over shadowed by all those CP3 trade talks - akin to last year's melo talks. thanks to Melo's greediness in asking for max money and insisting on trade vs signing this off season, we got jack shit to trade for CP3 and relative peanuts to sign him next year. I like that Melo is on the squad already but he did us no freaking favors in setting team up optimally to get star #3.
Edited at December 2, 2011 4:11 PM
December 2, 2011 4:13 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
just finished cleaning bathroom and kitchen. im POOPED! now eating leftover dinner from last night

*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 4:13 PM
December 2, 2011 4:13 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: i am not familiar w CP3's game so i dont know what all the hype is about.
Edited at December 2, 2011 4:13 PM
December 2, 2011 4:15 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
if randi goes, im SO gonna try to make it even tho it's almost impossible, unless i slip out of my work party hop on the train and then hop back...

*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 4:15 PM
December 2, 2011 4:17 PM - Deleted
Anyone wanna bet that Minard will be at the party too?
Edited at December 2, 2011 4:17 PM
December 2, 2011 4:21 PM - Donatella
ok, randi good!
Edited at December 2, 2011 4:21 PM
December 2, 2011 4:22 PM - More4Less
benson, you playing house on the minard bet and what's the payout, odds, etc?
Edited at December 2, 2011 4:22 PM
December 2, 2011 4:24 PM - Deleted
I'd say that the odds are 2-1 that Minard will show. He does have a fan base, you know, and he wouldn't want to disappoint them.
Edited at December 2, 2011 4:24 PM
December 2, 2011 4:24 PM - More4Less
Randi, the best point guard in the league is either CP3 or Deron Williams. at present, I would take CP3 but over term of contract, I would take Deron - bigger taller dude whose game would fade less over the yrs vs CP3 might lose some effectiveness as speed wades a little and punishment to little frame takes its toll
Edited at December 2, 2011 4:24 PM
December 2, 2011 4:27 PM - More4Less
benson, very tempted to take other side of bet (ie Minard won't show up) but given I aint showing up to party to collect on potential winning wager, that takes alot of excitemt from agreeing to that bet
Edited at December 2, 2011 4:27 PM
December 2, 2011 4:53 PM - Donatella
I'm trying to save you from being a thread killer. AGAIN,....M4L.
Edited at December 2, 2011 4:53 PM
December 2, 2011 5:04 PM - BoerumHillScott
It's late Friday afternoon - everyone is on their way home to start drinking.
Edited at December 2, 2011 5:04 PM
December 2, 2011 5:05 PM - ij
Life is beautiful. Have a good weekend, everybody.
Edited at December 2, 2011 5:04 PM
December 2, 2011 5:05 PM - dibs
Dona, aside from being disruptive in class, you've now become a thread killer yourself. Where does it end????
Edited at December 2, 2011 5:05 PM
December 2, 2011 5:06 PM - dibs
I'm on my way to Philly. I just called Amis and it turns out they still have white truffles. I will have a wine headache tomorrow.
Edited at December 2, 2011 5:06 PM
December 2, 2011 5:08 PM - dibs
BHS, what, if anything do you now about html 5 and Adobe's role in it???
Edited at December 2, 2011 5:08 PM
December 2, 2011 5:11 PM - Deleted
Have a great weekend all.
Edited at December 2, 2011 5:11 PM
December 2, 2011 5:15 PM - BoerumHillScott
Adobe's role in HTML 5 is that Apple used what should be just another technology standard as an excuse to get in a big pissing match with Adobe.
At this point, it looks like Apple is winning.
Edited at December 2, 2011 5:15 PM
December 2, 2011 5:26 PM - dibs
Can Adobe team up with the rest of the world and provide the standard to them???
Edited at December 2, 2011 5:26 PM
December 2, 2011 5:28 PM - More4Less
html 5 could in theory be terrible news for apple - if that has mass adoption. believe that and some related apps rolling out on html 5 enables a ton easier setup of app stores with apps that can be used on all the various mobile platforms - ie itune store exclusivity would wane
Edited at December 2, 2011 5:28 PM
December 2, 2011 5:30 PM - DeadCatBounce
Peter Schiff, an economist and hedge fund manager, had this to say today:

"There’s an old expression that nobody rings a bell when it’s time to buy or sell. Well, I think the world’s central banks rung a pretty loud bell today to buy precious metals."

He has a point.
Edited at December 2, 2011 5:30 PM
December 2, 2011 5:38 PM - BoerumHillScott
Part of the problem for Adobe is that from 2000 to 2005 they were the de-facto standard for providing truly interactive content online, and since they controlled the standard you had to buy their tools to create the content.

