Tuesday Open Thread
December 20, 2011 6:48 AM - BoerumHillScott

656 comments
December 20, 2011 6:56 AM - DeadCatBounce
Wilbur Ross, 74, another private-equity billionaire, said in an e-mail that entrepreneurship and capitalism didn’t cause the financial crisis.
“Tearing down the rich does not help those less well- off,” said the chairman of New York-based WL Ross & Co. LLC. “If you favor employment, you need employers whose businesses are flourishing.”
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#1
December 20, 2011 7:04 AM - lechacal
Arkady, responding to your closing post last night, I also am a big ban of the bosch in the prado. That and Goya's black paintings. Isn't it some kind of universal truth that miserable, suffering humans make better artists? Real misery, of course, not just Williamsburg style off-the-shelf misery.
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#2
December 20, 2011 7:08 AM - lechacal
Though I don't recall Bosch living in any kind of misery, so I guess my statement only makes 50 percent sense.
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#3
December 20, 2011 7:10 AM - DeLepp
The bosch in the prado was terrific. great memories
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#4
December 20, 2011 7:29 AM - Arkady
Bosch counts since he depicted misery & did a very good job of it.
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#5
December 20, 2011 7:43 AM - rf
Ugh, sore throat.
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#6
December 20, 2011 7:50 AM - DeadCatBounce
I am still getting over the PlusA flu. Started with a sore throat.
Never had much fever, but really debilitating anyway.
I finally took antibiotics and that helped a lot.
Edited at December 20, 2011 7:50 AM
#7
December 20, 2011 7:55 AM - rf
My daughter has had a little cough for a few days now. Of course she is 15 and shrugs it off in a day or two. Not so easy for me!
#8
December 20, 2011 7:56 AM - dibs
Here's a quote that came from the VP of the Portuguese Socialist party yesterday:

An atomic bomb that we can
use in the face of the Germans
and the French: this atomic
bomb is simply that we won't
pay…. Debt is our only weapon
and we must use it to impose
better conditions, because
recession itself is what is
stopping us complying with
the (EU-IMF Troika) accord. We
should make the legs of the
German bankers tremble.

All because they don't want to face any austerity measures. Again, it will be the left that takes down the government(s).
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#9
December 20, 2011 7:59 AM - dibs
DCB, if you had a flu, it's a virus. Antibiotics don't help. Even more importantly, taking antibiotics unnecessarily heightens the severity of the next bout you get with a bacteria!!!!

Why people waste time and money (mostly others money) going to the doctor when they have a cold or flu is just nonsensical.
Edited at December 20, 2011 7:59 AM
#10
December 20, 2011 8:02 AM - lechacal
That quote disgusts me, DIBS.

1. Borrow more than you can afford to pay back.

2. And thus live above your means.

3. Then throw a temper tantrum when the people lending you the money tell you to only spend what you can actually afford.

4. And, of course, blame them for lending to you in the first place (but the big bad financial institution gave me a credit card.... sob sob... and.... sob sob.... I just couldn't help myself!!!).
#11
December 20, 2011 8:02 AM - rf
Sometimes what started as a viral infection spreads into the lungs where it can attract bacteria. Last year I had a bad cold that developed into pneumonia after a week or so and antibiotics were necessary. (First time in many years.)
#12
December 20, 2011 8:04 AM - dibs
Yes, lech, Portugal is no better than North Korea with their threats of an "a bomb" if the rest of the world doesn't give them more.

Well, you know what, we don't need your fucking olives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#13
December 20, 2011 8:05 AM - DeadCatBounce
Not nonsensical.
Bacterial infections often enter the system opportunistically with a virus as the immune system is compromised, making it more difficult to get over either ailment.
Over use of antibiotics is a problem, however.
#14
December 20, 2011 8:08 AM - lechacal
It's good to see a couple of hedge fund / trader types on here practicing medicine.

I could offer a further, marginally informed, anecdote that my mother the doctor always told me it was stupid to take antibiotics on the flu (likewise for many other popular mis-uses of antibiotics).

But we should probably just wait for legion to show up and confirm that.
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#15
December 20, 2011 8:17 AM - lechacal
"Well, you know what, we don't need your fucking olives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I'm sure if their olive industry collapses they will find a way to blame it on someone else. That's the socialist mentality - always a victim, never living with one's own choices.
Edited at December 20, 2011 8:17 AM
#16
December 20, 2011 8:17 AM - BoerumHillScott
At the urgent care clinic I went to in L.A. a few times, there were signs all over the walls that basically said "if you have a cold or the flu, don't waste our time and yours by coming here"
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#17
December 20, 2011 8:20 AM - dibs
"if you have a cold or the flu, don't waste our time and yours by coming here"

EXACTLY
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#18
December 20, 2011 8:20 AM - BoerumHillScott
Kind of like the conservative mentality of blaming the poor economy on federal taxes that are lower than they have been for 76 of the last 79 years?
#19
December 20, 2011 8:20 AM - dibs
Scott, did you go there mainly for STDs?
#20
December 20, 2011 8:26 AM - BoerumHillScott
Ha, as far as I know, I have never had an STD, although there is a high chance I have HPV, like most other people who have multiple partners.
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#21
December 20, 2011 8:27 AM - dibs
TMI
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#22
December 20, 2011 8:30 AM - dibs
Housing starts and building permits better than expected.
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#23
December 20, 2011 8:30 AM - lechacal
"TMI"

I know dibs, it's kind of shocking that someone would admit on the OT to having had multiple partners.
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#24
December 20, 2011 8:33 AM - BoerumHillScott
To clarify, I have never had any symptoms. However, the CDC says "HPV is so common that at least 50% of sexually active men and women get it at some point in their lives."
#25
December 20, 2011 8:33 AM - DeadCatBounce
When it comes to debt management, people apparently have no memory whatsoever.
The same mistakes get made time and time again.
Debt is a useful servant but a terrible master.
Use debt to invest in appreciating assets.
Do not use debt to fuel consumption.

Debt bubbles are only created when both the lender and the borrower act irresponsibly.
The borrower has an exaggerated sense of entitlement.
The lender over extends credit to gain an unfair advantage or for short term greed.
It is always the same.

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#26
December 20, 2011 8:34 AM - DeadCatBounce
Scott, multiple partners at the same time?
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#27
December 20, 2011 8:35 AM - Arkady
lech - Do you use a GPS device to measure your distance running?
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#28
December 20, 2011 8:36 AM - BoerumHillScott
DCB, it has happened, although not in the last couple of years.
At one point in my life it was a somewhat regular occurrence.
#29
December 20, 2011 8:37 AM - lechacal
Yes I do, arkady. I've gone through different devices / applications and have settled on a Garmin Forerunner 405.
#30
December 20, 2011 8:37 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
"I know dibs, it's kind of shocking that someone would admit on the OT to having had multiple partners."

SNORT! (You set yourself up for that one, DIBS!)

GM.
#31
December 20, 2011 8:39 AM - BoerumHillScott
I really want a GPS watch as a expand my running.
I have a terrible time pacing myself, which is why I mostly stick to treadmills exact for races.

Even then, during my last race I forgot my digital watch, and the clock at one of the mile markers was out.
I felt lost.
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#32
December 20, 2011 8:39 AM - dibs
Cobble, there seems to be some snot on your blouse. Laundry time!!!!
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#33
December 20, 2011 8:40 AM - Arkady
There's a piece in the Times today saying that those devices aren't accurate & suggesting how to compensate for their short-comings (NH).
http://tinyurl.com/75dkpcm
#34
December 20, 2011 8:42 AM - dibs
I'm going after Minard today over there>>>>>

he stuck his nose in between me and ET when it wasn't his business!!!!


#35
December 20, 2011 8:48 AM - lechacal
They are slightly inaccurate Arkady, but quite close. For the most part they exaggerate distance covered, and thus give you a slightly low per-mile pace. It's easy to figure out how much any particular device deviates. Mine is pretty close to accurate. My experience with iphone apps is much worse. I haven't read the Times article.
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#36
December 20, 2011 8:50 AM - dibs
Buy T on any selloff due to the T Mobile fiasco. Yield is 6.13% before any selloff.
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#37
December 20, 2011 8:50 AM - BoerumHillScott
The times article was pretty well written, but nothing that anyone who has looked into the watches should not already know.

I think some of the attitudes mentioned is part of a larger trend in society to think that all of our technology is perfect, with zero margin of error.
The GPS system was never designed to be that accurate, especially on the ground when moving.
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#38
December 20, 2011 8:50 AM - dibs
"I haven't read the Times article."

It'll be slanted.
#39
December 20, 2011 8:51 AM - BoerumHillScott
Think there will be a real selloff?
I own T, and I have assumed for months that the deal was dead.
#40
December 20, 2011 8:55 AM - dibs
US Budget...so easy even a game show host can figure it out...

http://www.youtube.com/embed/KV-RqPtT2PU
#41
December 20, 2011 8:55 AM - lechacal
BHS, do you have an iphone with built-in GPS? If so, there are apps you can get. I have an ant+ plugin that will feed heart rate data into the iphone too, as well as a chest belt heart rate monitor, that I'm happy to give you now that I've moved on to the Garmin watch.

Iphone apps do fine smoothed over time, but the instantaneous speed and pace are unreliable. The app I settled on for a while was digifit.
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#42
December 20, 2011 8:56 AM - dibs
Furures showing only a slight selloff and the market will open up so it may not be material. 6.1% is pretty good anyway.
#43
December 20, 2011 8:56 AM - Arkady
He used Google Maps to get "real distance" which may well be in error. Snappy & I have found major discrepancies in their miles estimates.
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#44
December 20, 2011 8:56 AM - lechacal
Just read the times article. It reports watches under-reporting distance, the opposite of what I have found to be the case.

Anyways, I have found that my watch is quite good, though the way I check it is by going online and mapping runs by hand rather than by getting in the car and tripping the odometer or whatnot - i.e., the watcher of the watchmen might be asleep.
#45
December 20, 2011 8:57 AM - lechacal
"He used Google Maps to get "real distance" which may well be in error."

i.e. exactly what I just said I do
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#46
December 20, 2011 8:57 AM - rf
But the report of 4 times around the same track was interesting.
#47
December 20, 2011 8:58 AM - Arkady
dibs - I'd be interested in your take on this article (not from the Grey Lady.)
http://tinyurl.com/7dwhcrk

#48
December 20, 2011 9:02 AM - BoerumHillScott
Jackal, thanks for the offer, but I don't own any Apple products.
Do you use heart rate to help you train?
I tend to ignore it and go with what feels right, which may be one the reasons I am a shitty runner.

Arkady, with Google Maps, have you found issues with the mileage in their directions or with their measuring tools?
Using the measuring tools (mostly on Google Earth), I have never seen any issues.
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#49
December 20, 2011 9:03 AM - lechacal
Going around a track is where the gps devices will have the worst performance. They don't do well with tight turns. OTOH if you're going around a track what do you need gps for??
#50
December 20, 2011 9:05 AM - BoerumHillScott
The map of the runner around the track was interesting, but also pretty close to what I would expect.
If you notice, the largest discrepancy was closer to the building, where it would be harder to get a good signal.

The software tries to estimate the path based on what it does know, and since the next set of good signals is around the curve it will assume the runner was going in a somewhat straight line between.

#51
December 20, 2011 9:07 AM - dibs
Arkady, I'll read it in the next hour. i did notice this, which i strongly believe is right:

"Thirty years after the arrival of the Reagan Revolution, government is bigger than ever. The Reagan years appear to have been little more than a mild speed bump in the progress of ever-larger government. The regulatory state advances relentlessly on every front. "

The size of the government and the amount of meddling and over-regulation is something that hurts the middle class because it stymies job creation.
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#52
December 20, 2011 9:11 AM - dibs
The comical link that I posted has a lot of merit to it. We DO NOT need to cut defense spending nor entitlements. All we need to do is go through the federal government with a scalpel, like a new CEO would do and retire 20% of that bloated workforce in every department. Did you know that there are over 4,000 administrative positions within TSA?????????????????????????????
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:10 AM
#53
December 20, 2011 9:12 AM - lechacal
I used heart rate heavily when I was just starting out. I have always been a casual runner, but I never really got above a few miles at a time (putting aside when I was in the Navy, different story entirely for a while). What I realized when I started trying to do distance is that I was basically running too fast for endurance - I would get my heart rate way up for a couple of miles and crap out. When I made the very simple realization that all I had to do to get more distance was SLOW THE HELL DOWN, I was able pretty quickly to go from casually running a few miles at a time to doing the NY marathon (I trained for maybe 2 1/2 months? Crappy performance in the marathon though). I did that relying heavily on keeping my heart rate in zone so I wouldn't crash out. Limiting my speed was the goal for a while. Now that I'm much better conditioned I'm almost completely ignoring heart rate and I'm starting to work much more on speed. My workouts now are very focused speed workouts - a fast mile maybe, a "tempo" run, this weekend I did 14 miles at exactly an 8:30 pace.

I've read a couple of running blogs that said heart rate is good to focus on when you first start out.
#54
December 20, 2011 9:12 AM - Arkady
What topic were you on w/ Minard?
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#55
December 20, 2011 9:13 AM - dibs
Reagan said " Well, you know, we can lecture our children about extravagance until we run out of voice and breadth. Or we can cure their extravagance by simply reducing their allowance."


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#56
December 20, 2011 9:13 AM - dibs
HOTD
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#57
December 20, 2011 9:15 AM - lechacal
OK actually I guess I did work up to 10 mile runs for a while in the spring of 2009. So not true to say I never did more than a few miles at a time. But that was a relatively brief period and I had completely lost that conditioning by the time I started running this past summer.
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:15 AM
#58
December 20, 2011 9:16 AM - DeLepp
Wow, maybe there will be progress here. They just fired 3 top guys, 2/3 of firm reported to them. They were master strategists of which we have many!
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:16 AM
#59
December 20, 2011 9:19 AM - rf
On January 21st, 1981, President Reagan started with 2,875,000 nonmilitary federal employees.

By the end of Reagan’s terms the total number of nonmilitary federal employees was 3,113,000. That is an INCREASE of 238,000

Let’s move on to President George H.W. Bush.

On January 20th, 1989, total federal nonmilitary employment was 3,113,000
by the end of his only term, President George H.W. Bush had 3,083,000 federal nonmilitary employees on the books. That is a REDUCTION of 30,000 employees.

President Bill Clinton came into office with 3,083,000 and by the END of his TWO TERMS he reduced the number of Federal employees to 2,703,000. That is a reduction of 380,000 federal employees.

Now finally, President George W. Bush came into office with 2,703,000 nonmilitary employees and by the time his terms were through, the total nonmilitary federal employees on the books were 2,756,000, which is an INCREASE of 53,000 employees.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/big-government-obama-reagan
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:19 AM
#60
December 20, 2011 9:20 AM - BoerumHillScott
I've done running off and on over the years, including a half marathon 9 years ago.
I know I will always be a crappy running - I have never been athletic and I am not willing to make the sacrifices to overcome my natural limitations in that area.

This year I have done a lot in the 3 - 5 mile range, and I know that I need to really start breaking out of that zone to prepare myself for the marathon.
#61
December 20, 2011 9:22 AM - dibs
Here's the most dangerous situation:

"demographic trends alone should eventually swamp conservatives and produce a durable liberal majority that will enable a more sweeping redistributionist agenda."

And thus then will the country fall.
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:21 AM
#62
December 20, 2011 9:24 AM - BoerumHillScott
I'll say it again, I think the country is fucked from a federal budget perspective for a while, because people across the political spectrum want more spending that benefit them and they causes, along with less taxes.

I also think it is asinine to not consider the cost of our military, which takes up a huge chunk of the budget and is totally out of line with what any other advanced country in the would spends by any measure.

Edited at December 20, 2011 9:24 AM
#63
December 20, 2011 9:25 AM - BoerumHillScott
That is an awesome report. Now I really want one of those toys.
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:25 AM
#64
December 20, 2011 9:30 AM - lechacal
Doesn't that totally rule BHS? If you're a data geek (guilty! and I suspect you are too) these things are great.
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:30 AM
#65
December 20, 2011 9:32 AM - BoerumHillScott
I'm all about data.
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:32 AM
#66
December 20, 2011 9:32 AM - lechacal
Scott, if you see how consistent my heart rate is throughout that run, that's something that I had to teach myself over time. I wasn't looking at the heart rate at all the whole time (for the most part) but at this point my body knows when it needs to slow down so I don't go anaerobic.
#67
December 20, 2011 9:38 AM - lechacal
Scott, could you do me the favor of removing the link from my 920 am? I can't do so for some reason. I wanted to show you but not sure I want that up here permanently. Thanks.
#68
December 20, 2011 9:38 AM - dibs
House republicans are right here. The Senate's quick fix of a two month extension is ridiculous. The Senate (controlled by the Dems) needs to get back to work and hammer out a year long reduction. For Pelosi to say the republicans don't want a payroll tax for the middle class is utterly ridiculous.

The Dems are in the wrong here. get the tax cut passed for one year.
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:38 AM
#69
December 20, 2011 9:45 AM - lechacal
Snoochie boochies!
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:45 AM
#70
December 20, 2011 9:46 AM - lechacal
Scott, I was able to delete it from my iphone.
#71
December 20, 2011 9:46 AM - petebklyn
I thought Bosch was an appliance maker. I think we have one.

If republicans want an extension -- stick to that one issue -- don't stick your xmas wish list on as a rider.

Doubtful DCB had flu as in influenza...probably bad cold which was starting to get better when he began anti-biotics - so he attributes them to getting better rather than the cold running its course.
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#72
December 20, 2011 9:49 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
Where is that photo, BHS?
#73
December 20, 2011 9:49 AM - DeadCatBounce
DCB is delusional, Pete. Well known fact here on the OT. Try and follow along.
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:49 AM
#74
December 20, 2011 9:50 AM - dibs
The 1% are starting to fight back, and rightly so. They seem to have logic on their side...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-20/bankers-join-billionaires-to-debunk-imbecile-attack-on-top-1-.html
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:50 AM
#75
December 20, 2011 9:52 AM - rf
Is it Grand Army Plaza?
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#76
December 20, 2011 9:54 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
4. And, of course, blame them for lending to you in the first place (but the big bad financial institution gave me a credit card.... sob sob... and.... sob sob.... I just couldn't help myself!!!).

i was just bitching and moaning in my head this morning writing out my student loan money orders. tho i guess it's nice seeing them go down, however so minimal..

*rob*

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#77
December 20, 2011 9:54 AM - BoerumHillScott
I'm not sure where the photo is.
I took it last spring, and it could be somewhere in Manhattan.
If so, I deeply apologize to the Brooklyn loyalists here.
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:54 AM
#78
December 20, 2011 9:55 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
"“Rich businesspeople like me don’t create jobs,” Nick Hanauer, co-founder of aQuantive Inc., an online advertising company he sold to Microsoft Corp. for about $6 billion, wrote in a Dec. 1 Bloomberg View article. “Let’s tax the rich like we once did and use that money to spur growth.”

