Monday Open Thread
September 12, 2011 6:37 AM - BoerumHillScott

September 12, 2011 6:40 AM - BoerumHillScott
The last of my summer visitors left yesterday, so I consider today to be the first week of fall for me.
There is a still a lot of uncertainty surrounding my job situation, and little of what I do know is good.
However, I am going to try to keep a good attitude and make the next few months as good as they can be.

September 12, 2011 6:55 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Sounds like an excellent plan, Scott. May the force be with you :-)
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September 12, 2011 6:57 AM - denton
Hope it all works out, bhs!
September 12, 2011 7:15 AM - Arkady
Good luck, Scott! Any way you can look around for something else in the mean while?
September 12, 2011 7:23 AM - BoerumHillScott
Thanks. As part of my plan, I woke up early and went down to the gym in my building to use the treadmill for the first time in 2 months.

I also signed up for several more races through the end of the year.
If I run and finish in them all, I will be qualified to run in the November 2012 NYC Marathon.
I'm not sure if I want to make that kind of training commitment, but running a marathon is an idea I've been kicking around for a number of years.

On the job front, I have started to look, but I am being cautious not to jump to something that will be worse off than my current situation.

Edited at September 12, 2011 7:23 AM
September 12, 2011 7:42 AM - Donatella
You have a good attitude, Scott, and I wish you the best. The training sounds ambitious!! Best of luck with that too.
September 12, 2011 7:45 AM - Arkady
PLUSAs have to rally for Lechacal in this year's marathon.
September 12, 2011 7:51 AM - denton
Mrs D will also be running if she can overcome a foot injury.
September 12, 2011 8:03 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
ill probably be skipping the marathon this year lol. ugh is it really monday morning!?!? :-/


September 12, 2011 8:29 AM - bxgrl
Scott- I really hope things work out for you. I think the uncertainty is the worst thing.

Denton- love your camera series- especially since4 I desperately need to learn this stuff :) Passed by the Gehry building yesterday. Everyone with me could not get over how beautiful it was. Surprisingly I was the only one who actually knew whatt it was. Thanks to you. I practically sounded like a savant :)
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September 12, 2011 8:34 AM - Donatella
Today does feel like the true end of summer and beginning of the fall. Cooler weather, sharpened pencils, new marble notebooks, energy surge, fresh starts.
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September 12, 2011 8:48 AM - DeadCatBounce
Another stock market debacle in store today.
Europe takes one more step towards the abyss.
September 12, 2011 9:14 AM - Legion
Hey everyone,

bxgrl, the new Gehry building is a beautiful addition to the New York skyline.

I was out this weekend celebrating my anniversary and had a beautiful view across the East River to the Mid-town cluster of buildings. There are a couple of new stand-outs there including the two buildings around Times Square. I believe one is the Marriott Times Square.

There is also a new rectangular building just north of the CitiCorp building with an illuminated box like structure on top.

Beautiful night Saturday, we saw the lights of the 9/11 tribute shooting high into the heavens. They went so high that they curved into the upper atmosphere.
September 12, 2011 9:18 AM - Legion
The business news this morning had the Dow Futures down
over 250 pts.
September 12, 2011 9:23 AM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Wtf with robs miley cyrus post??? Was he drunk on smurf juice?
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September 12, 2011 9:28 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
Wtf with robs miley cyrus post??? Was he drunk on smurf juice?

go fuck yourself randi.

i just got this extremely weird random email about my grandmother.

Hello Robert,
My name is Ellen and I live across the street from your grandmother. I'm also from NJ so we feel like we have something in common. (Boonton, NJ) We all love Delores and we try to look out for each other here in our little community. She'll be going on Monday to the specialist for the procedure so that she'll be able to eat normally. She's very nervous about it, but we know some other people who have had the same procedure and it has made a great difference. samerocedure done, and it's quick

:( im all kinds of a mess today dealing with this and my dog and a major problem at work.


September 12, 2011 9:33 AM - Biff Champion
I've gone from needing not much sleep for the majority of my life to suddenly feeling exhausted and going to sleep early and waking up late (waking up late meaning 8 on the weekend). This all happened around a week ago.

Am I dying? Or is it something even worse?

Edited at September 12, 2011 9:33 AM
September 12, 2011 9:35 AM - rf
Biff, it's probably nothing but GO TO THE DOCTOR!
Edited at September 12, 2011 9:35 AM
September 12, 2011 9:35 AM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Seriously rob, is there suddenly a supposed miley cyrus sex tape floating around?
September 12, 2011 9:36 AM - rf
Rob, did you know about your grandmother's health issues? No wonder she was calling you!
September 12, 2011 9:37 AM - Biff Champion
I think I may be suffering from depression with a supersized side order of mid-life crisis. I've lost the little interest I had left in my job, wonder if this is all that life is about and am not even excited to watch the Real Housewives series anymore. Is there a happy pill I can take?
September 12, 2011 9:37 AM - Arkady
Biffy - It's probably the change in the season. Modify your diet - fewer starches for the time being.
September 12, 2011 9:39 AM - Biff Champion
Arkady, maybe you're right although I really don't like summer and love the fall, so I should be feeling good these days. I just had a big thing of oatmeal so I'll start my starch-free diet at lunch.
September 12, 2011 9:41 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
and to make matters worse my roommate completely did not understand the whole paying every 14 days for rent thing and that im ahead in rent. ugh. he has to consult someone about it. am i going crazy?


September 12, 2011 9:42 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
Is there a happy pill I can take?

it's called jumping in front of a train. seriously, life sucks.


September 12, 2011 9:43 AM - Legion
Sometimes subtle changes in male hormones occur between ages 35-45.
Have the doctor check hormone levels.
There is some feeling in the medical community that this is often responsible for the often described "midlife crisis" including depression and
increased fatigue.

Also check out vit B levels.
Edited at September 12, 2011 9:43 AM
September 12, 2011 9:44 AM - Arkady
rob - Oh, never mind.
September 12, 2011 9:46 AM - DeadCatBounce
Hi Biff:
No interest in job: Normal
Need more sleep: who doesn't? (Oh yeah, my ex-wife, but she is the exception)
Ennui: Need more time off to contemplate meaning of life and your own bellybutton.
Ralization "Real Houswives TV Series" is boring: Throw TV out and have wild affair with hot thirty year old. A bit conventional, but guaranteed more effective than happy pill.

Good Luck. Let us know how it works out. (I already know though -- these things always end badly)

September 12, 2011 9:46 AM - Legion
Take one problem on at a time.
Realize that you are only one person and cannot take on the world's problems.
This too shall pass.
I don't want to presume about your relationship with your grandmother but sometimes a straight out talk is helpful.
September 12, 2011 9:46 AM - BoerumHillScott
I try to make myself exercise more when I'm feeling down. It is tough to get myself motivated, but once I get moving it usually helps.

A big issue I have is that when I start getting depressed I tend to ramp up my alcohol consumption, and that can feed into a cycle of me getting more depressed.
September 12, 2011 9:49 AM - Legion
...exercise releases endorphins which make you feel better.
It's a good idea.
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September 12, 2011 9:50 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
well the flat out honest truth is that i dont wanna have to deal with anything family related. never have, never will. she's guilt tripping me like mad lately and it's weighing heavily on my mind. i mean i GET it, but at the same time, i truly dont want to. and then my dog... it's like WHY do i really have a dog again? im such a phoney in the ways i talk about him, like yeah okay i love him. eh, i dont know. i wish he'd just go away as well. im an awful AWFUL person.


September 12, 2011 9:53 AM - Biff Champion
Legion, thanks...I should have the doctor take a look at my hormones (nh). But what if he says my hormone levels are low? Do I have to get testosterone shots? I mean the sheer immasculation involved with that might throw me into a total tailspin. And what if I take too much hormones? Will I get 'roid rage and end up spending all my money on UFC pay-per-view events?

DCB, that cracked me up!
September 12, 2011 9:54 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
maybe leave nyc. nyc is an awful place to live if youre not rich and or a moonface.


September 12, 2011 9:55 AM - Biff Champion
Scott, the interesting thing is since I've been feeling this ennui and malaise, I've completely lost interest in drinking. If that isn't a scary sign, I don't know what is!
September 12, 2011 9:56 AM - Slopefarm
Biff, don't discount that you might be fighting off a serious cold or virus. Can affect outlook. Keep an eye on your mood and see if it persists. Ramp up your exercise a bit -- find a basketball game, do some hiking or biking. Also, don't discount all the 9/11 stuff. See where you are in a week and whether the mood persists and is accompanied by any other symptoms or not. I wouldn't rush out for happy pills without trying to take stock of what this is. Also, if you need to laugh, stream the Germans episode of Fawlty Towers.