Since 2006 or so that position has been slowly eroding with more advanced javascript (an open standard anyone can create tools for) and now HTML 5.

The world has gotten together and come up with standards that replicate 95% of what Adobe Flash can do.
Adobe is part of that, but their problem is that they are just just another player in the authoring tools game with no real lock on the market.

A side battle is the development of apps for mobile devices. Apple has a tight lock on what can be installed on IOS (iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch), including that you have to use their tools running on a Mac to write apps. Adobe tried to get into that game on a couple of fronts, but Apple keeps shutting them out.

Adobe does write tools to create apps for Android, but they are just one of several players there, including some that are free.


Bottom line, I would not invest in Adobe now.
PDF and their development tools will keep them alive, but I don't see them returning to position of power they had a few years ago.
December 2, 2011 5:40 PM - dibs
OK, thanks for the explanation
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December 2, 2011 5:40 PM - BoerumHillScott
M4L, I agree.
That is what I found funny about Apple "embracing" HTML 5 during their pissing match with Adobe.
They don't want HTML5 to succeed and replace their apps, but it was not as immediate a threat as Apple's customers forcing them to let Adobe Flash onto IOS.

Edited at December 2, 2011 5:40 PM
December 2, 2011 5:45 PM - Donatella
in answer to your question, dibs, don't know...don't know.

[waving hanky dantily to you all.......ta ta, toodle loo, have a lovely weekend]
December 2, 2011 5:49 PM - dibs
Everyone have a nice weekend.
Edited at December 2, 2011 5:49 PM
December 2, 2011 5:57 PM - lechacal
Fuck all of you.
Edited at December 2, 2011 5:57 PM
December 2, 2011 6:13 PM - petebklyn
party not in brooklyn heights so no chance of minard. where is the place anyway?
Edited at December 2, 2011 6:13 PM
December 2, 2011 6:17 PM - lechacal
By the way, the poll that is up is defective. It doesn't have a "yes I will attend and have no plan to bring anything for any charity" option.
Edited at December 2, 2011 6:17 PM
December 2, 2011 6:28 PM - rf
That's because the price of admission is a gift to charity. Asshole!
Edited at December 2, 2011 6:28 PM
December 2, 2011 6:36 PM - petebklyn
schmuck.
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December 2, 2011 6:57 PM - petebklyn
"I'm pretty sure I'm the only one here who listens regularly to Charlie Pierce"--
you may be the only here that listens. period. rest of just yell stfu.
Edited at December 2, 2011 6:57 PM
December 2, 2011 6:57 PM - ij
There's an article in the new Esquire written by an NPR commentator. I'm pretty sure I'm the only one here who listens regularly to Charlie Pierce.

The article is titled "The Carterization of Obama" and makes the case all comparisons between the two are Republican lies except the one on race. Carter healed the nation from Watergate; Obama healed the nation from slavery - that's the only valid comparison. Read it here ("The fundamental thing..." is where he makes this point):

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/obama-jimmy-carter-1211

Wasn't there some kind of issue about that opinion here on the site recently? Someone tried to point out Obama was like Carter, just in a black version? I was away and missed it but I can totally imagine it. I bet some faction hammered someone until they felt like blogaciding over it. Whichever side did, they need to totally tone it down 'cause they are driving away new readers.
Edited at December 2, 2011 6:57 PM
December 2, 2011 7:09 PM - petebklyn
and thanks for the article. I did read most of it.
Edited at December 2, 2011 7:09 PM
December 2, 2011 7:18 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
yeah i remember when someone called obama the black jimmy carter and a bunch of people got offended. which is a little weird but maybe understandable to get upset. ive been called the white version of mo'nique and didnt find it offensive, in fact i found it complimentary. i dont remember carter obviously, but wasnt he a terrible president? funny cuz i did read an article recently comparing both of them. obviously the author didnt saying he's the black version of carter tho.

you also say that sometimes people say things that drive away new readers... where would these new readers even be coming from? we are basically on some far flung exurb on a dead end corner in a cul de sac with no street signage section of the internet... theoreticallly we can blow some smoke signals. also i like when people have controversial opinions on things and dont fake their beliefs. more fun that way. if i didnt wanna hear fucked up shit i'd join a knitting circle at tea lounge, not be rolling around internet message boards.

*rob*

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December 2, 2011 7:21 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
also if it wasnt benson, sorry. it was then either dave or lech.

