Tuesday OT
August 16, 2011 7:38 AM - dibs
Interestingly, I have seen reference to Jarndyce vs. Jarndyce two days in a row by seperate commentators; yesterday by the esteemed Slopefarm, Esq. and this morning by a British chap who writes a daily market commentary.

474 comments
August 16, 2011 7:49 AM - dibs
Interesting observations............The rampaging
youths that laid waste to much of London and surrounds
last week have apparently had their fill of destruction, for
things have quiet down there… thankfully. But still we are
amazed at the idiocy on the part of the Left and of
academia when trying to ascertain why it was that this
group destruction swept through England. As one
academic said of the young men and women involved in
the destruction, “This is an alienated and very
disenfranchised youth population,” as if this were a
plausible excuse for what happened. Who cares if they
were disenfranchised and who cares if these were
alienated youths; these were destructive, violent,
anarchists living outside the bounds of society, “coddled”
by society and given all-too-much free rein to live their
lives anarchically. This is the England foreseen in A
Clockwork Orange: a nation inhabited by feral, antiintellectual
hooligans living outside the bounds of society
and allowed to do so by government and parents afraid to
discipline the nation’s children. “Alienated and
disenfranchised” is political correctness of the first and
worst order and unless British society is able to change
materially and radically… away from this left-of-centre
nonsense and toward reason and discipline… and so
very, very soon we fear that what we saw last week is but
the first of many such clashes with reason and discipline
losing in the end while chaos and anarchy win.
#1
August 16, 2011 8:21 AM - CGar
GM, dave. I can't read your post yet. I'm pre-coffee.
#2
August 16, 2011 8:24 AM - dibs
Yes but surely you can imagine its content.
#3
August 16, 2011 8:29 AM - CGar
I saw something about 2 youts so I assume it's a post about My Cousin Vinny.
Edited at August 16, 2011 8:29 AM
#4
August 16, 2011 8:33 AM - dibs
Both Walmart & Home Depot have raised their outlook today.
#5
August 16, 2011 8:39 AM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: People are tired of getting assraped Dave!
The Global Elite is destroying to live of many people thru the free money bullshit!
I know you benifit from all this nonsense but, is this shit sustainable??
We keep printing money and blow up people live thru higher prices, unemployment and zero return on our savings?
The anger is coming to a theater near you, let's see you flaunt your "Wealth" in the Hood..

The What

I love the smell of napalm in the morning..
Edited at August 16, 2011 8:39 AM
#6
August 16, 2011 8:42 AM - CGar
I've been so sleep-deprived lately that I have huge dark bags under my eyes:
#7
August 16, 2011 8:43 AM - dibs
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What's your money invest in, What???? Treasuries???? ROTFLMMFAO
#8
August 16, 2011 8:44 AM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: Why do people insist on eating those weeners in public, it never leads to a good photo op!
#9
August 16, 2011 8:46 AM - dibs
Yes, you'd think their advisers would recommend against that sort of thing.
#10
August 16, 2011 8:47 AM - brooklynheightsivyIII
Good morning, Dave. I have to admit...I agree with your initial comment about the thieving thugs and their actual motivations.
Edited at August 16, 2011 8:47 AM
#11
August 16, 2011 8:50 AM - dibs
It could just as easily happen here, BHI. Hopefully not for a year or so and after I'm retired so that I'm ensconced in the idyllic horse country of Bucks County (along with a few double barrelled shotguns on the wall).
Edited at August 16, 2011 8:53 AM
#12
August 16, 2011 8:54 AM - CGar
"along with a few double barrelled shotguns on the wall ..."

and a well-stocked wine cellar.
Edited at August 16, 2011 8:54 AM
#13
August 16, 2011 8:55 AM - cobblehiller
GM.
Edited at August 16, 2011 8:55 AM
#14
August 16, 2011 8:56 AM - Arkady
Funny hair story. In the 60's I had a friend who owned part of a swinging London hair salon: Gary at Smith & Hawes. He gave me a model card which entitled me to a discount. The hairdresser I got took a look at it & said, "Model card?!? What are you, a Before?"
Edited at August 16, 2011 8:56 AM
#15
August 16, 2011 8:57 AM - Arkady
He did my hair to his satisfaction & then invited me out to dinner. Pygmalion revisited. It was a fun evening - he was gorgeous but the male version of a dumb blonde.
Edited at August 16, 2011 8:57 AM
#16
August 16, 2011 8:58 AM - CGar
cobble. Puma.
#17
August 16, 2011 9:00 AM - Arkady
CG
Edited at August 16, 2011 9:00 AM
#18
August 16, 2011 9:02 AM - cobblehiller
"I agree with your initial comment"

Don't encourage him, BHI.
Edited at August 16, 2011 9:02 AM
#19
August 16, 2011 9:03 AM - brooklynheightsivyIII
Sorry, Cobble...the realization that I agreed with Dave on one point was so shocking that I found myself compelled to comment.
#20
August 16, 2011 9:05 AM - More4Less
this rain is great on the temperature but shitty on the driving commute.
#21
August 16, 2011 9:06 AM - brooklynheightsivyIII
I am being sent to Zurich next week for work. I spent about two hours looking at real estate there and realized that I can buy an Art Nouveau townhouse with a view of the lake for just a bit more than what I could probably get for my house in BH. Hmmm...If Rick Perry becomes president(as the media seems to want to ratings alone), I may take my Tea Party-backed tax rate and move to Switzerland. I should buy before another round of quantitative easing kills what is left of the dollar.
#22
August 16, 2011 9:06 AM - dibs
BJI, did you go shopping yesterday? What were you able to pick up???
Edited at August 16, 2011 9:06 AM
#23
August 16, 2011 9:08 AM - dibs
BHI, please post some pics of comparable places so that we may comment and criticize. Are they priced in CHF or EUR?????
#24
August 16, 2011 9:10 AM - dibs
BHI, I can give you the Silverdaddies contact info for an extremely nice looking latin guy in Zurich.
#25
August 16, 2011 9:10 AM - cobblehiller
"Sorry, Cobble...the realization that I agreed with Dave on one point was so shocking that I found myself compelled to comment."

That's ok, BHI — Just try not to let it happen again. : P
#26
August 16, 2011 9:10 AM - More4Less
BHI, the Swiss are real estate shopping here. Maybe you can do a swap
#27
August 16, 2011 9:10 AM - brooklynheightsivyIII
To your first question: I went to Frette and bought new linens and towels followed by Fall wardrobe shopping at Hermes. I then went to a cocktail party where I may have met "the one." He is perfection.
Edited at August 16, 2011 9:10 AM
#28
August 16, 2011 9:14 AM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: "I then went to a cocktail party where I may have met "the one." He is perfection."

That would indicate that you also took him home and had sex with him already and that he didn't steal anything.

Tell us more.

.
#29
August 16, 2011 9:17 AM - brooklynheightsivyIII
This is my first choice...About 6million USD.
http://www.sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/detail/180-l-1254-4000022711/rare-art-nouveau-city-villa-in-zurich-zurich-zu-8044
Edited at August 16, 2011 9:16 AM
#30
August 16, 2011 9:19 AM - brooklynheightsivyIII
Ideally, I want to keep my house in BH AND buy in Zurich. With the rapidity of socially conservation actions on the part of our increasingly powerful right wing, my worry is that I will be in a concentration camp within two years with the other "degenerates." Best to have an escape plan...
#31
August 16, 2011 9:19 AM - MontroseMorris
Mornin', all.



#32
August 16, 2011 9:19 AM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: Don't worry, the Swiss can make you feel like you're in a concentration camp as well.
Edited at August 16, 2011 9:19 AM
#33
August 16, 2011 9:20 AM - cobblehiller
I don't understand Frette sheets.They're obscenely expensive, BHI!
Edited at August 16, 2011 9:20 AM
#34
August 16, 2011 9:20 AM - More4Less
wow, that's more than I expected for 6M USD
Edited at August 16, 2011 9:20 AM
#35
August 16, 2011 9:20 AM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: US Affirmed AAA by Fitch. Outlook Stable.
#36
August 16, 2011 9:21 AM - cobblehiller
"With the rapidity of socially conservation actions on the part of our increasingly powerful right wing, my worry is that I will be in a concentration camp within two years with the other "degenerates.""

Coward! Stay and suffer with the rest of us! We're going to need you in the coming rebellion!
#37
August 16, 2011 9:23 AM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: Isn't it the case that Frette does not sell extra pillow cases and that you only get two with a set? How does one sleep comfortable on just one pillow each???
#38
August 16, 2011 9:23 AM - brooklynheightsivyIII
Re: "The One." 25. Brown graduate(Art history major). Doesn't work and spends his time reading books and redecorating his loft in the West Village. He has enough of a trust fund so that my parents won't accuse me of supporting a "house boy," but not so large that he will become obnoxious or a drug addict. We have the same taste in clothes, William IV furniture and Pashley bicycles. He is shorter than I am(something I like) and looks like a Greek statue when unclothed. And sweet. He is terrifically sweet.
Edited at August 16, 2011 9:23 AM
#39
August 16, 2011 9:26 AM - brooklynheightsivyIII
Really, Cobble? I LOVE Frette sheets. I prefer Pratesi, but they don't have enough masculine choices. When the brown shirts come to power again, my dear, they probably will leave you alone because you are straight and white. If they don't, you can always come along and be my social secretary.
#40
August 16, 2011 9:26 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
This is an alienated and very
disenfranchised youth population,”

bite me. boo hoo world's smallest violin. they wanted free shit, it's as simple as that. if things got out of control here in nyc and the opportunity was there i'd be taking as much free shit as i could as well. im making turkey meatloaf tonight anyone have any good recipes?

*rob*

#41
August 16, 2011 9:28 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Re: "The One." 25. Brown graduate(Art history major). Doesn't work and spends his time reading books and redecorating his loft in the West Village. He has enough of a trust fund so that my parents won't accuse me of supporting a "house boy," but not so large that he will become obnoxious or a drug addict. We have the same taste in clothes, William IV furniture and Pashley bicycles. He is shorter than I am(something I like) and looks like a Greek statue when unclothed. And sweet. He is terrifically sweet.

i know it's wrong to with death on people, but i do on this person.

*rob*

#42
August 16, 2011 9:28 AM - brooklynheightsivyIII
According to the realtor I spoke to this morning in Zurich, houses outside of the gated "gold coast" directly on the lake are an absolute "bargain." I am not an oligarch, deposed Middle Eastern dictator or retired French actress, so I think I can risk living in the city with the "normal" people.
Edited at August 16, 2011 9:28 AM
#43
August 16, 2011 9:29 AM - Arkady
Porthault?
#44
August 16, 2011 9:29 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
both the subject, and the poster. waaaaaaaaaaa

omg WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!! someone on the train this morning was reading (let me find my bag, i wrote it down) a book, with a black man on the cover, called "What is the What" by dave eggers. im gonna google that book now.

*rob*

Edited at August 16, 2011 9:29 AM
#45
August 16, 2011 9:31 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
okay just googled that book it looks stupid and boring as hell

*rob*

Edited at August 16, 2011 9:31 AM
#46
August 16, 2011 9:31 AM - brooklynheightsivyIII
If rioting youths break into my house, I fear they will be very disappointed. If they don't want leather-bound books, metamorphic library furniture or tweed blazers, they will probably just burn the place down in frustration. I only own one television set and it doesn't even have cable.
Edited at August 16, 2011 9:31 AM
#47
August 16, 2011 9:32 AM - brooklynheightsivyIII
Porthault...again, too feminine. Noel & Porthault sheets remind me of my grandmother's country house.
#48
August 16, 2011 9:35 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
speaking of cable my new thing to do is buy an amped antennae (i have cable but not in my bedroom so i have to use a converter box but you need an amped antenna grrr to get any signals other than like two stations) so i go to a best buy and buy one (it's 40 dollars), but you get 2 weeks to return it and get a refund. works out perfectly every two weeks just go and return it. ive only done this twice so far and plan to buy another one today and return it a week from this friday so i have 40 dollars for the weekend. they do take your id tho, are you in the system? do they care if you return the same item every two weeks? i look at it like getting free tv and then getting 40 dollars for every other broke weekend. its not illegal to do that, but will they stop me at some point?

*rob*

#49
August 16, 2011 9:35 AM - Arkady
Zurich is such a drag - social life is all nouveau bankers.
Edited at August 16, 2011 9:35 AM
#50
August 16, 2011 9:38 AM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: Is there a safer place on earth?
#51
August 16, 2011 9:39 AM - rf
dibs, I think you are logged out again.
#52
August 16, 2011 9:40 AM - MontroseMorris
I used to be in the luxury bedding business. The prices people will pay for this stuff are jaw dropping. Unfortunately for me, the bottom dropped out of the industry, except for all but the most well known names, and they cut back big time. They don't call them luxuries for nothing.
#53
August 16, 2011 9:40 AM - cobblehiller
Cripes, sounds like you spend my quarterly budget on sheets! Insanity! Yes, they are nice, but they are....sheets! My puritanical side would never let me purchase them.
#54
August 16, 2011 9:42 AM - dibs
Yes, why am I getting logged out ?????????????????????????????????????

9:38 was not me though but the comment about the pillowcases was
#55
August 16, 2011 9:43 AM - cobblehiller
I don't think the brown shirts are going to like me, when I open my mouth and start dressing them down. I'm not exactly the type that 'goes along to get along'.
#56
August 16, 2011 9:43 AM - MontroseMorris
Rob, of course they are going to catch on. Just buy the damn thing. If you look at the time you spend going back and forth, as money, not to mention all of the drama incurred in returns, you've spent enough money to subscribe to Cablevision for several months already.
#57
August 16, 2011 9:45 AM - cobblehiller
My grandparents had nice (prolly expensive) smooth cool cotton sheets. My parents bought cheap no-iron poly/cotton blend sheets. I buy cheap but nice cotton sheets.
#58
August 16, 2011 9:45 AM - dibs
Makes more sense to sell your Metro card and then have to buy it back later at higher prices!!!!!!!!!!!!
#59
August 16, 2011 9:47 AM - cobblehiller
Rob, that sounds like an ABSURD amount of trouble to go to. I don't believe you do that.
#60
August 16, 2011 9:48 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
i go the best buys on my lunch hour at work so i dont consider it to be wasted time really. i do have cable, but only in the living room. im not sure why i dont just run a split cable into my room tho. i guess cuz wires look tacky along the wall. omg lol @ sheets. i havent owned a sheet in over 3 years!

*rob*

Edited at August 16, 2011 9:48 AM
#61
August 16, 2011 9:50 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
best buy is right up the street at work. it's NOT a lot of trouble. im going to buy the stupid anetanna again today with the intention of NOT returning, but i know come next friday im gonna have to return it lol. but at least ill have my money back and i got free tv for 2 weeks

*rob*

#62
August 16, 2011 9:50 AM - More4Less
Rob, the big stores track this crap. doing that frequently will get you tagged, grilled at the return window, and they potentially can ban your ass
#63
August 16, 2011 9:50 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
and BOOOOOOOOOOOO the date for the next meetup.