Two out of three Americans support raising taxes on households with incomes of at least $250,000, according to a Bloomberg-Washington Post national poll conducted in October."
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#79
December 20, 2011 9:58 AM - DeadCatBounce
Well if businesses don't create jobs, then who does?
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:58 AM
#80
December 20, 2011 10:00 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
You're being obtuse, DCB.
#81
December 20, 2011 10:00 AM - Deleted
The pictures from the funeral of Officer Figoski are quite moving. I admire the esprit d'Corps of the NYPD. They maintain their rituals, not only in extraordinary circumstances like this, but in more ordinary moments of life. For instance, they always make a showing at the wake of a parent of a member of the NYPD.

Given that NYS will not apply the death penalty in this case, as it should, I hope that his killer winds up in the same cell as the sicko who set fire to that woman who was torched in Prospect Heights, Delores Gillespie. My prayers go out to Ms. Gillespie. Her final moments were horrific, and hopefully she is now resting in peace.
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#82
December 20, 2011 10:01 AM - lechacal
(make sure you click on "aerial" view so you can see how the gps track matches up to the path I was running on)

wow!
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#83
December 20, 2011 10:04 AM - dibs
Cobble, you are being as obtuse as the politicians.

$250,000 is not the right level to increase taxes.

Maybe $1,000,000 is, maybe $2,000,000 but $250,000 IS NOT.



Edited at December 20, 2011 10:04 AM
#84
December 20, 2011 10:05 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
Fine, make it a million. The point remains.
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:05 AM
#85
December 20, 2011 10:05 AM - DeadCatBounce
We should raise revenues by raising taxes on "the other guys".
Then we should use that money not on some dumb programs that the "other guys" think are good but to "spur growth" which is what the things I like will do.

Edited at December 20, 2011 10:05 AM
#86
December 20, 2011 10:06 AM - dibs
What should be done is make the cap gains tax even lower, say 10% for cap gains under a certain amount like $1-2,000,000 and raise it to 20% for amounts above that.

But creative thinking is not in the tool bag of the Congress.
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:06 AM
#87
December 20, 2011 10:07 AM - dibs
But, the President is sticking with his class warfare rhetoric...what an ass!!!!
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#88
December 20, 2011 10:08 AM - BoerumHillScott
Didn't someone comment earlier about how much GPS watches suck when it comes to tight curves?
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:08 AM
#89
December 20, 2011 10:08 AM - Deleted
Somehow my post got blanked out. Oh well, try again.

I found the pictures of the funeral of Officer Figoski to be quite moving. I admire the esprit d'Corps of the NYPD, and that it maintains its rituals not only in extraordinary moments like this one, but even for more ordinary ones. For instance, they always make a showing at the wake of a parent of a member of the force.

My prayers also go out to Ms. Gillespie, the woman who was torched to death in Prospect Heights. Her final moments were horrific, and I pray that she is now resting in peace.
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:08 AM
#90
December 20, 2011 10:10 AM - petebklyn
"But creative thinking is not in the tool bag of the Congress.' -- that is what happens when republicans have the majority.
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:10 AM
#91
December 20, 2011 10:10 AM - BoerumHillScott
So we keep lowering taxes and run the deficit up higher?

One thing I will Bush II credit for is that he established the theory that taxes can only go down in a way that Reagan only dreamed of.
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:10 AM
#92
December 20, 2011 10:11 AM - dibs
Well Dems have the majority in the Senate, asshole, and it's the Senate that has offered up the asinine 2 month extension.

MORON
#93
December 20, 2011 10:13 AM - dibs
Any of you losers have a Saab???????????????????????
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:13 AM
#94
December 20, 2011 10:13 AM - petebklyn
your cartoon is far far far better example of so-called 'class warfare'. Attacking those whose incomes are meager and subsistence level. Totally changing, distorting and mis-representing anything our president said. Or even reality.

Edited at December 20, 2011 10:13 AM
#95
December 20, 2011 10:14 AM - petebklyn
one of my brothers is big on saabs. Has had quite a few.
#96
December 20, 2011 10:14 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
My prayers also go out to Ms. Gillespie, the woman who was torched to death in Prospect Heights. Her final moments were horrific, and I pray that she is now resting in peace.

did you see my post about her from yesterday about her? apparently she was a hoot. my roommate's boyfriend lives near her and he'd always see her in the bodega dancing and saying "my poooooosy is hungry it needs food" lol. i really hope that doesnt sound like im talking bad of the deceased, just saying that apparently she was quite the neighborhood character. what a shame what happened


*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 10:14 AM
#97
December 20, 2011 10:16 AM - dibs
Whatever. He''s disengaged from the economy and what needs to be done. He's on his path of class warfare and social agenda. he's dangerous.


Edited at December 20, 2011 10:16 AM
#98
December 20, 2011 10:17 AM - BoerumHillScott
Although I must give Regan credit for establishing the fact that Conservative = supporting larger deficits.
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:17 AM
#99
December 20, 2011 10:17 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
"he's dangerous."

Oh baloney. Such reactionary spew. Just because he's not doing what YOU want him to do! LOL!
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:17 AM
December 20, 2011 10:19 AM - dibs
he promulgates the expansion of entitlements and the welfare state. You don't think that's dangerous?????????
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:19 AM
December 20, 2011 10:21 AM - Deleted
DIBS;

I have no time to argue the case today, but feel free to use this article from that "noted" right-winger, Robert Samuelson of Newsweek: "The Welfare State's Reckoning".

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/12/05/the_welfare_states_reckoning_112273.html

For those who don't want to read the whole article, here is the key paragraph:

"The numbers -- to those who don't know them -- are astonishing. In 1870, all government spending was 7.3 percent of national income in the United States, 9.4 percent in Britain, 10 percent in Germany and 12.6 percent in France. By 2007, the figures were 36.6 percent for the United States, 44.6 percent for Britain, 43.9 percent for Germany and 52.6 percent for France. Military costs once dominated budgets; now, social spending does."


December 20, 2011 10:23 AM - lechacal
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December 20, 2011 10:23 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
First of all, DIBS, let's talk about entitlements/subsidies/etc of the corporations in this country! Bail outs! Subsidies! Tax breaks/cuts! When those are GONE, then you can go on ad nauseum about entitlements for individuals.
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:23 AM
December 20, 2011 10:25 AM - More4Less
DIBS, had a saab. nice looking car and spacious but reliability is very so so hence it won't be missed
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:25 AM
December 20, 2011 10:26 AM - dibs
"Bail outs! Subsidies! Tax breaks/cuts!"

that's it, summarily lump everything together and call it bad. You should be writing signs for OWS!!!!

let's start with bail outs. Any idea what would have happened to the economy without them???? Besides, most of them have been paid back WITH INTEREST.

But please, go on and throw out whatever you want to without substantiating the reality behind it. I want to hear more.
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:26 AM
December 20, 2011 10:27 AM - More4Less
things are getting worst for lots of peeps. I once again seeing more peeps collecting the 5c refund cans & bottles - more young and old peeps doing that. particularly disturbing when I see the old old peeps doing that - ie outrageous that they have to be doing this at that age.
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:27 AM
December 20, 2011 10:29 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
well corporate entitlements ARE bad, but that can't be an excuse for the rest of the entitlements. i do agree with social security tho, and medicare (and medicaid if it isnt abused), and unemployment extensions, and i guess food stamps.. but the rest of the freebies gotta go!

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 10:29 AM
December 20, 2011 10:29 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
Just for that...you get this...
December 20, 2011 10:30 AM - DeadCatBounce
M4L, one of the best economic indicators for suffering, is X-Mas cards to Santa.
The more cards, the more the financial distress.
X-Mas cards to Santa now at a new high.
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:30 AM
December 20, 2011 10:30 AM - dibs
i agree, m4l. The government at the federal, state and local levels have gotten so large and beuracratic that they can't actually care for the people who need them most. Politicians are lining their pockets with payback and the "social programs" they sponsor are ill conceived and useless.
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:30 AM
December 20, 2011 10:31 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
things are getting worst for lots of peeps. I once again seeing more peeps collecting the 5c refund cans & bottles - more young and old peeps doing that. particularly disturbing when I see the old old peeps doing that - ie outrageous that they have to be doing this at that age.

if i could figure out WHERE these people are getting money for these empty cans, i will have NO problem raiding my buildings recycling bins on broke days. is there anywhere near me i can get refunds for cans and bottles? i am *not* bringing that shit on the train, so it has to be within walking distance. unless there's some kinda hobo van i can take?


*rob*

December 20, 2011 10:32 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
actually nevermind. i dont think i can pull it off. i can only imagine the sneers i might get in park slope acting like a chinese can lady

*rob*

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December 20, 2011 10:32 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
"things are getting worst for lots of peeps. I once again seeing more peeps collecting the 5c refund cans & bottles - more young and old peeps doing that. particularly disturbing when I see the old old peeps doing that - ie outrageous that they have to be doing this at that age."

I couldn't agree more, lots of these people here in Ditmas Park. Heart breaking to watch.
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:32 AM
December 20, 2011 10:33 AM - DeadCatBounce
Rob, I have a money making idea for you.
The little flip tops on soda (and beer) cans is very high grade aluminum.
Collect a few pounds of them, and you can trade them in for cash at a metal scrap yard.
There are a bunch of scrap yards in Greenpoint.
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:33 AM
December 20, 2011 10:34 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
M4L, one of the best economic indicators for suffering, is X-Mas cards to Santa.
The more cards, the more the financial distress.
X-Mas cards to Santa now at a new high.

what? i only got ONE xmas card this year in the mail, and ONE e-card (thank you btw). lol. i thought it's the other way around.

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 10:34 AM
December 20, 2011 10:35 AM - dibs
Dear Santa:

I have been a relatively good boy this year as compared to other years. I am no longer making the level of income thatI used to therefore I feel compelled to write to you to send me what I'm entitled to. here's my list

1. A 7,000 sq ft Brooklyn heights townhouse, like this one...


http://www.corcoran.com/property/listing.aspx?Region=NYC&listingid=2236450

2. A 1932 Duesenberg Torpedo Phaeton, preferably Murphy bodied.

3. A Bentley Sedan with a hot Asian or latino chauffeur.

4. A butt plug for Cobble's mouth

Thank you

Sincerely,

DIBS
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:35 AM
December 20, 2011 10:37 AM - BoerumHillScott
T is up slightly today.
Looks like the "news" of the t-mobile deal being called off was priced in long ago.

Edited at December 20, 2011 10:37 AM
December 20, 2011 10:38 AM - DeadCatBounce
"4. A butt plug for Cobble's mouth"

I am going for the popcorn!!!!
December 20, 2011 10:38 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
anyone have any new years resolutions?

*rob*

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December 20, 2011 10:39 AM - lechacal
Dear Santa:

Consider the plight of other planets. We Earthlings are fat from too much Christmas for too long. I suggest that you take Christmas to Mars for the next couple of millenia. It's only fair.

Sincerely,
Jackal
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:39 AM
December 20, 2011 10:40 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
4. A butt plug for Cobble's mouth"

LOL. i also really do not understand the point of buttplugs at all.


*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 10:40 AM
December 20, 2011 10:41 AM - DeadCatBounce
Some of the color choices for that Corcoran Townhouse look like the were made by Cookie Monster and Kermit the Frog.
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:41 AM
December 20, 2011 10:41 AM - lechacal
"anyone have any new years resolutions?"

no
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:41 AM
December 20, 2011 10:42 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
Dear Santa:

I have been a relatively good girl this year as compared to other years. I am no longer making the level of income that I used to therefore I feel compelled to write to you to send me what I'm entitled to. here's my list:

1. I want my savings back.
2. I want to know that I won't be eating cat food when I'm 70, if I make it to 70, because the stress of this financial collapse is making me sick, literally.
3. I want to know that my friends and family will be ok financially since I won't be able to help them the way I have in the past and had hoped I would be able in the future.
4. I want a job, so I can work and support myself again.
5. I want a ball gag and some duct tape for his hands so that DIBS will finally STFU.

Thank you,

Sincerely,

Ditmasparker
December 20, 2011 10:42 AM - More4Less
DCB, don't watch from too close distance - the dangerous fallout could be wide ranging. I'm watching it from afar. I foresee a mushroom cloud appearing soon
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December 20, 2011 10:42 AM - dibs
here's a cat tail, butt plug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 20, 2011 10:43 AM - More4Less
M4L is putting up his shield - don't want to be collateral damage
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:43 AM
December 20, 2011 10:44 AM - lechacal
"LOL. i also really do not understand the point of buttplugs at all."


Edited at December 20, 2011 10:44 AM
December 20, 2011 10:44 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
please dont post those kinds of pictures during the day ew totally NSFW.

quote:
5. I want a ball gag and some duct tape for his hands so that DIBS will finally STFU.

just borrow his

*rob*



December 20, 2011 10:46 AM - dibs
Cobble can make herself a new tin hat with the right kind of duct tape....
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:46 AM
December 20, 2011 10:46 AM - More4Less
lech, I still couldn't believe you can't run faster than 6:30 for 1 mile. I know it's been eons ago when I was 50 lbs lighter in HS but I was able to run 5:30-5:40 for 1 mile and that only placed me in middle of the pack in the gym class
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:46 AM
December 20, 2011 10:46 AM - dibs
this is bizarre.....
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:46 AM
December 20, 2011 10:47 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
Just for that...you get this...
December 20, 2011 10:48 AM - More4Less
wow, blackberry stock will soon be attractive - ie below 10
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:47 AM
December 20, 2011 10:48 AM - DeadCatBounce
For the love of God, at least come up with some new Cat Pictures.
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:48 AM
December 20, 2011 10:48 AM - dibs
My ear always perk up when someone mentions RIMM
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:48 AM
December 20, 2011 10:49 AM - rf
From a friend who is Korean-American and has actually been to North Korea:
The whole world is waiting and watching. It all depends on how secure or insecure Un is....whether or not he feels he needs to make a strong statement to the world or just sit back and listen to Eric Clapton CD's.
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:49 AM
December 20, 2011 10:51 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
also is the g spot real? i know in men the gspot is supposedly the prostate (gross), but with women it's this mysterious thing that may or may not be there? is it prostate envy?
i thought the glitoris was the pleasure center of the female anatomy

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 10:51 AM
December 20, 2011 10:51 AM - dibs
If you want to see one of the world's llarger and faster growing countries completely implode, integrate N Korea with S Korea.
December 20, 2011 10:51 AM - rf
quote:
Military costs once dominated budgets; now, social spending does.

And what is wrong with that???
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December 20, 2011 10:51 AM - dibs
"glitoris"

Must we glitterize EVERYTHING???
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:51 AM
December 20, 2011 10:53 AM - dibs
Military costs once dominated budgets; now, social spending does.

And what is wrong with that???


Spoken like a true liberal.
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:53 AM
December 20, 2011 10:55 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
How about this...DCB...(looking at you, DIBS...)
December 20, 2011 10:55 AM - Slopefarm
Oy. Happy Chanukah, everyone!! [Maybe jackal can dredge up my exigesis from last year as to the true meaning of this odd but beloved holiday.]
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:55 AM
December 20, 2011 10:55 AM - Deleted
Rf;

There is nothing wrong with social spending that is affordable. If you read the article, you will see that the problem in the Western nations (and Japan) is that it continues to grow and and consume a large part of our GDP. Look at the statistics he cited.
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:55 AM
December 20, 2011 10:55 AM - BoerumHillScott
I think RIMM has a way to go down.
More companies are coming up with secure e-mail and communications programs for Android and iOS, so corporations don't have the same incentive to stick with blackberry like they once did.

If RIMM was smart, they would start focusing more on the back-end SW side with the goal of extending their awesome service infrastructure to other devices, although Apple will probably never let any piece of software they write run on iOS as long as they still sell HW.
December 20, 2011 10:56 AM - dibs
that runt cat is no match for Ben
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:56 AM
December 20, 2011 10:57 AM - Cobble B. Hiller
Hi Slopey! Great to glimpse you at the party!

Ok, I have to go do stuff today. Must zip on over to Cobble Hill for some necessaries and visit a few peeps.
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:57 AM
December 20, 2011 10:58 AM - BoerumHillScott
I bet South Korea could integrate NK within 10 years, assuming the NK military disappeared.
Germany came out of reunification strong, although there are still a few minor issues left.
December 20, 2011 11:00 AM - dibs
This is not the time and the economy to think about it, Scott. Markets are too nervous about other uncertainty.

Most experts think that N korea will remain uncharacteristically quiet for the next few months as they have internal issues to sort out before showing their face and potentially flexing muscles again.
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:00 AM
December 20, 2011 11:02 AM - rf
I guess Kim Jong Il died at a really inconvenient time. Moron!
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:02 AM
December 20, 2011 11:05 AM - BoerumHillScott
I don't think reunification will happen soon, but if the opportunity came up I think it would be a mistake of epic proportions to pass it up, even if it caused the markets short term anxiety.
It could not cause more anxiety than an even more militaristic regime taking over NK's nukes.
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:05 AM
December 20, 2011 11:05 AM - dibs
I guess Kim Jong Il died at a really inconvenient time. Moron!

WTF is that supposed to mean???? You think your Korean American friend really has any idea what's going on inside North korea??? TOTAL BULLSHIT
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:05 AM
December 20, 2011 11:08 AM - lechacal
Anyone here seen the body? Not that screen shot being shown on state tv. I mean anyone here really know he's dead?

Jusaskin.
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:08 AM
December 20, 2011 11:09 AM - rf
Moron, I was referring to this statement of yours:

This is not the time and the economy to think about it, Scott. Markets are too nervous about other uncertainty.

Do you think the rest of the world can force reunification when it's the right time and the right economy?
December 20, 2011 11:09 AM - dibs
Whether he's really dead or not doesn't really matter if the government is acting like he's dead. maybe he's just brain dead like some people here.
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:09 AM
December 20, 2011 11:11 AM - dibs
I never said anything about forcing reunification. Again, as usual, you're putting words in my mouth. All i was talking about was what the RESPONSE would be given the current environment. Again, reading comprehension.


December 20, 2011 11:12 AM - lechacal
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December 20, 2011 11:12 AM - DeadCatBounce
Kim Jung Il was kind of like a more successful version of "The What".
One of his greatest successes was in outsmarting President Carter, who thought we could bribe him into not being a bad boy.
December 20, 2011 11:12 AM - rf
I guess you don't like namecalling except when it comes from you. Moron!
December 20, 2011 11:13 AM - dibs
I don't like people putting words in my mouth, and you did.
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:13 AM
December 20, 2011 11:14 AM - rf
If he was assassinated (rather than dying of natural causes), that doesn't sound so good for his son.
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:14 AM
December 20, 2011 11:14 AM - bxgrl
Must we glitterize EVERYTHING???