*rob*

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December 2, 2011 7:46 PM - etson
Civil response:

Just read the article. Can't relate to anything it describes and don't understand the concept of one individual 'healing the nation' anyway.
Not surprised that it came from an NPR commentator.
Edited at December 2, 2011 7:46 PM
December 2, 2011 7:48 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
Cher could heal the nation. So could Miley Cyrus, if truly given a chance.

*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 7:48 PM
December 2, 2011 7:49 PM - etson
Cher could only heal the nation if she could turn back time.

[are we in a late GOTD contest or something?]
Edited at December 2, 2011 7:49 PM
December 2, 2011 7:52 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
hahhhaha. i think a female president would be great. but most females who go into politics are eh, i dont know what the word is to describe them. whatever word it is, it wouldnt exactly be flattering, but the same is true for the guys as well, they all kinda suck and there's something about that that's annoying. i think that's why i like countries that have kings and queens instead. they dont have that sleezy politian vibe going on and they just do what they wanna do.


*rob*

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December 2, 2011 7:54 PM - Deleted
Rob;

It was me.
Edited at December 2, 2011 7:54 PM
December 2, 2011 7:58 PM - etson
That last sentence describes perfectly why the UK still has a royal family (and other European countries as well probably). The royals aren't always popular but people don't like the idea of the official head of state being a politician from one side or the other - the idea of someone 'above politics' is appealing

Some countries (Germany, Italy, Ireland, Israel) have a formal head of state who is not royal but is a kind of elder statesperson, at least in theory, but it usually ends up being a retired politician.
Edited at December 2, 2011 7:58 PM
December 2, 2011 8:04 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
i still remember when Princess Diana died. :( i remember it more than i remember 9/11 actually, and i was in lower manhattan at the time and saw part of it from the balcony at work!

*rob*

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December 2, 2011 8:05 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
but i also remember the OJ Simpson car chase more vividly than i remember what i ate for dinner last night, so that that for what it's worth.lol

*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 8:05 PM
December 2, 2011 8:12 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
That last sentence describes perfectly why the UK still has a royal family

if are able to sniff the undercurrents of popular mass media in the last 20 years or so, youd be hard pressed not to think america is also in the direction of one day soon having our own Royal Family. who they are, i have no idea. (please god dont let it be the fucking kardashians, but you can tell they are spreading the roots... they also have the money). if Lindsay and her anorexic little sister could get their damn act together, maybe it could be the Lohans (tho i doubt it cuz i dont know if they have any clout other than the two of them and their parents are long island white trash)... weird, i cant think of any more American Royal Family possibilities. the hiltons? i dont think they'd even want to go there. Tho if Paris Hilton became official Queen of America i think i'd shit my pants and thought i'd gone to heaven.

*rob*

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December 2, 2011 8:13 PM - etson
I remember it as well. I lived in London at the time. I used to listen to the radio a lot back then. I woke up and put the radio on and couldn't understand why the dance / R&B station was playing miserable music. After about 20 mins of flicking through stations there was a voiceover with the announcement.

I found all the fuss (sorry 'national outpouring of grief') in the following week a bit weird and embarrassing, as did many of my then colleagues & friends.

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December 2, 2011 8:18 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
when princess Di died, i was SHOCKED my grandmother was so affected by it (im serious). she always bought the national enquirer and stuff growing up, but after that she was obsessed with getting all the other rags as well. quite weird. why would she have cared for the british royal family when her mother emigrated from italy? oh and a friend of hers in our building lent me a book about princess di (i think it was the unauthorized biography). i actually read it. but i think the most scandelous thing in the book was that she was bulimic or something. dont remember too much else from it. i mostly just read it in the lounge area of my dorm looking for some kind of weird attention or perhaps to just look like a freak.

*rob*

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December 2, 2011 8:19 PM - etson
That last comment was about Diana obvs.
I don't remember the OJ car chase that well but I'm pretty sure the OJ verdict was on or within a couple of days of my 21st b'day. I had just started work and was on a training course about how to work a computer (which I have still far from mastered)
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December 2, 2011 8:35 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
i think it was junior year in high school for me when i came home after work and saw the car chase happening on the news (i think it was live at the time, but maybe not, not sure what time it took place, but i normally got home around 6pm EST)