*rob*

#64
August 16, 2011 9:53 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
i know they must tag people who do returns, im just curious how many times can you do it. it's not illegal to return shit. and you can return it for any reason within 14 days. so what can they really say/do? other than it probably being annoying for them, i dont think they can ban you from a store for returning stuff.

*rob*

#65
August 16, 2011 9:53 AM - cobblehiller
"and BOOOOOOOOOOOO the date for the next meetup."

Fine. Don't come.
#66
August 16, 2011 9:54 AM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: It's a good book Rob, you should read it.
I saw your comment on Brownstoner turning into a "Hyper Hipster Asshole Blog" and you're right.
Covert Race /Class warfare at it's finest!

The What

I love the smell of napalm in the morning...
#67
August 16, 2011 9:55 AM - Arkady
CHiller - Those old sheets were probably linen - I still have them from my grandparents but they don't fit all my beds. I get 600 count cotton from Laytner's now - $60 for 2 queen-sized w/ pillow cases.
#68
August 16, 2011 9:55 AM - brooklynheightsivyIII
Montrose: When it comes to anything that helps me sleep, I am willing to pay what it costs. I thought Hästens mattresses were an absurd extravagance until I slept on one and now I cannot imagine owning any other kind.
#69
August 16, 2011 9:56 AM - More4Less
Rob, good luck with that returning stuff angle. let us know how well it goes or doesn't go.
Edited at August 16, 2011 9:56 AM
#70
August 16, 2011 9:57 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
your snobbery is annoying

*rob*

Edited at August 16, 2011 9:57 AM
#71
August 16, 2011 9:57 AM - Arkady
When Snappy wins the Lotto she's promised to buy me a Dux bed.
#72
August 16, 2011 9:58 AM - rf
I HATE sheet sets. What if I don't use a top sheet or I have 3 pillows? Ikea's sheets were all sold individually but they are changing over to sets. Ugh!
#73
August 16, 2011 9:58 AM - infinitejester
"Built like a Greek statue, but with fewer moves."

My sister lives in Geneva; she says Zurich is more fun. I'm going to visit next April I think.
#74
August 16, 2011 9:58 AM - cobblehiller
Yes, Arkady, they had both— the linen and cotton sheets. I have some of them, but I don't use them on my bed. I have a pile of bits of nice linens from both my grandmothers. I wish I had some of their carpets. They had some beautiful things that they brought back from their honeymoon trip around the world (literally).
#75
August 16, 2011 10:00 AM - BoerumHillScott
Does anyone really think that the country is getting more socially conservative, or that there will be any major social shift to the right over the next decade or so?

The public opinion, legal, and demographic trends all point in the the other direction.
#76
August 16, 2011 10:01 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
am i the only one who finds sheets disgusting? 1. they are ugly 2. they remind me of underwear and 3. they are too hospital looking. ugly, pointless, and hardly even functional. i do have a pink comforter that i take out on occassion but other than that i refuse to sleep draped in things like a mummy.

*rob*

Edited at August 16, 2011 10:01 AM
#77
August 16, 2011 10:02 AM - BoerumHillScott
We need a new fitted sheet now, and it is almost impossible to find one.

We have perfectly good flat sheets and pillow cases, but it seems like you almost have to buy an entire set to get the fitted.

Like most other aspects of my life as a consumer, I am quite happy with buying mainstream sheets of fairly low price.
#78
August 16, 2011 10:03 AM - petebklyn
are you saying you don't wear underwear too?
#79
August 16, 2011 10:04 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
or you could save yourself a ton of money and not use sheets. tho i guess if you are a mattress person that could be kinda gross too.

*rob*

#80
August 16, 2011 10:04 AM - petebklyn
friend of mine who was offered job in geneva said was prolly most boring city in europe.
Edited at August 16, 2011 10:04 AM
#81
August 16, 2011 10:04 AM - rf
That's what I liked about Ikea. They had some very comfortable sheets, and you could buy what you needed. No more!
#82
August 16, 2011 10:05 AM - petebklyn
swiss seem too much like nazi's to me. 2nd to austrians.
#83
August 16, 2011 10:05 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
i do wear underwear. but i find underwear disgusting.

*rob*

#84
August 16, 2011 10:06 AM - petebklyn
try washing them once in awhile. won't be so disgusting.
#85
August 16, 2011 10:06 AM - dibs
Maybe another reason he doesn't ever take anyone home!!!!!
#86
August 16, 2011 10:07 AM - petebklyn
fitted sheets today are to big... made for those stupid overthick mattresses that are so trendy. so now won't fit tight on regular mattress.
Edited at August 16, 2011 10:07 AM
#87
August 16, 2011 10:07 AM - infinitejester
Rob, you should read Dave Eggers's first book, A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius. You would seriously love it.
#88
August 16, 2011 10:07 AM - cobblehiller
"try washing them once in awhile. won't be so disgusting."

Snort!
Edited at August 16, 2011 10:07 AM
#89
August 16, 2011 10:08 AM - Arkady
Scott - Try Laytner's - there's one on Union just below 7th or go on line. They sell open stock.
I like soft, worn sheets - don't like crispy, ironed hotel bedding.
#90
August 16, 2011 10:08 AM - cobblehiller
"made for those stupid overthick mattresses that are so trendy."

I bought a twin for our quasi guest room. It's absurdly high/thick! Feels like the princess and the pea mattress!
Edited at August 16, 2011 10:08 AM
#91
August 16, 2011 10:10 AM - brooklynheightsivyIII
It seems like "the media" (on both sides) is only interested in ratings, thereby giving a larger amount of air time to socially conservative(and essentially crazy) right wingers. Though most of the population doesn't want government legislation over sex lives of consenting adults you would never know it from watching the news. I am disgusted with the politics and news of this country. Willfully ignorant people, those who believe prayer is an alternative with governing and those who preach about liberty while trying to deny to anyone different make me very angry. I don't think Obama has lived up to the hype, but I think it is a slippery slope when Republicans refuse to show the president any respect at all.
Edited at August 16, 2011 10:10 AM
#92
August 16, 2011 10:11 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
lol. i rarely wash underwear you can get them mad mad mad cheap at the dollar stores on 5th avenue. i like fresh new underwear, not used ones!!!! plus the thought of putting something so close to your private parts that you washed in a communical laundry room!? gack. for 10 bux you can get enough underwear to last a week from the dollar and value stores.



*rob*

#93
August 16, 2011 10:11 AM - cobblehiller
I love the sheets I bought at Laytner's. They're sort of satiny soft cotton, and have this little open stitch at the inside edge of the hem. They wash really nicely.
#94
August 16, 2011 10:13 AM - More4Less
it's a pain getting the blood stains (the kid often wakes up with a nose bleed) out from the sheets - ie if one doesn't wash the sheets/pillow case right there & then
#95
August 16, 2011 10:15 AM - More4Less
Rob, you busting our chops with the new undie post right?
Edited at August 16, 2011 10:15 AM
#96
August 16, 2011 10:16 AM - dibs
My sheets are nice and very high thread count. Just don't run a CSI UV light over them in between washings!!!
#97
August 16, 2011 10:16 AM - BoerumHillScott
I may have to have Wendy make a trip to Laytners.

I really would like to get a new fitted sheet before my parents come, since we only have one now and it is getting threadbare and starting to develop a few holes.


M4L, our son went through a time when he was getting several nosebleeds a week. His room had carpet, so we became experts on getting blood out of sheets and carpet.
Eventually, the doctor cauterized a vein inside his nose, and the number of nosebleeds went down dramatically.

#98
August 16, 2011 10:16 AM - cobblehiller
"i rarely wash underwear you can get them mad mad mad cheap at the dollar stores on 5th avenue."

Yet another reason you are broke. Wash them at home by hand if you don't like the public machines.
#99
August 16, 2011 10:17 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
ew. sheets trap too much DNA evidence.

*rob*

August 16, 2011 10:18 AM - Arkady
M4L - Just let them soak in cold water until you want to deal w/ them.
Religion is destroying this country. Aside from its polarizing effects & encouragement of ignorance it's now putting lives at risk. At the country fair accident a rescue worker suggested they pray before starting to help people!
August 16, 2011 10:18 AM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: Wasn't it Roy Cohn who had to have a brand new fresh brief everyday or am I making that up?
August 16, 2011 10:18 AM - BoerumHillScott
So, what's the alternative for that "DNA evidence?"
Let it seep into the sofa/mattress?


August 16, 2011 10:19 AM - dibs
ew. sheets trap too much DNA evidence.

*rob*

Not from your place they don't. When's the last time you had sex with another human being??????
Edited at August 16, 2011 10:19 AM
August 16, 2011 10:21 AM - dibs
"Religion is destroying this country. Aside from its polarizing effects & encouragement of ignorance it's now putting lives at risk. At the country fair accident a rescue worker suggested they pray before starting to help people!"

I believe this as well. It all stems from the fact that people are less and less educated and therefore more gullible and prone to suggestion, the same way the radical Muslims attract youth to their causes.


August 16, 2011 10:21 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Rob, you busting our chops with the new undie post right?

no. ask snappy. she was the one who first introduced me to the wonders of DII on 5th avenue. fresh underwears for every day! reusing underewear is skanky. i do reuse some tho, i have a few favorite pair of underwears but for the most part i prefer a fresh pair everyday


*rob*

Edited at August 16, 2011 10:21 AM
August 16, 2011 10:21 AM - cobblehiller
"Religion is destroying this country. "

Couldn't agree more.
August 16, 2011 10:22 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
When's the last time you had sex with another human being??????

my right hand > other human beings

*rob*

Edited at August 16, 2011 10:22 AM
August 16, 2011 10:22 AM - petebklyn
Roy Cohn - a self-hating gay bigot. Is there a correlation between wanting new undies everyday and..?
August 16, 2011 10:23 AM - Slopefarm
I read What Is the What and it is a good read, but I had qualms the entire time about reliability. All that business about it being a novel by Eggers but at the same time an actual account of the events left me wondering where the moorings were. I like to know when i'm reading fiction vs. nonfiction. But we seem to live in the age of Truthiness now.

rob, if you do read it and see what "the what" means in the book, it may give you a clue about how "the what" here derived his moniker. I'm sure what will comment and trash this conjecture on my part, but I would not be surprised if that's where the name comes from.

dibs -- you didn't quote the Jarndyce reference.
August 16, 2011 10:23 AM - dibs
Cobble & I agree, once again.


August 16, 2011 10:24 AM - cobblehiller
"I believe this as well. It all stems from the fact that people are less and less educated and therefore more gullible and prone to suggestion"

Yep. People aren't being taught to THINK in school anymore. Just to memorize and take tests. I also think the media contributes a huge amount of fear mongering, which terrorizes people.
August 16, 2011 10:24 AM - boerumresident
GM, everyone.

Where can you still get old-fashioned spring mattresses that flip over? I am pretty sure IKEA still does it that way, but it seems like Macy's, Sleepy's etc. have given up.

I loathe the contemporary no-flip 13" thick style -- CH is right that it's very princess/pea.
Edited at August 16, 2011 10:24 AM
August 16, 2011 10:24 AM - cobblehiller
"Cobble & I agree, once again."

Dammit! I hate when that happens! : P
August 16, 2011 10:26 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
LMFAO, when were people EVER taught to think in school!?!

*rob*

August 16, 2011 10:26 AM - More4Less
rob, that's why you have fund shortage - your new undie routine is very "high roller" - aka like those rappers with their new socks & kicks routine
August 16, 2011 10:27 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
lol more4less, do you not think i also return that shit too?

*rob*

Edited at August 16, 2011 10:27 AM
August 16, 2011 10:28 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
just kidding. i would never return underwear haha gross

*rob*

August 16, 2011 10:29 AM - BoerumHillScott
My take on Christian religion is that it is getting louder and more organized, but its overall influence is going down.

I get the feeling that they are making a "last stand" in a culture war that they are loosing.
August 16, 2011 10:30 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
when my student loan deferrment/forebearment whatever it's called is over on october 1st tho im gonna have start washing my underwear :(

*rob*

August 16, 2011 10:30 AM - cobblehiller
"My take on Christian religion is that it is getting louder and more organized, but its overall influence is going down.
I get the feeling that they are making a "last stand" in a culture war that they are loosing."

I hope you're right, BHS.
August 16, 2011 10:32 AM - More4Less
Rob, maybe it's cheaper for you to wear diapers instead of this new undie routine. LOL
Edited at August 16, 2011 10:32 AM
August 16, 2011 10:36 AM - dibs
If you would shake off the extra dribbles and whipe your ass better, you wouldn't even need underwear.
August 16, 2011 10:36 AM - Legion
I see it's time for a Legion Reality Check:

Regarding the "scary Right Wing taking over",
let's go over some recent history:

-which group wants to bring back the "fairness doctrine",
the idiotic idea that the government can determine what goes out on the airwaves (in other words: restricting free speech)

-Which government appointee actually states that we have too much freedom as Americans and that the First Amendment needs to modified? Hint Obama's Regulatory Czar: Cass Sunstein

-Which group of Americans has been prone to hijack the Democratic process wholesale as exemplified by the Wisconsin Democrats who went so far as to hide out in neighboring states in order to deny the citizens of that state their rightful representation?

-Which group wants to curtail the Second amendment outright?

-Which group stokes the fire of class warfare with every campaign talking point?

You do know that Stalin has been credited with killing 25 million of his countrymen in his attempt to expand leftist ideology while Mao is credited with 30 million deaths in his attempt to "re-educate" the population. Not sure where exactly the fear of the Right wing here in the US is coming from.
I could go on but really, you folks should know better.
Edited at August 16, 2011 10:36 AM
August 16, 2011 10:39 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
i thought the world was over next year in 2012. ive decided not to worry about a single thing anymore and just hope with ever fiber of my being that the all out apocalypse happens.

*rob*

August 16, 2011 10:40 AM - More4Less
Rob, I hope your prediction is complete crap. I like more time on this round globe
August 16, 2011 10:44 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
not me. being a human is boring as hell. being a mammal is boring for the most part. i think whatever i come back as in my next life ill enjoy it much much more. human communication skills annoy me which is why im so bored.

*rob*

Edited at August 16, 2011 10:44 AM
August 16, 2011 10:44 AM - infinitejester
The left is always willing to bend or break the rules in the name of preserving "rational" ideas against "irrational" ones. Same as it ever was.
Edited at August 16, 2011 10:44 AM
August 16, 2011 10:44 AM - rf
Legion, comparing the Democrats to Mao and Stalin is not very convincing.
August 16, 2011 10:45 AM - BoerumHillScott
What do Stalin and Mao have to do with American liberals?