Snappy thinks so. And I want to thank her for the little puff of glitter that fell out of a bag I hadn't used in a year, the other day. Were is she? I'm looking for her.
December 20, 2011 11:16 AM - dibs
"If he was assassinated (rather than dying of natural causes), that doesn't sound so good for his son."

You fail to include the possibility that if his son and the military colluded to do so then it would be good for him. Like I said, no one here knows what's going on in N Korea. To spoeculate is just asinine and a total waste of time.
December 20, 2011 11:17 AM - rf
So you don't think it was a colossal failure of western intelligence not to have known he died 2 days before the announcement?
December 20, 2011 11:19 AM - dibs
it's a moot point. it's a closed country. there's no "western intelligence" inside the country.

Why do you call it a "colossal failure?" What's your agenda with THAT????
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:19 AM
December 20, 2011 11:20 AM - dibs
DCB makes a good point. none of us here can know what "western intelligence " knows.
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:21 AM
December 20, 2011 11:20 AM - DeadCatBounce
RF, how do you know US intelligence didn't know?
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:20 AM
December 20, 2011 11:22 AM - dibs
Small plane crashes on NJ 287
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:22 AM
December 20, 2011 11:23 AM - dibs
" U.S. State, Local Tax Income grows For Eighth Straight Quarter"

Buy NEV. Thank you Meredith Whitney
December 20, 2011 11:24 AM - Deleted
Rf;

Why didn't the New York Times know?!
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:24 AM
December 20, 2011 11:25 AM - rf
DIBS, read for comprehension please! I didn't call it a colossal failure of intelligence, I asked if you thought it was.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/20/world/asia/in-detecting-kim-jong-il-death-a-gobal-intelligence-failure.html

Edited at December 20, 2011 11:25 AM
December 20, 2011 11:25 AM - dibs
benson, that was a colossal failure of the NY Times.
December 20, 2011 11:25 AM - lechacal
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Edited at December 20, 2011 11:25 AM
December 20, 2011 11:25 AM - rf
Any moron can figure out what's going on in an open society. It takes real intelligence to know what is happening in a closed country!
December 20, 2011 11:26 AM - dibs
In so asking, it was your agenda to bring it up as a possibility. nuances in language, rf.
December 20, 2011 11:26 AM - rf
Lechacal, I can't read your legend. Can't you fix it? After all, you are an Excel whiz.
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:26 AM
December 20, 2011 11:27 AM - dibs
lechacal, I can't read the legend in that pie chart


Edited at December 20, 2011 11:27 AM
December 20, 2011 11:27 AM - DeLepp
Maybe Kim Jung Il was at ocean's 8 with us and looked as bad as we felt friday morning and his handlers were baffled.
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:27 AM
December 20, 2011 11:28 AM - lechacal
Maybe you two senior citizens should get better reading glasses then.
December 20, 2011 11:28 AM - bxgrl
RF, cobble - you'll like this one

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/20/nyregion/in-gilded-city-living-wage-plan-still-stirs-fears.html?hp
December 20, 2011 11:28 AM - dibs
I just got new glasses, asshole.
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:28 AM
December 20, 2011 11:31 AM - lechacal
I just typed out a whole funny story about South Korea but then I realized the whole story is still confidential. It relates to the 2008 market disruptions.
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:31 AM
December 20, 2011 11:31 AM - Deleted
Lech, I also can't read it.
December 20, 2011 11:32 AM - rf
Thanks, Bxgrl. Almost as good as another of my favorites:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/19/education/new-york-city-student-testing-over-the-past-decade.html
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:32 AM
December 20, 2011 11:33 AM - BoerumHillScott
I like the NY Times when they stick to facts, but some of their stories don't sound any better than a rabid Fox News commentator.
December 20, 2011 11:35 AM - rf
Scott, ask Wendy about the reliability of standardized testing in NYC. Maybe you haven't lived here long enough.
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:35 AM
December 20, 2011 11:38 AM - Slopefarm
"Maybe you two senior citizens should get better reading glasses then."

Make that four -- benson, and now me. Use a larger font.

Edited at December 20, 2011 11:38 AM
December 20, 2011 11:39 AM - dibs
How does one test whether students are learning if not by testing????
December 20, 2011 11:39 AM - BoerumHillScott
I was really talking about the other article, not the standardized testing on.
But even for the standardized testing one, I would have preferred a writing style that stuck to the facts without trying to be overly clever and witty in places.

Edited at December 20, 2011 11:39 AM
December 20, 2011 11:41 AM - BoerumHillScott
dibs, did you read the article?

It was not really against testing in general, but pointed out that NY State tests over the last 10 years have been unreliable and inconsistent.
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:41 AM
December 20, 2011 11:42 AM - bxgrl
BHS- it was more of a blogger's column than a journalistic article. fwiw
December 20, 2011 11:47 AM - dibs
Buy some TWN. the taiwanese gov't just enacted $16B stabilisation fund to prop up the market
December 20, 2011 11:47 AM - lechacal
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December 20, 2011 11:49 AM - BoerumHillScott
One of the issues I have with the Times and some other news organizations is that they do little to separate their news from their opinion.

It is also common in the Times for some stories and events to only be covered in opinionated columns, and not by articles that are held to objective journalistic standards.

On a more personal notes, I don't like the writing style or approach of many of their columnists.
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:49 AM
December 20, 2011 11:50 AM - lechacal
slightly larger font

December 20, 2011 11:50 AM - BoerumHillScott
Another great chart, although I would probably put "Democrat" down a few percent, and "Dumbass" up to 100.
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:50 AM
December 20, 2011 11:51 AM - dibs
Now fix the pie chart, dumbass.
December 20, 2011 11:52 AM - Deleted
I don't mean to play down the hardships faced by that lady in the Times' piece, but the article really doesn't ask one very hard but pertinent question: why did a woman making $10/hour attempt to buy a house? She was ill-advised to do so, and that poor decision has a lot to do with her predicament.
December 20, 2011 11:54 AM - lechacal
eh, scott, notice a correlation between 1 minus "takes the subway" and 1 minus "dumbass"?
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:54 AM
December 20, 2011 11:54 AM - dibs
Certainly true benson. there's another question that could also be asked but i will leave that for fear of getting jumped on as being uncaring or worse.
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:54 AM
December 20, 2011 11:58 AM - bxgrl
bhs- I think that's a major failing of most media these days. I don't like it much either.

benson- we don't know all her circumstances when she bought the house. But on the other hand, buying may have been cheaper than renting- I've seen that stated many many times on b'stoner and so, who knows. I don't want to get into the old arguments over why people who are poor bought houses they can't afford now, but I am sure she was given to feel confidnet she could afford it at the time.
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:58 AM
December 20, 2011 11:58 AM - BoerumHillScott
I saw the correlation, and I disagree with it, dumbass.
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:58 AM
December 20, 2011 12:00 PM - Deleted
"we don't know all her circumstances when she bought the house. "

But that is really my point. If you are going to advocate for something, do your homework. Make a credible case that considers all the facts.
December 20, 2011 12:00 PM - lechacal
oh yeah? oh yeah? well you're the dumbass, dumbass.
December 20, 2011 12:01 PM - rf
Nap time. I feel like shit.
Edited at December 20, 2011 12:01 PM
December 20, 2011 12:02 PM - dibs
Take some Alka Seltzer cold & flu.
Edited at December 20, 2011 12:02 PM
December 20, 2011 12:03 PM - dibs
No wonder 5th Ave is a zoo...

"NYC Set To Draw record 50.2 Million Tourists in 2011"
Edited at December 20, 2011 12:04 PM
December 20, 2011 12:03 PM - lechacal
sorry to hear that, rf
Edited at December 20, 2011 12:03 PM
December 20, 2011 12:04 PM - BoerumHillScott
I am well aware of my dumbassery.
Edited at December 20, 2011 12:04 PM
December 20, 2011 12:05 PM - Kensingtonian
http://textsfrombennett.tumblr.com

This is not too office safe as the words are pretty bad but no naughty pictures or anything. Funny as hell though. Some inappropriate but still funny as hell.
Edited at December 20, 2011 12:05 PM
December 20, 2011 12:09 PM - More4Less
according to that chart, the Chinaman is a great positive enabler
December 20, 2011 12:11 PM - bxgrl
Would it make a difference knowing she may have had a good job, or a husband with a job and between the 2 of them they could afford it, but no longer? On the other hand, why would a mortgage company or bank give someone on minimum wage a mortgage in the first place?
December 20, 2011 12:16 PM - Kensingtonian
I have a sincere question for mostly OT ladies (Cobble, Rf, Bxgrl). You all seem to have had a professional jobs when you guys were young adults as well as in your 30s. How come you never bought any real estate? It used to be such a cheap period and for the life of me, I don't understand why many more people with professional lives never bought. I keep on thinking that if I was at my age and comperative salary to what I make today, I would have been real estate hoarding left and right.
Edited at December 20, 2011 12:16 PM
December 20, 2011 12:21 PM - Deleted
Bxgrl;

In a word: yes. If someone is asking me to consider a change in my attitude about a law, and uses a person's situation as a reason to do so, I want to know the full circumstances behind it.




Edited at December 20, 2011 12:21 PM
December 20, 2011 12:24 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
"You all seem to have had a professional jobs when you guys were young adults as well as in your 30s. How come you never bought any real estate?"

It's a long story, kens. This is the highly abridged version. I had an opportunity once to buy property in Red Hook when I was in my 20s (1980s). I lacked the vision necessary to take that plunge, and it seemed like an awfully big responsibility which I wasn't ready for. Then I thought I would buy property with my savings and my inheritance when I married. Then I didn't inherit anything because it all went to pay for my father's nursing home. Then my ex didn't want to buy property. And then I needed my savings to live on. Such is life.
December 20, 2011 12:26 PM - CGar
Ugh.
December 20, 2011 12:28 PM - petebklyn
"NYC Set To Draw record 50.2 Million Tourists in 2011" -- that will keep lots of artists employed. Maybe I should take a drawing class or 2.
Edited at December 20, 2011 12:28 PM
December 20, 2011 12:29 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Good morning from San Diego. My mother doesn't still uses dial-up internet and I can only find free wireless when I'm in the bathroom. Toilets were not meant for typing.
Edited at December 20, 2011 12:29 PM
December 20, 2011 12:31 PM - bxgrl
Kens- my circumstances changed- my ex and i were looking at property, then came a series of personal and medical disasters. And a divorce. Wiped me out financially and I've been trying ever since to really get back on my feet. It's tough as a freelancer and my last professional full time job ended in 12/2008. But I am hoping to get a place now, up in Troy.
Edited at December 20, 2011 12:31 PM
December 20, 2011 12:31 PM - sixyearsandcounting
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2011/12/european_financial_crisis_is_europe_a_mess_because_germans_work_hard_and_greeks_are_lazy_.html

"It’s true that Germans and Greeks work very different amounts, but not in the way you expect. According to the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, the average German worker put in 1,429 hours on the job in 2008. The average Greek worker put in 2,120 hours. In Spain, the average worker puts in 1,647 hours. In Italy, 1,802. The Dutch, by contrast, outdo even their Teutonic brethren in laziness, working a staggeringly low 1,389 hours per year."

"The truth is that countries aren’t rich because their people work hard. When people are poor, that’s when they work hard. Platitudes aside, it takes considerably more “effort” to be a rice farmer or to move sofas for a living than to be a New York Times columnist."
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December 20, 2011 12:34 PM - More4Less
Kens, for me, memory-wise, real estate always felt like a solid investment and cheaper setup than renting (ie a 3 family house which one rents out 2 units can allow owner to live with no cash outlay and possible be slightly positive cashflow). but it didn't look / feel cheap till say around '96-98 (ie a potential hoarding oppty). of course in hindsight, tons of BK looks very cheap now as we think back to prices before 2002 - ie I couldn't bought a big 2 bdrm in BK Heights in '99-'00 for around 240k (which is now over close to 700k or more)
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December 20, 2011 12:36 PM - dibs
But none of the greeks pay any taxes.
December 20, 2011 12:36 PM - etson
What % of the population of each country counts as 'workers'?

Not that I agree with bashing Southern Europe relative to northern Europe on vague notions of national character. The German surplus / economic strength exists largely because of the southern European deficits and the rest of the Eurozone has effectively subsidized German industry for years.
December 20, 2011 12:38 PM - Deleted
Six;

The key word missing from that statement: productivity. The Germans have it, the Greeks don't.
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December 20, 2011 12:39 PM - dibs
I see IJ has started a new business....
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December 20, 2011 12:40 PM - petebklyn
"But none of the greeks pay any taxes." - they must all be republicans.
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December 20, 2011 12:40 PM - etson
Real estate for me:
- Bought apartment in London when I was 22
- Did not buy a main place in NYC because: 1) wanted to get Green card first, 2) what I wanted at the time was always just out of reach and didn't want to tie up all my savings in real estate, 3) intermittent periods of of job insecurity for various reasons
- Don't have much immigration status up here, so would be hard to get a mortgage & think prices here are nuts.
December 20, 2011 12:41 PM - petebklyn
senior discounts? IJ didn't tell me that.
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December 20, 2011 12:41 PM - CGar
"entrepreneurship and capitalism didn’t cause the financial crisis"

I thought we all agreed that dave caused the financial crisis?
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December 20, 2011 12:43 PM - Deleted
Etson;

I was up in Ottawa last week, and the place felt "bubbly" to me. I then read in the local paper that the personal indebtedness of Canadians is the highest in the developed world (which surprised me). Apparently they are using their home equity as an ATM. I think we know where that story ends.
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December 20, 2011 12:43 PM - petebklyn
aren't prices in London super-nuts? way more pricey than NYC and Toronto combined?
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December 20, 2011 12:45 PM - CGar
PB, I love that you own real estate in 2 major cities and don't live in either of them!
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December 20, 2011 12:45 PM - dibs
Penthouse in Knightsbridge just sold for $157 MM. it's gotta be Middle East money
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December 20, 2011 12:47 PM - Kensingtonian
Thanks ladies. So not like it wasn't on the radar, just that personal situation led you to not buy for one reason or another. It just always floors me when I meet people who never bought anything and are in their 50's and have professional jobs and never been relocated for work or anything like that. Real estate was super cheap in early 90's. First thing my sister did when she got her first job is bought an apartment in '98. She didn't take a plunge and buy a 100K one bedroom in Gramercy park because she was afraid to get that kind of mortgage and instead bought a one bedroom in my hood for 20K. This 20K investment gave her a very good head start to purchase bigger houses/apartments when she got married and had kids.
December 20, 2011 12:48 PM - etson
Didn't know that stat about personal indebtedness, benson. Mortgage requirements (downpayment & income ratios) are still tougher up here than in the US. Rates are only fixed for up to 5 years in general.

A lot of Canadians seem to think that the country's recent relative economic strength (or at least resilience) is due to some innate virtue, but it's mainly because the it is a big commodity exporter of course. If commodities weakened materially for a few years the economy here would nosedive. I still would not expect a banking crisis here, however.
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December 20, 2011 12:49 PM - etson
Central London prices are pretty crazy. Suburban prices comparable to NYC and Toronto.
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December 20, 2011 12:53 PM - BoerumHillScott
I have owned 4 different houses I lived in, and all but 1 were bad financial decisions due to short lengths or stay and/or bad real estate markets. I would have been much better off renting.
The one that I ended up making money on was because my company bought it as part of a relocation package, otherwise it would have been a loss as well.

It is easy to look back in time and see that the 90s market was cheap in NYC, but there was no guarantee at the time that it would go up. People who bought in 2005 looked real smart in 2007, but not so smart in 2009.
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December 20, 2011 12:55 PM - etson
And with that... I am heading home & then to the airport. Happy Christmas / holiday everyone!
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December 20, 2011 12:56 PM - dibs
Since 1985, I have owned or co-owned 14 properties of which 5 were spec rehabs and 2 were rental properties. i lost a small amount of money on one of the spec rehabs and I'll lose money on brooklyn but very little if I figure in the opportunity cost gains/losses of moving from the Manhattan condo with high CCs and RE taxes.
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December 20, 2011 12:57 PM - More4Less
Scott, in 96-97 in Manhattan, it was materially cheaper to buy than to rent and prices have dropped a lot. Albeit I didn't have the savings to take plunge myself, I certainly felt like it was cheap when I tagged along with buddies looking at aptmts back then. 2 of my buddies was in hoarding mode (ie they were making good money and had the savings along with family money) from 96 to 99 and made a killing
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December 20, 2011 12:57 PM - petebklyn
Merry Christmas Etson. and Boxing Day and all.
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December 20, 2011 12:58 PM - BoerumHillScott
A house across the street from the one we bought for $117 in 1996 is listed at $169.
A house in the same development we bought for $221 in 1999 is listed at $230.

Both are in a nice suburb of Birmingham, AL.
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December 20, 2011 12:58 PM - dibs
you headed to London, etson. Happy Christmas and safe flight.
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December 20, 2011 12:59 PM - Kensingtonian
Scott, it was no guarantee that it would go up but buying a coop in the 90's was still cheaper than overall renting in a long run and it gave you a piece of mind to not be kicked out of your own apartment.

In Russia, before 90's, everyone had their own apartments so I grew up with mentality that renting is just not good for the soul. I am even ready to pay a premium to own a place as it gives me a chance to renovate it anyway I like and a piece of mind that as long as I pay my mortgage and maintenance, no landlord can tell me to leave at his/her liking. Moving stuff is a hassle and with a rental I wouldn't want to invest even in a paint job as I'll be worried that I'll be kicked out in a year. No incentives to keep your place neat and stuff as well as no incentives for neighbors to be friendly. There are a lot of non monetary privileges with owning places that DIBS and others have discussed before.
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December 20, 2011 12:59 PM - dibs
You have to gauge whether properties are cheap or expensive within the context of where interest rates are. Right now, rates are at historic lows and properties are down in absolute price from their highs.
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December 20, 2011 1:00 PM - Deleted
The only thing I would add to what Scott just said is that NYC in the early 90's looked like it was going down the tubes, and fast. The number of murders hit an all-time high, we had riots that were symptomatic of the state of race relations and companies were still leaving. It was far from clear, at that point in time, that the city would recover.

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December 20, 2011 1:00 PM - petebklyn
if not buying - best to find r/s apartment rental.
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December 20, 2011 1:01 PM - dibs
Also, rates were high in the early 90s...not as high as the late 70s/early 80s, but like 7%+
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December 20, 2011 1:02 PM - BoerumHillScott
I grew up with a similar attitude that owning is better than renting, which is why I have owned a house since I was 23, with only a 9 month break before my current situation where I am renting here but also renting out my old place in L.A.