And, like I've posted before, we need a link to Laura Petrie on the old Dick Van Dyke show saying "Oh, Rob!" We should just post that instead of actually responding to some of the sillier comments.
Edited at September 12, 2011 9:56 AM
September 12, 2011 9:56 AM - Legion
Dogs are man's best friend.
Yours sounds like a good companion.
Legiondog is 11 now and his breed usually doesn't go past 10.
He's a great companion and part of the family.
Sometimes I catch myself thinking about how easy it would be not to have to deal with some of his medical problems, like now he's got hair falling out because he went out in the rain and I didn't dry him enough.

It's normal to have negative feelings about those close to you once in a while.

It doesn't define your entire relationship though.

September 12, 2011 9:57 AM - DeLepp
biff, take a mental health day and head to watch hill to play in the surf. Nothing like being tossed around to enliven the spirit. The salt air will cleanse the spirit.
September 12, 2011 10:00 AM - Deleted

If you think that the influx of new folks into NYC has been a bad thing, I suggest that you watch either of the following two movies: "The French Connection" or "Serpico". I saw the latter this weekend at the Film Forum. Both of these films were shot around 1970 on location throughout NYC. The filth and run-down condition of the city is palpable, as well as the air of cynicism that there was no way to turn the city around. Rents were pretty cheap, however.
September 12, 2011 10:01 AM - Biff Champion
Thanks Slopey and DeLepp, I'm taking note of all of this. Maybe subconsciously the 9/11 stuff got to me. And I did take somewhat of a mental health day and a half last week, although I was working from home and it wasn't really much of a break.

I think a few puns might help...
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September 12, 2011 10:01 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
i have no problem with new people who move into nyc. that wouldnt make any sense. i just dont like how lame and subsidized they all are.


September 12, 2011 10:01 AM - Biff Champion
* Puns for Educated Minds*

1. The fattest knight at King Arthur's round table was Sir Cumference. He acquired his size from too much pi.

2. I thought I saw an eye doctor on an Alaskan island, but it turned out to be an optical Aleutian .

3. She was only a whiskey maker, but he loved her still.

4. A rubber band pistol was confiscated from algebra class, because it was a weapon of math disruption.

5. No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationery.

6. A dog gave birth to puppies near the road and was cited for littering.

7. A grenade thrown into a kitchen in France would result in Linoleum Blownapart.

8. Two silk worms had a race. They ended up in a tie.

9. A hole has been found in the nudist camp wall. The police are looking into it.

10. Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

11. Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

12. Two hats were hanging on a hat rack in the hallway. One hat said to the other: 'You stay here; I'll go on a head.'

13. I wondered why the baseball kept getting bigger. Then it hit me.

14. A sign on the lawn at a drug rehab center said: 'Keep off the Grass.'

15. The midget fortune-teller who escaped from prison was a small medium at large.

16. The soldier who survived mustard gas and pepper spray is now a seasoned veteran.

17. A backward poet writes inverse.

18. In a democracy it's your vote that counts. In feudalism it's your count that votes.

19. When cannibals ate a missionary, they got a taste of religion.

20. If you jumped off the bridge in Paris, you'd be in Seine.

21. A vulture boards an airplane, carrying two dead raccoons. The stewardess looks at him and says, 'I'm sorry, sir,
only one carrion allowed per passenger.'

22. Two fish swim into a concrete wall. One turns to the other and says 'Dam!'

23. Two Eskimos sitting in a kayak were chilly, so they lit a fire in the craft. Unsurprisingly it sank, proving once again
that you can't have your kayak and heat it too.

24. Two hydrogen atoms meet. One says, 'I've lost my electron.' The other says 'Are you sure?' The first replies, 'Yes,
I'm positive.'

25. Did you hear about the Buddhist who refused Novocain during a root canal? His goal: transcend dental medication.

26. There was the person who sent ten puns to friends, with the hope that at least one of the puns would make them laugh. No
pun in ten did.
September 12, 2011 10:03 AM - Legion
agree slopefarm,
I always have "feel good" movies to watch when feeling negative.
Usually they're 80's comedy films.
Sometimes deeper films like American Beauty and American Splendor
which I highly recommend.

Edited at September 12, 2011 10:03 AM
September 12, 2011 10:05 AM - Deleted

Following up on Slopey's post: I've been fighting a virus the past month that is really sapping my energy. It's one of the most tenacious viruses/sicknesses I've encountered. Perhaps you're dealing with something similiar.
September 12, 2011 10:07 AM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Biff, those were awesome! Great Monday a.m. pick-me-up.
September 12, 2011 10:09 AM - Legion
I love those 70's New York movies.
Recommend the following to your "down and out" NYC list:

The Seven Ups with Roy Scheider

Panic in Needle Park (just watched it this past week, with Al Pacino)

Dog Day Afternoon (w/ Pacino)

...all filmed on location in gritty NYC.

September 12, 2011 10:12 AM - Legion
...the car chase scene in the Seven-ups makes
the Steve McQueen, San Francisco chase scene from Bullitt
look like a Romper room tricycle race., biff
those are some movies to beef up your hormone levels. ;o)
September 12, 2011 10:13 AM - Deleted
"Dog Day Afternoon"

Here is a piece of trivia about this event/movie. The actual event upon which this movie is based took place a few blocks from my folks' house (The Chase Manhattan bank on Ave. P and East 3rd, to be exact) while I was in high school. I remember it like it was yesterday, because it caused quite a scene in the neighborhood. It seemed like the whole neighborhood turned out to watch this event unfold.

The movie was shot on 5th Ave in the South Slope, however.
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September 12, 2011 10:15 AM - Donatella
Biff, do a mental list of things you loved to do before you were 21 (but don't get in trouble) and do a couple.

*rob*, the only way out is in. There is no running from this stuff. Talk to her.

September 12, 2011 10:17 AM - Deleted

The thing that always strikes me when I watch the movies set in 1970's NYC is how much worse it was than my memory recalls. I commuted into Manhattan for high school and college during the 1970's. While I certainly recall that the city was run-down, I just don't recall it being that bad. I guess we take our environment for granted and make the best of it when we're young.
September 12, 2011 10:18 AM - Legion
Fascinating stuff benson.
I'm kind of a movie freak in case you folks haven't noticed.
September 12, 2011 10:22 AM - Legion
lol benson,
I spent much of the 70's laying in dirt playing with action figures, stray cats and bugs along with all my friends.
The whole decade seems gritty to me.
September 12, 2011 10:22 AM - WonTon
Wow, I'm sorry to hear you're feeling down, Biff and rob.

Biff--don't underestimate the change in seasons, and also in light. The days are getting shorter, the temperature's dropping. In Indian Ayurvedic medicine the seasonal change period is considered the most critical for health, and they always do a fast/purge at this time.

Me, I hate the "back to school" time too. It always gets me down.

Edited at September 12, 2011 10:22 AM
September 12, 2011 10:24 AM - WonTon
A quick question. I remember having a conversation with one of you guys (Donatella? Arkady?) about a handyman--you said you had a really good one.

I need a guy to come and put up some roller window shades for me. Yeah, I could do it myself but it would take me twice the time and the job wouldn't come out as neat as if a pro did it. Any recs?
Edited at September 12, 2011 10:24 AM
September 12, 2011 10:25 AM - Donatella
I spent Saturday in mess, black mascara running, teary, snot-sucking sobbing mess, remembering a ton of 9-11 shit.

I went to Mass Sunday, and in the evening spent an hour and a half on the Promenade, staring at the pillars ascend into the night clouds. It was strange how remembering everything gradually transformed my thoughts into happy ones. Remembering everything, EVERYTHING I ever did in the Towers from 1977. I was laughing then. The landscape of my youth.
September 12, 2011 10:28 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
OoOooooOO is this legit!?!?

"Forgive $900,000,000,000 in student loans? Pros and Cons?


So I'm seeing this make the rounds on Facebook -- sign a petition to forgive all student loan debt, which is somewhere around $900B.

Would that entire $900B be actual deficit spending?

Would forgiving student loans be rewarding irresponsible borrowing behavior or rewarding poor educational choices?

Would it set a bad precedent for future loan choices?

Why stop there, why not pay off all credit card debt?

Would this have a true stimulative effect?

Is this in any way a serious proposal?

Read more:
September 12, 2011 10:30 AM - Donatella
It had to be Arkady, Wonton. My guy is ok, but I am really looking for somebody else.
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September 12, 2011 10:32 AM - Arkady
dona - Winston - 718 755 2802 - tell him Kathleen said to call.
Also, do you have that extra info on the auto-immune doc in NJ you were going to look for? Thx.
Edited at September 12, 2011 10:32 AM
September 12, 2011 10:36 AM - WonTon
So Winston is the guy then? I will call him now, thanks!