I'll raise you one and say that Hitler was a right wing conservative.
Edited at August 16, 2011 10:45 AM
August 16, 2011 10:46 AM - Legion
How could "religion" be losing the culture war when the leftists in this country are doing everything possible to enable extremists of one religion (Islam) to weaken the foundations of the nation which protects the rights of all?

That never made sense in my opinion. We have a loose amalgamation of Leftists, radical Islamists and Anarchists all working together to foment discord in the USA which is seen as the ultimate source of personal freedoms.
If anything the demise of "right wing" (read Christian) influence will only strengthen the influcence of more radical and less tolerant religion.

(Please, let's not bring up the Inquisition. I'm trying to keep the topic relevant to the last 100 years)
August 16, 2011 10:47 AM - BoerumHillScott
Neither side of the American political system is philosophically or intellectually pure.
Both have plenty of inconsistencies and exceptions, both at the level of individual leaders and overall party platforms.

Both bend and break rules to satisfy the needs and desires of their supporters.
August 16, 2011 10:48 AM - Legion
"What do Stalin and Mao have to do with American liberals?

I'll raise you one and say that Hitler was a right wing conservative."


BHS,
What did Communist Russia have to do with China?
What did Communist China have to do with Pol Pot?
What did they have to do with Cuba?
You get the idea, don't you?

Hitler? NAZI stands for National Socialist Workers Party
Edited at August 16, 2011 10:48 AM
August 16, 2011 10:49 AM - dibs
Did you see that the preacher who was found dead in the W Hotel had an envelope of "white powder" on him.
August 16, 2011 10:50 AM - Legion
"Legion, comparing the Democrats to Mao and Stalin is not very convincing."

Oh, but comparing the Republican/conservatives to Brown Shirts is?
Please read all comments on the thread as I always do. That Brown Shirt reference is cobble's I believe.

August 16, 2011 10:51 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
i wonder if when he was found dead he had on dirty used underwear

*rob*

Edited at August 16, 2011 10:51 AM
August 16, 2011 10:51 AM - MontroseMorris
"It seems like "the media" (on both sides) is only interested in ratings, thereby giving a larger amount of air time to socially conservative(and essentially crazy) right wingers. Though most of the population doesn't want government legislation over sex lives of consenting adults you would never know it from watching the news. I am disgusted with the politics and news of this country. Willfully ignorant people, those who believe prayer is an alternative with governing and those who preach about liberty while trying to deny to anyone different make me very angry. I don't think Obama has lived up to the hype, but I think it is a slippery slope when Republicans refuse to show the president any respect at all."

Well said, BHI, well said.

Just yesterday, some Tea Party "official" had the nerve to call Obama out in a Q&A at a public appearance. I'm sorry. I know I'm probably going to get reamed out for seeing race in this, but Obama is the only president in modern history who has been disrespected by his own citizenry to this extent. And I have to say it's greatly due to race. In spite of the fact that he is the duly elected president of the United States, some of them, including elected officials in Congress and elsewhere, treat him like he's just another black guy that they can talk to like he's their yard man. Many people did not think much of George Bush, but when addressing him in public, even criticizing his policies, MOST people gave the office its props, and at least addressed him with some kind of respect. Of course, someone will find the one or two people who did not, but they were not the norm.

But with Obama, it seems that every yahoo with a cause think they can just talk to him like he's no one important. He's the friggin' President, and it's really time these people get called on the carpet for it. And I blame the Republicans and the Right for tolerating it, as well as the Democrats for not demanding due respect. When members of Congress call the President a "liar" during the State of the Union, and there are no repercussions, then everyone should be ashamed, and should be upset by it. In the old days, both sides would have lined up to slap around that Congressman, and it probably would have ended his career. We've really gone downhill fast.
Edited at August 16, 2011 10:51 AM
August 16, 2011 10:53 AM - infinitejester
I was listening to a radio program this weekend I thought was neutral but a few things they said annoyed me.
Edited at August 16, 2011 10:53 AM
August 16, 2011 10:53 AM - BoerumHillScott
What mainstream Democrat is advocating a system anything close to China, USSR, Cambodia, or Cuba?

In their wildest dreams, they are aiming for us to be more like Sweden.


August 16, 2011 10:54 AM - dibs
Hitler's issues stem from his monorchism. As, most likely did napoleon's as well.
Edited at August 16, 2011 10:54 AM
August 16, 2011 10:56 AM - Slopefarm
Yes, there has to be a Stalin corrollary to Godwin's law. Dems adhere to a 2nd amendment consensus that S.Ct. maintained for a century until the Roberts Court.

"Stokes the fire of class warfare"?? A bit overheated, dontcha think?

And, talk about democratic process in Wisconsin? Which party enacted a voter ID law then defunded the DMV to curtail window hours right before the recall elections to make it harder to get IDs? Supporters of which party sent out mailings to Dems purporting to provide official information that voting was on Thursday (as opposed to Tuesday)?
August 16, 2011 10:56 AM - Legion
MM,
I keep the blog on my list just for those occasions where someone wants to forget the virulent hate speech directed at Bush.
I'm not here to defend every Bush policy as I didn't support all of them, but I will point out that Obama is by no means the first President to be disrespected.

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621
August 16, 2011 10:57 AM - BoerumHillScott
On the grand scale of global politics over the last century, all meaningful political organizations in the United States today fit in a very narrow space on the spectrum.


August 16, 2011 10:58 AM - dibs
Yes, Legion, there was a LOT of hate directed at bush. No one has yet referred to Obama as the "village idiot." or burned him in effigy.


August 16, 2011 10:59 AM - MontroseMorris
Oh come on, Legion. The old screed that the Left is opening the door to Sharia law, or some kind of Muslim theocracy in this country is simply absurd. I'd have an easier time believing that aliens walk among us, and are poised for intergalactic takeover. Unless the aliens are the ones planting these nutball ideas, in which case, maybe they will cause intergalactic takeover, because you'd have to have your brain fried to cottage cheese to really believe that.
Edited at August 16, 2011 10:59 AM
August 16, 2011 10:59 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
I know I'm probably going to get reamed out for seeing race in this, but Obama is the only president in modern history who has been disrespected by his own citizenry to this extent. And I have to say it's greatly due to race.

that's hard to say really. there is no time in the history of earth that earth has been more fucked up than it is right now. bad timing for obama, but thems the breaks. of course whoever the current president is will be blamed for the sorry state of our world. there is no coming back from this point. we are DOOMED! (and im lovin' every minute of it)


*rob*

August 16, 2011 11:00 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
actually im not loving every minute of it, i just feel like there's no point in fretting over things you cant change anymore. since i never breeded, it's all good i guess


*rob*

Edited at August 16, 2011 11:00 AM
August 16, 2011 11:01 AM - Legion
"What mainstream Democrat is advocating a system anything close to China, USSR, Cambodia, or Cuba?"

Anita Dunn
Van Jones
Donald Berwick
Carol Browner
Cass Sunstein
etc
etc
etc


Edited at August 16, 2011 11:01 AM
August 16, 2011 11:02 AM - WonTon
Re: Sheets. I get beautiful all-cotton hand embroidered sets from a designer based in Asia called Margaret Muir. They are affordable (a set is @@150), and unusual and beautiful. The photo doesn't quite do them justice.
Edited at August 16, 2011 11:02 AM
August 16, 2011 11:02 AM - Legion
slopefarm,

The Supreme Court has spoken on the 2nd amendment.
It sided with the right for citizens to bear arms.
period.
Edited at August 16, 2011 11:02 AM
August 16, 2011 11:04 AM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: I fear MM is right there is something more behind this attempt to take down the president and discredit him.

August 16, 2011 11:04 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
omg how is 150 dollars for sheets "affordable!?". i bet you think 10 dollar scoops of ice cream are a total steal!!!


*rob*

August 16, 2011 11:04 AM - Legion
dibs,
how soon they all forget,
Bush even had a movie made about his assassination!

You won't hear about that reading only the NY Times folks.
Edited at August 16, 2011 11:04 AM
August 16, 2011 11:05 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
I fear MM is right there is something more behind this attempt to take down the president and discredit him.

sounds like an excuse. i dont know, im sure in some ways youre right tho. there are mad racists out there. but he truly is one of the most incompetent presidents we've ever had.

*rob*

August 16, 2011 11:06 AM - dibs
I'm starting to wish for an ignore button for rob.
Edited at August 16, 2011 11:06 AM
August 16, 2011 11:08 AM - MontroseMorris
Legion, I already said in my initial remark that there were those who disrespected Bush. Fine, you found a few. That does not excuse the behavior shown to this president, which I feel is largely racially motivated.

I happen to think that the office demands respect, no matter who is in it. I couldn't stand George Bush, or his policies, but when he was in office, he was the President, and those who disrespected that office were wrong, even if I agree with what they were saying. They helped cheapen the respect for the office. That doesn't make what this current crop is doing right, not in the least, and they shouldn't be excused because of past actions by other people. Obama is not a placeholder, he's not the stand-in, he's the duly elected President. You don't stand there and yell at the President like he's a high school basketball coach, and your kid got benched. Where is the respect?
Edited at August 16, 2011 11:08 AM
August 16, 2011 11:09 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
I happen to think that the office demands respect, no matter who is in it.

that is batshit INSANE

*rob*

August 16, 2011 11:09 AM - rf
And I am starting to wish an ignore button for Legion. Oh well, I can scroll down.
Edited at August 16, 2011 11:09 AM
August 16, 2011 11:10 AM - WonTon
Well, rob, these sheets last me for a long time. I launder them carefully and never put them in the dryer. For instance, I have had this set for 10 years.
Edited at August 16, 2011 11:10 AM
August 16, 2011 11:11 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
you need a little bit of color in that room

*rob*

August 16, 2011 11:11 AM - petebklyn
wasn't there a recent quote of rick perry calling obama a 'black cloud' hanging over america.
Edited at August 16, 2011 11:11 AM
August 16, 2011 11:12 AM - BoerumHillScott
Bush was really skewered by the left from day one.

I think many were in denial over the 2000 election results.
My favorite is how many totally hated "No Child Left Behind," and blamed of its problems on Bush's stupidity, when it was written by Kennedy.


My gut feeling is that Obama is taking more heat, and at least some of it is racially based.
August 16, 2011 11:12 AM - petebklyn
I never heard of any of those people on legions list of mainstream democrats.
Edited at August 16, 2011 11:12 AM
August 16, 2011 11:12 AM - Legion
MM,
The President's approval ratings are below 40%.
He was elected by 52% of the vote.
Sounds to me like he's losing on performance.
I don't believe in disrespecting any President by the way,
they deserve all our respect. However, if they are wrong, that should be pointed out by the citizens who elected them.

If the media did its job properly and asked the tough questions perhaps the discourse wouldn't degenerate to such a base level.
August 16, 2011 11:13 AM - dibs
you need a little bit of color in that room

*rob*

Preferably on top of you on the bed!!!!!!!!
August 16, 2011 11:14 AM - BoerumHillScott
I think it is fair to say that Obama has been a disappointment for the majority of people, including many who voted for him
August 16, 2011 11:15 AM - Legion
rf,
You can hear me now and believe me later!
Edited at August 16, 2011 11:15 AM
August 16, 2011 11:16 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
since i dont vote, he wasnt a disappointment. but as an american im allowed to voice my opinions from the sidelines if i choose to. i just feel like he makes me poorer. and that sucks. i could care less about any of his other policies.


*rob*

August 16, 2011 11:17 AM - dibs
"I think it is fair to say that Obama has been a disappointment for the majority of people, including many who voted for him"

That would include me.

He CONTINUES to rant about Congress being dysfunctional and that jobs are the isuues YET HE IS PROPOSING NOTHING.

The people see this weakness in leadership and lack of initiative and are getting more and more upset over it.
August 16, 2011 11:17 AM - Deleted
quick question for the tech nerdies out there.

i've been scouting out time warner internet service for my new place - seems they have a new service called "wideband" which downloads at 50Mbps - but is 100 bux a month. I currently have FIOS which is 25 or 30MBps - and stream alot of video to my tv and works very well.

so should i spring for the 50MB wideband? i think the next fastest TWC offers is 15MBps - is that fast enough to stream music/video over wifi?
August 16, 2011 11:18 AM - Legion
"I never heard of any of those people on legions list of mainstream democrats."

pete,
That's because the mainstream press is not doing its job.
That list includes people influencing all levels of policy from communications to health.

August 16, 2011 11:21 AM - Deleted
legion

honey badger

awesome
August 16, 2011 11:22 AM - Deleted
b
August 16, 2011 11:24 AM - Legion
DH,
"Honey Badgers don't give a shit!"
Edited at August 16, 2011 11:24 AM
August 16, 2011 11:25 AM - WonTon
I didn't vote for Obama. I sensed two things that unsettled me. First that he was deeply over his head and too inexperienced for the job--a huge issue for me since this was a moment where the U.S. desperately needed strong, experienced leadership. I also felt he was shallow, not a person who was in the political game because of strong convictions about anything other than his own career ambitions.

I hate the Republican party, and my politics are pretty far left, but I voted for McCain, because I thought he was the stronger candidate of the two. I still do.
August 16, 2011 11:27 AM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: Hey Racist Assfucks!!!
Anyone left to defend Brownstoner????!!
Fucking Motherfucking Asshole!!!!!
iCrime Wave Continues in Greene Hill
"OK, looks like it’s time to lose the white earphones and keep your Apple products in your pocket…The Brooklyn Paper reports six iPhone-related muggings in the Fort Greene/Clinton Hill area last week, including a 34-year-old man who was approached by a couple of fellows who said “What’s Up” before punching him in the face repeatedly until he gave up his iPhone. The thieves then adjourned to Choice Greene where they used the phone to check in on Foursquare while pick up an aged gruyere and some artisanal sausages. Well, maybe not."

Come on guys please defend this bullshit, let take a peek from the sheets, Mkay????!!!!!!

Where's MM at, Oh she's picking his kids up from summer school..

The What

Someday this war is gonna end...
Edited at August 16, 2011 11:27 AM
August 16, 2011 11:28 AM - BoerumHillScott
Full quality DVD requires around 1.5 MB/s, and full 1080p video requires up to 5 Mb/s, depending on compression levels.