There are certainly lots of intangible benefits of owning, but the financial benefits are often overstated, especially when the costs associated with buying and selling are taken into account.
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December 20, 2011 1:03 PM - DeLepp
In the 90s most of my friends weren't sure we would stay in NYC and since my apt was rent controlled and in decent shape I didn't see a reason to take a chance when down payment was better spent on travel.
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December 20, 2011 1:04 PM - petebklyn
and to add to benson, real estate crash of that era was very fresh, many coop buildings converted from rental but still mostly rental - and financial of those buildings very shaky.
And mentality of people for decades (70's, 80's) was that more neighborhoods deteriorate than gentrify.

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December 20, 2011 1:04 PM - Deleted
Merry Christmas Etson.

Those who say that it was cheaper to buy than rent in 90's NYC have perfect 20-20 hindsight.

Right now, the prices of homes in Detroit are cheaper than their construction cost. They're a bargain Anybody want to pick one up? How confident are you that the city will recover?
December 20, 2011 1:05 PM - dibs
Our assistant here is really PISSED. she's opening the mail, which includes Christmas cards and one of them messed glitter all over her desk.
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December 20, 2011 1:06 PM - DeLepp
A scenario from an owner, Carrol gardens 2 bedroom
$185K in 1988
$115K in 1999
$475K in 2005
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December 20, 2011 1:07 PM - petebklyn
I can't believe just had to send lesbi address of friends apt we're going to tonight in astoria. Have been plenty of times.
Wants it for that idiots website 'hopstop' -- for those too lazy or moronic to use a map and figure out.
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December 20, 2011 1:08 PM - DeadCatBounce
Kens - I am 55 and have owned various property.
My wife and I bought the apt we live in now just last March.
To me the decision always feels the same. There is always trepidation, the future never is certain, and everything is always too expensive.

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December 20, 2011 1:09 PM - Kensingtonian
Good points Benson. Many of my sister's friends never saw an option of raising their kids in Brooklyn or NYC in late 90's so very few bought here. Most who had good jobs bought in LI or North Jersey and a bunch have sold and moved to NYC since then.
December 20, 2011 1:09 PM - dibs
benson, big issue in Detroit now is that the governor wants to take control over the whole mess and the locals are yelling racism because the control appointed by the governor happens to be white and all of detroits management is black... and of course, because they've done such a good job to date!!!!!
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December 20, 2011 1:10 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
oh i HATE this time of year, it's a fucking zoo outside in soho with shoppers. where these people get their money from? they all look unempoyed! seriously! not to mention i got elbowed in the head by some obnoxious queenpole. and then every store is kept like 5000 gazillion degrees, SO gross.

*rob*

December 20, 2011 1:12 PM - Slopefarm
Early 90s, Mrs. Slopey and I were both in graduate school and in no position to buy. In '96 we were both finally working f/t and we decided we needed a bigger place, but we really were new at professional life and had to be cajoled by a friend into considering coops as opposed to rentals. It was a good thing we did as the apt gave us leverage to buy a house later, but a mistake we didn't dream a bit bigger then, get a small S. Slope 2-fam. Lower carrying costs, big appreciation and we could have reno'd without trading up. It just wasn't part of our thinking then.
December 20, 2011 1:13 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
lol detroit. i noticed curbed has their own detroit board, and ive been reading it and it's hysterical. it's as if not a single black person lives in that entire city! what bizarre coverage. just proves that moonfacecentric real estate (and most blogs except for world star hiphop) blogs are. sometimes i dont even like the internet anymore.


*rob*

December 20, 2011 1:15 PM - Deleted
Some older industrial cities have taken a realistic approach to their future - Youngstown, OH and Rochester, NY in particular. Their leadership understands that their go-go days are behind them, and they will never be what they once were (at least for the forseeable future). As such, they are actively managing a reduction of the city: demapping whole neighborhoods and reverting them back to parkland. It's not fun, as some people have to be relocated, but it's a wise move. They reduce their operating expenses, and the parkland makes them more attractive places to live and work. It's the equivalent to a corporate restructuring that is sometimes necessary.
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December 20, 2011 1:15 PM - Slopefarm
btw, interesting line of discussion kens started. I wonder if there's a market for a blog that focuses on that sort of thing?
December 20, 2011 1:16 PM - Deleted
Some older industrial cities have taken a realistic approach to their future - Youngstown, OH and Rochester, NY in particular. Their leadership understands that their go-go days are behind them, and they will never be what they once were (at least for the forseeable future). As such, they are actively managing a reduction of the city: demapping whole neighborhoods and reverting them back to parkland. It's not fun, as some people have to be relocated, but it's a wise move. They reduce their operating expenses, and the parkland makes them more attractive places to live and work. It's the equivalent to a corporate restructuring that is sometimes necessary.
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December 20, 2011 1:18 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Moving stuff is a hassle and with a rental I wouldn't want to invest even in a paint job as I'll be worried that I'll be kicked out in a year. No incentives to keep your place neat and stuff as well as no incentives for neighbors to be friendly.

that's not true, at least not for me. ive painted the walls of every apartment ive lived in. right now they are black, hot pink, and lime. my neighbors are super friendly, and i clean the apartment all the time. regardless if i get kicked out tomorrow. ive found it the opposite. most people who own houses generally live in dumps, cuz they never get restart.

*rob*

December 20, 2011 1:20 PM - petebklyn
weren't NYC planners talking about same sort of thing back in late 60's, 70's?
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December 20, 2011 1:21 PM - Deleted
Pete;

Yes, even into the 80's, there was a lot of talk about shrinking NYC. Hard to believe nowadays, but it was a viable option back then.
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December 20, 2011 1:25 PM - Slopefarm
Yes, benson, I believe "planned shrinkage" was the term (and no, it's not a reference to a Seinfeld episode).
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December 20, 2011 1:26 PM - petebklyn
what influenced me to buy multifamily was meeting(well an affair actually) with someone who lived in florida who owned and lived in multifamily and I saw what a good gig it was. If that didn't happen, maybe I'd still be living in that r/s studio apartment(on much nicer block than I live on now).
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December 20, 2011 1:26 PM - dibs
(well an affair acutally)

Do tell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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December 20, 2011 1:28 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
plus taxes never go away, so it's kinda like you really dont own crap and you are FOREVER indebted to the local government. screw that! plus it's pointless cuz prop taxes are for things like schools and roads and crap things i will NEVER use.


*rob*

December 20, 2011 1:28 PM - petebklyn
others may not agree but I believe biggest reason in population turnaround in this city was the major increase in immigration to this country ---and we are still big entry port for that.
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December 20, 2011 1:28 PM - CGar
"I didn't see a reason to take a chance when down payment was better spent on travel"

travel = booze
December 20, 2011 1:30 PM - CGar
OMFG, I am so exhausted that all I want to do is go home and sleep. I barely slept at all last night, waking up every 15 minutes from 3:45am on.
December 20, 2011 1:30 PM - dibs
"Most of the money I spent on women and alcohol. The rest I wasted."
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December 20, 2011 1:30 PM - Legion
benson,
I've been following that story of the Police Officer shot and killed on duty in East New York.
That's my old precinct, the 75th, the more things change the more they stay the same.
That's the neighborhood where I understood the true price of misguided social engineering,
those young men that were involved in that murder never understood the idea of an honest day's work.

That officer is a true hero.
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December 20, 2011 1:32 PM - dibs
Legion, which is why Gingrich's idea of providing (not forcing) jobs for less fortunate kids is a good one.
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December 20, 2011 1:32 PM - More4Less
benson, no hindsight involved back then. my buddies and I were looking at places t rent in manhattan in 96. after looking for a while, a buddy said we should check out places to buy as his dad said prices were down a lot. when we did the math at the time, rents were 10-12% higher than owning comparables and that was before impact of deductions on tax returns.
December 20, 2011 1:34 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
others may not agree but I believe biggest reason in population turnaround in this city was the major increase in immigration to this country ---and we are still big entry port for that.


immigration from where!? ohio!?

*rob*

December 20, 2011 1:34 PM - CGar
"Most of the money I spent on women and alcohol. The rest I wasted."

Obviously I missed something by not reading all of this morning's OT. Will someone clue me in about why dave is now spending all his money on women. I didn't get the memo.
December 20, 2011 1:35 PM - petebklyn
china, latin america, russia, and new jersey.
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December 20, 2011 1:35 PM - Legion
very true dibs,

these days though, every time Gingrich makes a nuanced point about some social issue, it becomes fodder to be filtered through the media.

So the idea that kids can contribute to the upkeep of their own society becomes:
kids are now being forced to work in coal mines.
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December 20, 2011 1:36 PM - petebklyn
you guys going on record as gingrinch supporters?
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December 20, 2011 1:36 PM - dibs
It was just a quote from a hedge fund guy who got arrested.

Is this better....

"Most of the money i spent on hustlers, Thai go go boys and alcohol. the rest i wasted."
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December 20, 2011 1:37 PM - dibs
I support Gingrich. he's the most realistic one of the lot, including Obama.
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December 20, 2011 1:38 PM - dibs
I think I'd rather see Obama win than Romney and then get a Republican controlled House AND Senate.
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December 20, 2011 1:38 PM - Legion
The motto in the 75th precinct used to be this:
"Give us 10 minutes and we'll give you a dead body"
it was a take on the 1010 wins news motto "give us 10 minutes and we'll give you the world.

New York used to rack up 2000 murders a year in those days.
December 20, 2011 1:38 PM - petebklyn
sounds more like wc fields line.
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December 20, 2011 1:38 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
lol @ NJ.

NJ > NYC

*rob*

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December 20, 2011 1:39 PM - Legion
dibs,
I tell you,
aside from his personal failings,
Gingrich would make this year's Presidential race one to remember.
It would be a true ideological battle. Gingrich has the smarts to articulate hard edged solutions for problems often mired in doublespeak.
December 20, 2011 1:43 PM - bxgrl
Kens- a lot of people didn't buy because it seems the stigma associated with renting is a relatively new phenomenon. I grew up in rentals, so did all my friends and much of my family. It was no big deal. My parents pushed me to get a good education, and my father never cared about owning property- he only cared about providing for us, no matter what it took. Plus in the Bronx, there are far more apartment buildings than single or 2 family homes so maybe that has alot to do with it.
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December 20, 2011 1:43 PM - dibs
NJ > NYC

If it were then it would be NYC
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December 20, 2011 1:44 PM - rf
I bought a condo in Clinton Hill in 1989. Of course everything crashed right after that, but I remember the day in 2000 when I suddenly realized that selling was possible. My professional life crashed after 9/11 and I sold in 2007. That's my "retirement" money/college fund/rainy day and here it is. Bought in what was the ghetto in 1989, moved to the ghetto in 2007, but neither is ghetto at all.
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December 20, 2011 1:44 PM - petebklyn
such as calling ryan's medicare dismantling right-wing social engineering?
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December 20, 2011 1:45 PM - petebklyn
nap time
December 20, 2011 1:46 PM - dibs
So what line of work were you in before 9/11???
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December 20, 2011 1:49 PM - Legion
pete,
I wouldn't call it "dismantling" if the system is set to go bankrupt in 7 years according to the CBO.
The proposals being made are based on the following choice:

A. Keep medicare as it stands and wait until 2017 when it becomes insolvent, meaning it cannot pay for itself any longer.

B. Address the issues that are driving it to bankruptcy such as the fact that when it was instituited the average life expectancy was 65 not 75 and that it wasn't meant as a disability fund for 30 year olds.

The hard choices have to be made unfortunately.
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December 20, 2011 1:51 PM - CGar
300
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December 20, 2011 1:52 PM - CGar
301
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December 20, 2011 1:53 PM - CGar
"My professional life crashed after 9/11"

rf, were you a hooker???

:-) Well, you are being uncharacteristically coy . . .

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December 20, 2011 1:53 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
when solar powered electricity becomes mad cheap, i plan to just squat in abandoned or unsold properties. why pay for housing if you can get it for free?

*rob*

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December 20, 2011 1:54 PM - dibs
WTF...I just logged into facebook after many months away and there are so many PLUSAs wanting to be my friend. Why do you want to be my friend there but not here??????????????????????????????????????
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December 20, 2011 1:54 PM - CGar
Much better, dave, thank you.
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December 20, 2011 1:55 PM - dibs
Did I ask, CGar????????????
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December 20, 2011 1:55 PM - DeadCatBounce
"So what line of work were you in before 9/11???"
CIA anti terrorist intelligence gatherer?

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December 20, 2011 1:56 PM - Legion
*rob*
You must of heard of that group of people in the 1980's who squatted in buildings in Loisada long enough to own them.
Somebody should make a movie about that.
December 20, 2011 1:56 PM - Legion
My guess is that rf worked for the NY Times. ;o)
December 20, 2011 1:58 PM - CGar
YES, MORON, YOU DID:

"Is this better....

"Most of the money i spent on hustlers, Thai go go boys and alcohol. the rest i wasted.""
December 20, 2011 2:05 PM - dibs
Oh, i thought that you thought i was asking how you felt
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December 20, 2011 2:05 PM - Legion
I wonder if the West "worked" on Kim Jong Un while he was away at college in Switzerland?

A sort of Manchurian candidate in reverse. That would be a good plot for the next hot political thriller.
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December 20, 2011 2:07 PM - DeadCatBounce
Legion, I can only hope that we are half as smart as that.
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December 20, 2011 2:07 PM - dibs
red velvet cupcakes in the kitchen here if anyone cares!!! Don't say I didn't tell you.
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December 20, 2011 2:08 PM - rf
1. small town newspaper reporter, followed by other quasijournalism/writing jobs
2. low to mid-level hospital manager/administrator
3. tech job in printing/graphics (the job no longer exists--designers do it themselves)
4. assistant to director for an adoption agency (dealt only with China, China restrictions drove the agency out of business); was planning to get MSW degree but it wasn't feasible without a supervised job in the field
5. personal organizer and misc. other poor-paying crap
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December 20, 2011 2:08 PM - dibs
Is Kim Jong Il going to be forever on display like Mao??????

Is any of his hair on ebay yet?????
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December 20, 2011 2:10 PM - rf
Cgar, my sympathy and empathy. If it is stress- and/or angst-related, some pharmaceutical help may be worth a try. Not popular here, but it's helped me a lot.
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December 20, 2011 2:10 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
blech @ red velvet cake. that's so suburban hausfrau's night out in the city

*rob*

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December 20, 2011 2:16 PM - Slopefarm
"blech @ red velvet cake. that's so suburban hausfrau's night out in the city"

Agreed. It's just food coloring, people!!


December 20, 2011 2:19 PM - dibs
Don't you think i know that? It's just good cake, that's all. But real red velvet has a touch of cocoa in it too
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December 20, 2011 2:22 PM - More4Less
Rob, then get out of my way as I rush up to get me some of that cake.
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December 20, 2011 2:25 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
ha! really it's just red food coloring? i actually didnt know that. i thought it was just some random flavor. are you SURE cuz i half 1/2 a blue velvet cupcake at work a few weeks ago and i swear it was berry flavored.

*rob*

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December 20, 2011 2:31 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SOMEONE AT WORK JUST NOW TOLD ME THAT WHEN WOMEN GIVE BIRTH, THAT THEY SHIT THE BED. IS THIS TRUE!?!?
GUH ROSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

*ROB*

December 20, 2011 2:34 PM - Donatella
Yes, Officer Figoski was a hero.

Re real estate, crime actually was a motivator for me to buy. I was living in a walkup owned by my Staten Island landlord, Joe Gallo (kid you not). Koch had implemented Operation Pressure Point, which was to get rid of drug dealing operations which operated out of the lower East side. He was successful. They moved to the Upper east side. One in my building. So there were druggies around 24/7. I got burglarized 3 times. The last time I said this is it (after flipping out on the drug dealers who I had avoided like the plague till then). I had a great place and was happy as a clam till the druggies moved there. But it was a good thing. I bought a coop in Brooklyn Heights and I couldn't BELIEVE how great Brooklyn was. In every way.
December 20, 2011 2:34 PM - dibs
Blue velvet....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-DjluKLY14


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December 20, 2011 2:37 PM - Donatella
Meant to say Operation Pressure Point was to shut down stores that operated as drug dealing operations. I got one in my building on the Upper East Side when the hardware store below me moved. It was very bad.
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December 20, 2011 2:37 PM - lechacal
LOL @ trashing red velvet cake. It totally is just food coloring. It's just cake.... that's red. That's it people, cake that's colored red. Women in their 30s and 40s go all moist over that stuff and I've never understood why. I bet if you handed a mid-30s white woman from Park Slope a Stieg Larssen book with a piece of red velvet cake on top she would have an orgasm.
Edited at December 20, 2011 2:37 PM
December 20, 2011 2:43 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
I bet if you handed a mid-30s white woman from Park Slope a Stieg Larssen book with a piece of red velvet cake on top she would have an orgasm.

youre being such a mistoginiss!!

*rob*

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December 20, 2011 2:46 PM - lechacal
Re the small plane crash on 287 in NJ - two MDs from Greenhill; one had wife and kids on board; no survivors.
December 20, 2011 2:46 PM - Slopefarm
rob, did you mean to say "misogynist," "Mr. Guinness" or "meshugenah"? (Or D, all of the above, which may just be the correct answer.)
December 20, 2011 2:47 PM - Deleted
Donatella;

You're showing your age ;-) I'm not sure most folks here know who crazy Joey Gallo was. My mom grew up with him in the same building in Red Hook and was even a classmate.
December 20, 2011 2:48 PM - DeadCatBounce
No Slopey. Rob said "mistoginiss", as in "mist". Get with the program!!!!
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December 20, 2011 2:49 PM - CGar
So, rf, were you a hooker before or after you were a personal organizer?
Edited at December 20, 2011 2:49 PM
December 20, 2011 2:50 PM - CGar
No pharmaceuticals for me, rf, but thanks.
December 20, 2011 2:53 PM - BoerumHillScott
I'll take CGar's pharmaceuticals.
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December 20, 2011 2:54 PM - Deleted
For those who don't know: Joey Gallo was a relatively minor figure in the mafia who was based in Red Hook. Despite being a relatively minor figure, he was well-known in New York, and he was given the title "Crazy" Joey Gallo. He was given this title because he wanted the mafia to think in new ways, and hence was thought of as crazy.

His antics were tolerated for some time by the big boys, but then he was gunned down in Umberto's Clam House in Little Italy (again, a famous incident). His sin? He was basically trying to organize a "black mafia", and the old-timers wanted no part of it.

The other reason he was called crazy was that he had a pet Lion, and his minnions walked it through the streets of Red Hook.