Edited at September 12, 2011 10:36 AM
September 12, 2011 10:36 AM - Arkady
Biffy - "Want to hear a joke about nitric oxide?" "NO."
September 12, 2011 10:38 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
biff when youre feeling down, imagine yourself as a lesbian vampire. that sometimes works for me.


September 12, 2011 10:40 AM - Biff Champion
Dona, that was poignant. On the weekend, I noticed a new wreath on the Promenade dedicated to 9/11.

Oh, and Champ #1's fish died on Friday. It had outlasted three of Champ #2's fish. Is there something in NYC water that kills pet fish? I remember my goldfish seemingly lasting forever in Toronto back in the day. And that was in a bowl without all of the fancy accoutrements we bought for The Champs. We had a burial at sea (actually Pier 6 by the East River, to get techical) for the last of the remaining fish.
Edited at September 12, 2011 10:40 AM
September 12, 2011 10:40 AM - ij

Sorry to hear you feel that way. Have faith there truly is much, much more to life than you feel right now. You're blessed wiht optimism and good humor so that will help.
September 12, 2011 10:42 AM - Arkady
Biffy - It makes a huge difference where you get your fish. Mine are upward of 6 years old. I had 2 from a chain store & they didn't last long at all.
September 12, 2011 10:42 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
okay seriously, i think it does work. i just pretended i was a lesbian vampire just now and now my mood is like 100x better! oh yeah and soup is on sale at the supermarket!! YAY it hasnt been on sale in forever, im gonna stock up on like 100 cans tonight

mania: it's what's for breakfast!


September 12, 2011 10:42 AM - Donatella
Arkady, sorry I thought I had posted it..... He is Dr. Lahita. He has offices in Newark and Jersey City (JC accessible to the Path). He is a microbiologist as well as rheumatologist/immune disorder specialist so he is very sophisticated re latest (non-steroidal) drugs. Very much an advocate for women, who suffer disproportionatly from immune disorders. Here is his website with all contact info. The embedded video is very good.

September 12, 2011 10:43 AM - Slopefarm
Your advice sucks, rob. I suppose you gave it in vein.
September 12, 2011 10:45 AM - Arkady
You had given me the doc, it was an association you were going to look up.
Edited at September 12, 2011 10:45 AM
September 12, 2011 10:45 AM - Donatella

I had three gold fish. The really long-lived ones made it two weeks. The other one a couple of days. The fish tank is gathering dust in the cellar and I am asking the same questions myself, Biff.
September 12, 2011 10:46 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
Your advice sucks, rob. I suppose you gave it in vein.



September 12, 2011 10:48 AM - ij
Slope was just trying to reanimate Biff and leave him in stitches.
September 12, 2011 10:48 AM - Donatella
oh, ok, right Arkady. Here it is. Info on woman founder, tel numbers and website. It is a great organization
and Barbara is awesome. She helped a lot:

Barbara Yodice,
Founder of the Autoimmune Information Network and Multiple Autoimmune Disease Patient Network
PO Box 4121
Brick NJ 08723
877-AIN-4900 or locally 732-262-0450

Edited at September 12, 2011 10:48 AM
September 12, 2011 10:49 AM - Slopefarm

Humor me. I'm just trying to help biff out of his doldrums.

September 12, 2011 10:51 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
i can't. puns kinda elude me. my brain doesnt work in that way


September 12, 2011 10:53 AM - Slopefarm
"puns kinda elude me"

[Forgetting rpevious advice] Oh, Rob! You realize it is ridiculous to say you can't recognize puns while identifying and complaining about them.

September 12, 2011 10:56 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
i can identify them i just cant come up with one.


September 12, 2011 10:58 AM - Biff Champion
Arkady, we went to Petco and another place by Wall Street (maybe PetSmart?) - so your theory of chain store fish not lasting long is backed up by our experience. Where do you recommend getting fish from?

And by the way, while it seemed to be lost on The Champs, the fact we were eating bagels with lox and cream cheese Saturday morning wasn't lost on me. It gave me the same kind of strange feeling as when I see snack bars in zoos serving hamburgers and hot dogs.
September 12, 2011 10:59 AM - Deleted
One of the columnists from the WSJ made an interesting observation last week. He said that on the 10th anniversary of Pearl Harbor, there was no official commemoration of any kind. President Truman made no reference to it in any speech on that day. The major media outlets of the day (for instance, the cover of Time Magazine) made no reference to it.
September 12, 2011 10:59 AM - rf
Friends who left the Upper West Side after 9/11 came to visit and see my daughter and her chorus at the St. Patrick's memorial concert yesterday evening. They took the bus from Middletown to Port Authority and we had a nice day in the city--because so many people were too scared to come to Manhattan, we had no problem parking on the street and we did tourist stuff without fighting crowds. The mom is a native NYer and she liked that. We went to the High Line and ate at a really good Chinese restaurant in Chelsea, then spent some time in Rockefeller Center before we went to the cathedral. The concert was very nice and my daughter's chorus was truly inspiring. I sat next to a college student from Madrid who was in the city to study English. When I attempted (in fractured Spanglish for both of us!) to tell him about 9/11/01, he told me about the train bombings by Al Quaeda in Madrid on 3/11/04 and how it was there. Welcome to the world, USA!

I didn't watch a minute of network/commercial/cable TV all weekend. I listened to WNYC,and watched some PBS. It was interesting to remember how disturbing that day was (aside from all the horror, my daughter had just started Kindergarten in Chinatown and I was in Brooklyn, and I had a tough time getting her home), and the following months of paranoid municipal and national reaction.

So it was a weekend of sad remembrance for me, in the company of friends. My daughter doesn't really remember, but she was just 5 when it happened. I remember sitting home watching the towers crumble on TV, wanting to turn back the calendar, wake up from the nightmare. What a terrible time to live in the city. The stink from the smouldering ruins lingered for months around my daughter's school, and I remember idiot cops from out of town trying to direct traffic when they had no idea what they were doing.
September 12, 2011 11:02 AM - More4Less
Biff, it might be the PBR's. maybe it's time to switch back to some Canadien brew and also use Canadien Maple syrup
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September 12, 2011 11:04 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
I remember idiot cops from out of town trying to direct traffic when they had no idea what they were doing.

lol tell us how you really feel


September 12, 2011 11:13 AM - Slopefarm
rf -- I've vacillated between needing to commemorate the event a bit and wondring if it we aren't making a bit of a religious fetish about it. We didn't lose anyone close to us, though I remember walking over queensborough bridge with Mrs. Slopey and some work colleagues and the desperation in needing to get back to the Slope to pick up our daughter at day care. I remember how difficult it was in the aftermath to come to terms with all of the loss and destruction. Not to mention the close calls -- I was riding in on the F and saw smoke following the first hit when passing from 4th Ave to Smith/9. I did not think to get off the train and head home because we did not know what had happened yet. I just continued on to work, with lots of train delays. My fellow passengers and I could easily have gotten caught much closer to lower manhattan if they had stopped the subways earlier.
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September 12, 2011 11:22 AM - Biff Champion
rf, I think many New Yorkers, particularly Jewish ones, share something in common with your experience. I'm not referring to anything 9/11-related; I'm talking about eating Chinese food on a Sunday.
September 12, 2011 11:22 AM - Arkady
Thanks, dona.
Biffy - There's a pet store on Union, west of Court. Guy there looks like a big bruiser but really knows fish. He used to have a place on 9th St.
Love Thy Pet(718) 596-2399 - 164 Union St, Brooklyn, NY
Edited at September 12, 2011 11:22 AM
September 12, 2011 11:26 AM - More4Less
about time this clown of a principal get the AX:
September 12, 2011 11:27 AM - Biff Champion
Thanks Arkady...I'm going visit that store. I need to justify spending all of that money on the high tech aquarium (actually, it's just a small one, but it's pimped up pretty good with some bells and whistles. It's like the kind of tank one would imagine seeing in Mill Basin ...maybe that's the problem; the fish are over-stimulated).
September 12, 2011 11:31 AM - More4Less
Snappy, did you see serena being the ugly american yet again at the US Open? that along with her pitiful showing was very disappointing
September 12, 2011 11:33 AM - Arkady
Well, Biffers, it's no wonder you're worried about your own health if you've got failing fish! Be assured, there are very few diseases that are transmissible from fish to primates.
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September 12, 2011 11:34 AM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Serena really shat the bed. I think nadal is gonna take it today.
September 12, 2011 11:37 AM - Biff Champion
Arkady, perhaps the dying fish are a reminder of my own mortality (and the fact I feel I'm swimming around aimlessly and pointlessly in a plastic bowl day after day, not getting anywhere and realizing I'll never escape from the bowl, but I digress).