I would only go for the more expensive package if you routinely download (not stream) entire movies, and even then chances are that the services on the other side could not deliver them that fast.
Edited at August 16, 2011 11:28 AM
August 16, 2011 11:28 AM - MontroseMorris
Legion, Bush won his second election by going to the Supreme Court, he did not have a mandate from the majority. To this day, many people think he stole the election, and some pretty good arguments can be made to support that. However, when the dust settled, he was the president, like it or not. Obama clearly won the election. 52% did the job, no matter what you want to make of the numbers. Yet from day 2, he was subjected to stupid questions about his birth, his "allegiance" to his Muslim father's religion, his "socialism", and all sorts of idiotic stuff no president in the history of this country has had to endure, while also trying to fix an unfixable economy in the process of circling the bowl. He never had the respect of the other side, who stated from the day after the inauguration that their mission in life was to make it impossible for him to get anything done, and to make sure he was a one-term president. Add to that the general tone of disrespect, and I think that history will find, no matter what happens in 2012, that we did a wondrous thing in electing a black man in 2008, and then reverted back to 1954 in the way many in this country treated him as a man, and as president.
Edited at August 16, 2011 11:28 AM
August 16, 2011 11:28 AM - More4Less
DH, I consistently get the 40-50 mbps on my Clear mobile hotspot. $45/month
Edited at August 16, 2011 11:28 AM
August 16, 2011 11:30 AM - brooklynheightsivyIII
Rick Perry pissed me off more than usual yesterday when he said that once Obama is out of office "our brave men and women in the armed forces will once again have a commander and chief they respect." That was treasonous. And what is that supposed to mean? We can go back to fighting wars where our stated enemy(OBL, for example) gets to live in a villa in Pakistan? The drums of war are beating louder and louder for Iran. Ugh...I have to stop.
August 16, 2011 11:30 AM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: " I consistently get the 40-50 mbps on my Clear mobile hotspot. $45/month"

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The What

Someday this war is gonna end...
August 16, 2011 11:30 AM - BoerumHillScott
Anyone else using a Verizon land line or DSL?

My service has been really bad for the last 2 weeks, with static on the phone lines and frequent DSL drops.
August 16, 2011 11:31 AM - dibs
Hey What.....I added something to that thread....

Why no physical descriptions of the assailants????

You are assuming something not in evidence.

Who's the racist now??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
August 16, 2011 11:31 AM - More4Less
WHAT, if that aint the case, then it's a miracle them HD porn videos are consistently glitch free
August 16, 2011 11:32 AM - dibs
"The drums of war are beating louder and louder for Iran. "

Israel is the main drumbeater.
August 16, 2011 11:33 AM - gay smurf hoodlum
what, i saw some twatwaffle chick in park slope get her phone swiped out of her hand by two ten year olds last week!!!
she was screaming "get them!!! he stole my phone waaaaah he stole my phone"

*rob*

August 16, 2011 11:35 AM - MontroseMorris
Very funny, what. Now are you saying there is something dirty or dishonest about being a caregiver to someone's child? It's a job, one that I'm sure someone is glad to have. At least it's better than being some lonely, pitiful, ranting fool, trying so hard to get someone, anyone, to listen to his repetitive droning. Go take your meds and lie down for a while.
August 16, 2011 11:36 AM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: Well Dave, when the beach was up, it's wasn't about race, it's was about a community of people enjoying my website.
Brownstoner creates a hostile environment between Whites and Blacks for no reason. It's not about Real Estate anymore, he's crossed the Rubicon!

As far of the descriptions of the Perps, he got blasted for that!

This is how 'things' get started Dave..

The What

Someday this war is gonna end..

August 16, 2011 11:38 AM - DeadCatBounce
Legion, because someone makes a ludicrous "brown shirt" analogy, does not mean that that is the way to win a debate.
Never argue with someone who argues at this level, because they will bring you down to thir level, and then beat you with experience.
August 16, 2011 11:39 AM - Legion
MM,

No, I'm afraid no argument could be mad for Bush losing his elections.
The recount in Florida was done 3 times and in the end he did win.
Continuing along those lines is what makes the political climate so contentious.
He also won a plurality of states in both elections.

Again, I'm not here to defend Bush policies. I'm basically stating that all politicians should be held accountable for their policies by the people. If you feel you are better off next November than you were in 2008 then vote for Obama. If not, vote for the opposition.
August 16, 2011 11:39 AM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: "WHAT, if that aint the case, then it's a miracle them HD porn videos are consistently glitch free"

You need a course on MPEG 4 compression bit rates. If you was getting 40-50 MPS, that service would cost 100+ a month!!!

Very few towers can pump out that stream, that's why cell phone companies have place caps on bandwidth! $0-50 MPS. RIGHT!!

Nice try Homie, see how lies and bullshit get started??!!!

The What

Someday this war is gonna end....
August 16, 2011 11:40 AM - DeadCatBounce
There are now so many stock market commentators sounding like "Mr What" that I consider a further market sell off unlikely until the chorus grows quiet.
August 16, 2011 11:40 AM - More4Less
DCB, I've been using recently your arguing with idiot line with much fanfare. I did give you credit for it
August 16, 2011 11:41 AM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: "Never argue with someone who argues at this level, because they will bring you down to thir level, and then beat you with experience."

Never argue with someone who argues at this level, because they will bring you down to thir level, and then beat you with the facts.

Here fixed for you!

The What

Someday this war is gonna end..
August 16, 2011 11:42 AM - Slopefarm
Every political argument is a rerun around here. Seems only one party was thinking dialectically enough to hold a gun to the head of our credit rating.
August 16, 2011 11:42 AM - More4Less
Check b4 you run into the door. there is no $100 plan idiot. $45 plan is it.
August 16, 2011 11:43 AM - Legion
I hear you DCB.
Funny thing is,
I'm quite liberal myself on many issues, but I find myself defending right wing positions here frequently because I know the truth lies somewhere in between.
August 16, 2011 11:45 AM - MontroseMorris
What community? No one creates a "community" that you have to ask to join, and then ends up with 6 people. A real community is created by anyone having the freedom to jump in and belong, if they so choose.

And please. Brownstoner is read by a very small demographic, in a small area of a much larger Brooklyn. Any "hostile environment between blacks and whites" in Brooklyn certainly was not created by a local blog that is not read by the majority of the people, black, white or otherwise. You keep saying Jon ain't all that, yet you give him the ability to incite the populace to near-riot. Right.
Edited at August 16, 2011 11:45 AM
August 16, 2011 11:46 AM - dibs
Hey numbskull....

There's nothing racist about it if race isn't mentioned.

Christ, what a jackass you are today.

Hopefully the cops shoot one of these kids stealing an iPhone and maybe the rest will take notice.



Edited at August 16, 2011 11:46 AM
August 16, 2011 11:48 AM - DeadCatBounce
Here is my thinking, Legion. It is so hard to change another person's thinking on a matter of conviction that you really have to choose your timing and approach carefully.
I think this was Benson's mistake. He had a point to make, but he fired off like a loose cannon. And then when his approach was rebuffed, he got insulted and left.
Which left him and us in a less good place then before he posted.
August 16, 2011 11:49 AM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: "Check b4 you run into the door. there is no $100 plan idiot. $45 plan is it."

You have has an issue with READING COMPREHENSION!!!!!

If you was getting 40-50 MPS that plan would cost 100+ per month.

I'm on the Clear Wireless website right now - Look like 25/5 to me!

Too bad there're going bankrupt, Spring and T-Moble is going to get Cornholed for giving them all that money!

The What

Someday this war is gonna end..
August 16, 2011 11:50 AM - Legion
I would like to see more funny What gifs posted.
I was voted down however. That's democracy.
That's how it goes, so I deal with it.
August 16, 2011 11:51 AM - Legion
DCB,
I hope benson decides to begin posting again,
I enjoyed reading his comments.

...and where has Donatella been hiding lately?
August 16, 2011 11:54 AM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: " It is so hard to change another person's thinking on a matter of conviction"

OK Fucktard, let go!

Gas is at $ FUCKING DOLLARS!
FOOD PRICES ARE AT ALL TIME HIGH!
UNEMPLOYMENT IS SKYROCKING!!
THE FED HAS A ZTRP RATE POLICY THAT'S SKULLFUCKING THE SAVERS
THE QUILTY OD FIFE IS GOING DOWN THE DRAIN!!!!
OBAMA IS A FUCKING FAILURE!!!!!!

That's not "Perception" that's the reality....

The What

Someday this war is gonna end...
August 16, 2011 11:54 AM - More4Less
WHAT, I'll give you that. bankruptcy would screw over the shareholders but the partners and customers will probably be OK. Sprint will probably just buy them out of bankruptcy for cheap
August 16, 2011 11:58 AM - Slopefarm
I hear you, deadcat. I may spar a bit but I have no illusions that anyone is convincing anyone on politics on the OT. It's a small community and we are all really opinionated. I like benson, but he had trouble with that and tended both to take things personally and view things in a sufficiently absolutist way that it was hard to keep discussing things with those that disagreed. Web discourse always sounds amplified and, if what we have here is really a watercooler discussion amongst cyber-friends and cyber quasi-friends, it pays to take a deep breath, stay cool, and back off the politics after a few heated exchanges. It is very difficult to have a conversation where we peel back the talking points and get to a nuanced consideration of things amongst friends because, sooner or later, someone will fire back with a bunch of talking points, so it often feels like a pointless exercise or worse to actually want to dig in on any issue with shared curiosity. Our community is the lesser for it, but at least we have the rarity of people with differing views talking to each other and exchanging views. That is far rarer than it used to be, for a variety of demographic, sociological and political reasons.
August 16, 2011 11:59 AM - Slopefarm
"THE QUILTY OD FIFE IS GOING DOWN THE DRAIN!!!!"

Anyone care to articulate an opposing view on this?

August 16, 2011 12:02 PM - Slopefarm
legion, dona and benson more or less blogacided, both brownstoner and I think here. I would like to see them come back, too, though I hope benson could let more comments roll off like water on a duck's back.
August 16, 2011 12:02 PM - minard lafever
I don't think Americans are treating Obama less respectfully than other presidents. Americans are very critical of authority and the two-party system makes for a guaranteed opposition. Remember the the Will Farell skits on SNL? I don't think you can get less respectful than that. By contrast the Fred Armesen's skits of Obama are actually mild and quite funny. He crossed the line a bit portraying Paterson but that's because he was making fun of him being blind.
I'm glad we don't have a "dear leader" sort of society and people who go into politics have to develop very thick skins.
August 16, 2011 12:03 PM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: ********CRICKETS***********

That what happen when you bang the truth on motherfuckers!!!

I'm going to earn a living while the US Clownbuck is worth something!

Suck it well Montrose...

The What

Someday this war is gonna end...
August 16, 2011 12:07 PM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: I miss Donatella she is a ray of sunshine.

What do you mean she commited blogacide?
Edited at August 16, 2011 12:07 PM
August 16, 2011 12:08 PM - BoerumHillScott
I have a hard time personally relating to doom and gloom type predictions for the future.

I am considerably better off financially than my parents, I am happy with my life overall, and I see no major roadblocks ahead.
August 16, 2011 12:11 PM - More4Less
mkt about to go green for the day. someone let me know when the gloom & doom actually shows up in the mkt
Edited at August 16, 2011 12:11 PM
August 16, 2011 12:12 PM - minard lafever
Scott, when the doom and gloom predictions stop, that's when we worry!

August 16, 2011 12:15 PM - minard lafever
I'm off to lunch at a place with a nice view of the Harbor. The weather has picked up enough that it will be very pleasant. So relaxing to see the sailboats gliding by. Battery Park City is so nice in the summer.


August 16, 2011 12:17 PM - More4Less
no wonder I don't see his ass on ABC sports segment anymore:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/former_sportscaster_marvell_scott_7kv1ZSCjvJZK4FaXTZCz6L
August 16, 2011 12:20 PM - More4Less
wow, another bored kid with too much free time on their hands - nothing but trouble:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/boarding_school_bandit_pleads_to_hFiXR7mISBGtYaGBsHo6qN
Edited at August 16, 2011 12:20 PM
August 16, 2011 12:22 PM - dibs
"I have a hard time personally relating to doom and gloom type predictions for the future."

Then you apparently aren't part of the "lunatic fringe." Come on, get with it.


Edited at August 16, 2011 12:22 PM
August 16, 2011 12:27 PM - Slopefarm
I mean, I think dona was PO'd about the demise of the OT. ALthough I think she also said that she is focused on finding new employment and doesn't have much time for this.

As for respect for the presidency -- I think there is always going to be a healthy amount of namecalling and course discourse from commentators, the public, advocates, entertainers, etc. It happened with Bush, happens with Obama, really every president. The founders adopted false names so they could attack each other viciously while continuing to work together. On this, my view is probably mroe aligned with legion. Where I tend to agree with Montrose, however, is the discourse of national elected leaders. I don't recall a moment comparable to "you lie!" where a federal elected democrat interrupted a speech by President Bush by yelling out a challenge to his integrity. Likewise, I don't recall a sitting dem governor, in challenging Bush's military policies (and there was much to challenge) to insinuate a lack of respect from the troops. While partisanship is to be expected and is part of the system, I expect presidents, senators, congressmembers, governors, etc. to express that partisanship with a healthier respect for the office of the presidency. I see the lines blurring far more than before as to what is acceptable discourse inside the chambers of government as opposed to outside, where far more is fair game -- and I am troubled by that.

August 16, 2011 12:38 PM - MontroseMorris
I don't expect the "dear leader", our prez can do no wrong kind of fawning from anyone. I have no problems with satire or political comedy either. Some of it is absolutely brilliant and very funny. I think Slopey's points on the subject are well said. Also, it might be added that if elected officials don't show respect for the office, it's no wonder the man on the street doesn't. That is indeed troubling.
August 16, 2011 12:43 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
lol, so im floating across broadway with my head in the clouds and i hear "WATCH OUT!" i almost walked right in front of a moving car. ugh

*rob*

August 16, 2011 12:44 PM - brooklynheightsivyIII
Oh dear, still talking politics...
August 16, 2011 12:45 PM - Deleted
Hello folks;

I heard that you were talking about me. A few words in my defense:

-yes, indeed - I have decided to no longer participate in this OT.

-I would ask folks to go back to the encounter that led to my demise. If you do so, I believe you will see that I did not take the matter personally, nor was I insulted about what happened.

-My decision was due to my belief that there is a double-standard at play. I do not want to get into it, because I doubt that I will change anyone's mind on the topic. Suffice it to say that the passage of a couple of week's time has not changed my belief on the matter.

-No hard feelings, and best wishes to all. It was time for me to move on.
Edited at August 16, 2011 12:45 PM
August 16, 2011 12:48 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Wtf w mr b's "live nude women on the forum" headline? He really has lost his voice for the site and seems to be flailing. Sad.
Edited at August 16, 2011 12:48 PM
August 16, 2011 12:49 PM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: Oh, come on benson. Don't take it so seriously. It's all fun.

Besides, the Delete capability has been removed
August 16, 2011 12:50 PM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: it also seems the Edit function is gone as well. the only thing left is Reply and that one is pretty useless since it doesn't show what you are replying to

WTF????
Edited at August 16, 2011 12:50 PM
August 16, 2011 12:51 PM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: it also seems the Edit function is gone as well. the only thing left is Reply and that one is pretty useless since it doesn't show what you are replying to

WTF????
August 16, 2011 12:52 PM - BoerumHillScott
The same people who had the delete capability before still have it.