*rob*

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December 2, 2011 8:42 PM - etson
Just checked the date of the OJ car chase - June 17th 1994. I was at college, living in the college and did not have my own TV there, so watched very little. Must have completely passed me by.
Also I would not really have been aware of who he was anyway at that time as I don't watch many movies and wasn't into football then.
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December 2, 2011 8:56 PM - etson
Those helicopter-recorded police chases they show on CNN or Fox News every so often are the best TV come to think of it.
If there was a channel just devoted to them I would watch it all the time.
Always seem to be from LA or South Florida for some reason.
Edited at December 2, 2011 8:56 PM
December 2, 2011 8:59 PM - lechacal
I was living in Spain when the OJ thing happened and didn't give a crap. Also was in Spain when Kurt Kobain killed himself, didn't care about that either, someone had to explain to me who he was. Funny actually my cousin had an affair with OJ Simpson and said he was a huge stalker, would call her from all over the world and ask if she was seeing anyone, and of course he was married. Their affair ended when he did the whole thingie with the wife and the car chase. Totally serious!!! Not telling you my cousin's name though, she's happily married and living in Vermont now. She worked in Hollywood back then though.
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December 2, 2011 9:08 PM - lechacal
You know what I'm realizing? I'm super homophobic, but only against gay acting guys. You can do buttsecks and suck dicks all day long, that's fine, but as soon as you start acting all gay and swishy I'm kicking you out of my house.
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December 2, 2011 9:09 PM - lechacal
Wow remembering back now to my other cousin's wedding on Lake Champlain (the cousin who is sisters with the one who had the affair with OJ). It was fall of 1997 and everyone was whispering about how there was this huuuge family secret that the other cousin was finally admitting, but the hollywood side of the family apparently had known about the whole thing right from the start even before he killed his wife. That was the family drama for that wedding.
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December 2, 2011 9:15 PM - ij
I had signed off but when I saw that, it immediately called to mind the one incident of censorship that's taken place here (as far as I know): for posting something which lo and behold appears in a national magazine several months later. During the week we discuss limits on free expression.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:15 PM
December 2, 2011 9:16 PM - Deleted
*Rob*

Somebody just sent this to me. It kind of dovetails with your earlier post about what you learned in school.

This is a speech that Bill Gates gave at a High School graduation ceremony:

Rule 1 : Life is not fair - get used to it!
Rule 2 : The world doesn't care about your self-esteem.
The world will expect you to accomplish something
BEFORE you feel good about yourself.
Rule 3 : You will NOT make $60,000 a year right out of high school.
You won't be a vice-president with a car phone until you earn both.
Rule 4 : If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a boss
Rule 5 : Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity.
Your Grandparents had a different word for burger flipping:
They called it opportunity.
Rule 6 : If you mess up, it's not your parents' fault,
so don't whine about your mistakes, learn from them.
Rule 7 : Before you were born, your parents weren't as boring
as they are now. They got that way from paying your bills,
cleaning your clothes and listening to you
talk about how cool you thought you were:
So before you save the rain forest
from the parasites of your parent's generation,
try delousing the closet in your own room..
Rule 8 : Your school may have done away with winners and losers,
but life HAS NOT. In some schools, they have abolished failing grades
and they'll give you as MANY TIMES as you want to get the right answer.
*This doesn't bear the slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.
Rule 9 : Life is not divided into semesters.
You don't get summers off and very few employers
are interested in helping you FIND YOURSELF.
*Do that on your own time.
Rule 10 : Television is NOT real life.
In real life people actually have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.
Rule 11 : Be nice to nerds.
Chances are you'll end up working for one..


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December 2, 2011 9:20 PM - Deleted
IJ;

You're the man.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:20 PM
December 2, 2011 9:23 PM - etson
Don't get it. What was censored here??
Only magazine exposure I can think of was NYMag about Mr B and the what.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:22 PM
December 2, 2011 9:23 PM - rf
Not written by Gates, no graduation ceremony.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/schoolrules.asp
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:23 PM
December 2, 2011 9:25 PM - Deleted
Rf;
Well it's true what they say: don't believe everything you see on the internet!! Thanks.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:25 PM
December 2, 2011 9:27 PM - etson
"Not written by Gates, no graduation ceremony."

It's pretty good, and that makes me feel better about it.