So what did Serena do? I missed most of the match, but did see the part where she glared at the chair umpire in the middle of the match...
Edited at September 12, 2011 11:37 AM
September 12, 2011 11:38 AM - More4Less
Randi, you have more confidence than Nadal himself in him taking the match tonight
September 12, 2011 11:40 AM - Biff Champion
I just Googled to see what Serena did. I'll have to watch the video at home, along with the Cindy Lauper anthem bungling.

You're unattractive inside...LOL!
September 12, 2011 11:53 AM - Deleted
the williams sisters have always been incredibly sore losers. one of the big reasons why i would always root against them when there was a viable american alternative.
September 12, 2011 11:58 AM - minard lafever
Donna, the columns of light were particularly beautiful this year. Both on Saturday and Sunday nights. On Saturday the sky was clearer and the beams extended seemingly into the stratosphere. I was watching from the roof deck and a large plane flew right through the beams. Its wings lit up for a split second and then it passed through. It was oddly beautiful, apart from the ghastly symbolism.

September 12, 2011 12:10 PM - Donatella
Minard, yes they were. It was cloudy and the columns of blue light pierced clouds; it was almost evocative of smoke, but beautiful. I did not watch any TV coverage. However, I did watch the Shankesville memorial on Saturday, where Clinton, Bush and Biden all spoke beautifully. That was it.
September 12, 2011 12:15 PM - More4Less
DH, unfortunately, not many viable american alternatives. if not for them, we got no presentation.
September 12, 2011 12:32 PM - Legion
When they open the Freedom Tower officially next year,
I think the city should move on to the next page and allow the public memorials to go back into the private lives of the population effected.

The memorials are coming close to permanently being about certain groups.

Whether you were here in NYC that day, in the towers themselves or in New Mexico. It's a national tragedy that touched everyone.
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September 12, 2011 12:39 PM - Biff Champion
I just read Snappy's Coming to New York write up from this past weekend. It's well worth a look if you haven't read it already. My favourite line:

Grammy Snaps, who had been in town for a visit, held me tight and gave me a warning. “Baby, those New York peoples are crazy. Watch who you talk to out there, you may mouth off to the wrong person and wake up dead!”
September 12, 2011 12:40 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Legion, please make no more posts today. It pains me to have to agree with you :-)

Seriously though, your 12:32 was bang on.

Ok...back to work.
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September 12, 2011 12:42 PM - Biff Champion
I also completely agree with Legion's 12:32 post. Although it could be my hormonal imbalance talking. :-)
September 12, 2011 12:43 PM - Deleted
Legion and all;

I partly blame Mayor Bloomberg for stripping the ceremony at the Ground Zero site of a larger meaning. His insistence on tightly choreographing the event and that "It's all about the victims" have led us to this point. For instance, he will not allow any public figure to make a "politcal" speech. How short-sighted. Some of the greatest speeches and essays in our nation's history have been delivered at just such events (The Gettysburg Address and "The Crisis" by Tom Paine, for instance). Does he really think that our public officials won't rise to the event, that they will stoop to promoting themselves?

I voted for Bloomberg three times, and given the choices, I'd still do it again. I've come to conclude, however, that he is a manager, not a leader.

My parish held a ceremony for our local firehouse yesterday during the 12.30 Mass. This firehouse lost about 10 people. Our pastor made an appropriate sermon about forgiveness. One of the firemen spoke about 10 minutes on the day. It was a short, moving but dignified ceremony.
September 12, 2011 12:46 PM - Legion
*****Medical Warning*****

Agreeing with too many of my posts may lead to various forms of distress, including but not limited to:

Take posts only as directed and under supervision of trained personnel.

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September 12, 2011 12:48 PM - Legion

I was about to say that part of the city's new chapter
will be Bloomberg's imminent departure from office.
Agreed. For better or worse, he's been in there a long time.
September 12, 2011 12:49 PM - Biff Champion
Did Noah have woodpeckers on the ark?
If he did, where did he keep them?
September 12, 2011 1:27 PM - dibs
and to make matters worse my roommate completely did not understand the whole paying every 14 days for rent thing and that im ahead in rent.

Edited at September 12, 2011 1:27 PM
September 12, 2011 1:32 PM - Donatella
My parish yesterday had a visiting missionary priest from Zaire looking to raise funds for his diocese (wanted to get showers at his rectory in addition to other things). If God has a sense of humor, he was showing it yesterday, maybe his way of saying move on, though the gospel was all about forgiveness. I agree with you, Legion. This at the risk of experiencing any ADDITIONAL maladies. This is why I wanted no TV yesterday.
September 12, 2011 1:38 PM - Biff Champion
"(wanted to get showers at his rectory in addition to other things)"

Why does this sound so naughty to me?
September 12, 2011 1:40 PM - Biff Champion
And in anti-climactic news:

Seems I can post on Brownstoner now from work, albeit inconsistently. Now the question becomes how long until I get banned...
September 12, 2011 1:41 PM - Biff Champion
And comments are already disappearing over there...not just mine though.
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September 12, 2011 1:43 PM - Donatella
Biff, the Zairian priest was easily 6'5" and he said that after spending the day out in the plains doing his pastoral work, he took a shower with a bucket. No bagpipes yesterday in our parish. I was a little non-plussed at first, then I thought it was funny.
September 12, 2011 1:47 PM - dibs
Obama Team Stood by Solyndra’s U.S. Loan as Troubles Mounted

Sept. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Solyndra LLC’s workers making
solar-power panels in a California factory subsidized by U.S.
taxpayers showed “the promise of clean energy isn’t just an
article of faith,” President Barack Obama said on a visit to
the company in May 2010.
Two months before Obama’s visit, accounting firm
PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP warned that Solyndra, the recipient
of $535 million in federal loan guarantees, had financial
troubles deep enough to “raise substantial doubt about its
ability to continue as a going concern.”
The Obama administration stood by Solyndra through the
auditor’s warning, the abandonment of a planned initial public
offering and a last-ditch refinancing where taxpayers took a
back seat to new investors. That unwavering commitment has come
under increasing scrutiny since the company’s travails
culminated in its filing for bankruptcy protection on Sept. 6
and a raid on its headquarters by the Federal Bureau of
Investigation two days later.

WELL DONE!!!!!!!
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September 12, 2011 1:55 PM - ij
I have no recollection of seeing the Twin Towers with my own eyes; my lasting 9/11 emotion is of as a bookend to a decade, and the start of a new one.
September 12, 2011 1:55 PM - More4Less
Shorting solar firms - that's one well one can keep going to make money
September 12, 2011 2:00 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Anybody know if it's possible to watch today's tennis match online? Other than the audio, can I see it somewhere?
September 12, 2011 2:06 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Post-lunch stupor? Where is everyone? Am I stinkie? ::don't answer that last one::
September 12, 2011 2:10 PM - DeLepp
snaps, will have the match live.
September 12, 2011 2:11 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
the video of it too, delepp?
September 12, 2011 2:12 PM - Donatella
I am supposed to be speaking with someone at a French bank this week. I am sure he is jumping up and down to speak to me now. The merde is hitting the fan.
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September 12, 2011 2:12 PM - More4Less
Snaps, you implying Delepp has reading comprehension issues???? you asked, he answered. not like the stupid ESL Chinaman answered your question
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September 12, 2011 2:14 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
lol m4l! just making sure before i get my hopes up too much!
September 12, 2011 2:16 PM - DeLepp
snaps, that's where I've been watching.
September 12, 2011 2:17 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
YAY! Of course the way I carry on when watching tennis, I probably shouldn't tune in. Perhaps I'll shut my office door...
September 12, 2011 2:17 PM - More4Less
Snaps, did you catch Serena being an ugly American yet again last night? that said though, she is still perfect fit for your spec requirements
September 12, 2011 2:19 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
She really should have apologized publicly to that ref. I thought it was bad form on her part. But, Stosur kicked her ass fair and square.
September 12, 2011 2:22 PM - More4Less
Serena was off last night and Stosur was really on fire.

last yr, Serena was on but Cjister was still better.
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September 12, 2011 2:29 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
She was very off. It was a shitshow for 90% of the match.
September 12, 2011 2:33 PM - bxgrl
I am just glad it's over. All the events were too intense- I s[pent the last few dayd going to various things, seeing so many people from my time down there, and crying. We were up at the firefighter's Monumnet where they hold a simple ceremony and read the names. There were thousands of firefighters from all over the world. I was taking a firefighter and his wife, from South Africa around. But nearly everyone, including the family members I know, ae hoping the events and ceremonies ease up and they feel less pressure to attend everything.After the reading was done, we went downtown to a friends open house. They own the Ground Zero flag and every year he lowers it down the front of his building for @ 2 weeks. This year we were joined by Vietnam Vets, in addition to FDNY and NYPD. Everything was very moving, and at the same time, comforting. Odd as that may seem.