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December 20, 2011 2:54 PM - Donatella
ha, Benson.
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December 20, 2011 2:59 PM - Arkady
Real red velvet cake has cocoa in it which gives the reddish cast & the velvet texture. If it's just food colored it's not really red velvet.
Edited at December 20, 2011 2:59 PM
December 20, 2011 3:00 PM - dibs
lech...it was a single engine plane. never, as long as I live, will I fly in a single engine plane.
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December 20, 2011 3:00 PM - Donatella
Well to confess, it was Joe Gallo and he was mob, but he was a different one. His whole village from Italy lived in the houses on first Avenue between 90 and 91st. They were literally from the same village, all around there. Across the street from me was the best Pizza/Italian restaurant and there were characters who hung around there, all from the same Italian town. I was in Yorkville on Saturday and I can't believe how that neighborhood has changed. All of 86th Street used to be German bakeries, restaurants, stores. All the ethnic traces in that neighborhood are gone now.
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December 20, 2011 3:00 PM - lechacal
Was he the guy who acted all nutso and would walk around in his bathrobe on the street and stuff to make the feds think he was too loony tunes to be running any kind of operation when in fact that's exactly what he was doing?
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:00 PM
December 20, 2011 3:01 PM - Deleted
Donnie Brasco is a great movie. Perhaps the most realistic picture of the modern-day mafia (as opposed Scorcese's over-hyped nonsense).
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:01 PM
December 20, 2011 3:01 PM - Donatella
no, different gangster.
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:01 PM
December 20, 2011 3:01 PM - Legion
Interesting benson,
that lion story must be the inspiration for Sonny "Black" in Donnie Brasco giving that lion away.
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December 20, 2011 3:02 PM - dibs
Leave the gun, take the cannoli.
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December 20, 2011 3:02 PM - Slopefarm
Decades ago, dona, I used to get great burgers at a German place on E. 86 called Brochetteria (or something like that, and yes, I know it doesn't sound German, but it was). My grandfather had a store a few doors down.
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:02 PM
December 20, 2011 3:03 PM - Deleted
Lech;

No, that was Vinny "the chin" Gigante. The ironic thing about him was that his brother was a priest who did alot of work in the South Bronx.
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December 20, 2011 3:04 PM - Donatella
I was the biggest Scorcese fan ever. I think that he is the direct American link to Italian neo-realism, which he loved (married Rosselini's daughter and she complained he was always pumping her for stories about her father). But he changed a lot once he got his American wiseguy theme and it hardened into something creepy. But his early movies, to me, were the best. Especially Mean Streets.
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December 20, 2011 3:04 PM - Slopefarm
benson, speaking of mob movies, next gathering, remind me to tell you a story about Prizzi's Honor (I know, not a real mob movie, but still).


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December 20, 2011 3:04 PM - lechacal
I've gotten in single-engine planes plenty of times. My kid brother flies them. He likes to do a trick where he revs the engine and points the nose up and then kills the engine and points the nose down so you go weightless for a little bit. You can put a pen in front of your nose and let go and it just hovers there. Low-performance single-engine plane crashes are highly survivable. This guy had a high-performance (ie fast) plane and it sounds like it wasn't the engine that was the problem at all.
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December 20, 2011 3:06 PM - Donatella
cool, Slopey. I probably went to your grandfather's store.
December 20, 2011 3:06 PM - rf
From wikipedia:

As a Catholic priest at St. Athanasius Church in the South Bronx, Father Louis Gigante was one of the leading proponents of tenant rights reform in the late 1960s.[1] In the fall of 1968, he founded the South East Bronx Community Organization (SEBCO) with funds from the federal Section 8 housing program, through which tenants pay 30 percent of their income in rent and the federal government pays the difference, which was generally considered to be one of the organizations most responsible for the economic and civic rehabilitation of the depressed South Bronx area. By 1981, Father Gigante had orchestrated the construction and rehabilitation of 1,100 federally subsidized apartments in the Hunts Point section of the South Bronx.[2] Father Gigante himself has claimed credit the rejuvenation of the Bronx, saying "I brought the neighborhood up from ashes to help the people in the South Bronx. There isn't one other organization that can take credit."

Are you a fan, Benson?
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December 20, 2011 3:07 PM - lechacal
I've never been interested in mob movies, or the mob. That whole scene just strikes me as gross.
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:07 PM
December 20, 2011 3:08 PM - Slopefarm
Store closed in the late 70s, dona. Sold appliances, electronics, etc.
December 20, 2011 3:09 PM - lechacal
My uncle built a single-engine plane by hand. He keeps it in the back field at his place up in Vermont. It can take off and land in as little as 100 feet or something like that.


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December 20, 2011 3:10 PM - Deleted
Rf;

Don't know enough about him to comment.
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December 20, 2011 3:10 PM - Legion
donatella,
Anthony Bourdain had an episode about the German restaurants of the upper East side.
Very few left.
Queens used to have quite a few in the Glendale/Middle Village area. One was really famous, Neiderstein's on Metropoltan Ave., just down from the world wide headquarters of Karl Ehmer's meats and sausages on Fresh Pond Road.
Neiderstein's was there for over a hundred years but was torn down two or three years ago and turned into an Arby's.
There's still an old German restaurant on Myrtle in Glendale called Zum Stammtisch, popular with local queens "celebrities" and politicians.
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:10 PM
December 20, 2011 3:11 PM - Deleted
Donatella and Slopey;

Do you remember the Bavarian Inn and Cafe Konditerei (sp?) on 86th St.?
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:11 PM
December 20, 2011 3:11 PM - Slopefarm
Slopey's first rule of aeronautics: I won't fly in any plane that looks like I could pick it up and throw it.

I have ridden in some 8, 10 and 12 seat props in Costa Rica, though.
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:11 PM
December 20, 2011 3:13 PM - BoerumHillScott
The first 8 Red Velvet cake recipes I could find online all included red food coloring.

According to Wikipedia, either red food coloring or some sort of beet used for coloring has been an ingredient in most recipes since WWII, and the cocoa used today does not turn very red.
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December 20, 2011 3:14 PM - lechacal
I went through a period in my life when I had a totally irrational fear of flying. Maybe 1999 to 2009. Now I sit there and hope for bad turbulence just to break up the monotony. I have a totally different outlook on mortality ever since I got sterilized.
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:14 PM
December 20, 2011 3:14 PM - dibs
My Tues/Fri lunch is organized by a German guy and he says the only good one in manhattan is Zum Schneider on Ave C
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:14 PM
December 20, 2011 3:15 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
my favorite mob/mafia movie is Mannequin II: On the Run!

*rob*

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December 20, 2011 3:15 PM - Slopefarm
Vaguely, by name, benson. I never went. I was a kid and my grandfather would take me to lunch when I visited the store. The place I mentioned is the only place we went. Some places had reputations of being less than hospitable to Jews, but I don't know which ones.


December 20, 2011 3:15 PM - dibs
The cocoa is additive to the red food coloring.
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:15 PM
December 20, 2011 3:15 PM - BoerumHillScott
Planes have never bothered me, but I have never flown in anything smaller than a 20 seat turboprop or 10 seat corporate jet.
December 20, 2011 3:18 PM - Legion
Has anyone ever ordered a weinerschnitzel while on a plane and watching a mob movie?
December 20, 2011 3:19 PM - lechacal
Last month I was on a flight from Atlanta to White Plains. Little four across single aisle jet. I was in the exit row. On the tarmac, I realized I could hear air hissing out of the airplane through the emergency exit door. Loudly. The stewardess basically told me not to worry about it. So I didn't. When we got up to altitude the door sealed itself with the pressure differential. When we landed, the hissing started again. I looked back and realized one of my co-workers, who had been immediately behind me, had moved all the way to the back of the airplane.
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December 20, 2011 3:19 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
ive never been on a plane. i find them obnoxious.

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 3:19 PM
December 20, 2011 3:20 PM - dibs
How can a plane be obnoxious?????

[was i stupid for asking?]
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:20 PM
December 20, 2011 3:21 PM - dibs
Maybe this is why....
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December 20, 2011 3:22 PM - bxgrl
Anyone go to the burger place on Atlantic, just past Smith? Cannot remember the name but it was the best burger I ever ate.
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:22 PM
December 20, 2011 3:23 PM - Slopefarm
"How can a plane be obnoxious?????"

[was i stupid for asking?]

I was thinking the same question. Props to you for raising it.
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December 20, 2011 3:24 PM - dibs
I bet the puns are really gonna takeoff now.
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:24 PM
December 20, 2011 3:25 PM - Slopefarm
Nice photo dibs. Now I see why Gingrich was so mad when Clinton made him sit in the back of Air Force 1. He was insulted because Clinton treated Socks and his friends better.
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December 20, 2011 3:26 PM - Donatella
Benson, re Cafe Konditerei (?), I was just going to google that since I forgot the exact name, but yes! I did go there and to the Bavarian Inn and to the Ideal restaurant near first where you could get HUgE plates of pot roast, sauercraut, mashed potatoes and gravy for nothing. Also there were tons of great bakeries, where they made gingerbread houses, really great ones at Christmas. Also the German day parade was big there. I used to get a little creeped out at that because there were bundt societies up there and when I lived there what was left of them marched. I think they were social societies but I associated them with Hitler.


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December 20, 2011 3:26 PM - Biff Champion
"How can a plane be obnoxious?????"

You never saw a pimped out cockpit?
(no homo, no Raunch Hour, no pun)
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December 20, 2011 3:27 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
do ALL planes have flight attendants? i guess it's them i find obnoxious. they seem fake nice and rude all rolled into one. and from what i hear there's way too many stupid rules.
and if i had to fly i know id probably be stuck in coach with the other poors and i refuse to being stuck 6000 miles up in the sky surrounded by poor people, sorry. i *might* fly if i won first class accommodations tho and the flight attendants stayed far away as hell.


*rob*

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December 20, 2011 3:27 PM - dibs
I think we need Arkady here to coach us on our puns
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:27 PM
December 20, 2011 3:27 PM - Legion
Contrary to popular belief,
cats are not great at piloting airplanes.
They do however have a knack for working the landing gear.
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:27 PM
December 20, 2011 3:28 PM - Biff Champion
First class suggestion, DIBS
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:28 PM
December 20, 2011 3:29 PM - dibs
I had a Thai bf once who was a United flight attendant. He could fold a napkin into a Bird of Paradise.
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:29 PM
December 20, 2011 3:29 PM - Slopefarm
Otherwise we'll just have to wing it.
December 20, 2011 3:29 PM - Deleted
Legion;

I'm begging you - please don't contribute to the cat culture here. DIBS has already gone over to the dark (cat) side. Now you too?
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:29 PM
December 20, 2011 3:29 PM - dibs
Welcome aboard, Biff. May I see your boarding pass?
December 20, 2011 3:30 PM - Donatella
Bund societies, n0t bundt (they are cakes)...
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December 20, 2011 3:30 PM - dibs
benson, you need to shed that mental baggage you carry around with you.
December 20, 2011 3:31 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
yeah it's REALLY embarrassing scrolling thru multiple cat pictures and having people possibly notice, which many people can. everyone knows im a pitbull person, and i worry sometimes they might think im a closet case cat person. ::shudder::

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 3:31 PM
December 20, 2011 3:31 PM - Legion
haha benson.
I didn't even notice how far I've been dragged into the "cat" culture in here!
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:31 PM
December 20, 2011 3:32 PM - dibs
rob, does everyone at work know you haven't had sex for like a decade????
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:32 PM
December 20, 2011 3:32 PM - Deleted
I rack my brain to provide you people with interesting mafia stories, and this is how you pay me back - with MORE cats?????
December 20, 2011 3:32 PM - Biff Champion
Surgery this morning and posting by afternoon.

WHO'S YOUR PLUSA, BABY?!
December 20, 2011 3:32 PM - Slopefarm
Face it dibs. Benson's a cat hater, and the condition is terminal.
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December 20, 2011 3:33 PM - dibs
Legion, face the reality. no sense in runway
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:33 PM
December 20, 2011 3:33 PM - dibs
Biff, tubes tied???? Lobotomy????
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:33 PM
December 20, 2011 3:34 PM - Biff Champion
Lobotomy. Suddenly everything here makes sense.
December 20, 2011 3:34 PM - Legion
biff!
hope it wasn't anything too serious.

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December 20, 2011 3:35 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
rob, does everyone at work know you haven't had sex for like a decade????

yeah maybe, i dont care tho. im proud of my autosexuality, not ashamed of it. and it hasnt been a DECADE.
*rob*

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December 20, 2011 3:35 PM - Slopefarm
"MORE cats?????"

I shuttle to think. [Of course, now I'm imagining the OT version of the Godfather and we know it's not a horse's head in the bed.]
December 20, 2011 3:35 PM - Donatella
I flew in the private corporate jet once with a group from my old energy company. I loved it. I had steak and good wine and the steward had to bend down to walk around. I do not allow myself to get seduced by these trappings even though I enjoyed it then. It is bad for you, plus I am still damn pissed off by the bunch of crooks with sybaritic tastes who torpedoed my old company in the financial services industry. Well, I have to go back into Manhattan. Later.....
December 20, 2011 3:36 PM - Deleted
That's right Slopey. You're all going to find multiple dead cats in your beds tomorrow morning.
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December 20, 2011 3:37 PM - dibs
"In 1910, on the first airplane flight across the English Channel to carry a passenger, American aviator John Moisant flew from Paris to London accompanied by both his mechanic and his cat, named either Mademoiselle Fifi or Paree, depending on which newspaper you believe."
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:37 PM
December 20, 2011 3:37 PM - Biff Champion
Thanks Legion. It was more arthroscopic surgery on my hip. This time to fix a bone spur/cam impingement. I feel great now...morphine and anasthesia and oxys will have that effect, I suppose. I'm Dr. Drew's wet dream.
December 20, 2011 3:37 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
ugh just the phrase "cat culture" makes me wanna barf for some reason

*rob*

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December 20, 2011 3:38 PM - Deleted
Biff;

Good to see you back, and speedy recovery.
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:38 PM
December 20, 2011 3:38 PM - dibs
Biff, when's the last time you were really hip???
December 20, 2011 3:40 PM - rf
Biff, we missed you at the pool hall.
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December 20, 2011 3:41 PM - Legion
Gratuitous dog photo:
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December 20, 2011 3:42 PM - dibs
Legion, is your dog part sharpei???
December 20, 2011 3:42 PM - Deleted
I wonder what's worse? A gratuitous dog picture, or a photo of a conservative babe?
December 20, 2011 3:42 PM - Biff Champion
Thank you everyone for such warm comments. I have to go as The Champs just got home. I'll post again soon.
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December 20, 2011 3:43 PM - dibs
Get well, Biff.
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December 20, 2011 3:44 PM - Arkady
I love small planes - had my flying license for a while. My godson's father-in-law has built 3 planes, one kit & 2 from scratch - literally cutting the panels from raw steel, etc. He flies out of a field on his farm. It's spectacular to go up w/him.
December 20, 2011 3:44 PM - lechacal
Gratuitous hot robot photo:

December 20, 2011 3:44 PM - Legion
yes dibs,
he's a horse coat Shar Pei.
they don't have many wrinkles, especially if they're fat like mine is.
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:44 PM
December 20, 2011 3:45 PM - dibs
"they don't have many wrinkles, especially if they're fat like mine is."

Guess what's going through my mind?????????????
December 20, 2011 3:45 PM - BoerumHillScott
I've flown on a corporate jet twice, both 90 minute flights between Birmingham and Houston.
We did not have a steward or wine, but there a nice assortment of high-end finger foods.

I really miss the first company I worked for.
It was a relatively small Fortune 500 company that knew how to treat employees well.

The corporate jet would routinely fly executives between Birmingham and Houston, and if there were free seats, the corporate travel ladies would go down the list of people scheduled to fly that day and offer the seats to them.
The time I flew to Houston, they had the rental car waiting for me on the tarmac not more than 100 feet from the plane, with all paperwork filled out waiting for my signature.
December 20, 2011 3:45 PM - bxgrl
Glad you're doing better, biff. please don't mention "spurs". I have them in my back and dread the day the doctor says let me just adjust the mask here.


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December 20, 2011 3:45 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
you mean globulous.

*rob*

December 20, 2011 3:46 PM - Arkady
I've flown transatlantic on corp. jets for J&J & others. Love that too. Would really have my own plane & pilot if I were rich - plus you can skip a lot of the customs & immigration folderol.
December 20, 2011 3:47 PM - dibs
Gratuitous hot asian guy photo...
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December 20, 2011 3:47 PM - lechacal
I would say that if I had to sex any robot it would definitely by rachel from Blade Runner.
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:47 PM
December 20, 2011 3:48 PM - lechacal
Wait, rachel is a jewish name. Do you think rachel in blade runner was a jewish robot?
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:47 PM
December 20, 2011 3:48 PM - lechacal
If so I bet she makes great rugelach.
December 20, 2011 3:48 PM - Legion
Really cool that you know how to fly arkady.
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:48 PM
December 20, 2011 3:49 PM - lechacal
And doesn't give bj's even though she's a robot.
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:49 PM
December 20, 2011 3:49 PM - dibs
"Really cool that you know how to fly arkady."

Imagine what she could do if she ate her vegetables!!!!!!
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:49 PM
December 20, 2011 3:50 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
LOL i was just googling rabid pitbull and look who popped up on the first page!


*rob*

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December 20, 2011 3:51 PM - Legion
*rob*
legiondog does not have a "globulous" head!

lechacal,
so you like robots?
you must be a Star Trek fan:
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December 20, 2011 3:52 PM - Slopefarm
OK, y'all getting lazy with grammar and punctuation.

1. Arkady is not a plane.
2. You don't sex a robot. (You don't really have sex with one either, at least not yet, but at least your sentence would be grammatically correct.)

Now go edit those posts and make me look stupid for posting this.
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:52 PM
December 20, 2011 3:52 PM - Arkady
Here are a couple of the guy's planes.
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:52 PM
December 20, 2011 3:53 PM - Legion
correction:

Arkady, it's cool that you know how to pilot a plane!
December 20, 2011 3:53 PM - CGar
"Anyone go to the burger place on Atlantic, just past Smith? Cannot remember the name but it was the best burger I ever ate"

282, bxgrl? If so, I've eaten there a couple of times with the DeLepps of Clinton Hill.