We did collectively agree to not be so quick to use it, but we have not come up with any real procedures or standards.
August 16, 2011 12:52 PM - Slopefarm
Hi, benson. I respect your views and I do not think and I don't think I said you blogacided over taking a matter personally. Someone else mentioned you and I commented in the context of commenting generally on OT political discourse that I thought it was difficult for you sometimes not to take comments more personally. It is only my opinion, and I would say that of a number of people, not just you (and I would not rpesume to exclude myself, either). All of that is to clarify what I meant, and to extend an olive branch for whatever purposes (an eventual return, a friendly greeting on the street, etc.). If staying off the OT is working for you, that's probably a good thing, and I may need advice someday on how you manage to do it (although here you are -- ;) ). All my best to you and Mrs. benson.
August 16, 2011 12:52 PM - brooklynheightsivyIII
The enforced two-party system of this country inevitably leads to unproductive, name-calling and unfortunate spats. I am not an absolutist. I identify as an independent simply because my country doesn't have a party that describes me. Absolutist philosophies always fail. Without admitting or realizing it, most Americans like a variety of government approaches that are, in fact, socialist(social security, for example). It is FINE to support policies that WORK, rather than view them as forbidden because of labels. In many ways I am libertarian, but if I were to follow that position to the letter I would disagree with many things. My biggest disagreement with government concerns limiting individual liberties--for all Americans, not only those with whom I agree.
August 16, 2011 12:53 PM - BoerumHillScott
You can also still edit your own posts, but you have to be logged in.

I agree reply is pretty useless as it is now implemented.
Hopefully a link to the post being replied to can be added at some point.
August 16, 2011 12:58 PM - Deleted
thanks for the pointers BHS - 15MBps it is!!
August 16, 2011 1:02 PM - More4Less
the quick trigger on the delete button is still there. although I aint pissed no more, I didn't forget getting zapped for that bullshit claim my post divulge personal info. Dont think 2 folks voted on it b4 the zap either.
August 16, 2011 1:02 PM - dibs
I keep getting logged out
Edited at August 16, 2011 1:02 PM
August 16, 2011 1:04 PM - BoerumHillScott
dibs, do you get logged out on all systems, or does it only happen on a particular one?

Does anyone else get logged out?

I have not been logged out since I put the site up, using 2 different browsers.
August 16, 2011 1:04 PM - More4Less
Anon, just make up some ID and pick an avatar already.

Slopey, need any help with the avatar?
Edited at August 16, 2011 1:04 PM
August 16, 2011 1:06 PM - Slopefarm
BHI -- it has not always been the case that the two-party winner-take-all election system we have produced the kind of divide we have now. It used to be that ideology was mroe fluid within each party, regional differences carried more weight, more cross-party alliances occurred, and there was a greater willingness on the part of leadership to bite the bullet and compromise when necessary. I could not imagine, for example, any GOP presidential hopeful today proposing anything so big and publicly funded as the interstate highway system (Eisenhower). Ideology was just less paramount then.
August 16, 2011 1:06 PM - Slopefarm
No, m4l, just need time to do it from home. Been too busy. Prolly September for the avatar.
Edited at August 16, 2011 1:06 PM
August 16, 2011 1:10 PM - dibs
Only here, not on my Mac which keeps me logged in even if I shut down
Edited at August 16, 2011 1:10 PM
August 16, 2011 1:15 PM - BoerumHillScott
Dibs, do you get logged off from other sites using that computer?

My initial guess is that there is some program/process that deletes cookies on a regular basis.

you can tell if you are logged off if you get the box asking you to enter your name when posting.
August 16, 2011 1:16 PM - BoerumHillScott
Site moderation is a tough issue, and I do not think there is a system in place anywhere that is close to perfect.

Our system is very far from perfect, considering that power is distributed in the hands of 11 people with no procedural or technological checks.

On the other hand, we have only had 2 post deleting decisions that seemed controversial, which I'd call a decent record all things considered.
August 16, 2011 1:22 PM - infinitejester
I'm going to John's of Bleecker street tonight. While perusing their website, I noticed the book 1000 PLaces to See Before You Die lists them as one of the 1000. I think not!
August 16, 2011 1:25 PM - dibs
No, no other sites.
August 16, 2011 1:32 PM - BoerumHillScott
Another idea on being logged out: do you switch between lifeinbkln.com and www.lifeinbkln.com?
If you are logged in via one url, you will not be logged in via the other.

Personally, I only use lifeinbkln.com, but I can see via the site statistics that both are used.
August 16, 2011 1:38 PM - dibs
No. I always login under www.lifeinbkln.com

I wouldn't worry about it. It's happened 3 x today but once was after I had to restart for something else anyway.
Edited at August 16, 2011 1:38 PM
August 16, 2011 1:40 PM - Slopefarm
Oh, and a belated tip of the hat to dibs for calling me "esteemed." I think that is more valuable professionally than being "recommended" on linkedin. Maybe we can get the marketing departmetn at SSCJ&L to use that to drum up cyberclients at curbed, gothamist, onlytheblog and fips, too, though I think that clientele would be even less reliable on bill payment than PLUSAs.
Edited at August 16, 2011 1:40 PM
August 16, 2011 1:41 PM - Arkady
Scott - I have Verizon DSL & landline & haven't had any problems.
WonTon - McCain chose Sarah Palin as a running mate: how does that give you more confidence in him than in Obama?
What I've lost greatest faith in is the Supreme Ct. They sold the country down the tubes in Bush/Gore & in the Campaign Contribution decision last year. One sees a lot of injustice in our legal system but I had a deep belief in the Supreme Ct. as a truly impartial Solon.
August 16, 2011 1:51 PM - dibs
I think I miss gifs more than Biffs
Edited at August 16, 2011 1:51 PM
August 16, 2011 1:53 PM - BoerumHillScott
The Supreme Court is a large reason why I will almost certainly vote for Obama next year.

While I am a political moderate in many ways, when it comes to many issues decided in the court I am very much to the left.
August 16, 2011 1:55 PM - Arkady
The gifs were slowing things down & causing technical problems. In addition, they seemed to activate firewalls at corporations. Many of us enjoyed them but let them go in the interests of smoother operations & larger community.
August 16, 2011 2:00 PM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: I am not a web person but is there a way to make a code option on the site so you could decide
to activate gifs or not?

That way somebody at work could deactivate the gifs option.
August 16, 2011 2:00 PM - dibs
BHS, sorry but the economy and jobs are more important at this stage and any Supreme Court appointments are going to have to take a back seat to that. Obama has to go. But I can understand why you would say that.
August 16, 2011 2:07 PM - DeadCatBounce
Benson, come back. The whole world lives by a double standard, niot just the OT!
August 16, 2011 2:09 PM - More4Less
Anon, we can discuss that AFTER you created ID and selected avatar
August 16, 2011 2:10 PM - BoerumHillScott
Long term, enabling gifs and other images for each user could be an option, but it is not a feature that is available now or easy to put in.
August 16, 2011 2:11 PM - minard lafever
what surprises me is that Obama is maintaining such large military forces in these endless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I thought he ran on a promise to bring the troops home? The longer the conflicts drag on the more bad news will be on the evening news and in the morning papers and on the all-day blogs. Time is running out for him to start making some "changes we can believe in". Right now, what looks most promising for him is that the Republicans are in dysfunction mode and none of the candidates inspire. I refuse to believe that the country is ready to elect another governor of Texas president.

August 16, 2011 2:15 PM - BoerumHillScott
If there was a Republican candidate that inspired me with lots of confidence on economic/budget issues, and was not too socially conservative, I would seriously consider voting for him.
In the current environment, I see any candidate who gets through the nomination process coming out too ideologically pure.

Past examples of such candidates include George HW Bush and Bob Dole.
August 16, 2011 2:19 PM - WonTon
Arkady, Obama chose Joe Biden as his VP candidate, a political hack if ever there was one. I don't pay attention to VP picks since the VP is an inconsequential player in the government 99 percent of the time. A President Joe Lieberman is just as repugnant to me as a President Sarah Palin.

In that sense, McCain's calculated choice of Palin doesn't seem like such bad judgement. He needed to toss the wacky right wing of his party a bone. Why not toss them one that most likely would end up having zero impact on his Presidency?


August 16, 2011 2:22 PM - Arkady
We can agree about Lieberman - but I don't think he was quite as odious before losing that campaign.
August 16, 2011 2:22 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: I see no reason why Bachman or perry would do a better job and their social views are so Byzantine that I could never vote for them. Im staying open to Romney but probably voting for Obama again. Unlike people like Dave I blame congress about 1000 billion times more than I do Obama. I'd like to have seen the troops come home butnthat Shit is easier said than done.

Dave! Would you vote for amdeal that had 10 to 1 spending cuts to tax increases? I'd not you are a MORON!
August 16, 2011 2:23 PM - WonTon
BHS, I think that candidates like Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman are marketing themselves to voters like yourself. Actually, Huntsman strikes me as an intelligent, rational and not-evil guy. Unfortunately the Republican party is so dysfunctional he will either have to ratchet up his wacko-conservative appeal, or risk oblivion.
Edited at August 16, 2011 2:23 PM
August 16, 2011 2:23 PM - boerumresident
DIBS -- sadly, I don't see how giving anyone in the GOP the White House is going to create jobs or do better for the economy than Obama. Maybe if there was a strong chance that the Dems would retake the House and hold on to the Senate that could make sense, but that's not likely.
August 16, 2011 2:24 PM - BoerumHillScott
I think most of the people who would automatically consider being governor of Texas a negative would not vote for any Republican.
Edited at August 16, 2011 2:24 PM
August 16, 2011 2:25 PM - boerumresident
Also, I agree with the others that Romney would have the best chance of bringing back independents who left the GOP in 2008 -- he's not a nut, and that goes a long way with independents.
Edited at August 16, 2011 2:25 PM
August 16, 2011 2:25 PM - minard lafever
Obama picked Biden for his foreign relations experience. it was regarded as a wise move at the time since Obama had very little if any foreign realtions savvy.
August 16, 2011 2:26 PM - WonTon
Memory lane for Arkady: Who was the most self-righteous, pompously moralistic whiner in the Senate after the Clinton-Lewinsky brouhaha?

I rest my case.

Gore's worst miscalculation was picking this guy to be on his ticket. In fact, I think that Lieberman, not Ralph Nader, and not the Supreme Court is the key reason why Gore lost.
August 16, 2011 2:27 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
i think im going to attempt to make turkey meatloaf tonight for dinner.

*rob*

August 16, 2011 2:28 PM - Slopefarm
a few thoughts -- minard, I think we are still there because, as Colin Powell once said, "you break it, you bought it." I imagine Obama grudgingly and unhappily realizes that we walk away at our peril. Much as I was opposed to the Iraq war, given that we were in, we had to go through with the surge. Similar principle here.

On Supreme Court, I have and continue to have tremendous respect for the institution and its role in our system. Interpreting the constitution is not a science and it is far more complex than calling "balls and strikes" as Roberts put it at his hearing. But I do think the current conservative majority of the court is tilting the playing field quickly and heavily. Dahlia Lithwick commented recently that some if its decisions offer corporations a playbook on how to avoid responsibility for things like discrimination, misrepresentations in securiteis public filings, etc.

As for Obama and the economy, dibs, we see the world differently. I wish ARRA had been better designed, both for effectiveness and for politics. But I really think the emerging trend on the GOP side is an approach to governance that would effectively disabled the Fed government from being able to respond effectively to anything. I think they are irresponsible. Not all of teh dissatisfaction with obama is to his right. Some of the dissatisfaction with Obama is that he won't stick to his guns more. Not that I would vote GOP, but I don't see anyone on the GOP side (save possibly Huntsman) who appears to bring a responsible approach to governance. Even Karl Rove is out there calling Perry un-presidential for calling QE "treasonous" yesterday.

August 16, 2011 2:29 PM - WonTon
Minard, Obama had little experience in anything, other than warming a Senate bench for two years, and teaching university law. Biden--like Cheney before him--was chosen to add gravitas to the a ticket headed by a political neophyte.
Edited at August 16, 2011 2:28 PM
August 16, 2011 2:30 PM - More4Less
past is the past. just serve me up a batch of good candidates to choose from
August 16, 2011 2:30 PM - minard lafever
Obama's performance has not been stellar and people feel he has not done anything to help most Americans. He has a chance of being re-elected anyway because the Republicans are likely to shoot themselves in the foot with a scary ticket like Perry/Bachman. You know at some point she will start railing about detention camps for Latinos and he will make Hawkish noises towards Iran. People will run!
August 16, 2011 2:30 PM - dibs
"DIBS -- sadly, I don't see how giving anyone in the GOP the White House is going to create jobs or do better for the economy than Obama."

Well we'll never know unless we try but it seems clear as day that Obama can't do anything, or won't, or doesn't seem to know what to try.

These statements about no one else could do a better job or Mccain wouldn't be doing a better job if he were here are trulym, TRULY MORONIC since you cannot know until it happens
August 16, 2011 2:31 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
oooh pickle and cheese turkey meatl0oaf

*rob*

August 16, 2011 2:33 PM - WonTon
I don't know if McCain would be doing a better job, but I'm absolutely sure that the Democrats would be doing a better job of theirs.
August 16, 2011 2:33 PM - dibs
"oooh pickle and cheese turkey meatl0oaf"

The "White trash" Special


Edited at August 16, 2011 2:33 PM
August 16, 2011 2:34 PM - dibs
"I don't know if McCain would be doing a better job, but I'm absolutely sure that the Democrats would be doing a better job of theirs."

Poor grammar. What are you trying to say????

.
August 16, 2011 2:36 PM - minard lafever
A lot of Hillary backers are saying "I told you so!".
Hillary would have us out of Iraq and halfway out of Afghst by now.
And she would have probably concentrated more on jobs than healthcare. But who knows?

August 16, 2011 2:37 PM - Slopefarm
Actually, and I hope I don't offend anyone with this, but i do think part of the reason Obama picked Biden was that he was a white guy with white hair and an experienced pol. It was a BIG threshold for us as a nation to cross to elect a black person as president. The atmospheric signaling was crucial. I don't say that critically or cynically -- it was a wise choice to help get the US comfortable with the idea of an Obama presidency. VP is always about ticket-balancing, and Obama addressed the biggest political imbalance. Obama also had to signal on the experience issue -- don't worry that my resume is thin, I will draw necessarily on the experience of others.
August 16, 2011 2:37 PM - wendybear1
I've gotten logged out a couple of times.
August 16, 2011 2:38 PM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: *rob* have it with au gratin potatoes and wine
Edited at August 16, 2011 2:38 PM
August 16, 2011 2:43 PM - Legion
Bottom line:
If we have no economy
all other issues go out the window.