I hear you, slopey. I was under the towers when the second plane hit and they held us there for awhile. The system was shut down but I remember reading one of the dispatchers decided it was important to clear out the trains jsut in case. that g-d she did or my train would have been crushed when they came down.
September 12, 2011 2:35 PM - Arkady
A spokesperson for the families of 9/11 victims said yesterday that she thought it outrageous that they're planning to inter the unknown remains at WTC & that there should be a private cemetery not a public memorial. So I think maybe Bloomie was trying to ward off some of that [what would be high-volume] criticism.
September 12, 2011 2:41 PM - Slopefarm
There are so many interests with so many different views of how 9/11 should be memorialized that there is no way to have a ceremony like yesterday without being open to criticism by someone. How we respond to a crisis is one issue, how we conduct a memorial services ten years on just presents a more muted platform for controversy. In the end, the opening of the memorial site was more important than who said what. Now that we have a place to mark the event, we don't need the ceremonies quite so much.
September 12, 2011 2:46 PM - Arkady
Tribute in light is all I need.
September 12, 2011 2:48 PM - Deleted
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September 12, 2011 2:48 PM - Deleted
damn - like 50 posts popped up when i posted that.
September 12, 2011 2:53 PM - Donatella
Arkady, that is how I feel. The memorial itself also is extremely important as well as the rebuilding of the WTC. Too bad we couldn't have that done by now. But we will have it soon and then the remembrance of victims can be more private.
September 12, 2011 2:57 PM - More4Less
too bad the rebuilding is over-running big and it means more toll hikes.
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September 12, 2011 2:57 PM - Deleted
"In the end, the opening of the memorial site was more important than who said what."

Couldn't disagree more. What has had a more lasting impact: the Gettysburg address, or the national historic site of the battle? There is a memorial site in Fort Greene park dedicated to the thousands who died in British prison ships during the Revolutionary war. How big of an impact does it have today, compared to the history and speeches from the time?

I agree with Arkady: the twin lights would have been enough. IMHO, the most overdone part of the whole thing is the memorial itself.

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September 12, 2011 3:02 PM - minard lafever
Just had lunch at the Harvard Club. La-dee-dah.
I like a lunchroom with a stuffed elephant head on the wall.
If you had any doubts whether the US is a form of oligarchy, that place will confirm all your suspicions.

September 12, 2011 3:11 PM - dibs
Is there a cigar room at the Harvard Club, Minard???
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September 12, 2011 3:15 PM - petebklyn
how about a tea room?
September 12, 2011 3:18 PM - Donatella
I was taken to the Harvard Club once. It was to impress me I am pretty sure. But I couldn't concentrate or eat with all of those stuffed animal heads. It was grizzly. A taxidermist went berserk in there. Dead animal heads EVERYWHERE!!!!
September 12, 2011 3:18 PM - petebklyn
I'm back from the week at BigMoose of incident on which An American Tragedy was based.
September 12, 2011 3:19 PM - Slopefarm
benson -- I think we can have a pleasant disagreement on this, and to my view it is a matter of expectations. Gettysburg address was during the heat of war. We are 10 years on from the event here. I simply wasn't looking for or expecting something on that order yesterday. Where the oratory has been great, it seems to me it is the combo of the oratory itself and the circumstances during which it was uttered, and I think yesterday's circumstances were of a more subdued nature.

minard -- a former colleague recently took me to lunch there. I felt a bit exposed without a c.v. and geneology in my briefcase. I had to remind myself that, if the Winklevi can eat there as of right, I can certainly be a guest.
Edited at September 12, 2011 3:18 PM
September 12, 2011 3:20 PM - dibs
What is it with Obama and the tax proposals? Can't he and the rest of Washington figure out that $200,000 isn't the appropriate income level for raising taxes??? Can't any of these morons see that if it was raised to something like $750,000 that virtually all of America would be behind it????

Why are they all so fucking dense????
September 12, 2011 3:23 PM - minard lafever
The Martyrs' Memorial in Fort Greene Park is still one of the most outstanding monuments in the city. Why do you say it has "no lasting impact?" I think it has a tremendous lasting impact.
September 12, 2011 3:25 PM - minard lafever
dave are there enough Americans making over $750,000 so as to make any additional tax on them really count? The vast vast middle class is where the money is on a cumulative basis.

September 12, 2011 3:27 PM - petebklyn
don't get so excited dibs. He is probably talking $200k of TAXABLE income....and with all deductions and loopholes, etc, etc --- It does mean people making $750k.
September 12, 2011 3:28 PM - dibs
The middle class is getting tired of subsidizing the entitled ones.
September 12, 2011 3:30 PM - dibs
DeLepp, the Black Bass was spared.
September 12, 2011 3:30 PM - Deleted
"The middle class is getting tired of subsidizing the entitled ones."

i agree with this 100% - although i'm sure we disagree with who the "entitled ones" are
September 12, 2011 3:33 PM - Donatella
The middle class has plenty of subsidies. Shhh...... I am the beneficiary of a BIG one.
September 12, 2011 3:34 PM - BoerumHillScott
Once again, I don't buy the argument that someone in the top 3%-5% of people in terms of income should be considered "Middle Class"

I don't care if people in that group do not consider themselves wealthy, the statistics say otherwise.
September 12, 2011 3:36 PM - dibs
I can't wait till I get my Social Security checks. I'll document for you on what I spend every penny of it. Most of it will be on hustlers and alcohol and the rest will be wasted.
September 12, 2011 3:39 PM - DeLepp
dibs, good to hear. How is house?
September 12, 2011 3:40 PM - Donatella
Here is one of the Harvard Club rooms. The guy in the front was my date.
September 12, 2011 3:41 PM - Donatella
Here's another one. (We haven't even gotten to the main dining room which is graced by a monstrous elephant head! HORK.)
September 12, 2011 3:42 PM - minard lafever
Donatella, LOL!.
That guy reading the paper was still there today!

September 12, 2011 3:42 PM - dibs
House was remarkably clean. I put the sofas out on the porch to dry in the sun and I'll have a steam cleaning company do them in the next day or two. The floors were in very good shape and no real damage to the walls, though time will tell.

Lost a few hooked rugs and the painted floorcloths. The grounds are a mess but nothing that winter and spring won't handle on its own. Driveway is a rut!!!!!

Firewood gone, as was one bench and the small table I made for the front porch.
September 12, 2011 3:43 PM - Biff Champion
Dona, you dated Woodrow Wilson?
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September 12, 2011 3:44 PM - minard lafever
Serena Williams fined $2,000 for yelling at ref.

Edited at September 12, 2011 3:44 PM
September 12, 2011 3:46 PM - Donatella
Yeah, he called himself Woody, Biff. Minard, I guess they just dust him off.
September 12, 2011 3:47 PM - dibs
"Serena Williams fined $2,000 for yelling at ref."

Either make it a fine that'll discourage it or just chalk it up to free speech.
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September 12, 2011 3:47 PM - Donatella
That's pretty good Minard, they were talking 6 figures initially.
September 12, 2011 3:49 PM - minard lafever
The main dining room is a spectacular room, you gotta admit.
It screams out: "This is where the rich and mighty eat their turkey burgers."

Edited at September 12, 2011 3:49 PM
September 12, 2011 3:50 PM - Biff Champion
That picture of Woody made me think I should buy a nice backgammon set for The Champs, who recently have become addicted to the game. They would get a kick out of rolling the dice in a fancy schmancy tumbler thingy.
September 12, 2011 3:51 PM - DeLepp
dibs, seems not to bad, great to hear.
September 12, 2011 3:52 PM - Biff Champion
I'm not a member of the Harvard Club, but I AM a member of the turkey club. Does that count for anything?
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September 12, 2011 3:52 PM - Donatella
Good dibs. Are you back in the office today?
September 12, 2011 3:53 PM - dibs
Yes, deLepp. We can look forward to a nice Fall weekend. Let me know when you guys are free.
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September 12, 2011 3:53 PM - Donatella
I think I ate something vegetarian there.
September 12, 2011 3:54 PM - minard lafever
Biff, did you read the article in the NY Times: "Recent Studies conclude that men with children rapidly loose testosterone"
I'm not kidding. It is on today's on-line version. First page.

September 12, 2011 3:57 PM - Arkady
Harvard Club functions as the Sarah Lawrence Club too - I love all their comfort food on the menu - real institutional rubbish. Mmmm.

I am ambivalent about the need for a memorial but I love, for instance, the Jefferson, Lincoln, etc. on the Tidal Basin in DC & the pix Denton posted last week that he took of the reflecting pool at WTC certainly looked as if it embodied the event. And i agree w/ Slopey about speeches - given the pettiness of so many politicos today, I wouldn't've tuned in expecting any superb or unforgettable oratory.
September 12, 2011 3:59 PM - minard lafever
Harvard Club functions as the Sarah Lawrence Club too

-you mean they're letting women in now?