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December 20, 2011 3:53 PM - Arkady
And another
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:53 PM
December 20, 2011 3:54 PM - CGar
And who was that masked man with a bum leg passing through here??
December 20, 2011 3:54 PM - rf
Callista Marie Antoinette Barbie Gingrich
December 20, 2011 3:56 PM - dibs
Can you get a hangar steak there???
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:56 PM
December 20, 2011 3:57 PM - Arkady
No, but you can catch a taxi.
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:57 PM
December 20, 2011 3:57 PM - Arkady
Just wing it, dibs.
December 20, 2011 3:58 PM - CGar
Just hope Puma knows how to steer the plane, dave.
Edited at December 20, 2011 3:58 PM
December 20, 2011 3:58 PM - Slopefarm
No, but they have great wings.
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December 20, 2011 3:58 PM - Arkady
Gotta fly off to finish this big job.
December 20, 2011 3:58 PM - dibs
If you make me blow my fuselage a complaint against you with the management.
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December 20, 2011 4:07 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
::cringe::, some of the worst punts EVER!!


*rob*

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December 20, 2011 4:11 PM - dibs
None of their passes are any good either.
Edited at December 20, 2011 4:11 PM
December 20, 2011 4:11 PM - Legion
Pun Pitbull says:
Stop It!
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December 20, 2011 4:13 PM - dibs
Even cats are good at puns
Edited at December 20, 2011 4:13 PM
December 20, 2011 4:14 PM - dibs
Even better.....
Edited at December 20, 2011 4:14 PM
December 20, 2011 4:16 PM - dibs
Fall for it....
Edited at December 20, 2011 4:16 PM
December 20, 2011 4:18 PM - dibs
Too many????
Edited at December 20, 2011 4:18 PM
December 20, 2011 4:21 PM - Slopefarm
"Too many????"

Litterrally, yes.



Edited at December 20, 2011 4:21 PM
December 20, 2011 4:26 PM - dibs
Life is better through chemistry
Edited at December 20, 2011 4:26 PM
December 20, 2011 4:31 PM - Slopefarm
This thread's getting beaker and beaker.
Edited at December 20, 2011 4:31 PM
December 20, 2011 4:33 PM - dibs
We can wipe the slate clean of these puns quickly, slopey.
Edited at December 20, 2011 4:34 PM
December 20, 2011 4:33 PM - dibs
Anyone know the difference between an erlenmeyer, a florence and a volumetric flask?????
Edited at December 20, 2011 4:33 PM
December 20, 2011 4:34 PM - dibs
I think bunsen has left for good
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December 20, 2011 4:35 PM - dibs
maybe he'll be back periodically
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December 20, 2011 4:35 PM - bxgrl
Yes- that's it. MM and I wanted to meet you one day there for lunch. How about it, cutes?
Edited at December 20, 2011 4:35 PM
December 20, 2011 4:36 PM - dibs
Not all labwork...
Edited at December 20, 2011 4:36 PM
December 20, 2011 4:37 PM - Slopefarm
"maybe he'll be back periodically"

Until then, let's table the discussion.

Edited at December 20, 2011 4:37 PM
December 20, 2011 4:38 PM - bxgrl
We have plans.
Edited at December 20, 2011 4:38 PM
December 20, 2011 4:41 PM - bxgrl
Better living?
Edited at December 20, 2011 4:41 PM
December 20, 2011 4:42 PM - dibs
I think we found the formula to drive bunsen away.
Edited at December 20, 2011 4:42 PM
December 20, 2011 4:44 PM - dibs
The heirs of Sam Walton are collectively worth about the same as the bottom 30% of all Americans.
Edited at December 20, 2011 4:44 PM
December 20, 2011 5:05 PM - rf
Should Evolution Be Taught in Schools? Worst Top 15 Miss USA Contestant Answers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRdAe3UAIVs&feature=youtu.be
Edited at December 20, 2011 5:05 PM
December 20, 2011 5:07 PM - dibs
Was that too much irony to handle???
Edited at December 20, 2011 5:06 PM
December 20, 2011 5:10 PM - dibs
If one of the men posted that you'd be all over us!!!!!!
Edited at December 20, 2011 5:10 PM
December 20, 2011 5:14 PM - rf
Oh, Dave, just shut up! I very rarely bother to post anything when the talk here gets feral about women. Needless to say, these charming Miss Universe candidates are Republicans. Which I wouldn't have bothered pointing out if you weren't on the attack! You sound like a goddamned cat, with a mouse in the cabinet.
Edited at December 20, 2011 5:14 PM
December 20, 2011 5:16 PM - dibs
LOL, they are all republicans???? Did you look them all up????????
Edited at December 20, 2011 5:16 PM
December 20, 2011 5:16 PM - DeLepp
Love is in the air!

Edited at December 20, 2011 5:16 PM
December 20, 2011 5:17 PM - rf
Happy Hanukkah!
Edited at December 20, 2011 5:17 PM
December 20, 2011 5:19 PM - rf
And I FOUND the menorah and the candles and the lighter and I even wrapped tonight's gift in appropriate dreidel-laden paper! And we said the blessing!
Edited at December 20, 2011 5:19 PM
December 20, 2011 5:23 PM - Legion
ahem,
shouldn't that read Chanukah rf? ;o)

HAPPY CHANUKAH EVERYONE!
Edited at December 20, 2011 5:23 PM
December 20, 2011 5:26 PM - rf
Both are acceptable spellings (Hanukkah, Chanukah). Congrats on spelling it right! I used the spelling you used on Facebook. Among the goyim here, I didn't want any misunderstandings of how to pronounce the CH.
December 20, 2011 5:26 PM - Legion
Adam Sandler's Hanukkah song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDV_reO930A
Edited at December 20, 2011 5:26 PM
December 20, 2011 5:39 PM - lechacal
I was just at the New York Sports Club (which is gross by the way) and overheard a muscled up jewish teenager who was acting really guido complaining about how he just found out that hannukah is like, a totally made up holiday, and then I lectured him with all of the information I learned from Slopey last year.
Edited at December 20, 2011 5:39 PM
December 20, 2011 5:41 PM - rf
Lechacal, technically it's not a holiday of religious significance--no alternate-parking suspension. It's a festival.
Edited at December 20, 2011 5:41 PM
December 20, 2011 5:50 PM - BoerumHillScott
I always figured Jewish people based their holidays around parking regulations :)
Edited at December 20, 2011 5:50 PM
December 20, 2011 5:53 PM - Deleted
Is there some type of parallel OT universe out there? Folks are constantly referring to e-mails sent, facebook postings etc. I guess I'm missing out.

By the way: why does anyone over the age of 25 post on Facebook?
Edited at December 20, 2011 5:52 PM
December 20, 2011 6:04 PM - BoerumHillScott
Almost everyone I know under 45 or so uses face book, along with many people older than that.
December 20, 2011 6:04 PM - bxgrl
benson- it's good if you have a business. Otherwise I would never post on there at all.

Scott- What!? No, never. We base it on Christian holidays that have parking regulations suspended. :)
December 20, 2011 6:10 PM - Deleted
Scott;

I didn't question its popularity, I questioned its utility.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:10 PM
December 20, 2011 6:12 PM - Legion
I don't do Facebook.
I feel it contributes to the decline of Western Civilization.

Bad enough, I have to keep up with mail, e-mail, texts, faxes and answering machines.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:12 PM
December 20, 2011 6:15 PM - rf
It's a good way to keep in touch with people that were in my life but moved away or otherwise drifted away. And a good way not to have to cc a zillion people in an email.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:15 PM
December 20, 2011 6:16 PM - BoerumHillScott
I use it for keeping in touch with family and friends I don't see every day, including sharing news.
I also use it to share pictures.
Occasionally, we use it as one method to invite people to parties and gatherings, and collectively share information about the gatherings.
Our church uses it quite a bit to give information about events, as well as to share pictures of past events.

Others play games, post news articles they find interesting and want to share, or get into political discussions.

Edited at December 20, 2011 6:16 PM
December 20, 2011 6:16 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
FB is nice for keeping loosely in touch with lots of friends. Because of FB I'm more in touch with my cousins, aunt, high school friends and old friends. It's nice. A really good HS friend just had surgery, I was able to send a nice note of encouragement and best wishes. It's how I found out another old friend's mom died, and a bunch of us were able to send flowers, etc. No one has time to get together very often, but we still want to know each other and so it's great. I like it.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:16 PM
December 20, 2011 6:16 PM - rf
Legion, you don't have to keep up with it. Like DIBS, who apparently only looks 2x/year, once around his birthday and once to approve friend requests!
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:16 PM
December 20, 2011 6:16 PM - Deleted
1970's====> CB craze
1990's======pager craze
2010's =====> Facebook
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:16 PM
December 20, 2011 6:17 PM - rf
Cell phones replaced pagers. Do you think they are going away? I don't--landlines are the dinosaurs.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:17 PM
December 20, 2011 6:19 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
FB is way better than a dumbass pager. You can look at it at your own convenience. You can respond to things or not, as you please. Sometimes it's just fun to go look at a friends page and see what they've been up to. Sometimes old friends wh live in some other remote place look you up and it starts a nice email exchange/catch-up. It has it's flaws, but mostly, I think it's great.
December 20, 2011 6:19 PM - BoerumHillScott
I don't think that facebook is a perfect platform, and I have many issues with their platform and policies.
I doubt it will be around forever, but whatever replaces it will have many of the same features.

People like to communicate, and Facebook is a very effective method of sharing lot of different types of communications with many people in a somewhat collaborative way.


Edited at December 20, 2011 6:19 PM
December 20, 2011 6:20 PM - Deleted
Rf;

I'm talking about the social aspect.


Edited at December 20, 2011 6:20 PM
December 20, 2011 6:21 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
My aunt is in her 80s, btw, I think it's FANTASTIC that she jumped on FB. She's not terribly active, but it's cool that she updates it from time to time or sends notes.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:21 PM
December 20, 2011 6:22 PM - BoerumHillScott
RF actually makes a good point on why pagers died - it was not because it was a craze, but because people could get the same functionality and more via their cell phones.

BTW, I don't see land lines as going away for a number of reasons, but personal ones are certainly facing a long term decline.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:22 PM
December 20, 2011 6:24 PM - BoerumHillScott
When the Internet was just ramping up in the mid 90s and I was "selling" it to managers and execs at my company, more than one said it would be a craze like CB Radio.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:24 PM
December 20, 2011 6:28 PM - Deleted
Scott;

I didn't say the internet - I said one application of it. Please read what I wrote.

Pagers weren't a craze? Oh, ok - I guess teenagers really did need those things.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:28 PM
December 20, 2011 6:29 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Texting has replaced paging.
December 20, 2011 6:30 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
benson, Face it, you're an cranky old curmudgeon! : P
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:30 PM
December 20, 2011 6:30 PM - Legion
Mrs.legion is all over facebook,
it's how she keeps up with the other neighborhood moms,
family and old friends.
It just seems aggravating to me though.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:30 PM
December 20, 2011 6:33 PM - BoerumHillScott
I read what you wrote, and never claimed you said the internet was a craze.
I pointed out that others compared the internet to CB radio when it was relatively new.

There are many things that humans do not need, but use way more than I would call a "craze."
As far as I cal tell, the vast majority of teenagers carry mobile devices and use them send text messages to each other, which I consider to be an enhanced implementation of what they were doing with pagers.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:33 PM
December 20, 2011 6:33 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
You're heading for cranky old curmudgeon land, too, legion!
December 20, 2011 6:33 PM - dibs
FB is just for acquaintences and friends...to stay in touch, get in touch or find people. Some people post way too much on facebook.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:33 PM
December 20, 2011 6:34 PM - dibs
Senate Democrats say they will not come back to Washington.

Who is the party of NO now??????
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:34 PM
December 20, 2011 6:35 PM - BoerumHillScott
I don't know anyone who post 1/10 on facebook as dave posts on the OT.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:35 PM
December 20, 2011 6:35 PM - Deleted
I give up. I can't have a discussion with folks who are being too clever by half.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:35 PM
December 20, 2011 6:36 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
"I don't know anyone who post 1/10 on facebook as dave posts on the OT."

Sadly, I do. I have several friends who are compulsive posters on FB. I actually had to tune a few of them out. And I especially had to tune out that Farmville crap!!!!!!
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:36 PM
December 20, 2011 6:38 PM - Arkady
I use FB mainly for far-flung family & a few friends in foreign climes. I have cousins all over (Irish, you know): Australia, Italy, Greece, Ireland, San Francisco and more. They let me know if they're coming through NY, having babies, & what not. Horse racing friends post their results (& bad accidents.) Misc. info that is appropriately 'announced' in lieu of individual emails - blankets of which are like printed Xmas letters.
W/ Linked In I've helped a few people find work & (tee-hee) linked up some others. I've been 'found' on that by more people I'd been out of touch w/ than has happened w/ FB.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:38 PM
December 20, 2011 6:39 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
OMG, I'm so happy that I went to Sahadi and Damascus Bakery today. I'm having 2 kinds of olives, a meat pie and a spinach and feta in filo. It smells so DELICIOUS!
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:39 PM
December 20, 2011 6:39 PM - rf
My daughter at 15 texts much, much more than she uses her phone. When she wants to talk to someone, she videotexts. And sometimes, they don't even bother talking, just have each other across the screen while they do their homework. (Not even in the same classes.)
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:39 PM
December 20, 2011 6:39 PM - dibs
Watching the carefully orchestrated cries of mourning for Dear Leader!!!! it's like a cult
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:39 PM
December 20, 2011 6:40 PM - BoerumHillScott
I block all applications on facebook as soon as I see then, so I never see farmville and similar messages.
I do have a couple of friends who apparently sit around all day posting and re-posting links to other web sites.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:40 PM
December 20, 2011 6:41 PM - rf
Scott, I hope you're not talking about me!
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:41 PM
December 20, 2011 6:42 PM - BoerumHillScott
No, you seem to post 1 to 3 articles a day.
I know 2 people who each do more like 40.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:42 PM
December 20, 2011 6:44 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
I think people are more comfortable approaching an old friend or co-worker on Linkedin than FB.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:44 PM
December 20, 2011 6:46 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
Several friends of mine us FB like texting, so they are essentially having a conversation together on FB in front of 100s of people!
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:46 PM
December 20, 2011 6:47 PM - BoerumHillScott
I do keep my work life and personal life segregated.
I would never look up an old co-worker on Facebook and am only friends with a small handful that I am/was also good personal friends with.

Likewise, I don't use the more social features that LinkedIn offers because I don't find them to be worthy of professional conduct.
December 20, 2011 6:47 PM - rf
Or like Lifeinbklyn OT!
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:47 PM
December 20, 2011 6:48 PM - Deleted
Let me try again. As a person who works in the forefront of the telecom field, I don't need a lecture on the need for new technology and enhanced social communication tools. My point about Facebook was its use by adults, when the whole thing is structured for a teen-age mentality. Yes, at age 54, I really should be spending time telling people on the internet they're my "friend" and tallying how many "likes" my posts generate.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:48 PM
December 20, 2011 6:50 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
"Yes, at age 54, I really should be spending time telling people on the internet they're my "friend" and tallying how many "likes" my posts generate."

You're missing the point entirely. And so you deserve a lecture about new technology and social communication.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:50 PM
December 20, 2011 6:50 PM - Arkady
As w/ almost anything you can use the parts of it that are helpful & skip the rest - have the steak & leave the brussels sprouts.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:50 PM
December 20, 2011 6:51 PM - Legion




"Several friends of mine us FB like texting, so they are essentially having a conversation together on FB in front of 100s of people!"

That's the aggravating part that I've noticed or heard mrs.legion talking about.
People having personal conversations about their clogged drain or cleaning kids after dinner.
Do we need that much connection going on in front friends and family 24/7?

Edited at December 20, 2011 6:51 PM
December 20, 2011 6:52 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
"My point about Facebook was its use by adults, when the whole thing is structured for a teen-age mentality."

But it's not, and that's what you are missing. And my 80+ year old aunt "gets it", you don't.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:52 PM
December 20, 2011 6:52 PM - Legion
what's the difference between FB and linkedin?
December 20, 2011 6:53 PM - rf
If that's all you do with facebook, then you are not using it as an adult! My daughter thinks my friend tally is a joke but I think of it as "curated." (Well, not really, but that's what I heard from my gay 3rd cousin who lives in CA and graduated from Harvard, someone I would never know anything about without Facebook.) Sometimes I've friended someone who is crazy or just not interesting to me, and I just unfriend or block their messages from showing up on my news feed. Easy!
December 20, 2011 6:53 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
"Do we need that much connection going on in front friends and family 24/7?"

No, but same as here, one can scroll past it or tune it out.
December 20, 2011 6:54 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
LinkedIn is a professional networking system, FB is more social, or that's how I treat them anyway.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:54 PM
December 20, 2011 6:54 PM - Legion
I think I'm going to visit facebook just to see the pages put up by OT regulars. ;o)
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:54 PM
December 20, 2011 6:54 PM - DeadCatBounce
Am I a Curmudgeon like Legion and Benson?

Texting is great. You can tell somebody something without actually having to talk to them.
December 20, 2011 6:54 PM - rf
You won't be able to see them unless you friend them.
December 20, 2011 6:57 PM - Legion
"friend" them?
You mean I have to ask you people to be my friends first!
December 20, 2011 6:57 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
"Texting is great. You can tell somebody something without actually having to talk to them."

LOL! Yes, it is! BH and I text a few times a day. Sort of like leaving each other post it notes. Love it.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:57 PM
December 20, 2011 6:58 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
"You mean I have to ask you people to be my friends first!"

Yes, or you can hide like I did, but eventually one person (old friend) finds you and that leads to an avalanche of others finding you.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:58 PM
December 20, 2011 6:59 PM - BoerumHillScott
I am curious Benson, how much have you used Facebook or other social networking sites?

I find it structured to be a somewhat generic information tool that can be used to fit a number of different mentalities and use patterns.
I have listed the ways I use it, and I can't think of a better tool to communicate and share information in those situations.
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:59 PM
December 20, 2011 6:59 PM - Legion
ha DCB,
Have you ever called somebody and when they picked up in person said to them:
"oops, I was actually trying to get your answering machine."
Edited at December 20, 2011 6:59 PM
December 20, 2011 7:00 PM - rf
Upstairs, Downstairs marathon on Ch. 13 Sunday!
Edited at December 20, 2011 7:00 PM
December 20, 2011 7:01 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
I was just at the New York Sports Club (which is gross by the way) and overheard a muscled up jewish teenager who was acting really guido complaining about how he just found out that hannukah is like, a totally made up holiday, and then I lectured him with all of the information I learned from Slopey last year.

i really hope that wasn't in the showers or the lockerroom :-/

*rob*

December 20, 2011 7:03 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
By the way: why does anyone over the age of 25 post on Facebook?

it's THE perfect way to let everyone and show everyone who is still alive that has known you in life just ho big of a retard you turned out to be!