It's like sitting on the Titanic and contemplating whether you want to take a seat on a life raft or get a better view at the stern.
Edited at August 16, 2011 2:43 PM
August 16, 2011 2:44 PM - Arkady
dibs - No one said McCain wouldn't be doing as well. WonTon opined that he'd probably be doing better. I happen to be glad he didn't have a chance to prove it. I also think most of the coming GOP ticket will be its own toxic pill - anything that smacks of tea bagger extremism will kill the larger slate. The impact will be worse than Nader's diluting the Democrats.
August 16, 2011 2:46 PM - Arkady
On a more stimulating topic, Prince, my frog who has been missing for about 16 months, has returned!! I always knew someday my prince would come (home).
August 16, 2011 2:48 PM - MontroseMorris
I think you have a point, Slopey. Biden also appealed to white ethnic middle class Joes who see him as one of them, something they will never see in Obama. It was a masterful ticket choice. Palin could have been a masterful ticket choice for McCain had she not been, well, Sara Palin.

From my layman's chair, way over here, I can see mistakes I think Obama has made, but I think the statement that it is "clear as day" that he can't do anything, won't do anything, and doesn't know what to do, is a bit much.
Edited at August 16, 2011 2:48 PM
August 16, 2011 2:51 PM - Legion
"DIBS -- sadly, I don't see how giving anyone in the GOP the White House is going to create jobs or do better for the economy than Obama"

Here's how BR:
-Repealing/defunding Obamacare and starting on the right footing instead.
-Stopping an agenda which has, as its core, a philosophy of redistribution.
-Placing an end to the uncertainty that clouds this administration and places a pall over our economy. It helps for our President to be honest in his core beliefs and I'm not being disrespectful here, only pointing out that Obama has said one thing and done another on a number of issues. At the very least he was not entirely direct in conveying his core conviction that he sees America as a basically flawed nation.
-Re-establishing the idea of individual accountability over collective culpability.
-Establishing reasonable monetary policy.
-Understanding that the engine of this great engine lies in the aspirations of the people and not the machinations of bureaucracy.
-Not penalizing those that produce.
August 16, 2011 2:51 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA arkady i just remembered i had a frog as a kid who escaped his tank and i thought for years he must have been still around the house somewhere. i think i got it from my biological father's mother who was known as the frog lady (she had lots of frogs) and everything in her apartment was frog themed. now i want a frog again!

*rob*

August 16, 2011 2:52 PM - WonTon
DIBS, I mean that if McCain were president, the Democrats would be acting as if they had a pair--they'd be behaving like an opposition party. Forgive my grammar lapse--your American language is still sounding strange to my Cantonese ear.
August 16, 2011 2:53 PM - Slopefarm
"your American language is still sounding strange to my Cantonese ear."

You can stop taunting dibs, WT, he's seen you already.
August 16, 2011 2:54 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Legion

Replace Obamacare with single payer and I am on board!
August 16, 2011 2:55 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
i think this country would be much better off if each state had their own president!!

*rob*

August 16, 2011 2:58 PM - minard lafever
One of Obama's other big problems is that the courts keep finding his healthcare law unconstitutional. That's not good. The pundits believe it will go to the supreme court and that is probably correct. That will be a make or break decision and I'm sure everyone in the White House is trying to push it off after the 2012.

August 16, 2011 3:02 PM - Legion
randi,
I'm not averse to a single payer system,
as long as it properly addresses the actual structural problems causing healthcare costs to explode. Unfortunately, those problems were never even on the drawing board. :o(

The Obamacare court decision is set for sometime next summer.
That's gonna be a blockbuster.
August 16, 2011 3:05 PM - BoerumHillScott
It's so much easier to blame all health care problems on insurance companies than it is to examine and fix the fundamental problems.
Edited at August 16, 2011 3:05 PM
August 16, 2011 3:08 PM - minard lafever
The federal government in general is a complete mess. If nations were like people, The US would be showing definite signs of alzheimers. We can't do anything any more. My poster child for the federal government dementia is Admiral's Row next to the Navy Yard. Do you realize how many years the Feds have been attempting to sell that parcel? It takes them twenty years and thirty million dollars to sell six acres of real estate.
It's mind-boggling.
August 16, 2011 3:09 PM - Slopefarm
last week in June, legion, if cert is granted for the coming term, and it's pretty much in Anthony Kennedy's hands.

minard -- more district court judges have upheld the law than found it unconstitutional and so far it is an even split at the circuit level.

As an actuarial and administrative matter, single payer is the way to go. No cherry picking or adverse selection problems. Fewer admin costs as the effort to deny coverage becomes moot. And yes, it has never really been on the table. I'd happily give in on med-mal in exchange for a single payer system and a reasonable no fault comp system. I suppose I have to turn in my bar membership now.



Edited at August 16, 2011 3:09 PM
August 16, 2011 3:13 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
what exactly is a single payer system?

*rob*

Edited at August 16, 2011 3:13 PM
August 16, 2011 3:14 PM - Legion
"I'd happily give in on med-mal in exchange for a single payer system and a reasonable no fault comp system"

slopefarm,
That sounds like a grand compromise!
Too bad our congress can't even compromise on what to serve in the congressional dining hall!
August 16, 2011 3:15 PM - lamb
hey losers. I try my best to stay out of the political debates because engaging is usually frustrating and futile, and I'm not about to try to change anyone's views left or right. I am dumbfounded by how people on both sides ascribe so much power to federal policy in the short run. there's no disputing that there are policy decisions that are pro-cyclical, relatively neutral or counter-cyclical to various magnitudes, but it's silly to assume that they have the potency to overwhelm business and credit cycles. mitigate, yes, exacerbate, yes, reverse course, no. the government is not entirely impotent and, in the long run, major policy shifts will have a larger impact. but we have a couple decades worth of structural issues to address that won't be worked out in a year or two. I think if everyone recognized that we could tone down the rhetoric and have more rational policy debates.
Edited at August 16, 2011 3:15 PM
August 16, 2011 3:16 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Minard, if admirals row is the best example you can come up with I think you have more issues than the govt.
August 16, 2011 3:16 PM - BoerumHillScott
Perry is now saying it would be treasonous if Bernanke tried to use Federal Reserve policy to stimulate the economy before the election.

This guy is quickly going into my "nut job" category.
August 16, 2011 3:17 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: And it's NIMBYs like you that make it so hard to sell land like admirals row.
Edited at August 16, 2011 3:17 PM
August 16, 2011 3:20 PM - MontroseMorris
Would someone please tell me, without partisan spin, what part of "Obamacare" HAS been implemented? Because from where I'm sitting, I don't see it. I don't see that anyone who didn't have insurance before has it now. I don't see any of the other features being enacted either, except some small changes in electronic paperwork. The bill may have passed but it was written with no teeth, or is being challenged. So please explain to me why the right is acting as if this is the worst law ever passed in the history of this country, and why repealing it is priority one on so many candidates' agendas. It's a straw dog, a Trojan horse, and every other metaphor for much ado about very little, for the reality of most people.
August 16, 2011 3:21 PM - WonTon
Minard, the courts keep finding Obamacare unconstitutional because it IS unconstitutional. Think about it. The scheme requires citizens BY LAW to pay money to a private, for-profit (rapacious, greedy) corporation, or pay a penalty administered by the IRS.

The plan deserves to die a quick death. We need Medicare for all, with optional private insurance supplements for those who want and can afford more.
August 16, 2011 3:31 PM - minard lafever
Randolph you're a jackass. Shut up. you're not adding to the discussion.

'

August 16, 2011 3:32 PM - Legion
MM,
This is the actual timeline for Obamacare provisions:
http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/timeline_chart4-8final.pdf

The provisions which have already started to impact us are those that impose mandates on insurance companies to cover children until age 26 and to expand the medicaid rolls.

The former has been responsible for the sharp increase in private medical insurance plan payments which many have experience here on the OT as well as increased requests for "waivers" from private companies struggling to meed insurance costs.
The latter is responsible for exploding budget crises in many states which now find themselves required by the federal government to provide health coverage for millions of individuals and the cost of establishing a new bureaucracy to administer those mandates.

Insurance regulations are beginning to take effect in terms of the phase out of "medicare advantage" plans. Seniors will in fact, not have as great a choice as they had before as the Advantage plans are being phased out.

Similarly, this year begins the back door deflation of HSA's which are the anti-obamacare alternative.

There is more to come. much more.

Edited at August 16, 2011 3:32 PM
August 16, 2011 3:32 PM - brooklynheightsivyIII
After serving two tours in Afghanistan right after college, I can assure you that those in charge have never been delusional enough to believe it is anything other than an expensive catastrophe that is hidden behind the facade of "the good war," (while actually serving as a misguided strategy in maintaining power in the most complicated region on earth). Graveyard of Empires, meet the United States.
Edited at August 16, 2011 3:32 PM
August 16, 2011 3:37 PM - dibs
Sorry, had to have my Bloomberg software relaunched.

I see randolph is back
August 16, 2011 3:37 PM - Deleted
sup losers?
Edited at August 16, 2011 3:37 PM
August 16, 2011 3:41 PM - dibs
sup, dh.

Did you finally find a place????
August 16, 2011 3:41 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
mandates on insurance companies to cover children until age 26

CHILDREN until the age of TWENTY SIX?! get the fuck out of here. that is absurd. no wonder people never grow the hell up anymore, there's no need to!


*rob*

August 16, 2011 3:44 PM - BoerumHillScott
Is there any analysis regarding how much of the rise in insurance costs lat year is due to new laws as opposed to "standard" health care inflation?
August 16, 2011 3:45 PM - Legion
haha,
That provision always gets *rob* pissed.
...but really, kids should be leaving the nest before age 26.
I wonder if the coverage includes pacifiers and breast feeding courses for "children" in their 20's.
Edited at August 16, 2011 3:45 PM
August 16, 2011 3:48 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
Is there any analysis regarding how much of the rise in insurance costs lat year is due to new laws as opposed to "standard" health care inflation?

ours went up so much we had to look for a different plan. but it's still more expensive and more will be taken out of checks. really annoying. people who work for a living having to support freeloaders. :-/ how is healthcare ANY different than everything else in the world?! why should anything in life be free? (granted i DO wish EVERYthing was free) but that's not how society is supposed to work! nothing is free in life, why do some people get free healthcare while others have to pay for it? boggles my mind.
and no one NEEDS to live past childbearing age btw.


*rob*

August 16, 2011 3:49 PM - Deleted
yeah dave - one stop further out on the L
Edited at August 16, 2011 3:49 PM
August 16, 2011 3:50 PM - Legion
BHS,
This is a partisan article,
but it gives solid data on cost analysis regarding the rise in insurance premiums.
They say the difference is approx. $2,100 per individual as compared to not implementing Obamacare.
August 16, 2011 3:52 PM - Legion
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=36651

sorry,
there's the article ^^^^^^
August 16, 2011 3:53 PM - denton
I think you would like Eggers in general, if not that book.
August 16, 2011 3:55 PM - denton
I went to look at Frette just now. I do OK but that's too rich for me. Besides you're sleeping most of the time.
Edited at August 16, 2011 3:55 PM
August 16, 2011 3:56 PM - More4Less
DH, Congrats man. there's a ton of joy in simply ending the long ass search
August 16, 2011 3:58 PM - BoerumHillScott
From what I gathered, it looks like an additional increase of $2,100 is projected on top of a previously predicted $13,100 increase from 2009 to 2016.

On the surface, it seems like the requirement to add children up to age 26 would not have a huge impact on premiums, since this age group is the healthiest.
Edited at August 16, 2011 3:58 PM
August 16, 2011 3:58 PM - Arkady
Up until 3 years ago when I qualified for Medicare, my private insurance (HMO) went up an average of 18% a year. My final year I was paying around $1200 a month & that was for not very good coverage.
August 16, 2011 4:00 PM - Legion
DH,
You said you would have input into the design choices,
what are you choosing?
August 16, 2011 4:03 PM - Legion
BHS,
Here's the insurance premium issue from the insurer's side:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703720004575478200948908976.html

...they say it's Obamacare.
August 16, 2011 4:03 PM - dibs
"DH, Congrats man. there's a ton of joy in simply ending the long ass search"

I've experienced a ton of joy in ass searches

.
August 16, 2011 4:04 PM - Deleted
legion - meeting with the landlord thurs. only thing i might request is french doors btw the living room and bedroom and to perhaps try to restore the tin ceilings in the kitchen rather than gutting.

i saw a unit he recently finished and he did very nice work. might also ask if he can get a stove with a microwave above (pay for difference)
August 16, 2011 4:05 PM - Legion
...realistically speaking,
the revenue to fund the mandates has to come from somewhere.
Of course much of it comes from the government printing presses (which has its own consequences)
but much was bound to come at the expense of the private sector or more directly : the middle class.
Edited at August 16, 2011 4:05 PM
August 16, 2011 4:05 PM - Arkady
dh - Think about an exhaust hood rather than a zapper over the cooktop.
August 16, 2011 4:05 PM - denton
MM, I agree with you on the race thing, but Bush got a lot of sh*t. Not only did everyone laugh at his speech and call him dumb as a post, they also claimed his history of alcohol abuse decades ago warped his brain. C'mon.
August 16, 2011 4:06 PM - Deleted
and if i purchase paint if his contractors can apply it rather than having to repaint after move-in
Edited at August 16, 2011 4:06 PM
August 16, 2011 4:06 PM - More4Less
DIBS, don't believe you would like a "long ass" though
August 16, 2011 4:07 PM - Arkady
denton - I still believe that.
August 16, 2011 4:08 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
i thought you wanted to move out of williamsburg what made you want to find a place in the same neighborhood

and re: health care. i know how to make it EXTREMELY affordable for everyone. get rid of all the nurses they are unnecessary. orderlies can do their jobs. hells most patients can do their jobs on themselves. why does a nurse get good money to do things like take blood pressure whereas someone can do that themself? most.useless.profession EVER!!! also getting rid of them would allow hospitals to have a friendly atmospher instead of the nightmarish meanie genie hell hole they are now.



*rob*

August 16, 2011 4:10 PM - Legion
nice DH,
french doors sound great!
The last person I rented from was a real witch.
She kept the thermostat at precisely 55 degrees overnight. I had to pee every 2 hours in the winter!

August 16, 2011 4:11 PM - Deleted
good point arkady - i'm gonna try to feel him out first and see how open to it he is. luckily the kitchen has two huge windows which always helps
August 16, 2011 4:11 PM - BoerumHillScott
My overall take on the healthcare plan as passed is that is a largely a shift of money from healthy people to unhealthy people.

Additional regulations and making more items "free" will certainly add additional inefficiencies to the system on top of that.