September 12, 2011 4:01 PM - Donatella
Bill Clinton gave a beautiful speech at Shanksville on Saturday. These guys knew they were going to die, doing what they did and Clinton have a gorgeous tribute filled with historical references. Joe Biden spoke. As well as W. Only caught part of Biden and missed W.
Edited at September 12, 2011 4:01 PM
September 12, 2011 4:07 PM - dibs
I couldn't believe I was still hearing stories about 9-11 on this morning's news shows. Included in each story was a brief description of each of the events. Are these people really that stupid?????
September 12, 2011 4:07 PM - Biff Champion
"Recent Studies conclude that men with children rapidly loose testosterone"

It was a result of my rapidly loose testosterone that I had children in the first place!
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September 12, 2011 4:10 PM - Arkady
dibs - What about the bridge over your stream? How'd that fare?
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September 12, 2011 4:13 PM - dibs
Miraculously that bridge was fine. It was piled high with trees though, many of them quite large.

My contractor secured an able force of hard working Mexicans for the cleanup. Too bad I wasn't there to supervise.
Edited at September 12, 2011 4:13 PM
September 12, 2011 4:17 PM - More4Less
Biff, aren't all Harvard Grads automatic members of the club
September 12, 2011 4:20 PM - Arkady
There's a day laborer up the road from me who is the spit & image of Xing. Truly, I walked by 4 times to make sure it wasn't.
September 12, 2011 4:23 PM - dibs
ARkady.......Get his number for me.

m4l, its one of the requirements but I suspect, as with all clubs, you have to be sponsored and be able to pay your bills, which is all they really care about anyway
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September 12, 2011 4:27 PM - Legion
"Biff, did you read the article in the NY Times: "Recent Studies conclude that men with children rapidly loose testosterone"

Yes, they found a direct link between our lowered testosterone levels and
the fact that our wives try to keep our you know whats in a jar on the mantle. :o(

...can I get a high five out there?!

September 12, 2011 4:31 PM - Arkady
Kent School uses NY Yacht Club - really nice club.
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September 12, 2011 4:34 PM - Legion
We hold our local civic functions at a Yacht Club with no yachts.
It once had yachts but not since they built a road in front of it along the bay.
Now there's just a nice view of the bay there.
There's a lot of history there. There's a letter on the wall from the Secretary of the Navy asking for donated binoculars during WWI.
Signed FDR.
September 12, 2011 4:36 PM - denton
benson, those were great movies. A couple of others (lesser of course)... Death Wish. I think I was working in D'Agostins's when that movie was made and if you recall a big scene shot in the one on 74th and Bwy. Nick D'Agostino got conned by Hollywood on that one.

Another film that made a big impression on me at the time, altho it is not well known today, 'The Possession of Joel Delaney'. Shirley McClaine is a well off Park Ave socialite whose junky brother is taken over by voodoo spirits (btw their last name was benson, lol). In order to save him she has to go to various botanicas in el Barrio and other parts of Harlem. Great for feeling the Harlem of that time.

I agree, things were supposed to be so bad but we lived our lives as did most people.
September 12, 2011 4:40 PM - More4Less
DIBS, what would you do with two Xing's? besides, Arkady might be commenting that his FACE looks like Xing but he might be missing the requisite Guns & Buns
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September 12, 2011 4:41 PM - Biff Champion
One of my all-time favourite movies based in New York is Crossing Delancey. While not so much a snapshot of New York at the time as the other films mentioned above, what's not to love about dialogue like this? I LOVED Bubbie Kantor:

Isabelle 'Izzy' Grossman: [Objecting to a surprise appointment with a matchmaker] Excuse me, but I don't know what you think you're doing.
Bubbie Kantor: First you'll listen, then you'll talk.
Hannah Mandelbaum: Very nice, very nice girl. She lives by her parents?
Bubbie Kantor: Naaaah, they live in Florida with Red Buttons. All the social security checks under one roof - you can have it.
Hannah Mandelbaum: So, Isabella, you got your own apartment?
Bubbie Kantor: Naaaaah, she lives alone in a room, like a dog. A dog should live alone, not people... a dog.
Isabelle 'Izzy' Grossman: It is not a room, it's an apartment, a very nice apartment. You know, you've been there, there's a bedroom, a bathroom...
Bubbie Kantor: Sure, with bars on the windows like a prison. Someone should crawl in at night I'm always thinking.
Isabelle 'Izzy' Grossman: Stop thinking.
September 12, 2011 4:43 PM - More4Less
DIBS, that sounds like a fancy union's pre-requisite for membership where that too has the key emphasis on ability to pay union dudes
September 12, 2011 4:44 PM - DeadCatBounce
I heard a great 9-11 memorial yesterday on NPR. An actress plays four different women - talking about 9-11 on NPR. She does completely different voices and ways of speaking: A Pakistani Poet, A Dominican immigrant, A Valley Girl and A Jewish Grandma.
September 12, 2011 4:55 PM - cobblehiller
Am I the only one watching Djokovic/Nadal?!!
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September 12, 2011 4:58 PM - Legion
No high 5 on the "nuts in a jar" comment?


This is worse than I thought :o(
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September 12, 2011 4:59 PM - More4Less
Cobble, thx. totally forgot about it. this thing called work can distract one from such more important stuff
September 12, 2011 4:59 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Cobbly, I'm watching online - work productivity at about 2%!!! Wish I could commentate with ya, but I'm already having a helluva time keeping myself from shouting and throwing things - uncouth tennis fan that I am :-)
September 12, 2011 4:59 PM - Legion
...and I know for a fact that many of you are married!
September 12, 2011 5:01 PM - More4Less
crap, can't seem to stream the match
September 12, 2011 5:02 PM - rf
You know Legion, it's not good comedic form to tell people to laugh after your jokes.
September 12, 2011 5:03 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
m4l, the stream is slow at first, then picks up and goes normal. give it about 5 minutes.
September 12, 2011 5:05 PM - cobblehiller
Eesh, this is a great match. Oooh, Nadal is getting testy with the Ump.
Edited at September 12, 2011 5:04 PM
September 12, 2011 5:05 PM - cobblehiller
M4L, I remember how work used to get in the way of my tennis appreciation. One possible upside to being semi-employed.
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September 12, 2011 5:06 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Nadal better wake the eff up before he finds himself looking like Serena did last night.
September 12, 2011 5:08 PM - Legion
I knew you were laughing behind the screen there. ;o)
September 12, 2011 5:10 PM - cobblehiller
You're not kidding, Snaps. He's getting too emotional. Focus, baby!
September 12, 2011 5:14 PM - petebklyn
"m4l, the stream is slow at first, then picks up and goes normal. give it about 5 minutes." -- prostate problems?
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September 12, 2011 5:18 PM - cobblehiller
"uncouth tennis fan that I am"

No one is going to fine US! I'm mouthing off at the TV, too! : P
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September 12, 2011 5:48 PM - More4Less
looks like a lop sided spanking again.
September 12, 2011 5:52 PM - dibs
After being in Provincetown for two weeks, the NYC subway seems like hell on earth
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September 12, 2011 5:59 PM - Arkady
You don't have to have been out of town to find the subway infernal.
September 12, 2011 6:01 PM - bxgrl
That's for sure.
September 12, 2011 6:16 PM - rf
But it takes you where you need to go (usually, M-F, before 8 p.m.)
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September 12, 2011 6:28 PM - petebklyn
I don't mind the subway. But I'm not a constant whiner/fault-finder like many of you.
September 12, 2011 6:44 PM - dibs
Ah yes, Pete, the "just good enough" union mantra.
September 12, 2011 6:48 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
my morning and afternoon commute is oddly my favorite times of the day. as long as i get a seat im totally fine and in a state of total relaxation reading. i do not like the newer trains and it seems like more R trains are switching over to the hideous purple seated ones. much prefer the orange and yellow trains cuz the seating arrangement much better!


September 12, 2011 6:50 PM - BoerumHillScott
After 7 years of putting up with Los Angeles traffic every day, I love the subway.
September 12, 2011 6:54 PM - rf
Scott, I have a question: I want to post an event on the home page here with a poster in PDF form. Any way to do that?
September 12, 2011 6:59 PM - BoerumHillScott
Sorry, no direct PDF support, but there are sites like that can convert the file to a .jpg or .png and mail it you you.

September 12, 2011 7:00 PM - cobblehiller
Eesh, M4L, you got that right. But I see some signs of life in Nadal, I'm not giving up on him yet.

I don't mind the subway except when it gets super crowded and hot.
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September 12, 2011 7:07 PM - bxgrl
RF- do you have win7? You could do a screen shot of the open pdf with the clipping tool, save and upload that. works great.
September 12, 2011 7:13 PM - minard lafever
there are many improvements that could be made to the subways to make them less awful.
For starters, ventilate the stations. clean and paint the stations. eliminate the rats running around. and try to lessen the noise of the trains. Other cities have trains that almost glide compared to NY's clickety clackety old cars.