*rob*

December 20, 2011 7:03 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
rf, Downton Abbey Season 2 starts Jan. 8th on PBS! I'm so EXCITED!! Did you watch Season 1??
Edited at December 20, 2011 7:03 PM
December 20, 2011 7:04 PM - BoerumHillScott
I was using several different social networks long before most people heard of Facebook (including some before Facebook existed).

I think the key thing that facebook did that led to their success was forcing people to use their real names.
There is no way that anyone from high school, college, church, hiking, or most other social circles would know my handle and be able to find me. However, all of those people knew my real name and were therefore able to look me up.
That led to early adapters who used many social networks eventually gravitating to the one where they could find the most friends and family, and once Facebook was established as the dominant site it took off.

They made several other good decisions along the way, including a focus on colleges and college alumni, a clean and relatively uncluttered design, and the decision to let 3rd party developers write applications inside the facebook framework.
Edited at December 20, 2011 7:04 PM
December 20, 2011 7:04 PM - Deleted
Scott;

I have not used Facebook, nor do I intend to try it. I am on LinkedIn.

My assesment of it is based upon how I see a number of adults use it. Two examples:

-a relative who basically uses it to keep tabs on his kids;

-a grown woman who is in a snit because her son won't "friend" her even though she sees her son EVERY weekend. He comes to her house on Sunday for dinner.
Edited at December 20, 2011 7:04 PM
December 20, 2011 7:04 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
and my estranged half brother and half sister found me through it. that's kinda cool.

*rob*

December 20, 2011 7:04 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
"I am curious Benson, how much have you used Facebook or other social networking sites?"

$5.00 says ZERO!!!
Edited at December 20, 2011 7:04 PM
December 20, 2011 7:06 PM - Legion
...oh before I forget,
I thought of a easy way to make money this holiday season. You have to have a high tolerance for scorn though.
Here's what you do,
Go to the post office and stand in line with a t-shirt that says:
WILL GIVE UP PLACE IN LINE FOR $5
If you've seen the lines these days you know there are people perfectly willing
to give you 5 bucks in order to avoid a line of 20 people.
Get your money then go right to the back of the line again.

If you're lucky you could drum up a bidding war. Particularly in Brooklyn Heights and Park Slope.


*WARNING*
DO NOT try this in Bushwick, East New York, Brownsville, Bay Ridge, Bensonhurst or Canarsie.
Edited at December 20, 2011 7:06 PM
December 20, 2011 7:07 PM - Deleted
Cobble.

You lose. I am on LinkedIn, and connected to several PLUSAS through it.

Keep the $5.00. Have some chi-chi ice cream with it.
Edited at December 20, 2011 7:07 PM
December 20, 2011 7:08 PM - BoerumHillScott
Your call. I certainly don't think it will ever reach 100% penetration, but it is becoming the defacto way that people under 45 or so communicate with groups for now.

Like I said earlier, I don't think it will have that role forever, but what ever comes next will share many of the same features.


Edited at December 20, 2011 7:08 PM
December 20, 2011 7:10 PM - Legion
what about myspace?
is that like the brownstoner.com in the lifeinbklyn.com world?
Edited at December 20, 2011 7:10 PM
December 20, 2011 7:10 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
what's the difference between FB and linkedin?

on linkdin you gotta keep it all fuddy duddy and professional and shit, on facebook you can just let your freak flag fly knowing that MOST people will not break the social contract of using anything you say on facebook against you in real life. as least that's how it works for me.

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 7:10 PM
December 20, 2011 7:11 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
anyway, im about to go watch some porn and rub one out before the exterminator gets here in a bit. maybe i should post that on facebook!

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 7:11 PM
December 20, 2011 7:13 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
TMI, rob.
Edited at December 20, 2011 7:13 PM
December 20, 2011 7:14 PM - rf
So what else is new?
Edited at December 20, 2011 7:14 PM
December 20, 2011 7:17 PM - DeadCatBounce
Scot, thank you for waiting until DIBS was not actively posting before using the words "100% penetration".
December 20, 2011 7:17 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
TMI, rob.

then you dont really understand the point of facebook. anyway, i really better go. last month when he was here i was rudely interupted and wound up with an apartment full of greasy doorknobs!

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 7:17 PM
December 20, 2011 7:17 PM - Legion
"knowing that MOST people will not break the social contract of using anything you say on facebook against you in real life"

What about all those creepy employers who look up your internet postings to find pictures of you throwing up at the Village Halloween Parade dressed as an ewok?
Edited at December 20, 2011 7:17 PM
December 20, 2011 7:18 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
What about all those creepy employers who look up your internet postings to find pictures of you throwing up at the Village Halloween Parade dressed as an ewok?

eh whatever. if people judge shit like that, i'd never work for them.

*rob*

December 20, 2011 7:19 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
"What about all those creepy employers who look up your internet postings "

You can actually make your posts/page private. It takes effort, but no one can see my page/comments/photos. It's all locked down unless you are my friend. (I hope...given FBs constant changes...it's tough to keep up.)
Edited at December 20, 2011 7:19 PM
December 20, 2011 7:19 PM - Cobble B. Hiller
"thank you for waiting until DIBS was not actively posting before using the words "100% penetration"."

Snort!
Edited at December 20, 2011 7:19 PM
December 20, 2011 7:22 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
you can also deactivate your account at anytime and it does not get deleted. you can also change your name, tho be careful, after a few times they threaten to ban you! yes ive almost been banned a few times on facebook :-/ also it helps if you have a common-ish name. i looked up my name and i was kinda upset to find a total flamer with my same name, but his page was so bland that if anyone looked it up they wouldnt care.

also, you have to individually lock on private EACH ONE OF YOUR photo folders. or else anyone can look up your name and if it's you get in your photos. and photos others have posted of you. but then again, just be smart and dont post stupid photos that you would be embarrassed of i guess?

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 7:22 PM
December 20, 2011 7:40 PM - sixyearsandcounting
http://nymag.com/news/articles/reasonstoloveny/2011/cab-drivers/

"In the early days, mothers would put their 7-year-olds in the backseat, give the address of the private school, and wave good-bye."
Edited at December 20, 2011 7:40 PM
December 20, 2011 7:56 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
"In the early days, mothers would put their 7-year-olds in the backseat, give the address of the private school, and wave good-bye."

HA! that's great. mothers these days (the older moonface ones) have to french kiss their kids before they can let them go for school.

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 7:56 PM
December 20, 2011 7:58 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
i think the uber-rich still give their kids lots of autonomy, odd as that might seem. it's the insecure upper middle class parents really that are turning their kids into permanent peter pans.

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 7:58 PM
December 20, 2011 7:59 PM - rf
Until they go to middle school. Then they get a metrocard and they are on their own!
Edited at December 20, 2011 7:59 PM
December 20, 2011 8:01 PM - BoerumHillScott
One thing that surprised me about New York is the nanny culture.
I don't think I had any friends in Los Angeles who had a nanny for their kids, but I know several here.

Edited at December 20, 2011 8:01 PM
December 20, 2011 8:02 PM - BoerumHillScott
I know people who don't let their middle school kids take the subway alone.
Our son has not done it yet, but I think he is ready.
December 20, 2011 8:03 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
if you EVER wanna barf, watch a park slope mom or dad (tho around here's usually the dads, cuz the moms are generally the bread winners and already at work) drop their kids off at school. LMFAO. it has to be the real mom tho, not the non tax paying nanny (tho watching them with the kids around around here is another ha-ha.) newsflash. they dont give a SHIT about your precious Kaylens and Zacks. they are yapping away on their phones and eating all sticking your toilet brushes up their bumholes. there's a website where domestic workers anonymously talk about this shit, and newsflash, most of them are in nyc! (especially brooklyn)


*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 8:03 PM
December 20, 2011 8:04 PM - Donatella
I locked down absolutely everything re Facebook and I do not do anything there. I am totally passive and my posts are things like 'great picture'. The thing I like about it is that the young people in my family post pictures and video. I did allow the old Japanese CEO to be my friend (the first nice GUY one), and I get lots of friend requests but I started ignoring them unless they are family. I am inhibited about saying anything of any significance.
Edited at December 20, 2011 8:04 PM
December 20, 2011 8:06 PM - rf
A lot of people ease off during 6th grade (first year of middle school). At the beginning of the year, my daughter and I got on the same train, and after the first week, she started getting off by herself and walking (about 8 blocks) to school. By the end of October she was on her own, including solo trips to chorus, Chinese school and Hebrew school. If she got lost she'd call me from a corner, tell me what the street sign said, and I'd guide her in.
Edited at December 20, 2011 8:06 PM
December 20, 2011 8:08 PM - rf
I think more people use nannies here because daycare is just as expensive, especially if you have more than one kid. And people worry about getting home in time to pick the kid up at daycare. My daughter's elementary school had an afterschool program until 5:45 and it was always my nightmare, that I wouldn't get there in time.
Edited at December 20, 2011 8:08 PM
December 20, 2011 8:08 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
One thing that surprised me about New York is the nanny culture.
I don't think I had any friends in Los Angeles who had a nanny for their kids, but I know several here.

see my last post. a caribbean nanny is a total status symbol for the wannabe elite. tho i guess if both parents work away from home, some form of child care is necessary, and most day care centers are either mad high end and cost more than a nanny or they are flat out ghetto and state funded. so i guess people go the nanny route (pay them under the table like shit and pay no payroll taxes and the nannies dont have to pay taxes or declare income....) it's actually very frustrating to notice. these same upper middle class tards tho are the first to scream and yell at the actual poor DONT HAVE KIDS IF YOU CANT AFFORD THEM!!!! pot, kettle indeed! apparently they ARE entitled to their little precious snowflakes that they cant afford without violating labor laws and being tax cheats, but poor women who choose to have kids are villified. i do understand the slight variations and i know it's a bit apples to oranges, but still.



*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 8:08 PM
December 20, 2011 8:09 PM - rf
Of course if your kid goes to school within a reasonable distance, s/he can take the bus, which are stuffed with middle school kids from 2 to 4. My kid always went to school in Manhattan so she had lots of experience on the subway.
December 20, 2011 8:10 PM - Legion
These days it's probably de rigeur to have your house all wired up with videocams in every corner prior to hiring a nanny.
They probably have toothbrushes with built in GPS units in them to detect if they were used by the hired help to brush the dog's teeth.

Edited at December 20, 2011 8:10 PM
December 20, 2011 8:11 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Until they go to middle school. Then they get a metrocard and they are on their own!

on the taxpayer's dime! tho honestly, i was never against that whole thing about taking their metrocards away a while back. that's fucked up.
taxes for them getting to school and back i have no problem paying for with taxes. i will shoot someone in the face if they ever extended school hours to times where moist people were commuting!

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 8:11 PM
December 20, 2011 8:13 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
LMFAO my super is here exterminating and wearing the funniest christmas sweater ive EVER seen. subtle dude.. (just handed him his xmas bonus envelope)

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 8:13 PM
December 20, 2011 8:15 PM - Legion
middle school kids are the worst!
Whenever they get out and wherever the neighborhood, it's like
"who let the dogs out, woo woo"
You see store owners shutting down their gates, elderly people ducking into liquor stores and
innocent bystanders forced to withstand a barrage of bad english, potato chip bags flying everywhere and outright thuggery.
Edited at December 20, 2011 8:15 PM
December 20, 2011 8:16 PM - Legion
...and that's just the parochial schools.
Edited at December 20, 2011 8:16 PM
December 20, 2011 8:17 PM - BoerumHillScott
I think the metrocard thing makes sense because kids in most areas of the country get free school bus rides.
The stupid part is that the MTA covers a good bit of the expense. It should all be paid for out of education money.
December 20, 2011 8:17 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
If she got lost she'd call me from a corner, tell me what the street sign said, and I'd guide her in.

sounds like me before a gathering!!! (minus the big pink balloon)

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 8:17 PM
December 20, 2011 8:19 PM - Legion
Giving free "unlimited" Metrocards to teenagers is like giving a bunch of drunken sailors $5,000 in Scores Stripper money and a case of Thunderbird liquor.
Edited at December 20, 2011 8:19 PM
December 20, 2011 8:21 PM - BoerumHillScott
Don't the student metrocards have limits on times, days and how many trips the kids can take?
Edited at December 20, 2011 8:21 PM
December 20, 2011 8:21 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
These days it's probably de rigeur to have your house all wired up with videocams in every corner prior to hiring a nanny.
They probably have toothbrushes with built in GPS units in them to detect if they were used by the hired help to brush the dog's teeth.

yeah but i DOUBT everywhere in the house. im sure in 99% of the homes the nanny could take a dump with no surveillance, stick her finger in her pooper hole, then go in the fridge and stick it in the 18 dollar jar of organic peanut butter virtually undetected. in fact, im sure of it. nannies are crafty mofo's and they dont like you OR your children (well most of them dont anyway).

*rob*



Edited at December 20, 2011 8:21 PM
December 20, 2011 8:23 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
here's a perfect example on that website i was talking about where nannies get caught doing fucked up things!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqNgAlMLjhk

dont worry, it's Safe for work!!!

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 8:23 PM
December 20, 2011 8:25 PM - Deleted
I like Legion's posts tonight. He's my OT friend!
Edited at December 20, 2011 8:25 PM
December 20, 2011 8:25 PM - dibs
Mexican bf is here.

100% penetration
Edited at December 20, 2011 8:25 PM
December 20, 2011 8:25 PM - rf
They are limited to 3 trips a day (each trip including 2 buses or a subway and a bus) so the kid can go to an afterschool activity and then home. They work from 6:30 a.m. to 8:30 p.m. Monday through Friday, from the first day of school until the last day of school.

They are not supposed to be used during days when there is no school but of course private school kids get them too and there are many different schedules!

If you live less than the right distance, you can get a half-fare card that's only good on the bus. At our old place in Clinton Hill we had friends who went to Brooklyn Tech and lived 30 feet too close. So they walked.
December 20, 2011 8:26 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
and all those period details in that house! damn!

*rob*

December 20, 2011 8:27 PM - Legion
When I was in public middle school here in NYC
they used to line up the city buses outside of the school and wait for the hordes of wild students to load up.
Once all the buses were loaded it was party time,
it was like a caravan of noisy, screaming, out of control creatures exhibiting only their most base antipodean tendencies.

Picture that scene from 2001: A Space Odyessy
where the humanoid creatures are visited by the Monolith outside of their cave.
They start jumping and throwing bones in the air and what not.

The smart kids sat near the bus driver and held on for their lives.
Edited at December 20, 2011 8:27 PM
December 20, 2011 8:27 PM - Deleted
I give thumbs down to DIBS' 8.25 post. He's still my OT friend however.
Edited at December 20, 2011 8:27 PM
December 20, 2011 8:29 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Dona said: "I am inhibited about saying anything of any significance."
...which describes all of us just perfectly!

DIBS, were you at 100% when you posted that?
December 20, 2011 8:31 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
private school kids get them too

ugh. you serious? okay, maybe i shouldnt get mad, their parents really DO pay most of the taxes in this city..

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 8:31 PM
December 20, 2011 8:37 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Once all the buses were loaded it was party time,
it was like a caravan of noisy, screaming, out of control creatures exhibiting only their most base antipodean tendencies.

LMFAO! where i grew up, i THINK i qualified to take the bus. you had to be within 20 blocks or something? i was like 30 away. yes i walked to school (well high school) 30 blocks away everyday and only missed ONE day (half day) of high school!!!! (grammer school was only a few blocks away) i was a nerd tho and loved school so i didnt not want to be there. i guess thinking about 30 blocks isnt that bad... like im imagining going from houston street to 30th street in manhattan. blocks were the same, grid like and about the same size i think. when i first started working in nyc i REFUSED to take the train if i didnt have to and walked from port authority to soho and the reverse every day for work for 4 months. it didnt seem worth it at the time to be paying to commute cuz i was so used to walking everywhere as a kid and as a teen and adult not having a car or wanting one. im not saying that's the best thing for anyway, but it never seemed like an issue to me. now i sound like those people who walked 50 miles uphill in the snow to school everyday!!!! (but maybe they werent lying!). kids really do get more and more and more coddled everyday and it's not exactly getting us anymore people.

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 8:37 PM
December 20, 2011 8:39 PM - rf
My kid walks A LOT. When we have visitors from out of town, I tell them to wear their sneakers--suburbanites aren't used to all that walking!
Edited at December 20, 2011 8:39 PM
December 20, 2011 8:40 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
of course i had to commute on the fucking bus from jersey thru the holland (or was it lincoln? how do i NOT know which one it was?) well, whatever,the one that takes you to 42nd street. some of those rights were total nightmares. which makes me <3 the nyc subway for what it is, i can't really complain about it.

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 8:40 PM
December 20, 2011 8:43 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
u know how a certain scent can bring forth a wave of emotions and memories? well i just took a leak in the bathroom and im breathing in the aroma after the exterminator left and im like holy shit, flashback to the projects in new jersey. that smell!. gaaaaaaaaaah. it was oddly comforting and nice.

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 8:43 PM
December 20, 2011 8:45 PM - Legion
"If you live less than the right distance, you can get a half-fare card that's only good on the bus. At our old place in Clinton Hill we had friends who went to Brooklyn Tech and lived 30 feet too close. So they walked."

I wish!
When I went to Tech,
I had to take the C local from that entrance at the corner of Lafayette and Fulton.
Going the bad way,
through Clinton Hill, Bedford-Stuyvesant, East New York, Cypress Hill.

I made the mistake of actually going into the bathroom at Lafayette station one time.
It looked like a scene from the Saw movies.
Edited at December 20, 2011 8:45 PM
December 20, 2011 8:45 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
suburbanites aren't used to all that walking!

maybe not the soccer moms, but honestly, that's a bit of a stereotypical thing to say. i know tons of people from the suburbs and who live in them now and walk EVERYWHERE. tho, ive been to some of the suburbs on long island (my ex was from there) and some streets were not walkable, but so many of NYC's inner ring suburbs are seriously walkable. but i do know what you mean....

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 8:45 PM
December 20, 2011 8:46 PM - BoerumHillScott
Legion is on a roll tonight.
Edited at December 20, 2011 8:46 PM
December 20, 2011 8:48 PM - BoerumHillScott
When I would walk my son to school a mile away in suburban L.A., I would see on average 1 pedestrian and one bicyclist each day.
In the afternoon you would see people taking walks for fitness reasons, but almost never to actually go anywhere.

Just about the only people who would walk were the maids going between the bus stops and the houses they worked in.
Edited at December 20, 2011 8:48 PM
December 20, 2011 8:50 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
also i have a major pet peeve when people hate on the suburbs these days, especially people who live in major urban centers... so many middle class minority families are moving to the suburbs these days for a better life, the whole anti-suburb hatred comes across as beyond elitist and, most times, ignorant. newflash: not everyone can afford to raise their kids in the city these days, especially flat out middle class people, if they want to have their kids in decent schools. and dont go spouting examples that are nothing more than exceptions to the rule. it's very difficult to be middle class and especially working class (truly working class btw and not government teet suckers, there IS a difference) and providing life for children in the city. which does suck. it just means more obnoxious moonfaces that come in. i dont know where i stand on the whole issue, but i do know i find it distasteful when people knock other people for trying to make life better for themselves and their families, even if that means moving to the *gasp* suburbs.