As I have said before, I consider the plan failure because it made no attempts to either cut costs or improve care.
August 16, 2011 4:11 PM - infinitejester
My ex-gf wants me to move in with her in PLG.
August 16, 2011 4:11 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Rob you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about re nurses. Please just keep it to ghetto meatloaf and gay smurf stuff.
August 16, 2011 4:12 PM - BoerumHillScott
I love my microwave over the stove, even if the included exhaust is not too great.
August 16, 2011 4:14 PM - Deleted
"i thought you wanted to move out of williamsburg what made you want to find a place in the same neighborhood"

I really just needed to get away from the williamsburg waterfront bedford L area. i'm back out where i was when i actually liked williamsburg.

after looking at dozens of grimy ass apartments in brownstone brooklyn with weird live-in landlords - i realized brooklyn is pretty much all the same (except "prime" williamsburg and park slope - which are sorta more annoying than the rest)
August 16, 2011 4:14 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
ive dealt with many nurses in my life randolph, and every single one of them have been downright mean and nasty bordering on abusive!!! i also find it vile when they wear their "scrubs" on the subway. gross


*rob*

Edited at August 16, 2011 4:14 PM
August 16, 2011 4:16 PM - Legion
BHS,
I agree, it's too large to be efficient in the end.

randi,
ha ha,
your posts have taken on a new dimension of urgency with the addition of the Charlie Sheen avatar. I always read them with his voice attached.
Edited at August 16, 2011 4:16 PM
August 16, 2011 4:18 PM - Legion
jester,
that's a big decision,
especially considering she's your "ex".
August 16, 2011 4:18 PM - More4Less
DH, now that you're a budding cook, active hood exhaust is the way to go. Landlord will like it that it keeps the place free of that cooking oil film the coats the kitchen cabs, wall tiles, etc over time. the Chinaman shops have good selection of those hoods (mostly japanese brands) for around $200. think install is like $100 or so
August 16, 2011 4:20 PM - dibs
Jester, and just how are you goiung to feel when she brings a guy home some night and he's banging the hell out of her in the other room??????



August 16, 2011 4:20 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Rob I have a friend who just spent 6 years in school to become a nurse and she is mot a mean person. Did you ever think you were such an obnoxious patient the nurses treated you like shit?

As for scrubs....yeah, don't wear Em on the subway.
August 16, 2011 4:20 PM - Deleted
yeah m4l - that would definitely be ideal. i'm gonna broach the subject of appliances and offer to pay the difference btw what he was planning on spending and what i would want. gotta be smart about it though - don't wanna start off on the wrong foot!!
August 16, 2011 4:21 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
agree dh. specifically in brownstones, id be chary of having the landlord living on the premises i know a lot of landlords are major snoops and thieves in this city and lots of them will gladly burn down their house (not even caring if youre inside sleeping) for the tax breaks and insurance money!!!!

*rob*

August 16, 2011 4:21 PM - infinitejester
I'm not going to do it; she likes clutter and I don't, among other reasons. Half my current rent is pretty tempting though.
August 16, 2011 4:22 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
youre going to ask for different appliances? ugh now you sound like stereotypical worlds worst tenants (white women between the ages of 24 and 35) demand demand demand is all they do.


*rob*

August 16, 2011 4:22 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Burn down their house for insurance money? What universe do you live in?
August 16, 2011 4:23 PM - Slopefarm
For the record, dh did not look at the apartment in my house and I am not -- I repeat, not -- a "weird, live-in landlord."
August 16, 2011 4:24 PM - infinitejester
I hope she does, I think I like being single.
August 16, 2011 4:24 PM - denton
"Suck it well Montrose..."

What, one of the funniest posts ever on Brownstone was when you told her that and she said she doesn't like cocktail sausage!
Edited at August 16, 2011 4:24 PM
August 16, 2011 4:25 PM - dibs
rob, your are sounding incredibly STUPID today.
August 16, 2011 4:26 PM - Deleted
"youre going to ask for different appliances? ugh now you sound like stereotypical worlds worst tenants (white women between the ages of 24 and 35) demand demand demand is all they do."

there's no appliances in it now - it's totally gutted. i'm offering to add value to the place once i move out.
August 16, 2011 4:27 PM - dibs
dh, don't even respond to him today.


August 16, 2011 4:28 PM - infinitejester
Sounds like the kind fo place you'll want to stay in for a long while, dh.
August 16, 2011 4:29 PM - Arkady
rob - We've had the nurse discussion before. They can be absolutely wonderful & life saving, never mind just care-enhancing. They do a wide range of tasks & usually do them cheerfully & well in my quite vast experience. I've had one or two rotten ones but that's a low percentage out of a couple of hundred.
August 16, 2011 4:30 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Dave please answer my 10 to 1 question!

??
Edited at August 16, 2011 4:30 PM
August 16, 2011 4:30 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: ???
August 16, 2011 4:31 PM - dibs
What 10-1 question??? Make it fast, I'm about to leave
August 16, 2011 4:31 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: ?
Edited at August 16, 2011 4:31 PM
August 16, 2011 4:32 PM - Deleted
yeah, hopefully jester
August 16, 2011 4:33 PM - Slopefarm
Looks like randi is trying to box with dibs.
Edited at August 16, 2011 4:33 PM
August 16, 2011 4:33 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: The question that was asked of all the dpuchebags at the republican debate- would you vote for a defect reduction plan that had $10 in cuts to every $1 in revenue increases?

(hint- they all said the same thing)
August 16, 2011 4:36 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
well then i must elicit something evil in nurses i guess. dave what's your problem today, on the manrag? i didnt know dh was moving into a gutted apartment jeez. i thought he was just being picky.

*rob*

August 16, 2011 4:36 PM - infinitejester
My intern just gave me a piece of gum. Curious, I went to TridentGum.com. Holy shit there's a lot of flavors of gum out there.
August 16, 2011 4:36 PM - dibs
It's a stupid question.
August 16, 2011 4:38 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
there's no such thing as a stupid question!

*rob*

August 16, 2011 4:38 PM - More4Less
DH, you're right about getting his detail renov plans before disclosing your willingness to fund some upgrades. speaking of upgrades, deep as big sink & goose neck faucet if there aint no dishwasher.
August 16, 2011 4:39 PM - Not_Logged_In
Randolph: Spoken like a true rethug. Thanks for that Dave. My work is done here.

They all said NO.
August 16, 2011 4:45 PM - petebklyn
anybody wearing scrubs is a nurse to him. no matter whether the person is a doctor, nurses aide, orderly,child care worker or works in a vet's office. He can't tell the difference so lumps all together.
August 16, 2011 4:47 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
well whatever is they do they shouldnt be wearing scrubs on the subway. that's a biohazard, whether they are coming home from work or going to it. that would be like a prostitute rubbing her privates on the poles after a night of tricks!



*rob*

August 16, 2011 4:53 PM - Deleted
yeah m4l - rob's sorta right though - i don't want to come across as super high maintenance demanding tenant requesting too much.

kitchen is typical williamsburg railroad size - huge with plenty of counter space - so not having a dishwasher won't be that big of a deal if there's plenty of space for dish drainer. he's already agreed to blow out the walls between the two internal railroad rooms to make a bigger living space - so that's definitely a big plus.
Edited at August 16, 2011 4:53 PM
August 16, 2011 4:56 PM - Biff Champion
"anybody wearing scrubs is a nurse to him. no matter whether the person is a doctor, nurses aide, orderly,child care worker or works in a vet's office."

What about Doctor Fink in Prince's band The Revolution?
Edited at August 16, 2011 4:56 PM
August 16, 2011 5:00 PM - More4Less
DH, it's a feeling out vs out right demanding - that the art of negotiating without being blunt & disrespectful (something those youngin's Rob is referencing too does not yet possess). these changes, especially if you willing to fund the diff, add value to the landlord's pad and it'll be like you giving him good design advice for free - ie it win win and more win for him.
August 16, 2011 5:00 PM - Deleted
anyone know where i could get an old picnic table?
Edited at August 16, 2011 5:00 PM
August 16, 2011 5:01 PM - Deleted
fo sho m4l - he's a polish guy and i've tried negotiating with them before and have been fairly successful. just gotta play it by ear.
August 16, 2011 5:02 PM - Deleted
how awesome would something like this be in a kitchen?

http://beachyinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/09/decorating-lets-go-on-picnic.html


August 16, 2011 5:04 PM - BoerumHillScott
I could see lots of injuries trying to get up from the table when drunk.
Edited at August 16, 2011 5:04 PM
August 16, 2011 5:05 PM - Deleted
hard to imagine i'd be any drunker than i typically am sitting at picnic tables at roberta's - it is hard to negotiate tho.
August 16, 2011 5:05 PM - More4Less
damn, Scott beat me to it. DH, I foresee a ton of bloodied shins and knees for you my man
August 16, 2011 5:07 PM - Slopefarm
Re GSH @ 4:47:
As Laura Petrie used to say, "Oh, Rob!"
August 16, 2011 5:09 PM - Deleted
why are application processes at the big banks so long? have to do some online math skills test tonight. this is the 6th weird test they've made me do.
August 16, 2011 5:11 PM - Arkady
dh - When I was starting out I used saw horses w/ a sheet of ply on top: painted it for day-to-day use but covered it w/ cloths to get really gussied up for guests. Ply is heavy so not subject to drunken tipping over.
August 16, 2011 5:13 PM - rf
Benson is waiting for an apology,
Edited at August 16, 2011 5:13 PM
August 16, 2011 5:16 PM - Deleted
good idea arkady! and pretty inexpensive too.

it's pretty asinine what places out there are charging for very simple, not very well made dining tables.
Edited at August 16, 2011 5:16 PM
August 16, 2011 5:17 PM - rf
Young adults up to age 26 can now be kept on their parents' insurance, and pre-existing conditions can't be used to deny coverage to children. Those are the Obamacare provisions that are now in force as far as I know.
August 16, 2011 5:17 PM - More4Less
DH, silver lining is they could've told your ass that you're already out of contention / consideration
August 16, 2011 5:18 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
hmm i was gonna hate on the idea but it looks fun. you have to worry about termites in your kitchen tho no? the picnic table in that picture you posted looks to be infested with termites or once was. also if it's a used picnic table you to realize people have probably had sex on it. do you really wanna be eating off of something like that?




*rob*

August 16, 2011 5:18 PM - Deleted
true m4l - and good thing i started detoxing Aug 1st
August 16, 2011 5:19 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
cant you just steal a table from the flea?

*rob*

August 16, 2011 5:20 PM - Deleted
true rob - i'd have to be careful

i like the idea of a picnic table bc if peeps are just chillin you can sit on the top and rest your feet on the seat.
August 16, 2011 5:21 PM - More4Less
DH, you have to right to bitch, booze, etc. if all this shit doesn't land you the gig.
August 16, 2011 5:21 PM - Deleted
you mean the 4,000 dollar picnic tables made from reclaimed wood from a frame house in the navy yard?
August 16, 2011 5:22 PM - Arkady
Waiting for rob to explode about rear ends on dining surfaces in 10, 9, 8...
August 16, 2011 5:22 PM - BoerumHillScott
I'll apologize to Benson, M4L, and anyone else for not pushing harder for better procedures for deleting posts.
On the other hand, I really don't have the energy/willpower to push for a better system at this time.

My personal feeling is that Benson's post should not have been deleted.


Edited at August 16, 2011 5:22 PM
August 16, 2011 5:23 PM - Deleted
lmao arkady
August 16, 2011 5:23 PM - Arkady
If we had had the 3-person vote in place there would've been at least 3 votes for taking that post off. More than 3 people were deeply offended by it. QED.
August 16, 2011 5:24 PM - Deleted
benson is mad again? someone get the man a manhattan
August 16, 2011 5:25 PM - BoerumHillScott
Arkady, you are probably right.

As I've said before, on the challenges of a site like this is that everyone has a slightly different vision of what should be allowed, and there is no way to make everyone 100% happy about how things are done.
August 16, 2011 5:30 PM - More4Less
DH, not sure if Manhattan would suffice. think this time it would take that duderino drink your buddy makes
August 16, 2011 5:32 PM - Arkady
I think he said that an apology wasn't sufficient & that the only thing he'd accept was the re-posting of it in its entirety. See my 5:23.
Edited at August 16, 2011 5:32 PM
August 16, 2011 5:33 PM - Deleted
mmmm duderino sounds good - think i might get one after work!
Edited at August 16, 2011 5:33 PM
August 16, 2011 5:34 PM - Deleted
damn - what happened?
August 16, 2011 5:34 PM - More4Less
Scott, I aint blaming you for that delete. I was gunning for higher threshold by the folks to (1) whine/pander and (2) to act on that whine/pander. that was an example of the biggest whiner got the grease - not acceptable to me
August 16, 2011 5:39 PM - BoerumHillScott
A week or two ago, Benson made an (in my opinion) lame joke about Obama that mentioned his race.
Some people considered the joke to be racist, and it was deleted.

August 16, 2011 5:47 PM - Deleted
gotcha scott


August 16, 2011 5:50 PM - wendybear1
Wow. I got big news about my job today. I'm now really looking forward to going back to work! I get to work with the little kiddies again! It's been nearly ten years since I've taught really small ones.
Edited at August 16, 2011 5:50 PM
August 16, 2011 5:51 PM - Arkady
Great that something nice happened for you, Wendy.
August 16, 2011 6:02 PM - cobblehiller
benson's "joke" included race as a factor in it. It was pretty inappropriate and offensive. It was deleted, correctly.

"Perry is now saying it would be treasonous if Bernanke tried to use Federal Reserve policy to stimulate the economy before the election.
This guy is quickly going into my "nut job" category."

Perry and Bachmann will hang themselves. It's only a matter of time. I just finished reading the New Yorker mag article on Bachmann. She's pretty scary in that she's been mentored by some VERY serious right wing religious fruitcakes. I'm just biding time waiting for her to be forced to answer some questions she does NOT want to discuss, and has already been asked but evaded answering.


Edited at August 16, 2011 6:02 PM
August 16, 2011 6:12 PM - rf
Sorry for my very late posts. I just read from 11:30 a.m. to the present--back from another long day in the car.
Edited at August 16, 2011 6:12 PM
August 16, 2011 6:12 PM - rf
Wendy, that sounds like fun! Glad you are happy about it.
August 16, 2011 6:14 PM - dibs
Whatever randi.

Be more specific or STFU.

On the surface, the answer is no but since there was no detail in the question, you get no detail as to why the answer is no.

Don't be so obtuse.
August 16, 2011 6:15 PM - dibs
She already evaded the "submissive to husband" question, Cobble.
August 16, 2011 6:18 PM - cobblehiller
"She already evaded the "submissive to husband" question, Cobble."