September 12, 2011 7:14 PM - rf
Thanks Scott and Bxgrl, I used the website Scott posted.
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September 12, 2011 7:22 PM - BoerumHillScott
It would be nice if the police enforced rules against littering on the subway.
The rats are there because of all the trash.

Many other cities do not allow any food or drink on their subways.
I saw a guy in L.A. get a $250 ticket for drinking coffee.
September 12, 2011 7:31 PM - petebklyn
IBM's survey is based on interviews with 8,042 commuters. It analyzes driving commutes to and from work. The cities' scores, listed from most to least stressful, are as follows:

Mexico City: 108
Shenzhen: 95
Beijing: 95
Nairobi: 88
Johannesburg: 83
Bangalore: 75
New Delhi: 72
Moscow: 65
Milan: 53
Singapore: 44
Buenos Aires: 42
Los Angeles: 34
Paris: 31
Madrid: 28
New York: 28
Toronto: 27
Stockholm: 26
Chicago: 25
London: 23
Montreal: 21
Edited at September 12, 2011 7:31 PM
September 12, 2011 7:36 PM - minard lafever
so does that mean we should forget the subways and drive to work? that score is pretty good.

September 12, 2011 8:13 PM - Arkady
Huh? Minard, wouldn't it mean the exact opposite?
September 12, 2011 8:22 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Cobble, where are you? Nadal is getting his ass KICKED!
Edited at September 12, 2011 8:22 PM
September 12, 2011 8:25 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
And Nadal goes down. It's a season of great upsets.
September 12, 2011 8:28 PM - cobblehiller
Oh Snaps! I can't believe it! Djokovic is amazing!! I had to root for Nadal at certain point, he was fighting so hard! (Here with step-daughter and BH.)
September 12, 2011 8:29 PM - cobblehiller
Huge upset, but you really have to hand it to Djokovic. Even with a back problem he beats Nadal! Crazy!
Edited at September 12, 2011 8:29 PM
September 12, 2011 8:34 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Djokovic brought his A game. He was stunning.
September 12, 2011 8:35 PM - cobblehiller
To beat Federer and then Nadal is just awesome. He's #1 alright!
September 12, 2011 8:38 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
Absolutely. Gotta keep my eye on him next year!
September 12, 2011 8:41 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
clean and paint the stations. eliminate the rats running around.

i kinda like the rats. especially when they are scurrying on the tracks, they look cute and make me realize that life isnt THAT serious. i also dont think the subways are THAT dirty.. besides if they were insane about keeping them so clean the cost of a ride would probably double. no thanks. and while i think subway performers are kinda quirky and make it truly new york, i must admit i cant stand when they get on the train rattling their ghetto ass change cups singing aretha franklin songs totally out of tune. (there's a group of 4 men on the R train who i swear are ALWAYS on my commute home. i ONLY ride in the first car of a subway, they are there like clockwork. it's funny how sometimes you will see the same people at the same time in the same car most days. maybe my one complain is how often the metrocard machines malfunction. there are days where im terrified of putting money in and it's the only money i have only to have something bad happen, but 2 times out of three i usually have an unlimited from work.

also i wanted to say that ive been a real brat the last few weeks to a bunch of people here who i consider friends. im sorry, have been going thru a lot of stuff that i havent really discussed here. it's no excuse, but just wanted to throw that out there.


September 12, 2011 8:45 PM - cobblehiller
We saw him beat Nadal in the final at Wimbledon this year, and he was amazing. I think he's set to be #1 for awhile.
September 12, 2011 8:46 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
so does that mean we should forget the subways and drive to work? that score is pretty good.

so nyc gets 28 minutes. my commute on the subway *on the actual train* is 25 minutes about. i cant imagine driving for 28 minutes straight, of course i dont drive so maybe that's why i cant imagine it, but with driving you need to be alert for 28 full minutes all in a row. that doesnt seem like something im capable of. the only form of entertainment while driving it seems would be music. i only listen to music on the bus, but on the train i love to read and stare at people. im awful with the staring at people on the train tho :( i think some people get uncomfortable and some people even move seats or just get up and stand, on the other side of the car! i love when i think someone might be looking at me on the train, but that doesnt happen much.

September 12, 2011 8:48 PM - etson
Funniest thing I saw today, or for a while.
Football coach @ press conference expounds on the characteristics of cats vs dawgs, or something like that:

September 12, 2011 8:51 PM - Arkady
rob - Those numbers aren't minutes, they're ranking points.
Edited at September 12, 2011 8:54 PM
September 12, 2011 8:53 PM - etson
I would normally say I like driving, but I scraped the entire passenger side of my car against a post last night (very tight turns in my car park).
So right now I don't like driving much.
September 12, 2011 8:55 PM - Arkady
Etson! How rotten!
September 12, 2011 9:03 PM - etson
Thanks for the sympathy Arkady! It's not a huge inconvenience now - just feel kinda stupid, & not looking forward to next year's insurance premium.
September 12, 2011 9:03 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
ah, i thought it seemed weird. i think the average driving commute for people in nyc is like an hour or something (tho im not sure where im pulling that figure out of).. i think the ease of living a car-free lifestyle is one of the things that keeps me in the nyc area. im not one of those anti car tards tho.. it's just not for me. as a kid i used to have insane car nightmares where id be in the back seat but no one was driving. odd since driving games is my favorite video game genre! im sure if i could cruise around the city in the princess peach mobile id do it hahaha.


Edited at September 12, 2011 9:03 PM
September 12, 2011 9:23 PM - Donatella
etson - once I did that. I was trying to leave the garage when I found out how expensive it was. Spent 500$ fixing the car.
Edited at September 12, 2011 9:23 PM
September 12, 2011 9:24 PM - Donatella
*rob* when you drive in NYC, you don't need entertainment. Just think of it as a giant video game where as a driver you try to avoid running over delivery boys biking the wrong way, biking hipsters going the right way -- through traffic lights, people texting on skateboards, spaced out pedestrians, double parkers, third world gypsy cabs and other drivers.
September 12, 2011 9:30 PM - petebklyn
so - etson and donatella are lousy drivers.
Edited at September 12, 2011 9:30 PM
September 12, 2011 9:34 PM - Legion
Watching the Republican debates here.

They are coming out swinging tonight, that's for sure.

Perry is being painted as the moderate!

Edited at September 12, 2011 9:34 PM
September 12, 2011 9:36 PM - minard lafever
bank of america to eliminate 30,000 jobs. That's incredible. of course the stock market rose on the news.
seems like such an awful lot of people.

September 12, 2011 9:37 PM - Legion
Perry is the frontrunner.
He's polling ahead of Obama at this point
and I can see he's positioning himself to not only win the Republican nomination but the national election.
Namely, it seems that he's softer on amnesty. I wasn't aware of that.
Edited at September 12, 2011 9:37 PM
September 12, 2011 9:40 PM - Legion
Here's the ticket that will win 2012.
Can't be beat if unemployment is still low over the next 12 months.
And judging from what Minard just posted about 30,000 jobs lost at Bank of America, that scenario seems likely.

...heard it here first.
September 12, 2011 9:49 PM - minard lafever
perry will self-destruct. already half way there with his observations on social security.
social security is the third rail of american politics.
Rubio's time is not yet at hand.
no, I don't see that ticket at all.

September 12, 2011 9:50 PM - etson
Don't think the market was reacting to BofA news, Minard. Big layoffs talked about there for a while and it doesn't have much relevance to the broader market.
Rumor that China will buy large amounts of Italian govt bonds seemed to cause the late day bounce.
Edited at September 12, 2011 9:50 PM
September 12, 2011 9:51 PM - etson
Just reading about the close-run special election tomorrow for Wiener's old district.
The Dem candidate has a very unfortunate mustache.
Edited at September 12, 2011 9:51 PM
September 12, 2011 9:54 PM - Legion
I disagree Minard.
Perry seems pretty confident tonight.
Now, I'm not completely sold on Perry myself but he's got a lot of his ducks lined up:
- Governor: check
- Military service: check
- Big Backing: check
- Southern vote: check

Rubio, is a Tea Party favorite.
He's got the same experience going into the VP slot as Obama did going for President in 2008.
And Rubio is VERY sharp.
He will deliver the Hispanic vote, crucial in 2012.
Edited at September 12, 2011 9:54 PM
September 12, 2011 9:55 PM - etson
Pete is like the OT equivalent of Statler & Waldorf out of the Muppets.