The Bob Newhart / Catholic University speech is the only one of those things I heard / read that was good.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:27 PM
December 2, 2011 9:28 PM - lechacal
Benson, that is so obviously not bill gates. That's probably written by a 50 year old blowhard with a lifetime subscription to guns n' ammo who Owns a corvette and mistakenly considers himself successful.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:28 PM
December 2, 2011 9:28 PM - etson
http://publicaffairs.cua.edu/speeches/newhart97.htm
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:28 PM
December 2, 2011 9:29 PM - Deleted
Etson;

IJ is referring to a post I wrote that was removed. It was a joke that basically made the key point of that article. I was accused of being a racist for posting it,
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:29 PM
December 2, 2011 9:33 PM - Deleted
Lech;

Can't say that I know Bill Gates' personality well enough so as to determine its authenticity. The person who sent it to me is not one of these people who forward everything they read. Anyway, Rf cleared it up.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:33 PM
December 2, 2011 9:34 PM - etson
Oh, I remember that then benson. I think some people used it as an excuse to get after you rather than really being offended by it per se. It's easy to cry racism for rhetorical effect or when it's in the eye of the beholder, and such overreaction makes real racism so much more intractable.
I have a long rant about double standards that I'll save for when it's directly relevant.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:34 PM
December 2, 2011 9:36 PM - lechacal
If someone is pissed at benson, they should just tell him fuck you and leave it at that. Long drawn out emotional feel sorry for me things are just so..... So...... Female.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:36 PM
December 2, 2011 9:37 PM - lechacal
I'm stuck at home while my wife is off with her friends, it's kind of nice though, I'm really looking forward to tomorrow with the kids.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:37 PM
December 2, 2011 9:40 PM - Deleted
I'm glad the weekend is here because I need some time to do something fun. I'm feeling a bit down these days because my daughter's MS is acting up, and she's having a tough time getting it under control. It's tough for a parent to see a child stuggle like that.

Have a good weekend all.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:40 PM
December 2, 2011 9:41 PM - lechacal
I'm sorry to hear about that benson. You really are an anchor for a lot of people in your life.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:41 PM
December 2, 2011 9:42 PM - rf
Sorry (sarcasm on) you hate female and gay thoughts or things or movements or gestures so much.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:42 PM
December 2, 2011 9:44 PM - etson
That must be painful benson. At least she knows she has loving parents close by. Have a great weekend.
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December 2, 2011 9:45 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Also was in Spain when Kurt Kobain killed himself, didn't care about that either, someone had to explain to me who he was.

my ex boyfriend, who was 4 years older than me, told me that when kurt cobain killed himself he RAN AWAY FROM HOME/SCHOOL and didnt have contact with anyone for days afterwards, LFMAO. i should have ended it right then and there really. i mean wtf?

*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 9:45 PM
December 2, 2011 9:49 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
So before you save the rain forest
from the parasites of your parent's generation,
try delousing the closet in your own room..

ha benson, that speech is great. replace it with bedbugs and it could be any moonface graduation right now! and SO spot on

*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 9:49 PM
December 2, 2011 9:52 PM - lechacal
I'm downloading Watchmen. Who watches the Watchmen? Me tonight. Lol.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:52 PM
December 2, 2011 9:54 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
sorry about your daughter, benson. i dont know much about MS. supposedly my cousin has it, but i dont see it affecting her much. maybe she had it? i thought it was a lifelong type ailment tho, but like i said i really dont know much about it... anyway, try to have a fun weekend!

i think about about to fire up some video games and blast some asteroids (the newest version of asteroids rocks)

*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 9:54 PM
December 2, 2011 9:57 PM - lechacal
I literally had no idea who Nirvana was at the time. I had no clue about a lot of things. I was basically socially retarded until my mid 20s. This one time I bought a girlfriend a diamond ring because I figured it was a nice gesture, and it was a full 5 days or something before I realized she totally got the wrong idea.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:57 PM
December 2, 2011 9:59 PM - Deleted
Thanks all. Once again: have a great weekend.
Edited at December 2, 2011 9:59 PM
December 2, 2011 10:02 PM - lechacal
You too benson. Hey by the way who is that guy in your avatar?
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:02 PM
December 2, 2011 10:06 PM - Deleted
Rob;

There are two major manifestations of MS. In the more severe variety, it is a steadily debilitating disease, often leading to the loss of mobility. The less severe type is cyclical and fortunately this is the type my daughter has. For the most part the person functions normally, except for ocassional flare-ups. If the number of flare-ups is not controlled, this version can also be debilitating. Fortunately drugs have been developed to control the flare-ups. The trick is to find the cocktail that works best for you. We're not there yet with my daughter.

Mitt Romney's wife has MS, btw.
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:06 PM
December 2, 2011 10:09 PM - Deleted
Lech: A young Robert Moses, looking over the model of his proposed Brooklyn-Battery Bridge. He advocated bridges over tunnels. He once said something like: "A bridge is a work of art. What have you got when you built a tunnel but a hole in the ground?"