Ooh, I missed that one, DIBS! Dammit!
August 16, 2011 6:20 PM - dibs
The reason that a lot of really right wing Republicans are so visible is because they appeal to a decent size sector of the country, like it or not. All of us should just be thankful that the far left rightly appeals to practically no one...the Socialists and Communists and worse.
Edited at August 16, 2011 6:20 PM
August 16, 2011 6:22 PM - cobblehiller
What happened to the CENTER? I think MOST people do NOT want either extreme.
Edited at August 16, 2011 6:22 PM
August 16, 2011 6:23 PM - cobblehiller
DIBS, You're not saying you like Bachmann or Perry, are you???
August 16, 2011 6:24 PM - Legion
Still not getting why the "religious" aspect of Republican candidates takes primacy over all other concerns when it comes to elections.

Every single President from day one has purported some form of religious belief and yet now certain sectors of our society seem to feel that there is somehow more urgency in the matter in this day and age.

Let's take it to the ridiculous extreme and say Obama turns out to actually be secretly Muslim as the extreme Right wing believes. Does that idea suddenly give him more power to implement his wishes on this nation?
Apparently not since he's having a damned hard time doing much as a Christian President.

My point here is to say that the whole "religion" issue is a sort of straw man when it comes to the President. Supreme court candidates still have to get through congressional approval. Laws still have to go through bipartisan committees and the Senate. The people still have to voice their approval or disapproval of a given agenda. The media still has to weigh in as do untold number of pundits Left and Right.
Not to mention, you still have the issue of convincing 310 million Americans, several million of which are armed, to go along with the program.

Does an Evangelical Christian have much sway with Catholics? or Jews? or Muslims? or Atheists?
Would a Mormon elected President, suddenly deploy a secret army of white shirted, black tied mormons to "reprogram" the population?
They wouldn't make it past Provo.

No.
Ridiculous. They would meet the same type of opposing forces that the current President is meeting in his attempt to re-shape the nation wholesale.
The next President, even if it is Obama, will have to be skilled enough to walk the middle ground of pragmatism and prudence.
If it happens to be a religious woman, well we can all be sure that fully half the nation will be scrutinizing her every move and reporting on it daily.

It's the economy, stupid.

Edited at August 16, 2011 6:24 PM
August 16, 2011 6:26 PM - cobblehiller
Not to the extreme that Bachmann and some of these others seem to place religion as of primary importance in their decision making.
Edited at August 16, 2011 6:26 PM
August 16, 2011 6:27 PM - cobblehiller
I just bought a Tom Cat bakery baguette — $2.00 and totally worth it. Yummy!
August 16, 2011 6:30 PM - dibs
Well said, Legion.

I like the pics of Bachmann with the crazy eyes. You can know a lot about people by looking at their eyes.
August 16, 2011 6:33 PM - dibs
Perry is becoming a bit of a loose cannon. Huntsman is far more level headed.

Given his bravado and "swagger" that he portrays, bet he's the BOTTOM in any gay relationship!!!!!!!
August 16, 2011 6:35 PM - cobblehiller
legion, Can ever post in 40 words or less?

I don't think it's a straw man when it comes to Bachmann, if you read up on her background and what she says, it's clear she wants to change not only policy but laws according to her beliefs.
August 16, 2011 6:35 PM - Legion
thanks dibs,
The Newsweek picture does a good job of making her look crazed by having her look into the lens above and into a harsh light.
I have an old book on Hollywood photo portraits.
The book describes how to light and position the subject for the best photographs. I picked it up at a garage sale and it's very interesting.
Bachmann's photo basically does the opposite of everything they say in the book.
When I heard that Tina Brown was the editor of Newsweek, it didn't surprise me. It was a political hit piece from the get go.
I do wonder however about Bachmann's judgement in not getting veto power over the photos after the Palin incident in the same magazine.
Edited at August 16, 2011 6:35 PM
August 16, 2011 6:37 PM - dibs
Stupid ass Bachmann got it all wrong today. She thought it was Elvis' birthday and not the anniversary of his death.
August 16, 2011 6:37 PM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: i love grocery shopping the few days after getting paid. i feel like such an adult! no dragging in satchels of nickels and dimes. i cant wait to cook my white trash meatloaf later!!! ground turkey with BBQ sauce and italian dressing and chedder cheese. now i wish i picked up a baguette too tho.

*rob*



August 16, 2011 6:38 PM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: dibs, i just heard her screaming something about elvis from my living room JUST now hahahah (from the tv in there)


*rob*

August 16, 2011 6:39 PM - cobblehiller
"Stupid ass Bachmann got it all wrong today. She thought it was Elvis' birthday and not the anniversary of his death."

Just like her dumbass John Wayne/John Wayne Gacy 'confusion'. La di da! I love these! Chip chip chipping away! She's going down. It's going to be a joy to watch.
Edited at August 16, 2011 6:39 PM
August 16, 2011 6:40 PM - Legion
cobble,
If the economy is running well,
which would be the next President's primary mission,
I don't think it would be easy for a leader to offer up a religious agenda.

August 16, 2011 6:40 PM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: i read somewhere today that bachmann called gays the spawn of satan or something :-/ while i partially agree, that's still annoying to hear. she sounds like a freak from the little bit ive seen and heard about her. who is this woman btw? she seems to have come out of no where


*rob*

August 16, 2011 6:40 PM - dibs
Cobble, a President can't change the laws.
August 16, 2011 6:40 PM - rf
rf
August 16, 2011 6:41 PM - minard lafever
perry and bachman definitely belong to the fruitacke wing of the republican party. I said it before, Americans, even republicans, are not ready to vote in another former governor of Texas to be president, fair or unfair.
The matter of religion is very important, why I don't know, but a president must have a socially acceptable religious affiliation, the definition of socially acceptable is fluid, and he also has to be pretty tall, and at least passably photogenic, not too good looking, like Kerry, who looked like he was sent out from central casting.
In other words, a lot of extraneous stuff goes into winning elections. Oh, and did I mention hair? gotta have good hair.

Edited at August 16, 2011 6:41 PM
August 16, 2011 6:45 PM - dibs
And then there was Nixon, Minard!!!!!
August 16, 2011 6:46 PM - Legion
I think we need a President with a beard.
Christie should grow a beard and crash some of those caucus parties.
He should just drive up in a dark sedan with some body guards,
pick up some finger foods and start dropping some common sense on the press while pointing at them with a chicken wing or something.

...that would be pretty cool.
August 16, 2011 6:48 PM - minard lafever
nixon lost to kennedy because kennedy had great hair, and so did his wife.


August 16, 2011 6:50 PM - dibs
No beardos, Legion.
August 16, 2011 6:50 PM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: kennedy had howdy doody hair!

*rob*

August 16, 2011 6:51 PM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: wasnt lincoln a beardo? i can forgive lincoln for that one minor flaw. he was an aquarius and he was gay!

*rob*

August 16, 2011 6:52 PM - minard lafever
if Christie lost 80 lbs, he would be the next president. That may be his plan. staying fat until..Bam! he finds organic brocoli or something. people will love it. He's Protestant, has good hair, and a very presentable family.


August 16, 2011 6:52 PM - dibs
George DeVole died. He invented the first robotic arm.
Edited at August 16, 2011 6:52 PM
August 16, 2011 6:53 PM - cobblehiller
"Cobble, a President can't change the laws."

No! Really! Wow, DIBS. Thanks for 'schooling' me, jackass! : P
Edited at August 16, 2011 6:53 PM
August 16, 2011 6:54 PM - dibs
I think Christie's wife is a chubby chaser and she'd fall out of love with him if he lost the weight.
Edited at August 16, 2011 6:53 PM
August 16, 2011 6:55 PM - Legion
lol,

goodnight everyone.
August 16, 2011 6:56 PM - dibs
Here's what you wrote, Cobble:

" don't think it's a straw man when it comes to Bachmann, if you read up on her background and what she says, it's clear she wants to change not only policy but laws according to her beliefs."

That statement would indicate, no evidence to the contrary, that you believed it was a possibility.

Moron
August 16, 2011 6:56 PM - dibs
Legion, what is that adorable animal????
August 16, 2011 6:58 PM - cobblehiller
DIBS, don't parse words with me. You know what I'm saying. She wants to influence laws/judges/congress/whatever, and she can appoint people to positions, etc. ad nauseum to promote her religious agenda.
Edited at August 16, 2011 6:58 PM
August 16, 2011 7:00 PM - minard lafever
bachman would make gay to straight therapy covered under Obamacare.

Edited at August 16, 2011 7:00 PM
August 16, 2011 7:00 PM - rf
Christie is Catholic.
Edited at August 16, 2011 7:00 PM
August 16, 2011 7:02 PM - minard lafever
Christie is Catholic.

Is he really? oh, oh.
then he better lose 100 lbs.

August 16, 2011 7:05 PM - minard lafever
Huckabee lost about 120 lbs.
Kerry needed to lose 150 lbs -his wife! Boy was she a bad sound byte. Remember when she said she was African American? I mean technically it was true, but politically it was STUPID.

Edited at August 16, 2011 7:05 PM
August 16, 2011 7:08 PM - cobblehiller
Yes, Christie is Catholic, and sends his kids to a Catholic School.
Edited at August 16, 2011 7:08 PM
August 16, 2011 7:18 PM - minard lafever
I wonder if it worse to be Catholic or Mormon?
The Catholics at least have hospitals and orphanages and schools and such. The Mormons are a little creepy.
The only thing about Mormonism that I find not creepy is polygamy and they had to give that up because it was illegal somehow.

August 16, 2011 7:18 PM - MontroseMorris
I'm back. Legion, I basically agree with you, re: religion, except for one thing. Most Fundamentalists of any sort are not capable of live and let live. Their brand of whatever kind of religion tells them that their way is not only the ONLY way to live, or to salvation, but strongly tells them that it is their duty to make sure that everyone, whether they believe the same or not, has to abide by their rules. That's why you get such rot as statements saying the Constitution only applies to Christians, or that any Muslim in American office is going to try to institute Sharia law in this country. It's ignorant stupidity, and that's why someone's religion is important in today's elections.

Personally, I have no problem with anyone having religious beliefs, I have them myself. I don't think it's appropriate to spew them over the airways and on the campaign trail. I don't have a problem with a leader seeking help from the Divine PRIVATELY, when he/she is making the big decisions. It's totally inappropriate to show him/her rasslin' with God in public.
Edited at August 16, 2011 7:18 PM
August 16, 2011 7:21 PM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: "Happy Birthday Elvis" now that is priceless!!!
August 16, 2011 7:22 PM - dibs
Minard, remember we've already had one Catholic president.
August 16, 2011 7:25 PM - dibs
Christie vehemently supported his Muslim pick to a state judgeship against all the nutjobs
August 16, 2011 7:29 PM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: quote:
I don't think it's appropriate to spew them over the airways and on the campaign trail. I don't have a problem with a leader seeking help from the Divine PRIVATELY, when he/she is making the big decisions. It's totally inappropriate to show him/her rasslin' with God in public.

total agreeance.

and today was madonna's birthday, no elvis's.

*rob*

August 16, 2011 7:36 PM - minard lafever
dibs, yes, we had a Catholic, war-hero, son of US ambassador to Britain, Democrat, president. Christie is a Republican and republicans are less, um, friendly to people of the non-Protestant persuasion. The first thing that the bachman fruitcake wing of the party will hurl at a Catholic running for president is that he will coddle heinous illegal aliens, intent on polluting our bloodlines, from the Catholic countries south of Texas.

August 16, 2011 7:47 PM - BoerumHillScott
My family is Catholic, and all of the ones who still practice have turned Republican.

Traditional Mormon polygamy could very creepy for the women who were forced into it at an early age.
Edited at August 16, 2011 7:47 PM
August 16, 2011 7:54 PM - InsertSnappyNameHere
politics, religion, polygamy. only the last one is interesting :-)
Edited at August 16, 2011 7:54 PM
August 16, 2011 7:55 PM - rf
Mainstream Mormons haven't supported polygamy in generations. But apparently there are many who would not vote for a Mormon:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-08/a-third-of-voters-have-qualms-about-mormon-president-poll-says.html
August 16, 2011 8:03 PM - minard lafever
scott, I don't think anyone holds a gun to the women in polygamous families. Don't you watch "Big Love'? I mean get with it!
Actually that system is really hard on the boys and young men who the elders want outta the way.
But putting serious matters aside, I bid you all good night with a modest offering from my collection of snapshots taken here and there in Brooklyn.


Edited at August 16, 2011 8:03 PM
August 16, 2011 8:05 PM - BoerumHillScott
Some people still blame the Catholic church for the Inquisition, so I guess it's not too surprising that Mormons are still associated with polygamy. The fact that offshoot sects still practice it does not help the reputation.

Personally, I have no issues with just about any relationship structure, as long as it is consensual.
August 16, 2011 8:13 PM - Arkady
It can't be 'consensual' if the children have been brought up as subservient to the all-powerful males & have been taught to extinquish all sense of autonomy.
August 16, 2011 8:21 PM - Not_Logged_In
Anonymous: a meatloaf is in the oven, im so excited!

*rob*

Edited at August 16, 2011 8:21 PM
August 16, 2011 8:35 PM - cobblehiller
"It can't be 'consensual' if the children have been brought up as subservient to the all-powerful males & have been taught to extinquish all sense of autonomy."

And are then forced to marry whomever is selected for them at 15 or whatever age it is that such things occur. And are kept secluded from social services, which are considered 'outsiders' if they have a problem. It's not all "Big Love" out there.
Edited at August 16, 2011 8:35 PM
August 16, 2011 8:43 PM - Arkady
12 or 13, CHiller.
August 16, 2011 10:31 PM - Deleted
why are all republicans the same?

batshit crazy bug-eyed females
weirdo mormons
cowboy texas governors

guarantee one of the others is a closeted homosexual pedophile. just playin the odds.
Edited at August 16, 2011 10:31 PM
August 16, 2011 10:31 PM - Deleted
why does ron paul get no respect?
Edited at August 16, 2011 10:31 PM
August 16, 2011 10:43 PM - cobblehiller
"why does ron paul get no respect?"

Read up on him, you'll figure it out, DH.
Edited at August 16, 2011 10:43 PM
August 18, 2011 10:25 PM - gay smurf hoodlum
quote:
And are then forced to marry whomever is selected for them at 15 or whatever age it is that such things occur. And are kept secluded from social services, which are considered 'outsiders' if they have a problem. It's not all "Big Love" out there.

meh. the same shit happens in a TON of other cultures, but it's given a pass cuz "it's their cultures and customs" even in within this country as well. who cares. they are all fucking freaks. no one represents me in government, NO ONE. the day people stop voting en masse is that day i will fully finally feel like an american.

people who really DO love their country, hells people who love their PLANET, dont vote. voting is for sheep.


*rob*

Edited at August 18, 2011 10:25 PM