(unfortunately I think it will be well north of $500, dona, but thanks for the motorist solidarity).
September 12, 2011 9:55 PM - minard lafever
I know etson, but bank of america stock did go up quite a bit.
in terms of a republican ticket, Romney/Huntsman could work. Low crazy factor, both actually seem competent. The republican's biggest stumbling block will be the tea party. americans will not vote for an extremist president.
Obama may pull it out yet though, it's way too early to tell.

September 12, 2011 9:56 PM - Legion
Believe it or not,
I will be at the victory party tomorrow night when Turner wins and I'll take a small amount of credit which I will be glad to get into the next time we meet. ;o)
September 12, 2011 9:59 PM - Legion
Romney/Huntsman is a very good ticket
but it leaves out two important components:
-The Tea Party you mentioned
Edited at September 12, 2011 9:59 PM
September 12, 2011 9:59 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
bank of america is the most ghetto ass bank that exists. sorry but sometimes i have to deal with them for work related stuff. the tellers are FUGLY. HSBC has the hottest tellers.


September 12, 2011 10:00 PM - etson
Don't Romney and Huntsman despise each other?
Sure I read an article about that somewhere.
September 12, 2011 10:01 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
WAIT. nevermind. Chase has the fugliest tellers. Bank of America is okay, but i still dont like it as a bank-bank.


Edited at September 12, 2011 10:01 PM
September 12, 2011 10:03 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
the psychic part of my brain says obama is going to win. i dont particularly think he is all that great in the slighest, in fact he down right sucks, but if he loses to a nutjob it's not gonna be a pretty picture. there will be blood in the streets. we really dont need that at this time.


Edited at September 12, 2011 10:03 PM
September 12, 2011 10:05 PM - Arkady
Perry is a dingbat & I don't think he'll end up on the slate.
The likely winner tomorrow is Turner, unfortunately. The Dems were too blase until too late & the candidate made a few errors. The good part is that the district will probably disappear in a few months w/ reapportionment & the GOP win should scare the crap out of the Dems henceforth.
September 12, 2011 10:06 PM - minard lafever
rubio is cuban-american will not deliver the hispanic vote.
cubans are uniquely republican and have very little in common with the great majority of other hispanics in the US. Nonetheless he is an attractive candidate. I think he should run for governor of fla.

September 12, 2011 10:08 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
cubans are uniquely republican and have very little in common with the great majority of other hispanics in the US.

LOL i went to school with many cubans. they are in fact, a tad uppity lol.


September 12, 2011 10:12 PM - petebklyn
so people are either watching debates 14 months b4 the election or watching some dippy people smack a ball over some net. Don't know which is more boring.
Edited at September 12, 2011 10:12 PM
September 12, 2011 10:13 PM - Legion
Disagree again Minard,
I'm Hispanic American and I have a great deal in common with Rubio, as do many other Hispanics I speak to.
Cubans are not uniquely Republican, remember Bush won an overwhelming majority of hispanics in Texas as governor.
Second generation hispanics vote Republican in very large numbers.
Cubans are majority Republican but are by no means, unique.

Erasing the district or not, there is a trend that is very unsettling to the Dem establishment. Here in the heart of Liberal NYC.
September 12, 2011 10:13 PM - minard lafever
The tea party is definitely the albatross around the republican party's neck. They are like a third party that has popped out of the republican belly like one of those old alien horror movies. If it were not for the tea party, Obama's chances of winning a second term would really be in doubt. But the tea party will trip up the republicans. that's how I see it right now.

September 12, 2011 10:14 PM - etson
Two Republican house districts in NYC would be quite a turn up after losing so much ground for so long.
Thought the Staten Island / Bay Ridge district was gone forever until they won it back last year.

Anyway, off to bed..

September 12, 2011 10:15 PM - Legion
lol *rob* do seem to be in a better mood now.
But pete seems a bit cranky. :o(

September 12, 2011 10:20 PM - Legion
The district in play tomorrow, Anthony Weiner's district
is 3 to 1 Democrat.
Edited at September 12, 2011 10:20 PM
September 12, 2011 10:24 PM - cobblehiller
"Perry is a dingbat & I don't think he'll end up on the slate."

Absolutely. Perry will fall apart, and it won't be long either. He's already mouthed off a few times, saying things that will come back to bite him in the butt.
Edited at September 12, 2011 10:24 PM
September 12, 2011 10:26 PM - minard lafever
legion, hispanics who are business owners, entrepreneurs, bankers, and professionals may lean republican. but I really disagree that the vast majority of Mexican, Puerto Rican, or Dominicans are going to look at a fancy-pants cuban-american who is looking to cut financial safety nets with any sort of affection.
September 12, 2011 10:28 PM - Legion
You've obviously been living in the city too long.
September 12, 2011 10:34 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
looking to cut financial safety nets with any sort of affection.

lmfao, since when has welfare been used as a "safety net?" if ONLY it was just used as a safety net... seems more of a lifestyle choice to me.


September 12, 2011 10:37 PM - Legion
The "safety net" has become a banana hammock.
September 12, 2011 10:37 PM - petebklyn
we must have a primary here tomorrow ...been getting lot of robocalls....guess I should look into it.
September 12, 2011 10:37 PM - minard lafever
I've been living in the city too long?
How long should one limit one's residency in the city?

September 12, 2011 10:41 PM - Legion
Until one fails to see the bubble we live in for what it is.
September 12, 2011 10:44 PM - Donatella
I read a great article yesterday. It was from a Texas journalist to "Yankee journalists", on Perry. It was funny and interesting. What comes out of that article is that Perry is like the Honey Badger, he doesn't give a shit. He is mentally extremely tough and is extremely powerful in Texas, consolidating the role of governor, seeding every agency with his own people. He was extremely poor, rain cotton farmer parents in West Texas. Literally dirt poor. He is loved in Texas. He is WAY to the right of George Bush. They hate one another. He is no academic, (2.2 grade point average at A&M) but shrewder than shrewd. Like LBJ in that he understands power. He made quick business of Kay Bailey Hutchenson, won every election he ever ran in. He will figure out what needs to be toned down in his Texas act. Here it is.

But let's face it. He is a tough sell north of the Mason Dixon line. Forget the northeast and I can't see him winning the
rust belt states. And Rubio won't be a VP. He has pretty much said it. Rubio will be a star in the National GOP.
My brother in law had lunch with him and said that he is very impressive ("too bad we are on opposite sides of the political spectrum," he said though).

ok, goodnight.

September 12, 2011 10:46 PM - minard lafever
let me add one more thing before I pack it in, Obama's other big hot button issue is Israel. He has not been the most supportive american politician in terms of israeli policies and things in that region are as fraught as ever. A republican who saber rattles may get a lot of mileage out of that issue.

September 12, 2011 10:50 PM - Legion
Hi Donatella,
Perry is a tough sell in the North East but certainly not the Mid-West.
If Ohio defines the rust belt, I would have to point out that they just elected a new Republican Governor there last year, by a large margin.
Ohio is currently trending Red.
September 12, 2011 10:50 PM - Arkady
Legion - I agree: that's what I meant by my last line.
I agree w/ you, too, Minard. The teabags are a Ralph Nader-type spoiler for the GOP.
September 12, 2011 10:52 PM - Legion
Agree Minard,
Isreal is the issue that has, for some reason, become the turning point of tomorrow's election for Weiner's seat.
Mayor Koch stepped in to make it an issue and now the whole city is involved Dems and Reps and everyone in between.
September 12, 2011 10:53 PM - petebklyn
Ohio is becoming communist?
Edited at September 12, 2011 10:53 PM
September 12, 2011 10:55 PM - Arkady
Koch sounds crazed in that radio ad.
Edited at September 12, 2011 10:55 PM
September 12, 2011 10:58 PM - cobblehiller
legion, voting for a republican Gov. in Ohio does NOT equal voting for Perry. Perry is way to the right, assuming that all republicans will vote for him is a mistake. A real mistake. Ohio republicans do not tend to vote for the extreme candidates. In fact, they've gone Democrat in 3 out of 5 of the last Presidential elections.
Edited at September 12, 2011 10:58 PM
September 12, 2011 11:00 PM - Arkady
Ah, good. Cobble's here to defend the sane position so I can say night-nights!
September 12, 2011 11:01 PM - Legion
haha pete,

Red State/Blue State!
By the way, there is a Socialist candidate on the ballot tomorrow too. ;o)

Have a good evening everyone.
September 12, 2011 11:05 PM - Legion
You may be right.
A lot can happen in 14 months as pete pointed out.
I'm not completely sold on Perry myself but he seems like a contender as does Romney.

September 12, 2011 11:50 PM - cobblehiller
Does anyone over 40 here find it even just slightly ironic that we're seeing Patti (Reagan) Davis defending/holding her father over the current crop of republicans? And defending his record of executions against Rick Perry's record. My mind is reeling...
Edited at September 13, 2011 12:23 AM