FDR ruled against the bridge. He feared that if it were bombed, it would block the harbor, and so the tunnel was built.
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:09 PM
December 2, 2011 10:10 PM - lechacal
"Mitt Romney's wife has MS, btw."

Same with president on west wing tv show, right?
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December 2, 2011 10:12 PM - Deleted
I never watched West Wing, so don't know.
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December 2, 2011 10:13 PM - lechacal
Who is Robert Moses? I suppose I can google it, but since he is your avatar I figure he means something to you and knowing you you'll give me better information than google.
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:13 PM
December 2, 2011 10:22 PM - BoerumHillScott
Robert Moses is the man who was solely responsible for the destruction of New York City.
I am also pretty sure that he invented the Fedders house.

That's what I learned from Brownstoner.
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:21 PM
December 2, 2011 10:25 PM - BoerumHillScott
Either that or he was a key public figure in the New York area from the 1930s to 1950s, holding a bunch of government jobs including running multiple state agencies at the same time.
He was responsible for the '39 and '64 Worlds Fairs, Riverside park, the Triborough and Verrazanno bridges, and most of the Expressways in the city.
He was also a key person responsible for many of the large post-war housing developments, both privately owned and through the Housing Authority.
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:25 PM
December 2, 2011 10:26 PM - lechacal
I'm not chumming waters benson, scout's honor. I kind of know who he is but not really. I know you and mm get in big fights about him but those posts are always too long didn't read so i skip them.
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:26 PM
December 2, 2011 10:28 PM - lechacal
Ok thanks bhs. So he was an architect? Politician? Engineer? Mix?
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December 2, 2011 10:29 PM - Deleted
Lech;

Robert Moses was born into a rich family and educated at Harvard and Oxford, but spent his entire career as a civil servant, rising to the point where he was simultaneously the Commissioner of Highways, Housing, Public Works and Parks. His passion was building great public works, and the NYC you see today is largely his doing. Among his most notable works: Jones Beach, the Triborough, Verrazano, Bronx-Whitestone, Throgs Neck and Henry Hudson bridges. The BQE, the Henry Hudson Parkway, the Van Wyck Expressway, the Cross-Bronx, the LIE, the Northern and Southern State Parkway, and that is just a partial list.

He knew how to get things done and that that sometimes involved knocking heads together. During the beginning of his career he was very popular, but he was practically run out of office in the mid-60's. He became unpopular when it was his charge to shoehorn interstate highways like the BQE onto an already-built city. Obviously this involved displacing people, and he became reviled for his techniques.

After he was deposed, NYC did not extend its infrastructure for more than 40 years.

It is my belief that we need guys like him once again.

One more thing. As I said, he was born into a wealthy family. When he died, his estate was worth $50,000 after a career in public service.


Edited at December 2, 2011 10:29 PM
December 2, 2011 10:29 PM - lechacal
Watchmen has downloaded 4.3 of 5.6 gigs so I'll be going soon.
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:29 PM
December 2, 2011 10:31 PM - lechacal
Thanks benson. Very cogent. I would expect no less.
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:31 PM
December 2, 2011 10:32 PM - lechacal
So basically Moses is the matter to the Atlantic yards protesters' antimatter?
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:32 PM
December 2, 2011 10:33 PM - Deleted
Lech;

Moses was neither architect nor engineer. Rather he did what most professionals want from their boss: provide cover so they can do a great job.
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:33 PM
December 2, 2011 10:39 PM - lechacal
Download complete. Night!
Edited at December 2, 2011 10:39 PM
December 2, 2011 10:47 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
benson, i still want to lend you that book i mentioned that was recently writtten that talks a lot about moses... (in general a good light). i think the book might be at work. right now im blanking on the name and the author, but i think i told you it a while back..

*rob*

Edited at December 2, 2011 10:47 PM
December 2, 2011 11:53 PM - lechacal
" i still want to lend you that book i mentioned that was recently writtten that talks a lot about moses... (in general a good light)."

The Bible?
Edited at December 2, 2011 11:53 PM
December 3, 2011 9:19 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
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December 3, 2011 9:20 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
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December 3, 2011 9:46 AM - rf
morning Snappy! How was dinner?
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December 3, 2011 10:29 AM - petebklyn
"he was born into a wealthy family. When he died, his estate was worth $50,000 after a career in public service" ---
gee, I wasn't born into wealthy family. My estate will probably be $50.

Edited at December 3, 2011 10:29 AM