*rob*


*rob*

December 20, 2011 8:50 PM - rf
Now my daughter can take 4 different buses or three different subways from 2 different stations from our house to Tech (B25, B26, B52, B38, A, C, G). Sometimes she walks home--about half an hour. She's talking about schlepping her skateboard but I'm not convinced it's such a great idea--I told her she has to use the bike paths if she takes it, although they are out of the way. When there was the talk about eliminating student metrocards, we talked about her scooter, or a bike. We have friends who live on Lafayette a couple of blocks from Tech and they said she could lock up her bike there. But this is the first time she goes to school in Brooklyn.
Edited at December 20, 2011 8:50 PM
December 20, 2011 8:51 PM - rf
Scott, I wonder if there's been a big surge in biking there, like there is here. Definitely more bikes all the time.
December 20, 2011 8:55 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Just about the only people who would walk were the maids going between the bus stops and the houses they worked in.

cuz that was LA!!!!!!!!! there are some cities where people wouldnt caught dead on public transportation (lame) or seen walking (tho so many places arent that walkable to begin with) but im serious, im telling you people DO it all the time. burn breakfast off, or pay for a tank of fuel? i dont know. i have nothing against cars really, but i know a lot of people enjoy walking even very long distances and lots of people like mass transit. the train is where i get all my intellectual reading done. (like from actual books, you know). and back in the day walking longs distances was where i got all my music listening done. (it does boggle my mind when i see people sitting on the train listening to music... for some reason i cant do that unless im a very specific state of mind... but then again maybe they listen to music at home or something. i cant seem to do that, unless visuals are attached).

*rob*

December 20, 2011 8:59 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Now my daughter can take 4 different buses or three different subways from 2 different stations from our house to Tech (B25, B26, B52, B38, A, C, G).

In a Bizarro Universe out there somewhere, my biological Mother is probably saying the same things about me, knowing and being proud of the fact that im working on my Discartographia and not using it as a crutch to get on SSDI or SSI like she did with all her dumbnesses and maladies.

thanks, mom!

*rob*

December 20, 2011 9:01 PM - Legion
haha *rob*
I used to suggest to people on Brownstoner that they should consider moving to certain areas of "suburban" Queens if they wanted quality public schools while still living in the city.
The responses I'd get were suggestive of opening up a bag of Limberger cheese in a stuck elevator.
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:00 PM
December 20, 2011 9:01 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
I used to suggest to people on Brownstoner that they should consider moving to certain areas of "suburban" Queens if they wanted quality public schools while still living in the city.
The responses I'd get were suggestive of opening up a bag of Limberger cheese in a stuck elevator.

the wannabe elite, nerds who got picked on in the suburbs, and a bunch of flimsy lohans. it's not about their kids, it's all about THEM!

RF: i am NOT talking about you, btw. but sometimes you play into that mindset it's mind bizzogling!



*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 9:01 PM
December 20, 2011 9:03 PM - BoerumHillScott
There was a lot of biking in Los Angeles, but once again it was mostly recreational in the area where I lived.
I did live just about as far out as you could and still be in the city limits - think southern Staten Island.

I don't hate the suburbs, but I have lived most of my adult life in suburban areas of Birmingham and Los Angeles, so I do understand their strong and weak points.
The suburbs are also anything but homogenous in terms of population or housing situations.
For instance, many poorer immigrant families are moving into older areas of suburbs, often into apartment buildings near commercial centers that do lessen the need for cars.

Personally, I love the city but I also admit that I have an income level that makes things easier.
I don't think there is any universal right or wrong or "best" way to live. We all have to decide what is best for us.
December 20, 2011 9:07 PM - rf
As I have said before, it's good for parenting a teen that the kid doesn't even consider getting into a car driven by another teen, much less driving her/himself. It's not legal to use a junior license in NYC; have to be 18 unless you took driver's ed and then it's 17.
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:07 PM
December 20, 2011 9:09 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
im reading an amazing book right now called The End of the Hamptons. talks about the history of the placed from 1600's with shinnecock (shut up dibs) indians up until right now with the lation population of day laborers and in the 50-70s of the african americans who worked in the hamptons but lived in essentially very VERY shitty housing, but did not want to move into government housing in the city. great read. recommend it. tho a little flat emotionally and too many (holy shit im blanking on the word...) when you write a number after a paragraph and then you have to go to the back of the book to read the exerpt? is that shit still even done in writing? i havent seen that done anytime since 1995 (when this book i believe was read). FOOTNOTES!! i cant STAND footnotes, especially when they are long and windy and you have to keep turning pages). why cant you make that long ass footnote part of what you were saying in the meat of the book? im seriously asking, i dont get how books are written sometimes. i read a lot of academia proper and it's written that way and i can understand it when they dont want to bore you with the really boring shit, but why footnotes for the juicy stuff!? it's not like pageviews on the internet, but i think a lot of modern views treat footnotes where you go to the back of the book as a pageview or clicking on another site. am i crazy thinking this? warped www heads, they have?

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 9:09 PM
December 20, 2011 9:10 PM - BoerumHillScott
It scares me thinking back to how many kids at my school had their own car at 15, with most having one by the time they graduated.
December 20, 2011 9:13 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
As I have said before, it's good for parenting a teen that the kid doesn't even consider getting into a car driven by another teen, much less driving her/himself.

total agreeance! teens are stupid, and the more you add into the mix the stupidity flowers. i got into a car once with a drunk 19 year old chick and i thank my lucky stars i didn't die that night. (she did die 2 years later) in a car crash (suicide tho). it was my best friend :( but im so far removed from it these days that it's like damn...


*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 9:13 PM
December 20, 2011 9:15 PM - rf
Of course she wants a learner's permit the day she turns 16.
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:15 PM
December 20, 2011 9:19 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
It scares me thinking back to how many kids at my school had their own car at 15, with most having one by the time they graduated.

in NJ i think it was 17 for the actual license. i dont know about the lerner's permit thing as i didnt bother getting one, but i think it was 16 1/2. ? maybe 16. we had mandatory driver's ed the spring of our junior year tho. written test (in class) i dont know if that even counted towards getting the license. most people never bothered that i knew with the school driver's road test that i knew of. the people senior who DID have cars were all drug dealers, already had kids, and kids who's parents were well off and were the type to show up senior year showing off. i showed up senior year showing off with a nose and tongue ring. that worked for me. why did i need a car!?!? teenagers are stupid.


*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 9:19 PM
December 20, 2011 9:20 PM - Legion
Footnotes can be cool though, especially when reading non-fiction.
I recently read a book about Carl Panzram who was like the meanest guy who ever lived.
Basically a list of evil things that were done to him as a gullible kid and which he repaid by "trying to set the world on fire".
This guy was some sociopath from Oregon to New York to Costa Rica and the Congo.
Even as they took him to the gallows he was busy cursing out the hangman.

The footnotes made the book really interesting by giving you the details on the places and exact dates of his criminal deeds.
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:20 PM
December 20, 2011 9:22 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Of course she wants a learner's permit the day she turns 16.

and i wanted the Neo Geo and that was 900 dollars at the time i think. my grandmother had ENOUGH of me telling her id REFUSE to go to high school the summer before freshman year if she didnt buy me a Super Nintendo (duh i would have gone, but my grandmother freaked out. she bought my bluff and i got a super nintendo and a few games) in august of 1991. woot! you have to know how to work it. teenagers are gonna be way smarter than you when it comes to products and consumerism. my grandmother could easily have said, bitch please! and i couldnt/wouldnt have done a single thing about it. but she brought my smug little entitled nerdy ass to toys r us that week before high school started and got me what i wanted.


*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 9:22 PM
December 20, 2011 9:23 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Footnotes can be cool though, especially when reading non-fiction.

um. what kind of foot notes are used in NON-non-fiction? ive never seen that before except in children's/teen's sci fi books. that would be retarded.

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 9:23 PM
December 20, 2011 9:23 PM - Legion
The version I read had this cover, however:
December 20, 2011 9:26 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
The footnotes made the book really interesting by giving you the details on the places and exact dates

i can totally deal with that cuz it's superfluous info that maybe no one cares to remember? im talking about a footnote that's like 1-3 pages long. get the fuck out of here. im looking at you book about some book i read recently (a NOVEL/SORTA novel) about el trujilla from the dominican republic...

anyway, someone in my building i <3 s/he leaves out at least 10 books a month where i take a few of them and it's on my reading list non stop. pretty awesome.

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 9:26 PM
December 20, 2011 9:26 PM - Legion
"um. what kind of foot notes are used in NON-non-fiction? ive never seen that before except in children's/teen's sci fi books. that would be retarded."

I recently finished reading Nathaniel Hawthorne's classic fictional work : The House of The Seven Gables
Talk about footnotes! Everything was so old and crusty they had to give you notes on the terminology.
For instance a cat wasn't a CAT, it was a graymalkin.
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:26 PM
December 20, 2011 9:29 PM - BoerumHillScott
Teenagers need a car in the suburbs, because that's the only way to get around without having your parents drive you everywhere.
My closest friend in school lived 4 miles away, and some of my other good friends lived as far as 10 miles away.

I got my first car when I turned 16. It cost $500 and was 3 years older than I was.
I got my second car when I was 17. It also cost $500, and was the same age I was.

In Louisiana you could get a full drivers license on your 15th birthday, and there was no mandatory drivers ed. All you had to do was pass the written and driving test.
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:29 PM
December 20, 2011 9:29 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
i always get the feeling most people dont think i self-educate myself. i totally do. i dont read stupid shit like the girl with the dragon tattoo (that's not education) but i read a lot of intense academic-type books. im a voracious (sp?) reader on all topics but sometimes i get a lot of disrepect as being considered ignorant on so many topics where i bet ive read more words than the person dogging me. anyway, i dont wanna go there right now, it's the holidays and shit.

*rob*

December 20, 2011 9:29 PM - Legion
....talk to you all later
time to walk the dog.
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:29 PM
December 20, 2011 9:30 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
reading too much can also make you dumber as well.

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 9:30 PM
December 20, 2011 9:31 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
I recently finished reading Nathaniel Hawthorne's classic fictional work

AH! case closed then. i dont like fiction before the 1970s (maybe the 1960s). it's totally inauthentic and most authors lack ANY psychic intution which makes their work totally irrelevant. non fiction is better.

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 9:31 PM
December 20, 2011 9:33 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
For instance a cat wasn't a CAT, it was a graymalkin.

thankfully it's not tardy hour of that would set off a punfest!

*rob*

and... and... im trying to think of a pun, and i cant. i will give it to the punsters, good at that shit. my brain does not work like that even if i try my hardest!!!! it's so weird how different peoples' brains work and what they can say from their lips and fingertips.



*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 9:33 PM
December 20, 2011 9:35 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
you know what else for the life of me i cannot do? crosswords (and im not dyslexic) or crossword puzzles. we used to get those thrown at us back in the day when the teachers were lazy and they'd be like here, you can get 20 points extra on the last test if you finish this and leave me alone for the next 39 minutes :-/ i could not do that shit for the life of me and id wind up copying off people in class who i PROMISED them i'd write their papers for them and let them cheat off me on any tests coming up. even dumb people crosswords i cant do. why is that?

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 9:35 PM
December 20, 2011 9:38 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
In Louisiana you could get a full drivers license on your 15th birthday, and there was no mandatory drivers ed. All you had to do was pass the written and driving test.

wow. but they dont test you for DNA when you get married either in case that's your cousin or sister? (kidding, kidding..) wow, that seems SO young, but then again my grandparents were married by that age, well, a year later.. i'd imagine most states are like well if youre old enought to breed, youre old enough to read (a road map) ? weird. bonnie and clyde were like 11 and 12 tho!

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 9:38 PM
December 20, 2011 9:40 PM - Arkady
graymalkin was also grimalkin - I had a kitten I called Grim for Grimalkin - more than a generic word for cat, it's a witch's familiar.
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:40 PM
December 20, 2011 9:42 PM - Arkady
I got my first driver's license in Maine when I was 14 or 15 & then one in DC where I really lived when I was 16. States w/ a lot of agriculture give them to younger people who have to drive farm vehicles.
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:42 PM
December 20, 2011 9:45 PM - lechacal
Major windbag posting all night. No way I can read it all. Rob, major offender.
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:45 PM
December 20, 2011 9:45 PM - rf
Of course they have many accidents--major cause of death for teens. And they don't drive in Brooklyn! I am not looking forward to my kid really learning how to drive, which usually comes at least a year or two after they start driving.
December 20, 2011 9:45 PM - lechacal
I love the name Spuytin Duyvil.
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:45 PM
December 20, 2011 9:48 PM - rf
Saturday Night Live special tonight. My fave of course: Christmastime for the Jews:
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/christmas-for-the-jews-song/50599
Edited at December 20, 2011 9:48 PM
December 20, 2011 10:15 PM - Donatella
My sister was a high school guidance counselor for many years in Florida. Dealing with teen driving deaths was a regular, constant and tragic part of her job. An accident which sometimes involved be multiple deaths always affected the whole school.
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:15 PM
December 20, 2011 10:18 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Tue, 12/20/2011 - 9:48pm — rf
Saturday Night Live special tonight. My fave of course: Christmastime for the Jews:
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/christmas-for-the-jews-song...

.LOL! rf thanks for that, i watched that video a while back and LOVE it. it just proves that you, too, have a bit of a funnybune in you during the holidays. something that people seem to forget these days, wtf?

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 10:18 PM
December 20, 2011 10:20 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
the "holiday" commecials before that thing you post tho? ooof.

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 10:20 PM
December 20, 2011 10:31 PM - Donatella
funny rf. lol
December 20, 2011 10:33 PM - Deleted
You know what's amazingly expensive?? Funerals!! I just finished making the pre-arrangements for my mother-in-law, and I did it through a close friend who is a director. Still came to mega-bucks.

For those who are not familiar: my mother-in-law did not die. I am just pre-paying her expenses.
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:33 PM
December 20, 2011 10:44 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
oh jeez benson, my grandmother told me that her funeral is all arranged for via life insurance that that i will be getting like 7K from it. well they ripped an old lady off and it turns out that most likely i will have to owe money if i take her life insurance policty which is less than than what the funeral will cost. wtf? if i have to bury my own grandnmother's in a potter's grave im gonna be mad myself.

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 10:44 PM
December 20, 2011 10:45 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
also i *REFUSE* to think about this right now.

*rob*

December 20, 2011 10:47 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
and ill gladly put that 7k towards her funeral if need be, im not a moonface who needs or wants money from parents. that aint my style at all. im just curious if this will cover it all. i also want gold and silver balloons and stuff at her funeral. tacky, perhaps, but i want it.



*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 10:47 PM
December 20, 2011 10:50 PM - Deleted
Rob;

Figure on $10K for a relatively modest funeral. Cremation cuts that cost down by $2K.
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:50 PM
December 20, 2011 10:52 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
my grandmother cremated my grandfather and her son cuz it was the cheapest option. she said it was ghetto and that if i did that to her she would haunt me til the end of time!!!!!!! lol i doubt it, but stilll.. last wishes and all

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 10:52 PM
December 20, 2011 10:54 PM - Arkady
I like balloons at a funeral or wake - uplifting thoughts.
Edited at December 20, 2011 10:54 PM
December 20, 2011 10:54 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
and im NOT cremating my dog, btw. he's getting STUFFED with Marble eyes and the whole 9 yards. my dog isnt more important than my grandmother, but my grandmother knows how important my dog is to me. if that makes ANY sense.


*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 10:54 PM
December 20, 2011 10:57 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
I like balloons at a funeral or wake - uplifting thoughts.

YES! no flowers, please!!! if im gonna be the one organizing it, i want it to be how i like it. lots of gold and silver helium balloons and NO FLOWERS. NO CAKE, but LOTS OF STUPID COMFORT FOOD!!!!

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 10:57 PM
December 20, 2011 11:07 PM - Donatella
A happy uplifting thought.....I am getting my cast off tomorrow. People are warning me that it could be a funky sight at first, but I don't care. I want this hand back. I can't believe how annoying this has been. I drove twice in a month, which has been ok actually but I can't open jars. The cast has nothing to do with that though. I have to do PT and the Dr. says two more months before I have it back 100%.
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:07 PM
December 20, 2011 11:11 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
it's gonna smell like ASS. when you get that cast off. knock on wood, ive never worn a cast, but people who get them off dont realize how stinky it IS gonna be. woof.

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 11:11 PM
December 20, 2011 11:25 PM - Donatella
My brother told me he broke his thumb once (in college I guess, I never knew this) and being a jock and not being able to do anything else, he ran every day. A lot. Sweating. A lot. When they took off the cast, he told me the doctor nearly passed out. I already know that my skin is peeling in there. It is so itchy I am going out of my mind.
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:25 PM
December 20, 2011 11:32 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Dona, if it's itching you should use a hair dryer to blow hot air under the cast. It will dry out the sweat and the itching will stop.
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:32 PM
December 20, 2011 11:35 PM - Donatella
Thanks 6. It's ok now. I get it taken off at 10:3o am tomorrow. Not a moment too soon. How's San Diego?
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:35 PM
December 20, 2011 11:36 PM - sixyearsandcounting
Weather in the 60s and did nothing all day except read and have my favorite Mexican food. So far, outstanding!
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:36 PM
December 20, 2011 11:40 PM - Donatella
Great.....have fun. Well, it's nighty night for me.

zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:40 PM
December 20, 2011 11:47 PM - sixyearsandcounting
good luck with the cast tomorrow! i remember trying to sleep when i had my arm in a cast and it hurt like hell.
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:47 PM
December 20, 2011 11:48 PM - Donatella
Tks. G'night 6.
Edited at December 20, 2011 11:48 PM
December 20, 2011 11:55 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
do you have an Noxema in your medicine cabinet? wipe it on your upper lip when you get your cast taken off (doctors already do stuff like that KNOWING it's gonna smell like ass).

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 11:55 PM
December 20, 2011 11:56 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
and it's not just gonna smell like regular old ass it's gonna smell like homeless ass.

*rob*

December 20, 2011 11:58 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
dont be shocked that when the cut the cast off BUGS COME RUNNING OUT! (im serious) some people have roaches and stuff come running out of their leg casts when they get them cut off. OOOOOH!

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 11:58 PM
December 20, 2011 11:59 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
okay, im just projecting now... g;nite. hope the best

*rob*

Edited at December 20, 2011 11:59 PM